Don't eat the food from Cryptic propaganda machine.
This statement is false, as I constantly get teamed with AFK'ers I've ignored.
Did you not read my post? I just love it when someone flames your post without even reading the whole thing. The only responce that comes to mind for your comment is: Umm... Duhh!!
As I have seen in other games, people are lemmings and will vote for a kick without even knowing what for. This is either because of peer pressure or laziness. And some people simply have anger issues and just like any chance to kick players.
Just had the issue in an Azure stf. Myself and one other teammate pm'd him during the match to get a response. The other teammate threatened to report him, he (AFK'er) immediately left the mission.
If folks are (AFK'ers), pm them in the op and threaten to report them.
Speaking of players who can't seem to learn good manners, I do believe that naming and shaming fleets/players on the forums is against the TOS. While it's all fun to sit here an speculate over what could happen, what should happen, and how it could potentially be exploited by players, the fact is that the vote kick option can easily be exploitable by anyone, not just any particular group of "boogeymen" you invent as a scapegoat.
Leave fleets out of this, thanks in advance.
Naming Individual playes yes. Your fleet not so much. As we all know from EXPERENCE your group would be all over the vote kick feature like a dog on a bone. Just look what you guys do in PVP arena currently with the YOLO TRIBBLE. If you had a feature like that you would exploit it to the fullest.
Haven't you heard? According to the anti-vote-kick crowd, there are vast fleets of organized griefers just waiting for the chance to form teams so they can kick the one sucker that joined their team(s). :rolleyes:
It can and will be abused. Absolutely no.
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So your position is that anything that can and will be abused shouldn't be allowed in the game?
No but something like this should not be put in because it can affect a persons game play very easily. I have seen in TOR alone how it can be abused very easily.
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Its not "exploiting" as much as harassing and griefing the community. Anything to anger or annoy people. And not just in this game but others. This fleet has a reputation for a reason. Defend it all you want but anyone that has played this game long enough already know the deal.
So if I'm understanding you, you can see several ways in which a vote-to-kick feature can be abused.... but don't think it will be abused at all in STO. Curious.
There's still that chance of it happening, to AFKers and Griefers, it's a powerful tool in the wrong hands. I've only kicked a player once from a team, that is because he was being stupid.
for a vote kick to work, you have to have a valid reason.
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Did you not read my post? I just love it when someone flames your post without even reading the whole thing. The only responce that comes to mind for your comment is: Umm... Duhh!!
I read it then... Just read it again...
The claim that "ignoreing" an AFK'er will make you never be teamed with them again is still false.
So I assume the "Umm... Duhh!!" was aimed at yourself for making a false statement?
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
No but something like this should not be put in because it can affect a persons game play very easily. I have seen in TOR alone how it can be abused very easily.
Going from what I saw in WoW back when I played, without question it'd be abused.
Not moving fast enough, vote-kick. Don't like someone's gear, vote-kick. Want to cut down on who'll roll on loot, vote-kick. That's just stuff I remember seeing off the top of my head. It'd end up with more people upset on the forums over abuse of the vote-kick system.
Be prepared to get flamed by AFK'ers who don't like this idea, and will claim it will be abused.
Not everyone who thinks this is a bad idea is an AFK'er. Some of us are just more aware than others that giving players the ability to kick or vote to kick others is going to cause a new level of griefing and trolling.
It won't be used just for the people who have gone AFK. It will be used against anyone that the group doesn't like. Say you're running an STF and you tell the team how to run it (politely, without calling them names). They disagree and immediately vote to kick you because they don't want to run it that way.
Experienced players will kick newbies out of the PvE match they're running rather than trying to teach them. Newbies will kick out experienced players because they'll have been taught that all experienced players are jackasses who don't want to play with them.
You might think none of that would ever happen, but all you have to do is go play a game that does have the feature.
Naming and shaming is not the best way of doing things, I don't take sides and I am looking at this from a strictly neutral position. Here are the cons and pros
The cons,
The kick button is too easily abused, I do have an example from a different game but it'll serve a point. On Rome Total War, I joined a no rules game and a made a unconventional all cavalry army of cataphracts and horse archers. The host kicked me because I was on the point of beating him, mainly because I was killing him from a distance and not attacking head on.
That is a clear abuse of the kick button. It's just an example.
Now imagine that someone gets jealous of a particular ship build in a stf, they could get childish about it and kick that player, any chance is that they could decide maybe I'll grief a few teams today for the lolz. Players like that are no good to the rest of us.
the pros,
A kick button would get rid of leechers and greifers, it could work if used judiciously, the way being would be to have a vote on the matter, and you have to give a good reason for kicking an individual from a team.
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Respectfully my experiences have been different. I played CoH for 8 years where they had their own kick feature (the team leader was the only one that could kick), and while it's true there were the occasional jerks that kicked someone for no good reason, encountering them an uncommon occurrence.
This feature exists here in STO... for premade teams.
Simple, no coding solution that you can put into effect right now... don't queue... use existing channels to create teams. Can I vouch for every channel's level of expertise, no... could there be griefers? yes... trolls? yes... AFK'ers Rare for 2 reasons.... 1 Team lead can kick (this only works if you form a team, then go (cross faction wont work (iirc)).
and 2) (even if doing Private matches with no kick option), is that as you join the teams building... add those players who don't meet your game style, as long as YOU are forming teams... and post your LFxM message in channel... you will not see their response, and there fore you wouldn't add them to your team.
Not a single line of code needs changed, and you can implement it right now, and immediately enhance your enjoyment of the game.
Whenever i get an AFKer I simply unplug my router and wait until the mission is over. No leaver penalty that way, and said douchebag doesn't get a reward from my efforts. Everyone should do this.
Just like the OP I too am getting tired of having to pull dead weight around with me in some of the Content that I play.
There are quite a few things in STO that I still PUG because most of my Fleet Mates will only Team for Elite STF?s or PVP matches.
Mind Trap and CE are a nightmare when you get a couple of Leechers just sitting around waiting for you to finish the run for them.
Cryptic seems reluctant or unwilling to implement a vote to kick option into STO but perhaps they'd be willing to create and option that would allow players who are currently teamed to disband the team while running the mission or what have you and removing un-teamed players from the content after 60 seconds.
What I'm getting at with the above:
Say a squad has a Leecher, the team members could Disband the Team and reassemble it omitting the Leach and then after 60 seconds that un-teamed leach would be removed from the instanced.
The Remaining Team members could click the Request Reinforcements button to pull in another player that's qued for that mission.
Sure what I've suggested might be a bit more convoluted than a simple vote to kick option; however, there's a lot less potential for abuse due to the steps involved.
That's potentially opening the door to someone being pulled into an event at the very end, firing one or two shots, then getting the reward for barely participating. For this amount of effort, your time is better spent forming your own teams IMO.
That's potentially opening the door to someone being pulled into an event at the very end, firing one or two shots, then getting the reward for barely participating. For this amount of effort, your time is better spent forming your own teams IMO.
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Did you not read my post? I just love it when someone flames your post without even reading the whole thing. The only responce that comes to mind for your comment is: Umm... Duhh!!
If folks are (AFK'ers), pm them in the op and threaten to report them.
Naming Individual playes yes. Your fleet not so much. As we all know from EXPERENCE your group would be all over the vote kick feature like a dog on a bone. Just look what you guys do in PVP arena currently with the YOLO TRIBBLE. If you had a feature like that you would exploit it to the fullest.
It can and will be abused. Absolutely no.
CRUISERS NEED A 206% HULL BUFF
No but something like this should not be put in because it can affect a persons game play very easily. I have seen in TOR alone how it can be abused very easily.
CRUISERS NEED A 206% HULL BUFF
There's still that chance of it happening, to AFKers and Griefers, it's a powerful tool in the wrong hands. I've only kicked a player once from a team, that is because he was being stupid.
for a vote kick to work, you have to have a valid reason.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
I read it then... Just read it again...
The claim that "ignoreing" an AFK'er will make you never be teamed with them again is still false.
So I assume the "Umm... Duhh!!" was aimed at yourself for making a false statement?
Going from what I saw in WoW back when I played, without question it'd be abused.
Not moving fast enough, vote-kick. Don't like someone's gear, vote-kick. Want to cut down on who'll roll on loot, vote-kick. That's just stuff I remember seeing off the top of my head. It'd end up with more people upset on the forums over abuse of the vote-kick system.
Not everyone who thinks this is a bad idea is an AFK'er. Some of us are just more aware than others that giving players the ability to kick or vote to kick others is going to cause a new level of griefing and trolling.
It won't be used just for the people who have gone AFK. It will be used against anyone that the group doesn't like. Say you're running an STF and you tell the team how to run it (politely, without calling them names). They disagree and immediately vote to kick you because they don't want to run it that way.
Experienced players will kick newbies out of the PvE match they're running rather than trying to teach them. Newbies will kick out experienced players because they'll have been taught that all experienced players are jackasses who don't want to play with them.
You might think none of that would ever happen, but all you have to do is go play a game that does have the feature.
The cons,
The kick button is too easily abused, I do have an example from a different game but it'll serve a point. On Rome Total War, I joined a no rules game and a made a unconventional all cavalry army of cataphracts and horse archers. The host kicked me because I was on the point of beating him, mainly because I was killing him from a distance and not attacking head on.
That is a clear abuse of the kick button. It's just an example.
Now imagine that someone gets jealous of a particular ship build in a stf, they could get childish about it and kick that player, any chance is that they could decide maybe I'll grief a few teams today for the lolz. Players like that are no good to the rest of us.
the pros,
A kick button would get rid of leechers and greifers, it could work if used judiciously, the way being would be to have a vote on the matter, and you have to give a good reason for kicking an individual from a team.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
This feature exists here in STO... for premade teams.
Simple, no coding solution that you can put into effect right now... don't queue... use existing channels to create teams. Can I vouch for every channel's level of expertise, no... could there be griefers? yes... trolls? yes... AFK'ers Rare for 2 reasons.... 1 Team lead can kick (this only works if you form a team, then go (cross faction wont work (iirc)).
and 2) (even if doing Private matches with no kick option), is that as you join the teams building... add those players who don't meet your game style, as long as YOU are forming teams... and post your LFxM message in channel... you will not see their response, and there fore you wouldn't add them to your team.
Not a single line of code needs changed, and you can implement it right now, and immediately enhance your enjoyment of the game.
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We all know a votekick is going to be the no.1 griefing tool in this game
There are quite a few things in STO that I still PUG because most of my Fleet Mates will only Team for Elite STF?s or PVP matches.
Mind Trap and CE are a nightmare when you get a couple of Leechers just sitting around waiting for you to finish the run for them.
Cryptic seems reluctant or unwilling to implement a vote to kick option into STO but perhaps they'd be willing to create and option that would allow players who are currently teamed to disband the team while running the mission or what have you and removing un-teamed players from the content after 60 seconds.
What I'm getting at with the above:
Say a squad has a Leecher, the team members could Disband the Team and reassemble it omitting the Leach and then after 60 seconds that un-teamed leach would be removed from the instanced.
The Remaining Team members could click the Request Reinforcements button to pull in another player that's qued for that mission.
Sure what I've suggested might be a bit more convoluted than a simple vote to kick option; however, there's a lot less potential for abuse due to the steps involved.
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I bet my first born child. this one is a leecher