What are new clerics doing that is annoying all the old players?

YeIIowFox - Harshlands

I did have a level 8x cleric called /Fox\ that i worked on for a long time, I stopped playing for 2-3 months and have unfortunately forgot my password and there was an error with my email address when I made my account that prevents me from recovering/changing my password,(being the idiot I am i typed in .com instead of .co.uk when I typed in my email address at the account creation screen x.x) so i have had to create a new account and start again.
Most 'new clerics seem to prefer to create macros that use only AOE heals or they just spam all of their AOE heals one after the other when spamming IH onto members of the squad that require it is far more effective and wastes allot less MP.

SkogDyr - Lost City

The thing to remember about EPs is that we all have our own playing style.

For us who rolled an EP long before the fishies, we've had to relearn our roles in caves.

First, agro pong is worse now than ever, so more often than not, I'll spam chromo if I need to save the barb and a couple sins who go all Leroy Jenkins.

BB... well, it's a case by case basis... depends on the squad. But most of us "old timers" know not to BB if the barb needs to have a pure now and then.

RB, about useless anymore... how about an update on that one devs...

and imho,
any ep who doesn't have lvl 11 rez by the time they hit 100 is a fool.

If I had to say one thing that bugs me most about a few newer EPs, it's the lack of understanding heal agro. First thing I say to a barb is if they lure a hundred mobs towards me without a solid agro, Ill be back in a few to rez ya... cause you're gonna die, not me. b:chuckle

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YeIIowFox - Harshlands wrote: »

Most 'new clerics seem to prefer to create macros that use only AOE heals or they just spam all of their AOE heals one after the other when spamming IH onto members of the squad that require it is far more effective and wastes allot less MP.

How many different AoE heals can be put in a macro?

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SkogDyr - Lost City wrote: »

First, agro pong is worse now than ever, so more often than not, I'll spam chromo if I need to save the barb and a couple sins who go all Leroy Jenkins.

If a sin can't tank w/o heals; they shouldn't be stealing aggro. Better to let them die and stay dead to learn a lesson than risk a party wipe for their fail butts.

RB, about useless anymore... how about an update on that one devs...

There's a lot of ignorant people that value their demon spark so much that they ignore how RB can be better.

and imho,
any ep who doesn't have lvl 11 rez by the time they hit 100 is a fool.

If I had to say one thing that bugs me most about a few newer EPs, it's the lack of understanding heal agro. First thing I say to a barb is if they lure a hundred mobs towards me without a solid agro, Ill be back in a few to rez ya... cause you're gonna die, not me. b:chuckle

I really wish I had Lv.1 res sometimes, but yeah.

abslhjkjsdd

My two cents:

1h Buffs:
In some way i understand ppl using these 1h buffs all the time. Why so? Its verry simple:
If you buff someone Magic Shell (30min MDef) and REBUFF with Aegis Spirit (1h version) the 30min buff WONT be overwritten.
One more time, to point it out: The MDef Buff, once casted, cant be overwritten.
If you start mixing these buffs, you will end up with random MDef buffs running out. And of course the DD's (On auto attack, eating popcorn) blaming the sqads cleric for not buffing ppl.

-Just in case this is fixed already (Most unlikley, since we're playing PWI): Shame on me. I havent been on my Cleric for months now.

About noob clerics in general:
Beeing a good Cleric, in comparison to most DD classes in PvE, means you need a lot of training and expirience on different types of bosses, classes etc. Plus: You have to watch your own a** all the time because your just damn sqishy compared to most other classes. In my opinion, it's one of the hardest (If not the hasdest) class to play on in PWI. If played well, also a lot of fun though!b:victory

Since PWI started this hilarous lvl madness, pushing noobs to 100 in a month or two, all the clerics, former getting used to a hard job in 6 or more months, while mobs/bosses and therefore standarts raised slowly, suddenly doing their job in high lvl dungeon's, having the knowledge of a former BH59 cleric. OF COURSE THEY SUCK! b:beatup


In the end, PWI is the one to blame, not some poor noobs who've never been told how to play proper.

Ghrotch - Heavens Tear

They have beter gear then me. b:chuckle

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

thumbs wrote: »

If a sin can't tank w/o heals; they shouldn't be stealing aggro. Better to let them die and stay dead to learn a lesson than risk a party wipe for their fail butts.

If a sin can tank with the same heals as the barb, seeker, or bm then heal them. Otherwise you're the one that fails. The tank in party is whoever can maintain aggro without causing the rest of the party to die. eg If on an aoe boss, they can't tank without a constant stream of IH so that you can't rez or aoe heal, let them die and let someone who can tank it properly do so. If they can tank with the normal IH stack, why shouldn't they go all out? The boss dies faster and everyone gets out of there more quickly. My job as cleric isn't force everyone to play class specific roles that may go against their play style. It's to keep myself, the tank, and the rest of the squad alive.

ShadowIH - Dreamweaver

abslhjkjsdd wrote: »

...Plus: You have to watch your own a** all the time because your just damn sqishy compared to most other classes. In my opinion, it's one of the hardest (If not the hasdest) class to play on in PWI ...

What are these "most other classes" ?

Do you know that cleric has better survivability than some other classes ?

Why we are "one of the hardest (If not the hasdest) class to play on in PWI" ?

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

ShadowIH - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What are these "most other classes" ?

Do you know that cleric has better survivability than some other classes ?

Why we are "one of the hardest (If not the hasdest) class to play on in PWI" ?

Most clerics panic when sth comes at their face. Instead of IHing themselves or setting up Plume Shell . they just run right and left.

Clueless people , or those who just started to play as a cleric find them an extremely hard class.

When u master something , it's never tough

abslhjkjsdd

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Most clerics panic when sth comes at their face. Instead of IHing themselves or setting up Plume Shell . they just run right and left.

Clueless people , or those who just started to play as a cleric find them an extremely hard class.

When u master something , it's never tough

thanks for the compliment b:pleased

since you guys seem to be such awesome clerics, the noob will leave the rest of this tread to you... b:bye

Xainou - Sanctuary

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Most clerics panic when sth comes at their face. Instead of IHing themselves or setting up Plume Shell . they just run right and left.

I do that sometimes if something really scary heads my way lol
It's like *plume shell and runs to tank* Take it off meeeeeee! b:beg xD


I'm annoyed by people who don't watch out for debuffs Rarely ever see someone purifing some lowered element res or phy def.
Oh and by clerics that are so smart and don't even purfiy themselves at bosses that debuff your hp or something ~_~

Jacerai - Dreamweaver

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I do that sometimes if something really scary heads my way lol
It's like *plume shell and runs to tank* Take it off meeeeeee! b:beg xD


I'm annoyed by people who don't watch out for debuffs Rarely ever see someone purifing some lowered element res or phy def.
Oh and by clerics that are so smart and don't even purfiy themselves at bosses that debuff your hp or something ~_~

I can just see my toon running towards the tank screaming, "Oh god, getitoffgetitoffgetitoff!" Almost as if the mob/boss is a spider or some other bug. Weeeeeeee!

Yeah, I was talking with a new cleric, chatting on about something or another (probably skills) and I told them to watch for debuffs and that purify is useful (well...it is). This guy has a few toons already (high level) and asked me what the purify skill was called. >_> Then he asked me if he could purify poison. <_<
I explained it to him then went to link one of these fancy guides on Skills (I saw that now! Love it) on our faction website.

_Perses_ - Lost City

Gonna slightly high-jack this for a question


Was in a free frost last night on my lvl 51 cleric (dinged from me hypering mobs), the squad was a lvl 100 BM, lvl 101 sin (Both APS, sin at 4.0, BM at 3.33. Both sage.) and then spread through-out lvl 39 to 83 or so.


Now here is the question (in sorta an explanatory form of why it's a question xD):

The sin decided not to wait on the BM who was tanking declared the tank before the start of the run. He went and pulled the majority of the groups before the bishop boss (didn't go into the room, stopped at the group before the room). He goes and starts attacking, Now being that i'm on my cleric I am healing him and trying my best as a lvl 51 cleric. But the issue is, he forgot to buff himself with bloodpaint (I didn't notice really as I wasn't paying much attention to the sin or BM's buffs as I am so used to this BM that I kinda forget that some people aren't as good as I am with a BM or other classes in PvE :<), so he dies and all the mobs rush to me and the lvl 39 who was there. Both of us died, I released, the lvl 39 released.
On my way back to the mobs the BM comes back from AFK and goes and kills the groups of mobs. Then waits at the boss.

Starts putting in squad chat for me to res the sin and everybody is on the BM's side. I just simply ask "Why should I res an idiot who tryed to play tank when he, himself, declared himself as a DD? That also happened to cause two of us to die and lose experience."
the sin, who happened to have a cleric alt, dropped on the sin and brought in his cleric to res his own *** "Because he was at 80% to 101" (****ing bull**** reason i've ever heard for a res, if you die and don't wanna lose exp have ****ing scrolls on your *** so you can release =.='').
Now he starts dissing me, saying "Fail cleric", "Noob", etc. I just get tired of this and flat out list what character my main is. Dude doesn't shut up, so at that point I just tell him "Congratz on being another fail by-product of the T.Born expansion. go rot in hell" and leave squad after I ported back to the start of the instance.


Now was I wrong in not ressing him, was I wrong in saying or doing what I did? (Trust me, if I could of I would have taken this BM in there to kill both of their ****ing ***** =.='')

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

_Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »

Gonna slightly high-jack this for a question


Was in a free frost last night on my lvl 51 cleric (dinged from me hypering mobs), the squad was a lvl 100 BM, lvl 101 sin (Both APS, sin at 4.0, BM at 3.33. Both sage.) and then spread through-out lvl 39 to 83 or so.

I think if they were nice enough to give you free frost, even if he did make a dumb mistake by not giving himself BP, you still should have rezzed him. We all make mistakes from time to time. His attitude was uncalled for, but if I were giving away free heads to a cleric and they wouldn't even give me a simple rez because of one little mistake on my part I would have probably booted them, tbh. Yeah you lost exp, but if you had went through the whole frost run you would have gained far more exp than you lost for very little work on your part. I'd have rezzed the level 39 as well. The sin probably thought he could take it because a sin that level can take it if they have BP and do the pull right.

_Perses_ - Lost City

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think if they were nice enough to give you free frost, even if he did make a dumb mistake by not giving himself BP, you still should have rezzed him. We all make mistakes from time to time. His attitude was uncalled for, but if I were giving away free heads to a cleric and they wouldn't even give me a simple rez because of one little mistake on my part I would have probably booted them, tbh. Yeah you lost exp, but if you had went through the whole frost run you would have gained far more exp than you lost for very little work on your part. I'd have rezzed the level 39 as well. The sin probably thought he could take it because a sin that level can take it if they have BP and do the pull right.

The 39 released pretty much the same time I did, though I pm'd him as I was running back and just said if he died again just wait for me to come back and res him. So he knew I had res.


My issue was that the sin was basically being an ***. (That was literally the 15th time i'd died because of his *** in that run, and wasn't even past bishop boss....I run my cleric through with my bm and my cleric dies 0 times.)

DraknessDuir - Sanctuary

YeIIowFox - Harshlands wrote: »

I did have a level 8x cleric called /Fox\ that i worked on for a long time, I stopped playing for 2-3 months and have unfortunately forgot my password and there was an error with my email address when I made my account that prevents me from recovering/changing my password,(being the idiot I am i typed in .com instead of .co.uk when I typed in my email address at the account creation screen x.x) so i have had to create a new account and start again.
Most 'new clerics seem to prefer to create macros that use only AOE heals or they just spam all of their AOE heals one after the other when spamming IH onto members of the squad that require it is far more effective and wastes allot less MP.

Most new clerics probably at least know there are only 2 AOE heals, Chromatic Heal and Regeneration Aura (BB) and you can't spam them together since being in BB pretty much limits you to genie skills. b:chuckle

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

_Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »

The 39 released pretty much the same time I did, though I pm'd him as I was running back and just said if he died again just wait for me to come back and res him. So he knew I had res.


My issue was that the sin was basically being an ***. (That was literally the 15th time i'd died because of his *** in that run, and wasn't even past bishop boss....I run my cleric through with my bm and my cleric dies 0 times.)

^^

That changes things, if you had died a lot and he was being a jerk the whole run, then I would have done the same thing. Just because you're doing "nice" for me doesn't give you license to treat me like ****. But if that had been your only death, then yeah you should have rezzed him. By the way, wanting to level is the only real reason to ask for a rez. People want rezzes to save their exp, since it really doesn't take THAT long in most dungeons to run back although some of em are really very irritating to run back through. Since a lot of people ask for rezzes (and sometimes they demand them) you're going to have to weigh the benefits you'll be getting from squad with others players rude behavior. Also try to keep in mind that just cuz one person's a jag, doesn't mean the rest of the squad deserves to get left high and dry. Generally a good way to tell is if you die once or twice, stay with the squad as the benefits likely outweigh the risks and everyone makes mistakes sometimes. If you die any more than that, it's time to consider leaving the squad.

_Perses_ - Lost City

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

^^

That changes things, if you had died a lot and he was being a jerk the whole run, then I would have done the same thing. Just because you're doing "nice" for me doesn't give you license to treat me like ****. But if that had been your only death, then yeah you should have rezzed him. By the way, wanting to level is the only real reason to ask for a rez. People want rezzes to save their exp, since it really doesn't take THAT long in most dungeons to run back although some of em are really very irritating to run back through. Since a lot of people ask for rezzes (and sometimes they demand them) you're going to have to weigh the benefits you'll be getting from squad with others players rude behavior. Also try to keep in mind that just cuz one person's a jag, doesn't mean the rest of the squad deserves to get left high and dry. Generally a good way to tell is if you die once or twice, stay with the squad as the benefits likely outweigh the risks and everyone makes mistakes sometimes. If you die any more than that, it's time to consider leaving the squad.

I've had a 3 death policy on all my characters during their leveling time. Me die three times? Me say "Bye bye" to squad.


Guess I'm just too used to how I run on my BM and expected too much from another BM b:sad

SkogDyr - Lost City

thumbs wrote: »

If a sin can't tank w/o heals; they shouldn't be stealing aggro. Better to let them die and stay dead to learn a lesson than risk a party wipe for their fail butts.

True but there are a whole new type of sin out there (1-105 gooners) who have no clue about aggro... Heck, I even had to tell one about BloodPaint... and I've never played a stabby fish.

There's a lot of ignorant people that value their demon spark so much that they ignore how RB can be better.

I used to love RB but with so many 3sparkers ranting whenever they see it, I took it off my hotkeys. TBH, I don't think I've used RB in nearly a year.

I really wish I had Lv.1 res sometimes, but yeah.

^ +100 I'd love to have a lvl 1 rez when you get that toon who goes in all "super toon" against a boss and forgets that there is a full squad for a reason. b:chuckle

StacysMum - Dreamweaver

|Everything, apparently|

Mekkhala - Lost City

You should see the frost gooner eps in NV now. When I go on BM I hate having eps in the squad because its so frustrating to watch. I end up charm tanking anyway so whats the point of them being in squad?

Is it REALLY necessary to use CHB for everything??? They even use it in place of purify. No joke at snake boss I had a cleric start spaming CHB when the snakes cast poison. Or when a single person is taking damage WHY ARE THEY USING CHB???

_Perses_ - Lost City

SkogDyr - Lost City wrote: »

^ +100 I'd love to have a lvl 1 rez when you get that toon who goes in all "super toon" against a boss and forgets that there is a full squad for a reason. b:chuckle

b:surrender

Me sorry, but me likey to tank KFC up close :<. Fire be nice and warm and the chicken taste good b:surrender

Christianlej - Sanctuary

Now with almost 3 years playing all the time as a cleric i saw recently that when i go sguad in BH, TT, FCC or other event all the sguad never wait for cleric buff and go run killing everything in this instance, that`s make me anoy a lot b:angry.
I just tell all the sguad that:

Me can i get buffs?

All: Yes you can

Me: but i want all reagroup for sguad buff please.

They just don`t consider the cleric work all the time, and if any of them have !charm! just careful... they will tell you to only heal him. I just say: Don`t use charm always tick when i go heal. Sins do the same thing... they THINK they tankers and die with 2 hits... b:surrender

I love to me cleric b:dirty but don`t love the noobs that are in PWI nowdays...

Akaichan - Raging Tide

Christianlej - Sanctuary wrote: »

Now with almost 3 years playing all the time as a cleric i saw recently that when i go sguad in BH, TT, FCC or other event all the sguad never wait for cleric buff and go run killing everything in this instance, that`s make me anoy a lot b:angry.
I just tell all the sguad that:

Me can i get buffs?

All: Yes you can

Me: but i want all reagroup for sguad buff please.

They just don`t consider the cleric work all the time, and if any of them have !charm! just careful... they will tell you to only heal him. I just say: Don`t use charm always tick when i go heal. Sins do the same thing... they THINK they tankers and die with 2 hits... b:surrender

I love to me cleric b:dirty but don`t love the noobs that are in PWI nowdays...

I totally agree with you. Sins and charmed ppl can be very annoying and bossy.

Yogaxpto - Dreamweaver

thumbs wrote: »

I've become more annoyed with the older clerics. The new ones know not to heal 4.0+ Assassins, debuff more often, DD more often, don't sacrifice themselves to save an idiot, have L11 revive and don't whine that it cost so much and only benefits others. -It's a good thing there's p-leveling.

Some clerics still believe that the main reason they are alive is because they have to trust in their squad members to take damage for them.
It's a very respectable choice.

Honestly i would prefer to heal a psychic tanking 3 bh59 mobs at same time than to see a 10k hp barb kiling a mob at time.

And powerleveling IS ruining the game since it is expected that you already deserve to play your class fairly well at lvl 50-60.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Christianlej - Sanctuary wrote: »

Now with almost 3 years playing all the time as a cleric i saw recently that when i go sguad in BH, TT, FCC or other event all the sguad never wait for cleric buff and go run killing everything in this instance, that`s make me anoy a lot b:angry.
I just tell all the sguad that:

Me can i get buffs?

All: Yes you can

Me: but i want all reagroup for sguad buff please.

They just don`t consider the cleric work all the time, and if any of them have !charm! just careful... they will tell you to only heal him. I just say: Don`t use charm always tick when i go heal. Sins do the same thing... they THINK they tankers and die with 2 hits... b:surrender

I love to me cleric b:dirty but don`t love the noobs that are in PWI nowdays...

It annoys you that people clear a bit because you haven't given them buffs? I really don't care, i'll buff them just before the first boss/first opportunity with 30 minutes buffs if they don't wait for the one hour ones. If it causes their charm to tick, that's their problem. Most of the time people go in and clear the mobs because it's better than waiting around for someone else to fly all the way there because they are too cheap to spend like 8,000 coins to stone in.

StacysMum - Dreamweaver

Sad truth is there is nobody to teach them because damn near everybody on here hypernoobs themselves (yeah go on, lie to me). To get player to be proactive at their class sometimes takes a while, nobody these days takes the time out to train ppl.
I had a lot of help from people and everytime I entered a new instance I learned its better to be upfront about being inexperienced and ask for tips along the way. When people ran off without giving me info like BB on Drummer at 50% people died thats the way it is. If you don't teach people they sometimes stick to bad habits. PvP is also a great way of learning survivability and squad survivability however especially on pve servers most low lvls tend to shy away from this part of the game as they tend to get pwned. They will also not listen to you if you rage, they might even keep on doing it just to agro you.
There is just not enough skilled ppl left running through to help them, yes you see them every now and again but not enough to teach them. Pro clerics are rare, they only thing being seen these days are dual logged clerics (defo noobs) and TW cata clerics (only good at one thing).
Would like to see the posts about ppl who helped clerics, all I see here is people who gave up. How good would you be if everybody gave up on you and told you nothing?

Ny_Naeve - Dreamweaver

I agree with much of what has been said here. When I am in a new instance I ask my barb or other tank what they want me to do: Is there an AOE boss where BB is needed, does this boss debuff, etc I like to be ready b:victory) - and I tell random squads that I do not BB unless it's requested. Half of what makes a successful cleric is being prepared and having some info ahead of time. I have learned to avoid random squads unless I am totally desperate and carry res scrolls when I run with them...some ppl dont care if they get killed or get you and everyone else in squad killed either. I cant count how many times I have heard...."it's ok if I die...." Hmmm. I have also ran with a second cleric in the squad that was...well...less than desirable. I have seen some clerics do things that made my hair stand on end. They can get a big attitude when squad members say something also. Running an instance with a second cleric can be a joy though...one healing and purifying while the other debuffs ect. Just depends on good squad communication...which it seems is lacking these days. Ppl just run around suicidal and manic in caves these days...

Jacerai - Dreamweaver

Ny_Naeve - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I agree with much of what has been said here. When I am in a new instance I ask my barb or other tank what they want me to do: Is there an AOE boss where BB is needed, does this boss debuff, etc I like to be ready b:victory) - and I tell random squads that I do not BB unless it's requested. Half of what makes a successful cleric is being prepared and having some info ahead of time. I have learned to avoid random squads unless I am totally desperate and carry res scrolls when I run with them...some ppl dont care if they get killed or get you and everyone else in squad killed either. I cant count how many times I have heard...."it's ok if I die...." Hmmm. I have also ran with a second cleric in the squad that was...well...less than desirable. I have seen some clerics do things that made my hair stand on end. They can get a big attitude when squad members say something also. Running an instance with a second cleric can be a joy though...one healing and purifying while the other debuffs ect. Just depends on good squad communication...which it seems is lacking these days. Ppl just run around suicidal and manic in caves these days...

I agree. I've seen enough bad clerics to understand why people PM me when I log on, asking for help/if I need a dungeon/if I'm busy.

StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sad truth is there is nobody to teach them because damn near everybody on here hypernoobs themselves (yeah go on, lie to me). To get player to be proactive at their class sometimes takes a while, nobody these days takes the time out to train ppl.
I had a lot of help from people and everytime I entered a new instance I learned its better to be upfront about being inexperienced and ask for tips along the way. When people ran off without giving me info like BB on Drummer at 50% people died thats the way it is. If you don't teach people they sometimes stick to bad habits. PvP is also a great way of learning survivability and squad survivability however especially on pve servers most low lvls tend to shy away from this part of the game as they tend to get pwned. They will also not listen to you if you rage, they might even keep on doing it just to agro you.
There is just not enough skilled ppl left running through to help them, yes you see them every now and again but not enough to teach them. Pro clerics are rare, they only thing being seen these days are dual logged clerics (defo noobs) and TW cata clerics (only good at one thing).
Would like to see the posts about ppl who helped clerics, all I see here is people who gave up. How good would you be if everybody gave up on you and told you nothing?

I can actually say that I teach clerics. The new clerics in faction come to me when they have questions, and I PM any new clerics that join, asking them if this is their first cleric/toon. I've run BH29s with groups to help teach "mob activeness" and aggro issues. Maybe I should shout in WC about an "ask a cleric" day, but everyone watching WC (well, most) already have been here longer than me. Most of them have a high-level cleric. When I get on tonight, I'll use a few teles and announce that I'll answer any questions, or maybe that I'll teach any interested low-to-mid level clerics aggro.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sad truth is there is nobody to teach them because damn near everybody on here hypernoobs themselves (yeah go on, lie to me). To get player to be proactive at their class sometimes takes a while, nobody these days takes the time out to train ppl.
I had a lot of help from people and everytime I entered a new instance I learned its better to be upfront about being inexperienced and ask for tips along the way. When people ran off without giving me info like BB on Drummer at 50% people died thats the way it is. If you don't teach people they sometimes stick to bad habits.

Yes and No on that >.< pple will help you discover but you also have to discover things yourself without 100% relying on your peers with 'well they didnt teach me', cause no one really taught the first player clerics ;x