Restoring the balance of power.

heartless888 wrote: »

theyll rush us with the giant 80 people zerg,

I am a nef member and think it is highly incorrect for you to label us all as you see fit. You do not know all the members currently in nef and have no right to cast judgment on us.
Also as for your little "zerg" nickname, it doesn't even have anything with this game, if you like Starcraft THAT much then return to it with your nasty little insults. If you are really that bent out of shape even after your faction had made a win, what are you going to do if they loose abandon it? Not trying to accuse, just making a statement about your bad attitude, and history.
Play to win and if you can't come back and try, try again.

Nishtara - Sanctuary wrote: »

I second this motion.

Make me.

Or better yet, prove your point rather than get defensive and offensive.

heartless888 wrote: »

no, people who left nef didnt have their opinions change, its called drama, i am fairly sure everyone in sepp does not like the idea of a zerg guild, hence why they ended up leaving, they didnt like a zerg guild to begin with, just that the guild itself wasnt always a big 200 zerg guild, was it? when it become that way, it sucked, simple as that, but thats irrelevent, since i was talking about forums and only forums

How can you say opinions didn't change? If you say it wasn't those who left for Sepp who changed opinions, then to you, those in Nef who stayed changed theirs?

Sepp and Nef aside, do you honestly believe people's opinions do not change?

heartless888 wrote: »

there is no point proving anything to anyone around here, even if some people DO proves the other party wrong, the former will STILL claim the're right, which is my point, and you do not agree, therefore us replying to eachothers only serves as funny things to read with a morning coffee before goign to work, you wont ever agree if you didnt in the first place, just like i said in my previous post, now you might wanna call this providing arguments, facts and proofs or whatever you like, we STILL wont agree, so, lets have some more fun wasting our time shall we?

If there is no point in proving anything to anyone on the forums, why was this thread here in the first place. Obviously it was with the intent of getting people to share the same view and I would think that a debate to allow an opportunity to sway more people to this view would be welcome.

If you think this is a waste of your time, then why are you here? Obviously you either enjoy wasting time or you just wish to say your piece. What is the point of coming to the forums and posting to tell others not to waste their time posting?! lol

heartless888 wrote: »

as for tomorrow, same thing will happen, theyll have more than twice our numbers, theyll rush us with the giant 80 people zerg, itll be over fast and nef will be like *aww, but i wanted a 3 hour fight!!!!* riiiiiiiiight

Let's see if I get this right...part of 'zerg' means to rush through and get the win, doesn't matter if there is no fun in it? Apologies, still not very clear on what zerg means.

If what I think is correct, please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the main point of TW to win? Having fun doing it is a bonus but surely the aim is to win? If PvP fun is what you guys are after, just go PvP other players? or organise a friendly TW?

Also, I'm curious as to why Nef owning 12 land (or thereabouts) is such a big concern when that is like 30% of the lands in the map? Is it because they happen to own the most or because their lands are in red? 30% isn't really a figure to be worried about yet is it?

bzbee wrote: »

If what I think is correct, please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the main point of TW to win? Having fun doing it is a bonus but surely the aim is to win? If PvP fun is what you guys are after, just go PvP other players? or organise a friendly TW?

Also, I'm curious as to why Nef owning 12 land (or thereabouts) is such a big concern when that is like 30% of the lands in the map? Is it because they happen to own the most or because their lands are in red? 30% isn't really a figure to be worried about yet is it?

yes, having FUN in a video GAME is a bonus, you totally got me there....



but no seriously, friendly TW? with who, newsflash, the only faction we can attack atm is yes you guessed it, nef, so how many nefs wants a friendly TW for 3 hours?



i didnt think so ^_^



and let me help you about grasping what i mean by zerg, after all its best if you get the meaning soon because it is used alot



its simple. basically a *zerg* is a giant mob of alot of people who brainlessly just attacks something nonstop until it falls, that generally wins due to its bigger numbers, not strategy or fairness or skills or anything, basically, its just pilling up on something until you win, which is exactly what nef did 2 weeks ago, which is whats NORMAL and to be EXPECTED from 80 people against barely 25-30ish, i am not saying anything bad about that, just that it is boring as hell for everyone, members of a zerg are called zergglings. a pawn that could be replaced by the next guy of the same lvlish that would not make the slightest diference if he was there or not, and that my friend is how you feel in nef, dont get me wrong, most people like it, love it and enjoy the nice paycheck, for some other people it gets old, boring and you do not get the feeling of satisfaction out of anything



as for me loving to waste my time, isnt that just stating the obvious? ^_^ this is forums :P it means jack **** and is here for random people to rant off, sadly


and to be frank i probably wont post here again from tomorrow onwards but right now, i am bored and watching movies XD



PS i am sorry if i offend any zergglings errrmm, nef members, if you do not want to be labled as that then well, guess you just gotta wait until you fight someone with your own numbers guild vs guild where numbers does not mean everything and you have to actually think, but until then when you got over twice the numbers in a fight and ALL i see is a giant blob on the mini map youll have to bear with it, it is what you are ^_^

this is nothing more than a personal vendetta.

Quoted for truth.

its simple. basically a *zerg* is a giant mob of alot of people who brainlessly just attacks something nonstop until it falls, that generally wins due to its bigger numbers, not strategy or fairness or skills or anything, basically, its just pilling up on something until you win, which is exactly what nef did 2 weeks ago, which is whats NORMAL and to be EXPECTED from 80 people against barely 25-30ish, i am not saying anything bad about that, just that it is boring as hell for everyone, members of a zerg are called zergglings. a pawn that could be replaced by the next guy of the same lvlish that would not make the slightest diference if he was there or not, and that my friend is how you feel in nef, dont get me wrong, most people like it, love it and enjoy the nice paycheck, for some other people it gets old, boring and you do not get the feeling of satisfaction out of anything

How is that any different of what seppuku did today and 2 weeks ago?

Rushed main path with all your forces leaving base undefended (and without building towers or so i heard).
Wasnt this what happened? Then i have to ask again about it for the 3 different people that told me why seppuku lost that day.

PS: Not building towers isnt smart.

bzbee wrote: »

That is precisely what I am getting from this thread and despite numerous prompts to provide supportive evidence of their stated intent, I have only seen more reasons to believe this is nothing more than a personal vendetta.

^

but again, against who? nef keeps losing so many members and recruiting so many new members, i bet you im not the only one when i say we dont know who the hell is in nef anymore, just sasaki, which is hard to hold any grudges against when he catshops 10 hours a day, bid on TW and show up for them then log off, you cant hate on a phantom yo can you?

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

Quoted for truth.


How is that any different of what seppuku did today and 2 weeks ago?

Rushed main path with all your forces leaving base undefended (and without building towers or so i heard).
Wasnt this what happened? Then i have to ask again about it for the 3 different people that told me why seppuku lost that day.

PS: Not building towers isnt smart.

i also heard that barrack obama was white



as for the rest of what you said, i could tell you anything right now and you would STILL disagree or call me a liar, right? so i rest my case

i also heard that barrack obama was white

as for the rest of what you said, i could tell you anything right now and you would STILL disagree or call me a liar, right? so i rest my case

And i could say anything and you would still come with baseless arguments, right?




Tip #1 for trolling on a forum: Get your facts straight.

@heartless888

It would seem to me that your hostility is towards the leader of Nef and perhaps some of the more longstanding members.

Why then do you feel the need to trash the new members, people whom you claim you do not know?

Surely you are mature enough to know that these people are here in PW to enjoy their game and have done nothing to deserve your hostility other than join a guild which you happen to hate?

Seriously, if you think that forums are only for when you are bored but yet can direct such hostility towards pixels in a game, you are more bored than you think.

Yes, those strangers are pixels in a game to you since you do not know them at all.

heartless888 wrote: »

dayum, we are more nef than nef itself ever was!!!! hows that for twisted ******** ^_^

How is that possible? To be more Nef than Nef ever was if Nef was never that Nef in the first place? @_@

Boggles the mind.

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

And i could say anything and you would still come with baseless arguments, right?




Tip #1 for trolling on a forum: Get your facts straight.

tsss dude no no no NO! *hits your head* you got it all wrong, the very basic of trolling is NONESENSE, how can you even think about getting your facts straight? are you out of your mind, you need some more internet exp imho

I couldn't laugh any harder. Seriously, losing one land has really gotten to u guys huh? Maybe just u... Got to say, not very stable XD

I just joined nef and i dont give a **** about your personal vendetta, so that last statement does not hit me at all.
I have a friend on seppuku and your guys little quarrel never got between our friendship.

Regardless of that, the first people to post here to say "80x40 isnt fair" after today's TW were from seppuku, not nefarious.


Good luck tomorrow.

tsss dude no no no NO! *hits your head* you got it all wrong, the very basic of trolling is NONESENSE, how can you even think about getting your facts straight? are you out of your mind, you need some more internet exp imho

Gotcha, thanks for the examples, i have plenty of material to study now.

bzbee wrote: »

@heartless888

It would seem to me that your hostility is towards the leader of Nef and perhaps some of the more longstanding members.

Why then do you feel the need to trash the new members, people whom you claim you do not know?

Surely you are mature enough to know that these people are here in PW to enjoy their game and have done nothing to deserve your hostility other than join a guild which you happen to hate?

Seriously, if you think that forums are only for when you are bored but yet can direct such hostility towards pixels in a game, you are more bored than you think.

Yes, those strangers are pixels in a game to you since you do not know them at all.

true enough, i do not have the right to bash people i do not know, i do not belitle the PLAYERS but rather, their roles as a guild member of a zerg guild, no personal attacks or anything (unless you call THAT personal)


as for me hating on sasaki, i cant, i dont know the guy, what i do know is how you feel in his guild, i do not agree with how he runs the guild, and i am far from being the only one, after all, look at sepp, look at nemesis now, i dont think anyone *hates* sasaki, hes ok and cant say i ever saw him say anything bad against any guilds when i was around, i just do not like the feeling his guild gives when you're in, i like beign in a guild where i KNOW the people im with, and i left nef simply because 1 zergging stuff is boring and at the end i barely knew anyone in there but like 3 people, and i really REALLY HATED that out of 200 people, when there was 80+ online, atleast 40 of them (im not even joking here...) never said a single word in chat, did that make me wanna attack nef? not at all, like i said in a previous post, sepp was not the guild to start any ingame attacks on nef, we DEFENDED ourselves and tonight we took OURish (wasnt always ours) land back


so no, i do not have anything against sasaki as a pserson/player, i have nothing againt nef members as players, but i sure dislike the zergging around and the fact that he never tells anyone anything about guild plans but like i already said, that wouldnt make me or any of us WANT to attack nef, because we know it just isnt fun, yes for some to win is fune, hell, its fun to win for everyone, but can you honestly you you get any fun in 8 minutes TWs? or TWs where NOBODY shows up to fight you? yes, yes you won, was that fun? ^_^

heartless888 wrote: »

true enough, i do not have the right to bash people i do not know, i do not belitle the PLAYERS but rather, their roles as a guild member of a zerg guild, no personal attacks or anything (unless you call THAT personal)


as for me hating on sasaki, i cant, i dont know the guy, what i do know is how you feel in his guild, i do not agree with how he runs the guild, and i am far from being the only one, after all, look at sepp, look at nemesis now, i dont think anyone *hates* sasaki, hes ok and cant say i ever saw him say anything bad against any guilds when i was around, i just do not like the feeling his guild gives when you're in, i like beign in a guild where i KNOW the people im with, and i left nef simply because 1 zergging stuff is boring and at the end i barely knew anyone in there but like 3 people, and i really REALLY HATED that out of 200 people, when there was 80+ online, atleast 40 of them (im not even joking here...) never said a single word in chat, did that make me wanna attack nef? not at all, like i said in a previous post, sepp was not the guild to start any ingame attacks on nef, we DEFENDED ourselves and tonight we took OURish (wasnt always ours) land back


so no, i do not have anything against sasaki as a pserson/player, i have nothing againt nef members as players, but i sure dislike the zergging around and the fact that he never tells anyone anything about guild plans but like i already said, that wouldnt make me or any of us WANT to attack nef, because we know it just isnt fun, yes for some to win is fune, hell, its fun to win for everyone, but can you honestly you you get any fun in 8 minutes TWs? or TWs where NOBODY shows up to fight you? yes, yes you won, was that fun? ^_^

But did you ever consider that just because you do not enjoy zergging, does not mean others don't?

Granted you had your reasons for disliking being in Nef but surely you did not expect everyone to share your view?

Is not liking the way a faction is run reason to be hostile towards a faction?

You did what you had to do, you left Nef. Why not just move on?

but i sure dislike the zergging

You dislike but its exactly what EVERY GUILD DOES. You guys "zerged" today against our small defense group, you guys zerged few weeks ago, and you guys zerged on all those lands you took from NWO or whoever the previous land owners were.
You complain that nefarious can hold the 80 people limit on a single battle, but were you on a similar position, you wouldnt be complaining.
Know the name of that? Jealousy. Also hypocrisy.
You are weaker? Then get stronger. No faction started as lv3 with 200 active members. Using that "but we want to stay small" bullcrap will not make you look any better than anyone here.

You want to fight on Territorial Wars and NOT get stronger so you can beat your enemies? Cry me a river.

But did you ever consider that just because you do not enjoy zergging, does not mean others don't?

Granted you had your reasons for disliking being in Nef but surely you did not expect everyone to share your view?

Is not liking the way a faction is run reason to be hostile towards a faction?

You did what you had to do, you left Nef. Why not just move on?

Words of wisdom.

I left MANY guilds in a small period of time, mostly of disastifaction with the leadership+officers.
Yet i do not bash any of them around, still have friends from one or another that i usually chat/squad with.

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

You dislike but its exactly what EVERY GUILD DOES. You guys "zerged" today against our small defense group, you guys zerged few weeks ago, and you guys zerged on all those lands you took from NWO or whoever the previous land owners were.
You complain that nefarious can hold the 80 people limit on a single battle, but were you on a similar position, you wouldnt be complaining.
Know the name of that? Jealousy. Also hypocrisy.
You are weaker? Then get stronger. No faction started as lv3 with 200 active members. Using that "but we want to stay small" bullcrap will not make you look any better than anyone here.

You want to fight on Territorial Wars and NOT get stronger so you can beat your enemies? Cry me a river.


Words of wisdom.

I left MANY guilds in a small period of time, mostly of disastifaction with the leadership+officers.
Yet i do not bash any of them around, still have friends from one or another that i usually chat/squad with.

oh yeah, NWO had more people than us and we had a 55 min and 45 min fight, totally zergged like CRAZY man! you should of seen that, us zerring the cyrstal without looking at anything else for 55 min straight with 4 cats.



if i was on a similiar position i wouldnt complain? last time i checked i WAS in that position i WAS in nef and i WAS part of the said zerg, yet oh whats that, oh thats right, i still left, so bite me teddy and call me fluffy