This is true, unfortunately the site doesn't tell you anywhere that the support forum is the only one that you can post to, until you have an account balance (c-points/zen).
Of course there is, because despite all the whining, the KDF is actually fine as it is. Sure, it could be better, but Klingon gameplay alone already is an awesome game experience.
On this we disagree.
The KDf has no real PvE missions that explain the setting for the KDF / fed hostilities thus leaving the old and new player out in the cold on the why we are fighting. This is one of the reasons in both factions why the war makes no sense. Or why two powers fighting each other up through the ranks is suddenly working together to fight the Borg at endgame.
One could read the Path to 2409 to find out but honestly the game should have the missions that explain the storyline to the player.
The KDF has no real PvE missions that explain the Undine hunt and how the it is part of the KDF/fed conflict issue thus leaving the old and new player wondering why the Undine are even an issue?
One could read the Path to 2409 to find out but honestly the game should have the missions that explain the storyline to the player.
The KDF has no PvE missions explaining why the Orions, Gorn and Nausicians are now a part of the Empire.
One could read the Path to 2409 to find out but honestly the game should have the missions that explain the storyline to the player.
The KDF has no real PvE missions explaining the RSE hostilities and how its cuased by the KDF retaking of old systems they once held.
One could read the Path to 2409 to find out but honestly the game should have the missions that explain the storyline to the player.
One can basically follow the Path to 2409 backstory to STO and literally just pick the areas that the KDF doesn't have ingame PvE content to match.
The KDf is playable ingame for both fan and new player alike, but its hardly fine as it is and lacks in many areas besides just PvE content.
Your memory is faulty. There has always been a subset of the forums where you could post as a new player; what that subset is has varied, and I'm leaving out periods where there may have been bugs. This was true even when posting to the rest of the forums required a subscription fee.
A person can only remember things they actually know. If he did not know there were only specific boards he could post on, then there is no way he can remember it. Therefore his memory is not faulty.
This is true, unfortunately the site doesn't tell you anywhere that the support forum is the only one that you can post to, until you have an account balance (c-points/zen).
And historically, people have always been willing to slap a few points into an account to get an advantage. Since you can get Zen for free, it's not an impediment; you could perl script the entire process of generating a fake email account, using it to create a new PWE account, grabbing some free Zen, and transferring it into STO. It's trivial for anybody who's ever, say, scripted a frontend to VeriSign certificate orders, and it'd run in seconds.
This is going to be true of ANY system that doesn't require a non-trivial financial expenditure to post.
However, it is possible to detect that kind of account activity. It's easy with the Mark 1 Mod 0 Eyeball on logfiles, usually.
Former moderator of these forums. Lifetime sub since before launch. Been here since before public betas. Foundry author of "Franklin Drake Must Die".
Give them their own content, but make them redsiders, with full access to our content (share content), but their own 1-10, and finally when making the KDF's 1-20 separate out our own 1-10.
When Queuing for missions & STF, group KDF and Rom together. Allow limited ship sharing, as per the above link - the Klingons had exchanged D7s for cloaking technology. I believe there is one other example of this as well, I seem to recall a mentioning of "Romulan Design" in an early BoP entry? It isn't too hokey - precedence is set both in TOS and in TNG (Warf mentions the Romulan attack happening when they were supposed to be their allies). Add the current Undine threat as a reason for the Alliance, as the UFP missions clearly outlining an Undine infiltration into the Romulan Empire as a direct result of Federation player's actions, and really as a result of the Federation being too soft on researching their own infiltration.
In order to pull it off, a mission series will be necessary and they will have to push the clock forward both through in-game content and new entries to the Path to 2409 (making it 2413?) Minor changes to specific KDF mission text will be needed to link Romulan meddling more clearly to Hakeev and the Tal Shiar's Iconian influenced rogue activities (as outlined in Series 3: Cloaked Intentions)
That said, Stahl has already hinted (in the Raptr Q&A, I believe) he is considering making the Romulans a low-level-only faction, with their own content at first before each player must decide on a faction to join.
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Well, it's good to see my thread growing this big. Plenty of nice discussion and ideas. . .but as thread OP, I would like to suggest that people start their own threads if they're gonna argue and get into a pissing match about Romulan canon and 'who's the better Romulan'. It doesn't add anything to the thread and just results in flaming and eventual thread removal. Please stick with constructive ideas about possible in-game playable content, that's what I made the thread for.
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Give them their own content, but make them redsiders, with full access to our content (share content), but their own 1-10, and finally when making the KDF's 1-20 separate out our own 1-10.
When Queuing for missions & STF, group KDF and Rom together. Allow limited ship sharing, as per the above link - the Klingons had exchanged D7s for cloaking technology. I believe there is one other example of this as well, I seem to recall a mentioning of "Romulan Design" in an early BoP entry? It isn't too hokey - precedence is set both in TOS and in TNG (Warf mentions the Romulan attack happening when they were supposed to be their allies). Add the current Undine threat as a reason for the Alliance, as the UFP missions clearly outlining an Undine infiltration into the Romulan Empire as a direct result of Federation player's actions, and really as a result of the Federation being too soft on researching their own infiltration.
In order to pull it off, a mission series will be necessary and they will have to push the clock forward both through in-game content and new entries to the Path to 2409 (making it 2413?) Minor changes to specific KDF mission text will be needed to link Romulan meddling more clearly to Hakeev and the Tal Shiar's Iconian influenced rogue activities (as outlined in Series 3: Cloaked Intentions)
That said, Stahl has already hinted (in the Raptr Q&A, I believe) he is considering making the Romulans a low-level-only faction, with their own content at first before each player must decide on a faction to join.
Yeah, I hate that idea. Why play as a Romulan if you're stuck with joining either KDf or FEd?
Anyways.... Divide et Impera made me want to kill Zelle the first time I played it and I'd relish to opportunity to play as a Romulan just for the chance to finally kill that
.
Yeah, I hate that idea. Why play as a Romulan if you're stuck with joining either KDf or FEd?
Anyways.... Divide et Impera made me want to kill Zelle the first time I played it and I'd relish to opportunity to play as a Romulan just for the chance to finally kill that
.
I was hoping they would throw in a KDF mission where we get to hunt his three-legged-TRIBBLE down and wreck his plans up. Be a nice way to make Roms their own but keep them allied (sharing queues and late content) with kdf as a way of keeping both from being too small to support.
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That isn't a bad idea really, having the Remen rebellion join KDF in alliance and the dissidents join the Federation in a defensive pact.
Agreed. I see the freedom fighting Reman allied with the KDF while I think the underhanded, backstabbing, dishonorable, disloyal, traitorous Romulans would be better suited allied with the Federation... in fact Drake would probably have a fangasm!
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The Tal Shiar doesn't run the military. Their job is to look for threats to the Romulan people. Sometimes they mess with the Romulan people in the process but that isn't their real goal. The Senate rules. Although the Tal Shiar often does things outside their approval, the Tal Shiar's mandate is to support the Senate.
I think you're clinging to the shows too hard.
The Tal Shiar betrayed Romulus and sided with a group that wants to annhilate all life, Romulans included.
I think that since we're there, that's what we should run with over the shows.
STO's job isn't to replicate the shows but advance past what we know... And it's better to double down on even the dumbest creative decision than reverse it, once you're past a certain point.
The Tal Shiar betrayed Romulus and sided with a group that wants to annhilate all life, Romulans included.
I think that since we're there, that's what we should run with over the shows.
STO's job isn't to replicate the shows but advance past what we know... And it's better to double down on even the dumbest creative decision than reverse it, once you're past a certain point.
i think of it like this maybe they are just trying to get there hands on some of that technology reason look at them they can time travel if i really was a romulan dont you think that be the romulan thing to do?
STO's job isn't to replicate the shows = True but its not there job to come up with unbelievable stuff to for i hope they dont have the staff of JJ movie
The Tal Shiar betrayed Romulus and sided with a group that wants to annhilate all life, Romulans included.
I think that since we're there, that's what we should run with over the shows.
STO's job isn't to replicate the shows but advance past what we know... And it's better to double down on even the dumbest creative decision than reverse it, once you're past a certain point.
Hmm... or is it a part of the Tal Shiar? In Coliseum it's kinda vague.
The Tal Shiar betrayed Romulus and sided with a group that wants to annhilate all life, Romulans included.
I think that since we're there, that's what we should run with over the shows.
STO's job isn't to replicate the shows but advance past what we know... And it's better to double down on even the dumbest creative decision than reverse it, once you're past a certain point.
I understand your position. If Cryptic spends too much time going back and undoing what some fanboys and girls object too, the in game story will lose what sluggish momentum it has. So Donatru can't be "unborged" even if someone feels that she'd make a better Empress than Sela, and the Tal'Shiar worked for the Iconians. However, since we're talking about playable Romulans you do have to be sensitive to the disposition of the fanboy. To quite a few people this game is about fantasy fulfillment and for Romulan fans that will often mean being a super secret nifty cool agent of the Tal'Shiar.
Now I'm not saying undo what has already been done, either by explaining it away or sweeping it under the rug and hoping people forget, but your storyline has to be broad enough to allow players the freedom to play the characters they want. So Hakeev, and quite a few agents of the Tal'Shiar, fell under the sway of the Iconians, that happened in game and there's no changing it now. But that doesn't mean the entire Tal'Shiar went that way. After all, even in the story line as presented there was at least one agent of the Tal'Shiar who openly questioned and disagreed with Hakeev.
Donatra could be rescued from the Borg. It's not quite the same, but it works.
I see the Tal Shiar as being run the same way as the CIA. Each office works independantly unless they need to coordinate with another office. Hakeev's office might work for the Iconians, but not all of them.
Donatra could be rescued from the Borg. It's not quite the same, but it works.
I see the Tal Shiar as being run the same way as the CIA. Each office works independantly unless they need to coordinate with another office. Hakeev's office might work for the Iconians, but not all of them.
Right, she can be liberated as part of an ongoing story, but that had better be an interesting part of the ongoing story that builds from the fact that she was turned. If it's done just as a "there, I fixed it!" it makes the entire exercise of turning her and then turning her back pointless.
To a lesser extent Hakeev. Sure, they can make his "office" a rogue agency with its own agenda, but when they do so it had better be by building off of and progressing that story line, and not just as a throwaway line or it lessens the impact of the Iconian angle.
To a lesser extent Hakeev. Sure, they can make his "office" a rogue agency with its own agenda, but when they do so it had better be by building off of and progressing that story line, and not just as a throwaway line or it lessens the impact of the Iconian angle.
That's true... a lot of stuff in this game is like that. I heard somewhere that most of the Dev's like TOS the best, and wanted the game to centre around that era. We all know that didn't happen, but at the same time, there is a suspicious amount of time travel, and the music certainly has more than a passing fascination with TOS style music.
Buuuuut... the weird thing is, this game is written more like a mashup of DS9 and TNG. It has lots and lots of arcs, but those arcs are so different from each other, sometimes you feel like you're playing an entirely different game.
And that doesn't really work.
From a story standpoint, Cryptic needs to stick with, and build off previous stories instead of just saying "OMG! Borg!" or "OMG! Tholians!" or "OMG! Klingons!" or "OMG! The Dominion!" and so on, and so forth ad nauseum.
Sure, curveballs are nice every once and a while, but at this point, I know how to hit them already garsh darns it! :P
Buuuuut... the weird thing is, this game is written more like a mashup of DS9 and TNG. It has lots and lots of arcs, but those arcs are so different from each other, sometimes you feel like you're playing an entirely different game.
And that doesn't really work.
From a story standpoint, Cryptic needs to stick with, and build off previous stories instead of just saying "OMG! Borg!" or "OMG! Tholians!" or "OMG! Klingons!" or "OMG! The Dominion!" and so on, and so forth ad nauseum.
Sure, curveballs are nice every once and a while, but at this point, I know how to hit them already garsh darns it! :P
this i agree with all of it ive said this alot to my fleet the game has so much going on story wise hard to know what going on some time
I understand your position. If Cryptic spends too much time going back and undoing what some fanboys and girls object too, the in game story will lose what sluggish momentum it has. So Donatru can't be "unborged" even if someone feels that she'd make a better Empress than Sela, and the Tal'Shiar worked for the Iconians. However, since we're talking about playable Romulans you do have to be sensitive to the disposition of the fanboy. To quite a few people this game is about fantasy fulfillment and for Romulan fans that will often mean being a super secret nifty cool agent of the Tal'Shiar.
Now I'm not saying undo what has already been done, either by explaining it away or sweeping it under the rug and hoping people forget, but your storyline has to be broad enough to allow players the freedom to play the characters they want. So Hakeev, and quite a few agents of the Tal'Shiar, fell under the sway of the Iconians, that happened in game and there's no changing it now. But that doesn't mean the entire Tal'Shiar went that way. After all, even in the story line as presented there was at least one agent of the Tal'Shiar who openly questioned and disagreed with Hakeev.
Frankly, I think what it comes down to is that playable Romulans should either fit the game's lore as much as the show's lore or they really shouldn't be done.
And that if Cryptic wants to do Romulans, they should lay out what that would mean, how it would differ from the shows, whether it would be complete... and create an INFORMED user poll where they say something like:
This is what Romulans will be if we do X. This is what they will be if we do Y.
A full faction is (something that would take 5 years/be off the table, likely forever). A mini-faction within existing factions is something that would take (12/14/24) months. Flat out playable species would likely be handled (in game/C-Store).
And then just flat out have a poll:
- Full Faction (Will take 5/10/20 years. We've looked at it. There's nothing that could change the time table.)
- Mini-Faction (Will take X long. Again, this is a minimum time table.)
- Playable species (Could be next month. Here's what it involves.)
- No playable Romulans at all
If they do the shortcut, I'd imagine it'll be because they'd have decided that they'd never be able to do a Romulan faction either way.
and that will be a sad day for me for i will let this account fade in to nothen because romulan are why im here
i know it gets said alot but i have to say it on this matter i will leave this game and never look back if romulan fed/KDF shortcuts is all i got to hope for
Frankly, I think what it comes down to is that playable Romulans should either fit the game's lore as much as the show's lore or they really shouldn't be done.
And that if Cryptic wants to do Romulans, they should lay out what that would mean, how it would differ from the shows, whether it would be complete... and create an INFORMED user poll where they say something like:
This is what Romulans will be if we do X. This is what they will be if we do Y.
A full faction is (something that would take 5 years/be off the table, likely forever). A mini-faction within existing factions is something that would take (12/14/24) months. Flat out playable species would likely be handled (in game/C-Store).
And then just flat out have a poll:
- Full Faction (Will take 5/10/20 years. We've looked at it. There's nothing that could change the time table.)
- Mini-Faction (Will take X long. Again, this is a minimum time table.)
- Playable species (Could be next month. Here's what it involves.)
- No playable Romulans at all
And listen to it.
I think, if they want to seriously look at this and haven't decided what they're doing yet, then you're right. A more explicit poll outlining a few different methods of adding playable Romulans would be a great idea.
However, I think they already have a pretty good idea of what they will do with the Romulans and this poll is serving as a combination of operational cover, a method of easing the player base into the idea that they are on the way, and the chance to build some anticipation. Bear in mind, for this theory to work they'll need to have predicted the results of the poll.
What if you started as a Romulan spy and could play Fed or KDF until level 40 or so (with extra missions) and then received the option to re-join the Romulan Empire?
Maybe part of that would involve being a surgically altered spy and getting a KDF Alien/Fed Alien costume slot.
You start at the same level as KDF. You get a new tutorial, establishing you as a surgically altered spy. Every few levels, you get bonus missions to report on the status of the Feds/KDF and meet with contacts.
Then at level 40, you choose whether to leave your spy post to rejoin the Romulans or defect to Feds/KDF.
"For our People!" I loved playing Rommy in ST Armada II. Stahl is a fool for Stahling so long on this. Romulan demand is here NOW. Better cash in before overall game demand flounders. Make the faction, unlock it for Feds past lvl 15. Sell ships, clothes, yada yada, give it a 3 ep Featured Episode series as a jumping off point, and let Foundry authors get a feel for where Kestral wants to steer the faction then let them write episodes galore. Then the team should just rotate around the three factions, 2 big official missions for Klink, then Fed, then back around to Rommy. Spending too much time for 4-5 episode FE per faction is foolish. Klinks dont want Fed missions, nor do Romulans. 2 good hour length missions per faction on a rotation. Thats fair, and keeps each factions official story going in sync with the others. Player happiness will be outstanding when they see each faction is getting equal attrntion for offcial missions. Stahl pretending he can release an epic amount of content at once for Rommys is a pipe dream. Its all about money for them, and doing what I said to get Rommys started would be an epic stimulus to their wallets far greater than lockboxes after each round of lockboxes has suceeded in pissing off another couple thousand players. Many, myself included, who let thier klinks collect dust, would invest in some Romulan action!
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The thing with bugs, gameplay balance, tweaks and artwork adjustments is that you're never done and you make no money off of doing them. They should do all of these things, but for you to suggest they halt game development until they get the sisyphean ask complete is short sighted.
The thing with bugs, gameplay balance, tweaks and artwork adjustments is that you're never done and you make no money off of doing them. They should do all of these things, but for you to suggest they halt game development until they get the sisyphean ask complete is short sighted.
Agreed. I'd be happy if all romulans had was a HW a few ships and a few playable species. And Doffs, can't forget those.
Counterproposal:
Create both Romulan and Cardassian factions. Romulans allied with the Klingons, Cardassians with Federation.
Since they don't have all that many canon ships, just level 40-50. Both races only accesible via c-store.
Own homeworld, own shipyard, no acces to the shipyard of their allies (and vice versa). If you want a warbird, pay for your Romulan captain.
Let's just assume the alliance is born out of necessaty, not spontaneous love. Therefore they don't thrust each other enough to give their allies acces to their shipyards.
No need for minor species at this point in time. And I don't want tons of aliens on the Romulan homeworld. Some diplos, maybe some security personal and one or the other merc/traider going for an ale in a bar. Never understood why the majority of the population in the Klingon captitol city are aliens. :mad:
Story for Romulans: The Iconians became more proactive and have attacked the Klingon Empire. Romulans somehow don't see themselfes as servants in their own empire, rising up against their masters.
The Klingons on the other hand can't afford to fight Feck something and Iconians at the same time. Tada, alliance.
Azure nebula is in the wrong place anyway. So bye bye empire defense Romulans. As compensation KDF get's to fight the Feck something in their own nebula. Yeah, I'm really that creative !
Sela escaped with some info about the Iconians, we can adapt our ship defenses. Iconians now as scary(or underwhelming) as Borg.
Romulans/Cardassians musn't join fleets of their allies. Plenty of new grinding for new starbases ! PWE will like this.
Create one new episode chain exclusive for each faction that explains their interests and conflicts. (Breen as nemesis for Cardies ?)
Romulans and Cardies may support their new allies in PvP.
This way, PWE can make a pretty penny. Players can now grind in their favourite ship and the option for a full faction later on is retained.
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This is true, unfortunately the site doesn't tell you anywhere that the support forum is the only one that you can post to, until you have an account balance (c-points/zen).
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
On this we disagree.
The KDf has no real PvE missions that explain the setting for the KDF / fed hostilities thus leaving the old and new player out in the cold on the why we are fighting. This is one of the reasons in both factions why the war makes no sense. Or why two powers fighting each other up through the ranks is suddenly working together to fight the Borg at endgame.
One could read the Path to 2409 to find out but honestly the game should have the missions that explain the storyline to the player.
The KDF has no real PvE missions that explain the Undine hunt and how the it is part of the KDF/fed conflict issue thus leaving the old and new player wondering why the Undine are even an issue?
One could read the Path to 2409 to find out but honestly the game should have the missions that explain the storyline to the player.
The KDF has no PvE missions explaining why the Orions, Gorn and Nausicians are now a part of the Empire.
One could read the Path to 2409 to find out but honestly the game should have the missions that explain the storyline to the player.
The KDF has no real PvE missions explaining the RSE hostilities and how its cuased by the KDF retaking of old systems they once held.
One could read the Path to 2409 to find out but honestly the game should have the missions that explain the storyline to the player.
One can basically follow the Path to 2409 backstory to STO and literally just pick the areas that the KDF doesn't have ingame PvE content to match.
The KDf is playable ingame for both fan and new player alike, but its hardly fine as it is and lacks in many areas besides just PvE content.
R.I.P
A person can only remember things they actually know. If he did not know there were only specific boards he could post on, then there is no way he can remember it. Therefore his memory is not faulty.
And historically, people have always been willing to slap a few points into an account to get an advantage. Since you can get Zen for free, it's not an impediment; you could perl script the entire process of generating a fake email account, using it to create a new PWE account, grabbing some free Zen, and transferring it into STO. It's trivial for anybody who's ever, say, scripted a frontend to VeriSign certificate orders, and it'd run in seconds.
This is going to be true of ANY system that doesn't require a non-trivial financial expenditure to post.
However, it is possible to detect that kind of account activity. It's easy with the Mark 1 Mod 0 Eyeball on logfiles, usually.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Romulan-Klingon_Alliance
Give them their own content, but make them redsiders, with full access to our content (share content), but their own 1-10, and finally when making the KDF's 1-20 separate out our own 1-10.
When Queuing for missions & STF, group KDF and Rom together. Allow limited ship sharing, as per the above link - the Klingons had exchanged D7s for cloaking technology. I believe there is one other example of this as well, I seem to recall a mentioning of "Romulan Design" in an early BoP entry? It isn't too hokey - precedence is set both in TOS and in TNG (Warf mentions the Romulan attack happening when they were supposed to be their allies). Add the current Undine threat as a reason for the Alliance, as the UFP missions clearly outlining an Undine infiltration into the Romulan Empire as a direct result of Federation player's actions, and really as a result of the Federation being too soft on researching their own infiltration.
In order to pull it off, a mission series will be necessary and they will have to push the clock forward both through in-game content and new entries to the Path to 2409 (making it 2413?) Minor changes to specific KDF mission text will be needed to link Romulan meddling more clearly to Hakeev and the Tal Shiar's Iconian influenced rogue activities (as outlined in Series 3: Cloaked Intentions)
That said, Stahl has already hinted (in the Raptr Q&A, I believe) he is considering making the Romulans a low-level-only faction, with their own content at first before each player must decide on a faction to join.
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A laid back KDF fleet welcoming independent, casual, & part-time players and groups. Roms & alts welcome.
Send in-game mail to Wampaq@Jnoh, visit our recruitment thread and FB page for more info.
Anyways.... Divide et Impera made me want to kill Zelle the first time I played it and I'd relish to opportunity to play as a Romulan just for the chance to finally kill that
.
My character Tsin'xing
I was hoping they would throw in a KDF mission where we get to hunt his three-legged-TRIBBLE down and wreck his plans up. Be a nice way to make Roms their own but keep them allied (sharing queues and late content) with kdf as a way of keeping both from being too small to support.
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A laid back KDF fleet welcoming independent, casual, & part-time players and groups. Roms & alts welcome.
Send in-game mail to Wampaq@Jnoh, visit our recruitment thread and FB page for more info.
system Lord Baal is dead
Agreed. I see the freedom fighting Reman allied with the KDF while I think the underhanded, backstabbing, dishonorable, disloyal, traitorous Romulans would be better suited allied with the Federation... in fact Drake would probably have a fangasm!
I think you're clinging to the shows too hard.
The Tal Shiar betrayed Romulus and sided with a group that wants to annhilate all life, Romulans included.
I think that since we're there, that's what we should run with over the shows.
STO's job isn't to replicate the shows but advance past what we know... And it's better to double down on even the dumbest creative decision than reverse it, once you're past a certain point.
i think of it like this maybe they are just trying to get there hands on some of that technology reason look at them they can time travel if i really was a romulan dont you think that be the romulan thing to do?
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Tal_Shiar just for more background on them to all that loves romulans
i think of the Tal Shiar as the Romulan CIA
STO's job isn't to replicate the shows = True but its not there job to come up with unbelievable stuff to for i hope they dont have the staff of JJ movie
system Lord Baal is dead
My character Tsin'xing
I understand your position. If Cryptic spends too much time going back and undoing what some fanboys and girls object too, the in game story will lose what sluggish momentum it has. So Donatru can't be "unborged" even if someone feels that she'd make a better Empress than Sela, and the Tal'Shiar worked for the Iconians. However, since we're talking about playable Romulans you do have to be sensitive to the disposition of the fanboy. To quite a few people this game is about fantasy fulfillment and for Romulan fans that will often mean being a super secret nifty cool agent of the Tal'Shiar.
Now I'm not saying undo what has already been done, either by explaining it away or sweeping it under the rug and hoping people forget, but your storyline has to be broad enough to allow players the freedom to play the characters they want. So Hakeev, and quite a few agents of the Tal'Shiar, fell under the sway of the Iconians, that happened in game and there's no changing it now. But that doesn't mean the entire Tal'Shiar went that way. After all, even in the story line as presented there was at least one agent of the Tal'Shiar who openly questioned and disagreed with Hakeev.
I see the Tal Shiar as being run the same way as the CIA. Each office works independantly unless they need to coordinate with another office. Hakeev's office might work for the Iconians, but not all of them.
My character Tsin'xing
system Lord Baal is dead
Right, she can be liberated as part of an ongoing story, but that had better be an interesting part of the ongoing story that builds from the fact that she was turned. If it's done just as a "there, I fixed it!" it makes the entire exercise of turning her and then turning her back pointless.
To a lesser extent Hakeev. Sure, they can make his "office" a rogue agency with its own agenda, but when they do so it had better be by building off of and progressing that story line, and not just as a throwaway line or it lessens the impact of the Iconian angle.
That's true... a lot of stuff in this game is like that. I heard somewhere that most of the Dev's like TOS the best, and wanted the game to centre around that era. We all know that didn't happen, but at the same time, there is a suspicious amount of time travel, and the music certainly has more than a passing fascination with TOS style music.
Buuuuut... the weird thing is, this game is written more like a mashup of DS9 and TNG. It has lots and lots of arcs, but those arcs are so different from each other, sometimes you feel like you're playing an entirely different game.
And that doesn't really work.
From a story standpoint, Cryptic needs to stick with, and build off previous stories instead of just saying "OMG! Borg!" or "OMG! Tholians!" or "OMG! Klingons!" or "OMG! The Dominion!" and so on, and so forth ad nauseum.
Sure, curveballs are nice every once and a while, but at this point, I know how to hit them already garsh darns it! :P
If they do the shortcut, I'd imagine it'll be because they'd have decided that they'd never be able to do a Romulan faction either way.
this i agree with all of it ive said this alot to my fleet the game has so much going on story wise hard to know what going on some time
system Lord Baal is dead
Frankly, I think what it comes down to is that playable Romulans should either fit the game's lore as much as the show's lore or they really shouldn't be done.
And that if Cryptic wants to do Romulans, they should lay out what that would mean, how it would differ from the shows, whether it would be complete... and create an INFORMED user poll where they say something like:
This is what Romulans will be if we do X. This is what they will be if we do Y.
A full faction is (something that would take 5 years/be off the table, likely forever). A mini-faction within existing factions is something that would take (12/14/24) months. Flat out playable species would likely be handled (in game/C-Store).
And then just flat out have a poll:
- Full Faction (Will take 5/10/20 years. We've looked at it. There's nothing that could change the time table.)
- Mini-Faction (Will take X long. Again, this is a minimum time table.)
- Playable species (Could be next month. Here's what it involves.)
- No playable Romulans at all
And listen to it.
and that will be a sad day for me for i will let this account fade in to nothen because romulan are why im here
i know it gets said alot but i have to say it on this matter i will leave this game and never look back if romulan fed/KDF shortcuts is all i got to hope for
system Lord Baal is dead
I think, if they want to seriously look at this and haven't decided what they're doing yet, then you're right. A more explicit poll outlining a few different methods of adding playable Romulans would be a great idea.
However, I think they already have a pretty good idea of what they will do with the Romulans and this poll is serving as a combination of operational cover, a method of easing the player base into the idea that they are on the way, and the chance to build some anticipation. Bear in mind, for this theory to work they'll need to have predicted the results of the poll.
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Maybe part of that would involve being a surgically altered spy and getting a KDF Alien/Fed Alien costume slot.
You start at the same level as KDF. You get a new tutorial, establishing you as a surgically altered spy. Every few levels, you get bonus missions to report on the status of the Feds/KDF and meet with contacts.
Then at level 40, you choose whether to leave your spy post to rejoin the Romulans or defect to Feds/KDF.
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
The thing with bugs, gameplay balance, tweaks and artwork adjustments is that you're never done and you make no money off of doing them. They should do all of these things, but for you to suggest they halt game development until they get the sisyphean ask complete is short sighted.
My character Tsin'xing
Create both Romulan and Cardassian factions. Romulans allied with the Klingons, Cardassians with Federation.
Since they don't have all that many canon ships, just level 40-50. Both races only accesible via c-store.
Own homeworld, own shipyard, no acces to the shipyard of their allies (and vice versa). If you want a warbird, pay for your Romulan captain.
Let's just assume the alliance is born out of necessaty, not spontaneous love. Therefore they don't thrust each other enough to give their allies acces to their shipyards.
No need for minor species at this point in time. And I don't want tons of aliens on the Romulan homeworld. Some diplos, maybe some security personal and one or the other merc/traider going for an ale in a bar. Never understood why the majority of the population in the Klingon captitol city are aliens. :mad:
Story for Romulans: The Iconians became more proactive and have attacked the Klingon Empire. Romulans somehow don't see themselfes as servants in their own empire, rising up against their masters.
The Klingons on the other hand can't afford to fight Feck something and Iconians at the same time. Tada, alliance.
Azure nebula is in the wrong place anyway. So bye bye empire defense Romulans. As compensation KDF get's to fight the Feck something in their own nebula. Yeah, I'm really that creative !
Sela escaped with some info about the Iconians, we can adapt our ship defenses. Iconians now as scary(or underwhelming) as Borg.
Romulans/Cardassians musn't join fleets of their allies. Plenty of new grinding for new starbases ! PWE will like this.
Create one new episode chain exclusive for each faction that explains their interests and conflicts. (Breen as nemesis for Cardies ?)
Romulans and Cardies may support their new allies in PvP.
This way, PWE can make a pretty penny. Players can now grind in their favourite ship and the option for a full faction later on is retained.