If i wanted to play a romulan , id rp a paranoid schizophrenic Vulcan who has severe anger management issues :rolleyes:
Holy TRIBBLE, I'm already there
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That's where I sortof get Stahl's point about splitting them up.
Its where I do not understand his idea for the split.
Is Dan only designing STO to appeal to the existing Star Trek Fans playing and not trying to design STO to bring in other F2P players (Star Trek fan or not) with options for gameplay choices and a good backstory?
Its where I do not understand his idea for the split.
Is Dan only designing STO to appeal to the existing Star Trek Fans playing and not trying to design STO to bring in other F2P players (Star Trek fan or not) with options for gameplay choices and a good backstory?
Growing may not be a huge incentive.
Like I said, he may have been told, "We'll get your team up to 40. Your current numbers support that with lockboxes included. After that, though, we're not going to dramatically increase reinvestment. Work with what you have and build your goals around that rather than chasing growth."
If the team do not have the resources to do it right/fully, it would be correct to not make the Romulan faction playable. Would appreciate them as much as anyone else, but not at the expense of ending up with more that in reality plays out as less.
That's at least a more Vulcan way of looking at it. The Romulan in me still have these strange urges that can never be quite subdued. Ahhh... the joys of internal conflict, makes you feel alive!
Really? Yet 30% and growing think otherwise. That is nearly 1/3 of the population. If the price is done right on access to the Romulan Faction... they can expect to bring in a lot of sales on its making.
How it affects the game... will be determined in how much of the Romulan added Content involves the Federation Faction and Klingon Faction... If they were smart, by adding a Romulan Faction they could create content for both the KDF and Federation at the same time in the way of missions that involve those two factions along with the Romulan Faction.
But... anyway... I just disagree with you and your lack of vision to what could be done.
1/3 the population of the forums. Less than a tenth of the playerbase regularly visit the forums. Less that 30% have even viewed the forums at all. Also, if people really wanted to, they could make other accounts and vote more than once. I have the sneaking suspicion that may be the case here. That would put your 30% at about 15%-20% in actuality.
You are right, quite a few would play a Romulan Faction, but according to my fuzzy napkin math, less that 5% of the total playerbase is actually demanding one.
Also, no matter how much a new faction could add, it wouldn't nearly make up for what it would take away. That's not a lack of vision. That's being realistic.
If the team do not have the resources to do it right/fully, it would be correct to not make the Romulan faction playable. Would appreciate them as much as anyone else, but not at the expense of ending up with more that in reality plays out as less.
That's at least a more Vulcan way of looking at it. The Romulan in me still have these strange urges that can never be quite subdued. Ahhh... the joys of internal conflict, makes you feel alive!
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Now the next question is whether playing a Romulan defector would make sense.
I think it COULD.
Frankly, I think it would make MORE sense as an unlock for completing the Romulan Embassy and getting reputation high enough, all of which would involve indirect monetization. And if they needed direct monetization in there, add in that you have to supply the Romulans with a Fleet Ship Module.
That way, if you're going to have defectors in the Federation and KDF, they'd make more game sense than a flat C-Store purchase.
1/3 the population of the forums. Less than a tenth of the playerbase regularly visit the forums. Less that 30% have even viewed the forums at all. Also, if people really wanted to, they could make other accounts and vote more than once. I have the sneaking suspicion that may be the case here. That would put your 30% at about 15%-20% in actuality.
You are right, quite a few would play a Romulan Faction, but according to my fuzzy napkin math, less that 5% of the total playerbase is actually demanding one.
Also, no matter how much a new faction could add, it wouldn't nearly make up for what it would take away. That's not a lack of vision. That's being realistic.
And this is the reason I think they should do in game or Launcher polls. That way they actually get a feel for what the playing community wants, not just what is on the forums.
Forums are good for general feedback but if they want an answer to what people want them to focus development time on they should ask the largest sample size they can get.
I said it before in the old forums and I will say it again in the new forums.
To add some Romulan content easily without needing to make fully new environments and a lot of mission content, while you work on the "good stuff". Cryptic just needs to have someone or hire someone(namely me ) to take the existing episode missions for Feds & Klingons including the Patrol system mission content and present it from the Romulan side before the Feds or Klingons got there and kicked around their recently overthrown planetside colony, locally harrassed civilations or underhanded business dealings. That way it would tied together the missions you remember doing on the Fed side, and you can feel greater meaning with missions you have accomplished when you possibly unlock the Romulan content at the Fed Captain level. This assumes Cryptic has no time to make full 1 to 50 content and takes the short route like they did with the Klingons.
Man, I need to seriously just take a week's vacation and just make these missions myself. Is it difficult or does it exist in Foundry to load an Episode mission and then edit that mission, replacing NPCs ships and the like to your heart's content? Or is that coming with the Neverwinter Nights Foundry update post their launch?
Unlike Cardassian who cant field their military out side self defense, Rommulans still can. They also have cool delta quadrant tech like Borg and Hirogen.
Their story should focused more on rebuilding their empire after Sela disappearance. You start at lv 40 and their ship selection similar to fed than klink, their 3 main ship are Mungai (heavy escort), Warbird (heavy cruiser), Raptor (sci vessel) got +1 front weapon slot but -2 rear slot.
And this is the reason I think they should do in game or Launcher polls. That way they actually get a feel for what the playing community wants, not just what is on the forums.
Forums are good for general feedback but if they want an answer to what people want them to focus development time on they should ask the largest sample size they can get.
I agree. Make use of that Bulletin Board for more than just Foundry. PLEASE Cryptic!
Like I said, he may have been told, "We'll get your team up to 40. Your current numbers support that with lockboxes included. After that, though, we're not going to dramatically increase reinvestment. Work with what you have and build your goals around that rather than chasing growth."
My contribution to this discussion is that Romulan, Cardassian and the like should be a faction unlock at Fed level 30. No less, lets have them have meaning to flying around as one to start with.
And this is the reason I think they should do in game or Launcher polls. That way they actually get a feel for what the playing community wants, not just what is on the forums.
Forums are good for general feedback but if they want an answer to what people want them to focus development time on they should ask the largest sample size they can get.
Agreed. Forum polls are at worst grossly inaccurate, and at best highly biased. This would get a far more accurate (and larger) sample size. They even have a way to do it! (That poor neglected bulletin board. )
Even if the desire for a Rommie faction is the overwhelming majority (which I doubt) I don't think it should be added. Right now at least. STO is barely two and a half years old, we still have a lot of growing pains to go through, and this game is still very unstable.
Updates are a complete shot in the dark, particularly content updates, bugs are hilariously unpredictable, Endgame is mostly static challenges meant to be ground, Half the ships are unusable at endgame, stats are buffed and nerfed all the time, an entire faction is unfinished.... throwing a faction sized wrench into the mix would make a mess no one will want to clean up.
Things need to be scheduled, stuff needs to be completed/redone, KDF needs to be filled out, once we get there however, we could reasonably add all kinds of stuff, including a Romulan faction.
I don't see how the game would be significantly different between adding the Romulans as a separate mini-faction or adding Romulan renegades who join either the KDF or Starfleet.
Romulan 'renegades' I suppose can share a DOFF system, Star Base system, use ships to fill out their options, and use 'special consoles' of the faction they've joined up with. But they can't say they have "playable Romulans" without having Romulan ships and outfits and ships will be the big development point. Also they wouldn't have to do anything unusual with the PVP queue's.
A Romulan only base, like a small space station outside of Rator or a Tal'Shiar base in Alpha Centauri would be so useful in making sure Romulan ships are only sold to Romulan players that it would happen regardless of the direction they go.
(on a related note, who all remembers that Klingon tactical officer who snuck onto earth space dock and bought himself a science vessel during Beta?)
I don't see how the game would be significantly different between adding the Romulans as a separate mini-faction or adding Romulan renegades who join either the KDF or Starfleet.
you my friend dont know or understand romulan to say that
I think that we are going to have to accept that STO can't introduce every species as a full and independent faction. On the other hand, Romulans deserve to have a playable faction of some kind.
I don't like the notion of bundling Romulans/Cardassians/etc as sub-factions under either the Federation or the KDF.
An idea that's rolling around in my head is that Cryptic could create a third, species-neutral faction that contains all of the other sub-factions in the game. These sub-factions could be "allied" as far as PvE goes, or possibly leverage some form of the Reputation system that Cryptic is developing. It might be possible that the Reputation system could be used to make distinctions between them and to define their relationships to each other and to the main two factions.
The neutral faction could possibly contain all kinds of sub-factions that don't fit into the main factions, like:
The neutral factions could share some common content and unlock species-specific content (like Romulan or Cardassian ships) through the Reputation system. A new neutral character could have one of the sub-factions already unlocked, so that a Romulan character can start out with a Romulan ship. More Reputation-unlockable content could be added over time.
Using the Reputation system, it might even be feasible to unlock features from one or both of the main factions. This could allow a neutral character to enter the Klingon home sector, or to play through missions normally restricted to Federation characters, and more.
Any content that the Reputation system can't provide, like Romulan-themed missions, could potentially be handled with Foundry missions.
I know there are people who will strongly disagree with this proposal. But I think something like this is the only way Cryptic could reasonably accomodate more than 2-3 factions in the game. This could be flexible enough to satisfy most wishes for introducing new factions into the game over time.
I like it. Developing a reputation system seems like alot of work and an entirely new mechanic being introduced strikes me as a tad unlikely, but... I like it. I particularly like that it's expandable into other races or factions.
you my friend dont know or understand romulan to say that
How do I respond to this.... I could point out that, in canon, there's a movement to reconcile Romulans and Vulcans. I could point out, in game canon, a Romulan colony already attempted to join the Federation. I could point out that enough Romulans blame Vulcan for the destruction of Romulus that they'd be angry enough to try anything to strike back. I could point out that the Duras family, that would be Chancellor Jem'Pok's family, have had profitable dealings with the Romulans in the past.
No, I won't do any of those things. I'll just smile enigmatically, it is the Romulan way.
How do I respond to this.... I could point out that, in canon, there's a movement to reconcile Romulans and Vulcans. I could point out, in game canon, a Romulan colony already attempted to join the Federation. I could point out that enough Romulans blame Vulcan for the destruction of Romulus that they'd be angry enough to try anything to strike back. I could point out that the Duras family, that would be Chancellor Jem'Pok's family, have had profitable dealings with the Romulans in the past.
No, I won't do any of those things. I'll just smile enigmatically, it is the Romulan way.
Duras family lol romulans would have said dun any thing to put them in a civil war for what best way to conquer them as said you dont know or understand them
The Undine, Borg and Iconians are why we are at war. The Undine have subverted the Federation and thats why are at war with the Romulans, The Iconians sent the Borg it seems to attack everyone and seem to be helping the RSE in part. We KDF are at war with the fedration becuase of our atack on the Gorn and our retaking of once Romulan systems. Its an action the UFP condemned.
The fault for why the war makes little sense is not the backstory that puts it inplace, but the fact that the war has not been given any attention in STO by the Dev team.
Heck, we KDF are at war with the feds and the only way a player would know this is to read the Path to 2409, our faction play has little PvE to explain it.
The Feds have a much better attempt at following the fed/war/undine involved storyline but even thier missions do little to tell the player why the war exists.
One came close though to revealing the Undine subversion of Star Fleet (the mission where as a fed you kill a bunch of innocent Romulan scientist) but it hit a lot a flack from the playerbase as being "anti-fed" in nature and for not allowing the player the option of refusing the order.
All in all the fault for the confusing Fed/KDF war falls on Cryptic for not elaborating on it properly as part of the games backstory.
What I would like them see is finally finish the KDF/Fed war/Undine subversion to its endgame level by allowing the player to play through it as they progress up the ranks. Give the player time and ability to uncover the Undine plot for themselves and realize the danger. It could culminate in a series of Undine STFs and would make the co-operation between the KDF and feds at endgame make more sense instead being forced as it is now.
Well thought and well said. I want to see this happen.
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I could point out that the Duras family, that would be Chancellor Jem'Pok's family, have had profitable dealings with the Romulans in the past.
J'mpok isn't a member of the House of Duras, he's the leader of his own house. He's friend to the House of Torg who raised Jar'od (the son of Lursa), and the House of Torg deals with the Romulans.
Duras family lol romulans would have said dun any thing to put them in a civil war for what best way to conquer them as said you dont know or understand them
Smiling sweetly to their face, and stabbing them in the back is the core of Romulan diplomacy. But you're a fool if you think that means we can't like them, we have reason to respect the strength of our neighbors and if we can turn one neighbor to our will to avenge the attacks done by our other neighbors, we will.
Even before the Hobus Super Nova we were the smallest of the three major powers in our quadrant, but the most feared. We allied ourselves with the Klingons when we needed ships to defend ourselves from the Federation. And when the Klingons let themselves get complacent and tamed by the Federation, we struck them a blow that they still remember to this day. Now that they're off the Federation's leash we can deal with them again. Or not. They invaded us and we broke their fleet and sent them back to instead try their luck with the Federation.
But you are wrong, Romulans wouldn't have said or done anything to put the Klingons in a civil war, we'd have only said clever things, and we'd have only done effective things, to draw them into a civil war because Romulans are smarter than you. It's silly that you think you know them well enough to lecture others.
J'mpok isn't a member of the House of Duras, he's the leader of his own house. He's friend to the House of Torg who raised Jar'od (the son of Lursa), and the House of Torg deals with the Romulans.
Ah yes, I see that you're correct. Fine by me, either way there are plot threads that connect the KDF to the Romulans. This is not some crazy idea floating around completely in a vacuum.
Smiling sweetly to their face, and stabbing them in the back is the core of Romulan diplomacy. But you're a fool if you think that means we can't like them, we have reason to respect the strength of our neighbors and if we can turn one neighbor to our will to avenge the attacks done by our other neighbors, we will.
Even before the Hobus Super Nova we were the smallest of the three major powers in our quadrant, but the most feared. We allied ourselves with the Klingons when we needed ships to defend ourselves from the Federation. And when the Klingons let themselves get complacent and tamed by the Federation, we struck them a blow that they still remember to this day. Now that they're off the Federation's leash we can deal with them again. Or not. They invaded us and we broke their fleet and sent them back to instead try their luck with the Federation.
But you are wrong, Romulans wouldn't have said or done anything to put the Klingons in a civil war, we'd have only said clever things, and we'd have only done effective things, to draw them into a civil war because Romulans are smarter than you. It's silly that you think you know them well enough to lecture others.
funny i know them more well then you think for look at my sigature and also do you forget when picard stop them romulans with a blockade how fast Sela truned her back on them??????? again show i know and understand them better
funny i know them more well then you think for look at my sigature and also do you forget when picard stop them romulans with a blockade how fast Sela truned her back on them??????? again show i know and understand them better
Yes, your signature is bright, shiny, and displays your motives and allegiance for all the world to see. That is how I know that you know nothing of the Romulans.
Yes, your signature is bright, shiny, and displays your motives and allegiance for all the world to see. That is how I know that you know nothing of the Romulans.
funny tell that to the few in my fleet that says i do but we can go like this all night i have no job dont need one so i have till the end of time do you ?
funny tell that to the few in my fleet that says i do but we can go like this all night i have no job dont need one so i have till the end of time do you ?
No, I rather think I can stop talking right now and after what you've just said, I will have won.
Well, given that a lot of the playerbase seems intent on treating this game like an RPG (no talking or communicating, apparent inability to work in teams, etc), an in-game poll might not be a whole lot better.
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Holy TRIBBLE, I'm already there
Aside, @stoleviathan -- I love the mindscrewiness of your twisted idea.
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Its where I do not understand his idea for the split.
Is Dan only designing STO to appeal to the existing Star Trek Fans playing and not trying to design STO to bring in other F2P players (Star Trek fan or not) with options for gameplay choices and a good backstory?
R.I.P
Growing may not be a huge incentive.
Like I said, he may have been told, "We'll get your team up to 40. Your current numbers support that with lockboxes included. After that, though, we're not going to dramatically increase reinvestment. Work with what you have and build your goals around that rather than chasing growth."
That's at least a more Vulcan way of looking at it. The Romulan in me still have these strange urges that can never be quite subdued. Ahhh... the joys of internal conflict, makes you feel alive!
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1/3 the population of the forums. Less than a tenth of the playerbase regularly visit the forums. Less that 30% have even viewed the forums at all. Also, if people really wanted to, they could make other accounts and vote more than once. I have the sneaking suspicion that may be the case here. That would put your 30% at about 15%-20% in actuality.
You are right, quite a few would play a Romulan Faction, but according to my fuzzy napkin math, less that 5% of the total playerbase is actually demanding one.
Also, no matter how much a new faction could add, it wouldn't nearly make up for what it would take away. That's not a lack of vision. That's being realistic.
Now the next question is whether playing a Romulan defector would make sense.
I think it COULD.
Frankly, I think it would make MORE sense as an unlock for completing the Romulan Embassy and getting reputation high enough, all of which would involve indirect monetization. And if they needed direct monetization in there, add in that you have to supply the Romulans with a Fleet Ship Module.
That way, if you're going to have defectors in the Federation and KDF, they'd make more game sense than a flat C-Store purchase.
And this is the reason I think they should do in game or Launcher polls. That way they actually get a feel for what the playing community wants, not just what is on the forums.
Forums are good for general feedback but if they want an answer to what people want them to focus development time on they should ask the largest sample size they can get.
To add some Romulan content easily without needing to make fully new environments and a lot of mission content, while you work on the "good stuff". Cryptic just needs to have someone or hire someone(namely me
Man, I need to seriously just take a week's vacation and just make these missions myself. Is it difficult or does it exist in Foundry to load an Episode mission and then edit that mission, replacing NPCs ships and the like to your heart's content? Or is that coming with the Neverwinter Nights Foundry update post their launch?
Klink > PvP
Rom > Playing Sim Planet
Unlike Cardassian who cant field their military out side self defense, Rommulans still can. They also have cool delta quadrant tech like Borg and Hirogen.
Their story should focused more on rebuilding their empire after Sela disappearance. You start at lv 40 and their ship selection similar to fed than klink, their 3 main ship are Mungai (heavy escort), Warbird (heavy cruiser), Raptor (sci vessel) got +1 front weapon slot but -2 rear slot.
I agree. Make use of that Bulletin Board for more than just Foundry. PLEASE Cryptic!
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Knowledge is power.
Besides, that would leave out the forums vs. live environment line of arguments. It would be worth it just to remove that component of the debate.
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Agreed. Forum polls are at worst grossly inaccurate, and at best highly biased. This would get a far more accurate (and larger) sample size. They even have a way to do it! (That poor neglected bulletin board.
Even if the desire for a Rommie faction is the overwhelming majority (which I doubt) I don't think it should be added. Right now at least. STO is barely two and a half years old, we still have a lot of growing pains to go through, and this game is still very unstable.
Updates are a complete shot in the dark, particularly content updates, bugs are hilariously unpredictable, Endgame is mostly static challenges meant to be ground, Half the ships are unusable at endgame, stats are buffed and nerfed all the time, an entire faction is unfinished.... throwing a faction sized wrench into the mix would make a mess no one will want to clean up.
Things need to be scheduled, stuff needs to be completed/redone, KDF needs to be filled out, once we get there however, we could reasonably add all kinds of stuff, including a Romulan faction.
But we have a long way to go.
Romulan 'renegades' I suppose can share a DOFF system, Star Base system, use ships to fill out their options, and use 'special consoles' of the faction they've joined up with. But they can't say they have "playable Romulans" without having Romulan ships and outfits and ships will be the big development point. Also they wouldn't have to do anything unusual with the PVP queue's.
A Romulan only base, like a small space station outside of Rator or a Tal'Shiar base in Alpha Centauri would be so useful in making sure Romulan ships are only sold to Romulan players that it would happen regardless of the direction they go.
(on a related note, who all remembers that Klingon tactical officer who snuck onto earth space dock and bought himself a science vessel during Beta?)
you my friend dont know or understand romulan to say that
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I like it. Developing a reputation system seems like alot of work and an entirely new mechanic being introduced strikes me as a tad unlikely, but... I like it. I particularly like that it's expandable into other races or factions.
How do I respond to this.... I could point out that, in canon, there's a movement to reconcile Romulans and Vulcans. I could point out, in game canon, a Romulan colony already attempted to join the Federation. I could point out that enough Romulans blame Vulcan for the destruction of Romulus that they'd be angry enough to try anything to strike back. I could point out that the Duras family, that would be Chancellor Jem'Pok's family, have had profitable dealings with the Romulans in the past.
No, I won't do any of those things. I'll just smile enigmatically, it is the Romulan way.
Duras family lol romulans would have said dun any thing to put them in a civil war for what best way to conquer them as said you dont know or understand them
system Lord Baal is dead
Well thought and well said. I want to see this happen.
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J'mpok isn't a member of the House of Duras, he's the leader of his own house. He's friend to the House of Torg who raised Jar'od (the son of Lursa), and the House of Torg deals with the Romulans.
Smiling sweetly to their face, and stabbing them in the back is the core of Romulan diplomacy. But you're a fool if you think that means we can't like them, we have reason to respect the strength of our neighbors and if we can turn one neighbor to our will to avenge the attacks done by our other neighbors, we will.
Even before the Hobus Super Nova we were the smallest of the three major powers in our quadrant, but the most feared. We allied ourselves with the Klingons when we needed ships to defend ourselves from the Federation. And when the Klingons let themselves get complacent and tamed by the Federation, we struck them a blow that they still remember to this day. Now that they're off the Federation's leash we can deal with them again. Or not. They invaded us and we broke their fleet and sent them back to instead try their luck with the Federation.
But you are wrong, Romulans wouldn't have said or done anything to put the Klingons in a civil war, we'd have only said clever things, and we'd have only done effective things, to draw them into a civil war because Romulans are smarter than you. It's silly that you think you know them well enough to lecture others.
Ah yes, I see that you're correct. Fine by me, either way there are plot threads that connect the KDF to the Romulans. This is not some crazy idea floating around completely in a vacuum.
funny i know them more well then you think for look at my sigature and also do you forget when picard stop them romulans with a blockade how fast Sela truned her back on them??????? again show i know and understand them better
system Lord Baal is dead
Yes, your signature is bright, shiny, and displays your motives and allegiance for all the world to see. That is how I know that you know nothing of the Romulans.
funny tell that to the few in my fleet that says i do
system Lord Baal is dead
No, I rather think I can stop talking right now and after what you've just said, I will have won.
ya if it helps you sleep at night i will let ya think that
system Lord Baal is dead