What are new clerics doing that is annoying all the old players?

DarkPlaces - Harshlands

I have a level 78 cleric and I am probably guilty of being a fcc noob. Still, I'm trying to do my best. I mostly only group heal after barb buff. I hour buff at the beginning, half hour buff late-comers and rezzed people. I stack IH on the tank. I purify. I seal bosses. I only sometimes use Wellspring to quickly fill up a low bar, mostly it is IH. I hardly ever DD. I am charmed, so I never run out of mana. I have current gears, sharded and refined mostly to +3. I have most of my support skills at level 10, only SoR is at level 7 because it's really expensive. I think I am doing a lot of things right.

What is difficult for me is the habitual thing. When I started with my sin, I was used to playing a barb. It took me a long time to get rid of the urge to collect the aggro of every mob nearby. Now I am used to playing a sin, it's hard to switch to cleric, the play styles are so different. Also, when I am dualing, I set up BB on my cleric and switch to sin when I am at a boss. I usually do this for BH59 as I am not patient enough to wait to get a squad.

Still, when I am running with a regular squad, I think I can get the job done. I haven't been in Wraithgate so far, so I don't know how difficult Pole will be. I would love to listen to advice, too, but I hardly ever meet players who have the knowledge and the will to help.

Anyway thanks to you experienced clerics, this thread is already better than many guides.

Leeani - Heavens Tear

I think it has to do with so many clerics plvl just to get the lvls and they are not learning the basics for the class, what there skills do and when to use them properly.

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Leeani - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think it has to do with so many clerics plvl just to get the lvls and they are not learning the basics for the class, what there skills do and when to use them properly.

This kind of reasoning appears to only be used by those who take so long to learn a class that they can't unlearn bad habits as the game evolves. Most p-levelers have played other classes and know what they expect from clerics, and see first hand what clerics do wrong.

Someone who's played a barb for instance isn't likely to spam Chromatic Healing Beam. Someone who's played a 4-5aps toon isn't likely to spam heal a 5.0 w/blood paint. Someone who's played a veno isn't going to Regeneration Aura in luring area.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

thumbs wrote: »

This kind of reasoning appears to only be used by those who take so long to learn a class that they can't unlearn bad habits as the game evolves. Most p-levelers have played other classes and know what they expect from clerics, and see first hand what clerics do wrong.

Someone who's played a barb for instance isn't likely to spam Chromatic Healing Beam. Someone who's played a 4-5aps toon isn't likely to spam heal a 5.0 w/blood paint. Someone who's played a veno isn't going to Regeneration Aura in luring area.

one noob does not a reputation make.

if this was true, PL and FCC wont be anywhere associated with noobyness =/
most pple think they know how to play a class when in fact pple just never tell them they suck cause its rude.

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Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

one noob does not a reputation make.

if this was true, PL and FCC wont be anywhere associated with noobyness =/
most pple think they know how to play a class when in fact pple just never tell them they suck cause its rude.

Might be rude but not uncommon. When I tried vit cleric I was whined at for poor heals. Today I attempted RB wave 3 on wiz with 9k+hp, and 15k+pdef and after dying repeatedly I apologized to squad for not demanding a pure mag cleric.

Biggest mistake I see clerics making lately is them thinking that putting points in vit keeps their fail ***** alive when in reality it's what causes party wipes and failed runs.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

fail player wrote: »

Might be rude but not uncommon. When I tried vit cleric I was whined at for poor heals. Today I attempted RB wave 3 on wiz with 9k+hp, and 15k+pdef and after dying repeatedly I apologized to squad for not demanding a pure mag cleric.

Biggest mistake I see clerics making lately is them thinking that putting points in vit keeps their fail ***** alive when in reality it's what causes party wipes and failed runs.

no... no.. VIT clerics do just fine... their attack just isnt the best. But in terms of healing there is no significant life or death issue for the amount of heals they dish. Your like the only person in this forum i seen since 2008 that blamed their cleric fail cause they lean to VIT build. Maybe you should have practiced cleric farther than 3-4months before switching to your next class? =(

then again.. youve been stuck on wizzy so.... guess cleric concepts are still kinda new for ya. For someone who spent 2 years to level last 30 wizzy lvs, good try.

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Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

no... no.. VIT clerics do just fine... their attack just isnt the best. But in terms of healing there is no significant life or death issue for the amount of heals they dish. Your like the only person in this forum i seen since 2008 that blamed their cleric fail cause they lean to VIT build. Maybe you should have practiced cleric farther than 3-4months before switching to your next class? =(

then again.. youve been stuck on wizzy so.... guess cleric concepts are still kinda new for ya. For someone who spent 2 years to level last 30 wizzy lvs, good try.

You're full of ****, and jumping to conclusions.

Mendolin - Sanctuary

thumbs wrote: »

Might be rude but not uncommon. When I tried vit cleric I was whined at for poor heals. Today I attempted RB wave 3 on wiz with 9k+hp, and 15k+pdef and after dying repeatedly I apologized to squad for not demanding a pure mag cleric.

Biggest mistake I see clerics making lately is them thinking that putting points in vit keeps their fail ***** alive when in reality it's what causes party wipes and failed runs.

rofl... i have been a vit cleric since i started... didnt have decent gear til my mid 90s and let me tell you... i never had any problems keeping squads alive etc. so my guess? you are doing it wrong b:bye

DuckTapez - Archosaur

Mendolin - Sanctuary wrote: »

rofl... i have been a vit cleric since i started... didnt have decent gear til my mid 90s and let me tell you... i never had any problems keeping squads alive etc. so my guess? you are doing it wrong b:bye

don't listen to the same guy that thinks mystics are far superior to cleric in terms of healing

plenty of vit clerics running around nowadays, and they do just fine
wouldn't be able to help if the squad much if you died eh? b:shocked vit build is a cheap fix for that, since vit clerics will still have more than enough magic power for heals
the only real downside to a vit cleric i see is the lower attack, but it's not like clerics attack a whole lot anyway b:shutup

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

thumbs wrote: »

You're full of ****, and jumping to conclusions.

riiiighhhhhttttt b:chuckle

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

And now he trolls the cleric forum , together with one of the best clerics for her server and in-forum ( that goes to Deceptistar).


Successful troll is successful

StreamElf - Sanctuary

@thumbs: Okay, i just logged in to laugh at you. I'm a lvl 93 vit build cleric. Not the best, but decent gear (in my opinion). Just reached 5k with barb buff. So i won't say that i have like the best build or the best gear. But I've never had anyone (except a fail barb that didn't communicate with the squad, rushed in while i was semi-afk waiting for a wiz to catch up which resulted in him dieing) tell me i was a fail. The opposite actually. I've even had randoms ask me to join their squad because my friends told them i was a good cleric. I ask people when i'm in a new instance what i'm supposed to do, last time for example. I was in my first bh99 hell for my culti. Never been in there before. I asked what i had to do and what they expected of me. Everything went fine, they even told me i was a good cleric. So it's not the vit build that decides if someone is a fail cleric or not. It's the skill that they posses to make up for it (even though there's not really a significant difference in the build.)

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StreamElf - Sanctuary wrote: »

@thumbs: Okay, i just logged in to laugh at you. I'm a lvl 93 vit build cleric. Not the best, but decent gear (in my opinion). Just reached 5k with barb buff. So i won't say that i have like the best build or the best gear. But I've never had anyone (except a fail barb that didn't communicate with the squad, rushed in while i was semi-afk waiting for a wiz to catch up which resulted in him dieing) tell me i was a fail. The opposite actually. I've even had randoms ask me to join their squad because my friends told them i was a good cleric. I ask people when i'm in a new instance what i'm supposed to do, last time for example. I was in my first bh99 hell for my culti. Never been in there before. I asked what i had to do and what they expected of me. Everything went fine, they even told me i was a good cleric. So it's not the vit build that decides if someone is a fail cleric or not. It's the skill that they posses to make up for it (even though there's not really a significant difference in the build.)

-lol

I made the switch; you didn't. I speak from vaster experience; you're patting yourself on the back because you haven't been challenged properly yet. The switch vastly improved my game.

StreamElf - Sanctuary

What kind of challenge are you speaking of? TT3-3? And besides, i've been playing my cleric for over 2 years now. I met all kinds of people, all kinds of playing styles. I don't plvl, if that wasn't obvious yet. So yes, i do have experience.

Jacerai - Dreamweaver

If he's speaking about TT3-3, I get to chime in with my cleric. Guess who's a vit-build? This one! Guess who derped and has yet to fix her cleric (she has 30ish dex >_>)? This one!

I went through TT3-3 just fine. The only deaths were when we were figuring out how to pull a boss.

b:surrender bad troll, no cookie!

CrusherJam - Dreamweaver

When will this post die ! :-)

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And now he trolls the cleric forum

He R Mad

CrusherJam - Dreamweaver wrote: »

When will this post die ! :-)

i find it pretty amusing, the thread that is =o well aside from the random handicaps that decide to jerk around b:chuckle

Asgardeus - Sanctuary

... people with a cleric main that play worse than my old main which I retired a year ago.

No, you're not supposed to tempest while the seeker tank is at <half hp.
No, you're not supposed to stand in mid of a group of 50ish arcane people and pull agro on farren.

b:sweat

Licancura - Archosaur

I apologize in advance for the long post but i have to take it out my chest.

Recently, ive been in several fail squad where people simply didnt listen, instead they told you to shut up because they're faction leaders and 80+, and i was just a low level veno. ok, so how these mighty people was massacred by Rankar? this particular boss has been a great problem lately. at first i switched to my cleric to get the job done but not anymore, it was my veno the one that needed the bh not my cleric.

Just now i went to BH39 in my veno, with a 40 mystic and a 50+ cleric.

When we started i asked the cleric for buffs because he wasnt doing it. He used vanguard spirit, magic shell, CHB and SoR on each of us! When i pointed that we didnt need heals because we were at the entrance hall, he said it was a buff.

... ok then

Mystic didnt want to learn how to lure, why you get away? what's the big deal? she asked so i watch her get killed by the mobs she run into head first. And the cleric? he just stood there, healing himself even if he hasnt been touched by any mob!

He's 50+ so i asked him if he learnt IB, he said not yet. b:laugh Now i understand the frustation some people feel.

btw, im a vit cleric and never have any problem healing the tank or squad, when is people that know what they're doing. No cleric can keep a squad alive when the tank is tanking but the seekers and bms run around aggroing everything they find, or the archer start dd before the barb has got the full attention of the boss.

StacysMum - Dreamweaver

Asgardeus - Sanctuary wrote: »

No, you're not supposed to stand in mid of a group of 50ish arcane people and pull agro on farren.

b:sweat

Done that before, hilarious, not recommended though XD Don't even know why I did it, probably got bored

NinnaXXX - Sanctuary

StreamElf - Sanctuary wrote: »

@thumbs: Okay, i just logged in to laugh at you. I'm a lvl 93 vit build cleric. Not the best, but decent gear (in my opinion). Just reached 5k with barb buff. So i won't say that i have like the best build or the best gear. But I've never had anyone (except a fail barb that didn't communicate with the squad, rushed in while i was semi-afk waiting for a wiz to catch up which resulted in him dieing) tell me i was a fail. The opposite actually. I've even had randoms ask me to join their squad because my friends told them i was a good cleric. I ask people when i'm in a new instance what i'm supposed to do, last time for example. I was in my first bh99 hell for my culti. Never been in there before. I asked what i had to do and what they expected of me. Everything went fine, they even told me i was a good cleric. So it's not the vit build that decides if someone is a fail cleric or not. It's the skill that they posses to make up for it (even though there's not really a significant difference in the build.)

yur right :0 ill probabaly never say it again but at somepoint in this game i had 200vit green/150vit white xD yet i've never been called fail i loved the vit i had since i didnt have the coins back then to do hard core refines so yeha i also think way of skill using does help a great deal , sadly im at 90vit green atm and also planning to go pure i can say since i removed tht huge amount of vit i had to spam a lot of lesser heals, thought pure build is not a cheap thing in any way farmable yes/ but takes a loongg while. So nope! vit isn't bad

- and lol where the hell is this thread going too xD

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Licancura - Archosaur wrote: »

btw, im a vit cleric and never have any problem healing the tank or squad, when is people that know what they're doing. No cleric can keep a squad alive when the tank is tanking but the seekers and bms run around aggroing everything they find, or the archer start dd before the barb has got the full attention of the boss.

Most people never blame themselves for failing. Blame the Bm, archer, seekers because you needed vit since you went cheap on your equips. Vit clerics are mega fail. I tried it; I know.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

thumbs wrote: »

Most people never blame themselves for failing. Blame the Bm, archer, seekers because you needed vit since you went cheap on your equips. Vit clerics are mega fail. I tried it; I know.

Because everyone in the entire world all thinks and acts alike. And anything that you aren't personally good at most be a fail, and the whole world revolves around you. Right? I don't care if you tried it. So what if you sucked at it.


Let it be known: Every singer in the entire world is garbage. I've tried singing. It wasn't fun or pleasant to listen to at all. It was mega fail. That must mean all singers are bad.

If that sounds ridiculous to you, replace singer with vit cleric and singing with healing. You'll see just how flat out ridiculous you sound. Quit attacking every vit cleric that posts. Guess what, some people are good at a playstyle and build that isn't for you. So what if it was mega fail when you played it. For some people whose play style doesn't match, pure cleric is equally as fail.

Asgardeus - Sanctuary

*drags Venus away* No arguing with a fail troll, madame ^.~

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VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Because everyone in the entire world all thinks and acts alike. And anything that you aren't personally good at most be a fail, and the whole world revolves around you. Right? I don't care if you tried it. So what if you sucked at it.

You can't be good with weak heals. Continue filling thread with lame personal attacks.

StacysMum - Dreamweaver

thumbs wrote: »

You can't be good with weak heals. Continue filling thread with lame personal attacks.

Quite true, just sufficent and mediocre heals means less adaptibility. As far as the personal attacks, you can't blame people for standing up for themselves or speaking what they think is right. We're human after all not mindless npcs.

Yanami - Heavens Tear

It goes kinda two ways.

You can make a vit cleric by sacrificing some magic for vitality but try to get really good weapons with good refines/shards/+mag to make up for it.

Or you can make a pure magic cleric by not having any vitality at all and having to get good gear all around just so you can survive.

What good is a cleric if the cleric is dead and can't survive?
Or what good is a cleric if the cleric can't help others survive?

Either way, there are pros and cons to the choices.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Someones showing us quite well how most people never blame themselves for failing. b:chuckle this is why forums are addictive. Its fun watching what delusional pple say. Nothing gets through them even with multiple pple giving them a clue.

StreamElf - Sanctuary

@thumbs: So because you tried it and failed with it, it means no one can actually be good at healing with it? That's just the stupidiest thing i've ever heard. It's the same if i said: "I tried pure, it was mega fail cuz i kept dieing. All pure clerics fail". I can easily heal a lot of things (and i'm still wondering what kinda challenge you spoke of?) without any help from anything except my dear Wraith Conquerer. Oh and i will restat later in the game, but that's only because i have 18 dex from my lower lvls and i want to put that into mag.

@NinnaXXX: I have no idea at how much vit i'm right now.. Some time ago i was at 120 green or something xD I think i've lowered to about 90 green now (other armor and weapon and stuff)

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StreamElf - Sanctuary wrote: »

@thumbs: So because you tried it and failed with it, it means no one can actually be good at healing with it?

Well, I could point out that nearly every time there's a fail RB; there's a fail vit cleric in the middle of it. Nearly every bh69; vit cleric needs help keeping tank alive. I play 6 toons including Barb, and see them failing often from differing perspectives. I understand why they're failing because I tried the fail build myself. Most people are just too arrogant to admit they're wrong, but you are just stupid.