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    commadorebobcommadorebob Member Posts: 1,223 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    canis36 wrote: »
    What games do you play on 3DS?

    I have the following:
    Zelda: OoT
    SMB2
    Mario Kart 7
    Paper Mario: Sticker Star
    Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon

    Virtual Console Games
    Donkey Kong (Original Edition)
    SMB
    Castlevania
    Zelda
    Zelda II
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    voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Game randomly crashed for no reason that I can see. -.-

    What I was going to say was that I should try putting the Hyper-plasma torpedo launcher on my Defiant and load it up with five tactical plasma consoles. That would cause some nasty fire.
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    commadorebobcommadorebob Member Posts: 1,223 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I don't know which is more sad. The fact I was doing a search for "cat hierarchy" or that Bing suggested it after just "cat h".
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    voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I don't know which is more sad. The fact I was doing a search for "cat hierarchy" or that Bing suggested it after just "cat h".

    Lol... I want to say the latter. My reasoning is as follows:

    It's sad that so many people must be looking up cat hierarchy.
    It's not sad that you are because so many of said people are looking it up.
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    voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    If you contract and expand muscles attached to the optical cells on your face in a downward direction (in simple terms, look down), you will see that I am trying a new signature. The quote there is from a roleplay storyline, where Voporak disregards temporal regulations and such (a lot).

    The background picture of the Sovereign in the Azure Nebula is just a cropped screenshot I took yesterday during the fleet action. Y'know, saw someone's ship floating there, great photo op, so I got that nice pic. I made the thing myself in Windows picture editor, hence why it's basic (but I kinda like it that way, since too much would take away from the background pic).

    So I'm wondering if it's too pixelated or what naught.
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    commadorebobcommadorebob Member Posts: 1,223 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Here is my draft Rank update.
    THIS HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED AND IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE!!!!!!

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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Here is my draft Rank update.
    THIS HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED AND IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE!!!!!!
    all i can say is, that promotion per character thing had better NOT get approved, or i will not be putting any further characters in FSF; not if i have to go through all that 2 month BS a second time
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    commadorebobcommadorebob Member Posts: 1,223 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    all i can say is, that promotion per character thing had better NOT get approved, or i will not be putting any further characters in FSF; not if i have to go through all that 2 month BS a second time

    It may still be dropped. Like I said, this is a first draft. I may decide keeping up with individual characters is a pain.
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    valenn1valenn1 Member Posts: 842 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Maybe the beta shadowcat requirement (tha accolade part) should be changed to a certain amount of accolade points instead?
    This is a more testimonial evidence about how often and how successfull (not to mention:commitment) a char is played.

    Otherwise i'm fine with it.
    Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
    unfortunately:

    NOT LOYAL ENOUGH!!!
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    tazurensavulentazurensavulen Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Honestly, I'm not sure about the Honor Guard Elite Commander Accolade being a requirement. that is quite a painful accolade to get. Especially for those that have a hard time getting dil. The 1mil FC I can cope with, but again, not sure about that accolade. Plus there are some of us that don't much care for that accolade.
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    lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Now, to give you something special for The Canelow! :D
    voporak wrote: »
    So I'm wondering if it's too pixelated or what naught.
    No. Actually, I quite like the photo. My problem is that I cannot make out the words. If you have a link to the photo itself, I can remedy this problem for you. Just give me the photo itself, without the words, and also tell me what font you wish to have used.
    voporak wrote: »
    What I was going to say was that I should try putting the Hyper-plasma torpedo launcher on my Defiant and load it up with five tactical plasma consoles. That would cause some nasty fire.
    Don't forget about the Romulan consoles you get from the Embassy. If you need XII, then I can just invite you to Forsaken Black Ops Embassy again.
    Promotion to Elite has always been at the discretion of the Masters. The two month minimum was just that, a minimum. It was never intended to be an automatic promotion.
    I understand that, but the content of what was posted in chat did not say anything like this. And all who saw are in agreement on this. What was posted was basically saying that no matter what his standing with the fleet, he would never get his promotion! I am glad you caught the error, and tried to explain what you meant. But what matters is how the post was worded at the point of posting.

    In addition, I know you were working on the email when this happened, but the fact of the matter is, the request was minutes BEFORE the email went out. This means that the request was denied on reason that did not exist because no official posting had yet been made. 5 minutes might as well be an hour, which might as well be a day or a week. In a profession setting, as well as in a legal setting, changes are not put into effect until the signs actually go up. If no sign exists, the law does not exist either, so no one can be legally arrested for violating a law that was never posted. Not only is this wrong, it is just not professional. Had this taken place AFTER the email went out, then I would support the matter of suspending Murrshan's promotion, and holding off for the other fellow's promotion. But until the email goes out, I proceed as normally, and Murrshan is still perfectly eligible.

    I know I am not going to win any popularity points with the higher-ups, but when you worked in Human Resources Department like I have, you don't have the luxury of candy-coating things. You have to deal with the issue on a case by case basis, and get right to work. And in this case, what was posted really looked more like a snub to anyone due for a promotion. With all due respect to bob, if this was given to me in a professional setting, I would take the side of the employee. If he was told that he was just simply never be promoted, no matter what his standing in the company, I would do what I could to get him that promotion, give him compensation, and full restitution if anything was taken away.

    That said, if I were a Master, I would have given Murrshan the promotion because I have yet to see anything negative from him, he has fulfilled the time requirement, and he asked politely (VERY important). After that, I would have invited that other guy back, and given him his full promotion to Elite. Even if he was a week early, what was posting in chat was more than enough to justify his anger, and promoting him to Elite is the least that could be done to make up for the grievances involved.

    Now what I need to know from you, Bob (specifically), is were you successful in getting that fellow's @handle? If so, were you successful in explaining what you meant to say, then explaining the reasons and ongoing situation behind it? If not, then this needs to get done within the next day. If you were, and he still refuses to return, I will let the matter drop. I will say is that we need to prevent such things from happening in the first place by checking our wording BEFORE posting something in chat, and by not denying someone because of a change in policy until AFTER the fleet-wide emails about that policy go out. Until the fleet-wide emails go out, everything should proceed as we normally do.
    But until the new system is in place, all promotions are on hold. That is to make it easier to implement as almost all cats will be "demoted" in the current system in order to make room for the new ranks. But earned privileges will be kept.
    The Specialist Ranks are really quite redundant, even though they are all different bonuses in the Fleet Bank. Plus, I have encountered a few who could not decide what speciality to which they wished for me to promote them. One person actually went so far as he just flipped a coin!
    all I can say is, that promotion per character thing had better NOT get approved, or i will not be putting any further characters in FSF; not if I have to go through all that 2 month BS a second time
    It is like grinding the Reputation system. Suroo is T5 in both, but I cannot be motivated in any way into grinding Reputation for either of my other characters. So, why bother with waiting another 2 months to get (insert alt character) to the same rank as Suroo? It is me, and you know it is me, so why treat both characters like separate people?

    As for the 180 day requirement? I think the phrase "180 days" should be gotten rid of. I myself just now had to Google a calculator for that. Just say "6 months," or whatever 180 days happens to be. It does not need to be so confusing. Seriously, does someone have a calculator to count the days? Some months have 31 days, the rest only have 30. February has 28, except on leap year. So really, let's say months, and leave it at that. If you joined on the 1st of September, your promotion day is November 1st. 6 months from there is March 1st. Problem solved.

    As for the Fleet Bank, the withdraw limit for crafting stuff is very low. That is combined with that it never gets used anyway, and they could get put to good use toward the Special Project that requires them. It would give good Fleet Credit, and provide a quick boost to Credits if someone needs them.

    And Special Items being 0 per day? That can stay at 1 per day because nothing is ever in that tab anyway except for absolute LOADS of lock boxes, and the occasional Contraband.
    Honestly, I'm not sure about the Honour Guard Elite Commander Accolade being a requirement. that is quite a painful accolade to get. Especially for those that have a hard time getting dil. The 1mil FC I can cope with, but again, not sure about that accolade. Plus there are some of us that don't much care for that accolade.
    Or those who have used the Honour Guard stuff, and will never be persuaded to buy the XII version. I know this from personal experiences. I was just so lucky enough to get my XII set from the old Prototype Tech drops, and I know first-hand that it is inferior to the Fleet Pulsewaves. Of course, Suroo can EngiTank, but he NEEDS TO just to make up for the simple fact that he does less damage than the Fleet Pulsewaves, even with the grenades. Winston uses the ghostbuster gun and Elite Fleet Pulsewave, and he is far more effective than Suroo. To be honest, the one only reason to get the full Honour Guard set is the instant remodulation ability. Apart from that, worthless. I already cannot be persuaded to grind Reputation for Winston, so I certainly am not going to give him a full (armour/shield/weapon) set.




    /end grumpy wall of text
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    loukocloukoc Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    lindaleff wrote: »

    I am honoured. That plane (small that can fly low and kinda slow) is the only plane I would like to have and my fear of heights wouldn't bother me while in it. I also like the background a lot. Awesome picture!

    Also, somebody commented already!
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    tazurensavulentazurensavulen Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    loukoc wrote: »
    I am honoured. That plane (small that can fly low and kinda slow) is the only plane I would like to have and my fear of heights wouldn't bother me while in it. I also like the background a lot. Awesome picture!!

    Can.......I take you up in a Space Shuttle?
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    [06/16 11:51] [Combat (Self)] Your Advanced Dual Heavy Radiant Antiproton Cannons - Hypercharge deals 237970 (113626) Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Tactical Cube.
    AHAHAHA! Eat it Borg!
    [09/15 11:01] [Combat (Self)] You lose 12187085 Cold Damage from Death.
    Death is OP, please nerf. I BLAME KURLAND FOR THIS!
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    lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Seeing my home planet from orbit! Now that would be fun! :D
    loukoc wrote: »
    ......and my fear of heights wouldn't bother me while in it.
    Don't worry about that. Cats always land on their feet, so even if the plane did crash, you could jump out, and be perfectly fine!
    loukoc wrote: »
    Awesome picture!
    Thank you very much! It makes me so dearly long to return to Hawaii!
    loukoc wrote: »
    Also, somebody commented already!
    So? Post a comment yourself! :D
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    loukocloukoc Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    lindaleff wrote: »
    Don't worry about that. Cats always land on their feet, so even if the plane did crash, you could jump out, and be perfectly fine!

    What if it crashed at sea? Us cats are afraid of water!
    lindaleff wrote: »
    So? Post a comment yourself! :D

    It's not that, I'm just amazed at the speed of some people. :cool:

    Besides, I'm not an artist so I don't wanna make a DeviantArt account just to comment...
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    lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    loukoc wrote: »
    What if it crashed at sea? Us cats are afraid of water!
    Not true of all cats!
    See this!
    And this!
    And this!
    Tigers in particular love water!
    Here too!
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    loukocloukoc Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    lindaleff wrote: »

    Kawaii! Okay then most cats (including me) don't like water!

    On a completely unrelated note I found my new desktop!

    It's so sad and yet so beautifully made...
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    lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    My desktop is this! But really, you all expected that from me......:D
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    loukocloukoc Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    lindaleff wrote: »
    My desktop is this! :D

    Hmm it's kinda weird and grey but I like it!
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    lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I also use this one! Aviation! :D
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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    loukoc wrote: »
    Hmm it's kinda weird and grey but I like it!
    it's an ice storm, it supposed to be grey...:rolleyes:
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    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
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    loukocloukoc Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    it's an ice storm, it supposed to be grey...:rolleyes:

    I know, I know, I just don't like ice storms and grey stuff (most of the time, that pic is an exception)
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    ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I love the name of the first new suggested rank. I do not agree with the per character thing though. What's the purpose of that? As Suroo said, why would you have to go through the whole song and dance again if you already have earned that rank on one cat?
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    commadorebobcommadorebob Member Posts: 1,223 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    valenn1 wrote: »
    Maybe the beta shadowcat requirement (tha accolade part) should be changed to a certain amount of accolade points instead?
    This is a more testimonial evidence about how often and how successfull (not to mention:commitment) a char is played.

    Otherwise i'm fine with it.

    Good. I wasn't happy with the accolade requirement but I needed something else to show fleet involvement. Suggestions are welcome.
    lindaleff wrote: »
    Now what I need to know from you, Bob (specifically), is were you successful in getting that fellow's @handle? If so, were you successful in explaining what you meant to say, then explaining the reasons and ongoing situation behind it?

    I was able to get in touch with that individual and take full responsibility for the matter. He has promised to come back after a brief cooling down period and when he returns he will be restored to his previous post.

    lindaleff wrote: »
    As for the 180 day requirement? I think the phrase "180 days" should be gotten rid of. I myself just now had to Google a calculator for that. Just say "6 months," or whatever 180 days happens to be. It does not need to be so confusing. Seriously, does someone have a calculator to count the days?


    I use a spreadsheet to track everyone. EligibleForElite=DateJoin+180

    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    I love the name of the first new suggested rank. I do not agree with the per character thing though. What's the purpose of that? As Suroo said, why would you have to go through the whole song and dance again if you already have earned that rank on one cat?

    As stated before, this is a first draft and nothing is set in stone.

    That being said let my paint a picture:
    • Guy joins fleet.
    • Guy makes it to Lead Hunter (Elite)
    • Guy gets access to Fleet Store
    • Guy creates five more cats
    • Guy wipes out our provisions
    • Guy leaves fleet

    At least if each character had to make it to Lead Hunter (Elite) then there would be some protection.
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    ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Perhaps some sort of system could be put in place. Say they must have a Master or cat right below Master with them when they want to do it on another character. That cat would have to be temporarily promoted of course. But at least the Master or higher-up was there to watch provision numbers.

    Let me know if that's a start because this would really hurt the good cats who have worked a long time on the base.
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    sirepicalsirepical Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    In general I like the new system idea, needs some tweaking but I don't have time to come up with a huge specific post. The per character thing would be a little frustrating for some, but I do understand the thing with provisions.

    I, personally, don't care whether promotions are per character or per account since the only Ferasan I really play is The 1st anyway.
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    captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I never liked the overall structure of ranks, and some of the bank restrictions are kind of odd so making some changes is fine with me. However there are several points I dont like.

    First, we have always set ourselves as a casual fleet. I dont feel that we should set targets too steep. I would remove the accolade restriction, or set it up so there are two duplicate ranks, and one is purely for show. so no one is disadvantaged by not being able to get the accolade but someone can use it as 'bragging rights'.

    Two, i dont agree with the per character thing. There is a small chance that someone can abuse it, but it is very small. For someone to start cleaning us out of items and provisions they would have to be a huge amount of work in on one character, let alone add resources to several others, and for what? to leave the fleet with a few items in hand. We have plenty of resources and they would have lost the fleet. I would not worry about per character at all. It will hurt the fleet by annoying people more than it will ever harm us.

    I think the important thing is make it fun, an give people something to aim for, but dont make it too stuffy with rules and regulations.
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    loukocloukoc Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I will have to agree with First, I only play one Ferasan so I don't really care if promotions are character or account-wide. However, since most people here have many alts it would be an inconvenience. Perhaps there could be a system like a promotion "unlock", where once you "unlock" the next rank you can have one character at that rank and choose to upgrade the others if you wish to a rank lower than the one your main has. Also, if you wish, you could ask a master to switch your highest promotion between chars once every 7 days (the prev char would be demoted though) But that's probably too confusing so do w/e you like. However if somebody works hard to earn a promotion I doubt they'll betray us, FSF is a very likeable fleet and I, at least, enjoy my time in it.

    Also, I changed my wallpaper again. That art I posted before was nice but not as nice as this!

    You can never have too much Inazuma Eleven and Afuro (blonde guy), Nagumo (red-haired guy) and Suzuno (white-haired guy) in the same pic are just too awesome to pass up. (as hard as it is for you to believe, all 3 are guys and all 3 are in my team in the game)

    Edit: Sweet heebadeebajeebies! Revo made a new mission that I noticed only now! *plays*
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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    loukoc wrote: »
    Revo made a new mission that I noticed only now! *plays*
    what, where?! where's a new mission?!!! i must play it!!!!!!!
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    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
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    loukocloukoc Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    what, where?! where's a new mission?!!! i must play it!!!!!!!

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