Force Stealth Nerf

Just wanna start by saying this isnt a QQ thread. I wasn't owned by a sin 10min ago and decided to come to forums to complain. I'm just simply making this poll to see what the general census is on Force Stealth.

NOTE: the second option for poll doesn't mean that you don't get owned by sins, but that it's hard for you TO own sins because of force stealth.

Shadow Escape (Force Stealth)
Force yourself into stealth. Increases stealth lvl by 10. Cost 15 mana a second. Gain one spark.


For many, this skill screams OP. With stealth, you can choose when your battles will begin, and with force stealth, you can decide when they end. Although many have made the argument that sins would be a OP class without stealth to get the first attack, that's not what this post is about. This post is about force stealthing, and how it can make a bad situation into a safe one. I understand that stealth is part of being an assassin; by definition you should be able to sneak up on, and -assasinate- your oponent.

But force stealth is crossing a line. Not only is it unfair that at any time you can say, "fights over, bye," or "I'm gonna wait out your genie skills and apoth so I can easily take you out," but it's also very un-assassin like. In history, a failed attempt at assassination almost always led to the assassin getting killed. Historically, there was no "force stealth" for them to disapear from infront of the enemies eyes so they could try again in 5minutes.
NOTE: alot of you have been getting hung up on the historical argument. Don't let that take away from the real one (that assassins shouldnt be able to run whenever they want)

So here's my suggestions (btw, I only want one suggestion implemented, because more than one would probally be too much)

Suggestion one: give the "increase stealth lvl by X" effect a 10sec timer, and make it "increase opponents awareness lvl by XX" for 3min. Why is that? Because if somebody just tried to assinate you, don't you think you'd be a little more wary of another attack? If possible, the skill could be individual specific, so that having a sin friend force stealth on you wouldnt raise your awareness lvl so you could see ALL sins.

Suggestion two: Have a cast time for the force stealth skill. Make it so the skill can't be interupted, but it takes afew seconds to cast. This does afew things: 1 being, it gives the assassin an escape route like they had before, BUT it will require some forethought and skill to use it correctly. Another thing it does, is it gives people a chance to finish the sin off. Once again, the sin must think ahead, and pick battles that they can actually win. Atm a problem is that 7X sins will attack 9X robes because even if the attempt fails, they cant be 1 shotted, and they can always force stealth. But now, they must fight it out, and a 5second cast time would make it suicidal to attack someone that many levels higher (as it is for EVERY SINGLE CLASS besides sins).

Suggestion three: Another possible change, although probably not one any sins would like:
Attacks for x amount of time after leaving force stealth deal 50% less damage/the first attack will not stun/seal/sleep the target. (x would not be a long duration, simply long enough to prevent the sin force stealthing to waste an opponent's survival skills/spark/etc and then unstealth and kill them easily).- thought of by Shadowfire

Suggestion four:
I think that certain AoEs should not require a target. Any magical AoE that is centered around the user should work without one (ex. Siren's Kiss, Aqua Cannon). And certain melee skills like Heaven's Flame also don't appear to need one - so why should they? This would allow Shadow Escape to be used 100% in PvE situations, where especially lower assassins depend on it. But it also gives a realistic and reasonable means for other classes to defend themselves and kill their assassins.-brought up by Euphy (as she stated, this is an old idea she just reposted :P)

Suggestion 5:
Keep all skills the same for sins...
Just make stealth consume chi (I'm thinking like 5 chi per second maybe? That's still 20 seconds per chi bar)
It gets rid of the easy "perma-stealth", it makes perfect sense of shadow escape to give a spark (20 seconds of stealth to run away) and it makes sense for all the other ridiculous chi gaining skills for sins. Sin isn't knocked out of stealth when chi runs out.- thought of by ElderSig

Suggestion 6:
Whomever was attacked should be able to see the sin for x amount of time after they force stealth. I think that would be appropriate and not be considered a nerf. I mean, if someone is attacking you and you're engaged in actual combat, your awareness should be higher than someone not currently engaged in combat. Let the sin immediately disappear to anyone around them but slowly fade away to the person who was attacked would work for me. -thought of by Michael_dark

Suggestion 7:
Create a new OP class that can see assassin while it is in stealth. -thought of by PWI Devs

May edit post with more ideas/corrections later on. For now, tell me what you think. Trolls will be ignored. This isnt a flame thread either. I don't wanna see any fish racism.

One last note: I'm not complaining about sins being a broken overpowered class. The fact of the matter is, they are a NEW class. And as with anything new (especially with PWIb:shutup) there are going to be some quirks to work out. I know some people say that we just need to find a way to handle them, but I don't see any way to beat force stealth b:surrender