What are new clerics doing that is annoying all the old players?

StreamElf - Sanctuary

thumbs wrote: »

Well, I could point out that nearly every time there's a fail RB; there's a fail vit cleric in the middle of it. Nearly every bh69; vit cleric needs help keeping tank alive. I play 6 toons including Barb, and see them failing often from differing perspectives. I understand why they're failing because I tried the fail build myself. Most people are just too arrogant to admit they're wrong, but you are just stupid.

Ohhhh, so that's why i could solo heal as a lvl 60 vit cleric in bh69 for my first time.. I should've known that it was because vit builds are fail. Learned something again.

As for RB, it's not always the cleric that fails. How many times i've seen a barb run in and dieing while grabbing all the mobs, when he's out of BB range. Yup, that's totally the clerics fault (don't take offence barbs :P), or people not killing fast enough so the next wave is already coming. That's the clerics fault too of course.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

thumbs wrote: »

Well, I could point out that nearly every time there's a fail RB; there's a fail vit cleric in the middle of it. Nearly every bh69; vit cleric needs help keeping tank alive. I FCC 6 toons including Barb, and see them failing often from differing perspectives. I understand why they're failing because I tried the fail build myself. Most people are just too arrogant to admit they're wrong, but you are just stupid.

fixed b:victory

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

thumbs wrote: »

Well, I could point out that nearly every time there's a fail RB; there's a fail vit cleric in the middle of it. Nearly every bh69; vit cleric needs help keeping tank alive. I play 6 toons including Barb, and see them failing often from differing perspectives. I understand why they're failing because I tried the fail build myself. Most people are just too arrogant to admit they're wrong, but you are just stupid.

Really because I solo healed bh69 on my FB, and I have 50 points into vit. Really because I've saved the squad from fail pure clerics who didn't know how to survive AOE. I've had those experiences again and again. So I guess all pure clerics are fail now.

Asgardeus - Sanctuary wrote: »

*drags Venus away* No arguing with a fail troll, madame ^.~

b:surrender

thumbs

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Really because I solo healed bh69 on my FB, and I have 50 points into vit. Really because I've saved the squad from fail pure clerics who didn't know how to survive AOE. I've had those experiences again and again. So I guess all pure clerics are fail now.





b:surrender

My assassin can solo polearm without heals and without pots, yet fail vit clerics will heal rather than debuff. The point? - You don't mention what was tanking or if it even needed healing.

Your heals are weak which limits your ability to move out of close range aoe if you end up in it even when you are able to heal a tank.

Just because you can heal SOME tanks in 69; it doesn't mean that your healing power is at what it should be. Doing just fine = able to skate by.

StreamElf - Sanctuary

thumbs wrote: »

My assassin can solo polearm without heals and without pots, yet fail vit clerics will heal rather than debuff. The point? - You don't mention what was tanking or if it even needed healing.

Your heals are weak which limits your ability to move out of close range aoe if you end up in it even when you are able to heal a tank.

Just because you can heal SOME tanks in 69; it doesn't mean that your healing power is at what it should be. Doing just fine = able to skate by.

Okay, good for you that your sin can tank pole. But that doesn't mean i won't heal in the beginning and purify the whole fight. If i can make it easier to tank, why shouldn't i? When i see you can go without constant healing i will start debuffing and DDing, and if your hp doesn't drop drastically i will continue doing that. Again, this has nothing to do with being a vit cleric. It has more to do with skill, since pures can do it as well.

Let's see.. Why would i even get into the close range aoe? That'd just be plain stupid, and it doesn't matter if i'm a vit cleric or a pure cleric (although, even if i do end up into the close range aoe, my vit cleric will survive longer than a pure.. ijs). Anyway, i'm fine at max range (:

SOME should be replaced with ALL btw (:

thumbs

StreamElf - Sanctuary wrote: »

Okay, good for you that your sin can tank pole. But that doesn't mean i won't heal in the beginning and purify the whole fight. If i can make it easier to tank, why shouldn't i? When i see you can go without constant healing i will start debuffing and DDing, and if your hp doesn't drop drastically i will continue doing that. Again, this has nothing to do with being a vit cleric. It has more to do with skill, since pures can do it as well.

Let's see.. Why would i even get into the close range aoe? That'd just be plain stupid, and it doesn't matter if i'm a vit cleric or a pure cleric (although, even if i do end up into the close range aoe, my vit cleric will survive longer than a pure.. ijs). Anyway, i'm fine at max range (:

SOME should be replaced with ALL btw (:

4.0+ capable sin has better survival if you debuff and dd rather than heal.

Clerics are hit with close range aoe when a bad catch is made (sorry lagging), aggro is pulled, etc.

Can the noob just stay out of conversation?

Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver

thumbs wrote: »

4.0+ capable sin has better survival if you debuff and dd rather than heal.

Clerics are hit with close range aoe when a bad catch is made (sorry lagging), aggro is pulled, etc.

Can the noob just stay out of conversation?

and can the arrogant sin keep the fact in mind that you wont see a sin lvl 100+ needing bh69. You will only see one if he helps around, hes not gonna need it. So why are you puking out an argument that means nothing?

And seriously, if a cleric get in the close aoe range, not its fault, thats the fault of the puller and catcher. I dont know any magic class that can survive it when they are in there lvl 80-89

StreamElf - Sanctuary

thumbs wrote: »

4.0+ capable sin has better survival if you debuff and dd rather than heal.

Clerics are hit with close range aoe when a bad catch is made (sorry lagging), aggro is pulled, etc.

Can the noob just stay out of conversation?

You should've pointed out that it was a 4.0+ sin when you brought it up as an argument. I agree with the one above me about the 100 sin not needing bh69 and you rarely see them. I was talking about a lvl 8x sin. And I've seen enough sins that lvl with that aps that still died, so i'll just heal them to see if it's needed, and after a second of 3 i'll switch to DDing (which includes debuffing). Would that really hurt? 3 seconds?

Okay, if a bad catch is made, and i see it in time i start running as far as i can until the tanker has aggro. And i don't see how weak heals limit me in running away? Could you explain that to me, since i don't see the link between those two.

And i still wonder what kind of challenge you spoke of (:

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

thumbs wrote: »

My assassin can solo polearm without heals and without pots, yet fail vit clerics will heal rather than debuff. The point? - You don't mention what was tanking or if it even needed healing.

Your heals are weak which limits your ability to move out of close range aoe if you end up in it even when you are able to heal a tank.

Just because you can heal SOME tanks in 69; it doesn't mean that your healing power is at what it should be. Doing just fine = able to skate by.

Ohhh, I wasn't aware that adding points in vitality automatically makes my healing spells go off with no control or input from me. Heh, guess what vit/pure it doesn't matter. If the cleric is healing you in that weird situation where your level 100 sin still needs its fb69 (and lets face it, you can't receive bh69 at that level so that's more likely than him needing a bh. I suppose you could have had it in your inventory since level 80, but meh.) then that's only because they are making sure that you were smart enough to keep good equips to go with all that powerlevelling.


And guess what else? I healed an at level tank! And guess what else, ive been in his AOE several times. It didn't kill me! My vit added extra hp and defense, so guess what I lived. Just barely, but I still lived in time to heal myself, and the squad. Doesn't bother me because my cleric can take it. I also don't have to constantly heal the tank, i have time for DDing and Debuffing. And the tanks charm didn't tick! I know, amazing right! I must be the most pro cleric on my server then, since vit apparently causes people to heal people that don't need healing without any input from them and die at every aoe. Whereas I only heal people that need it and have survived aoes before, shockerrr.


And I have not met a tank that I couldn't heal in 69. I heal each and every tank just fine, and have since i was actually level 69. Next challenge? Actually there hasn't been a tank that I couldn't heal if he pulled everything correctly in the entire two years of playing. I have only left a very small number of squads because of the rudeness and arguing amongst the squad members, never because it was so fail that I couldn't deal with it by overhealing.

Yanami - Heavens Tear

thumbs wrote: »

4.0+ capable sin has better survival if you debuff and dd rather than heal.

^Isn't there another thread arguing about clerics that shouldn't DD but should heal?

XD

Not that I don't mind clerics DDing...I DD/debuff as long as healing takes priority.

Anyway...who cares if clerics have vitality or not...as long as it gets the job done, it won't matter in the end. Sorry if you had failures in your squad, maybe they plvled their way up and gave you a bad and permanent impression on vitality clerics that do their job right but you need to understand that not everyone who uses vit is failure.

Also, I don't see how a cleric DDing/debuffing helps with said 4+ sin's survival due to boss going down fairly quickly as it is (assuming this is still about the 69 bosses). Shouldn't it be the actual healing/purify that helps with survival, even if healing isn't really that needed?

**And sorry if my post sounds all Engrish-y. xD I'm sleepy. /excuse

LaLeLoo - Sanctuary

I've seen some clerics heal the tank with just wellspring and no Iron Heart which annoys the **** out of me lol.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

when a sin solos a boss its usually just buff and mindless DD with bloodpaint b:surrender if thats worth a brag, then yeah no wonder someone died as VIT cleric... that kinda needs a bit more skill than afk tanking

Jacerai - Dreamweaver

LaLeLoo - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've seen some clerics heal the tank with just wellspring and no Iron Heart which annoys the **** out of me lol.

^^^^^this. Just...this.

I have a barb (baby barb, aw, so cute!) that is at the BH51 range. The cleric in squad saw my health drop, so what do they do? Wellspring. I can see Wellspring as useful when someone needs a boost of HP now, with IH to keep it from dropping again...but Wellspring an at-level barb? It's kinda useless...unless there's nothing happening.

Decus - Dreamweaver

thumbs wrote: »

Well, I could point out that nearly every time there's a fail RB; there's a fail vit cleric in the middle of it.

From my perspective, 95% of RBs fail because the DD is horrible.



I am really surprised thumbs/tweaks/whatever is still at it. Where's Janus when you need him, or did he finally leave?

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

From my perspective, 95% of RBs fail because the DD is horrible.



I am really surprised thumbs/tweaks/whatever is still at it. Where's Janus when you need him, or did he finally leave?

yeah wheres your twin >.>

hell wheres rose

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver

I'm curious if people think putting 50+ into vit is fail as a cleric, what would they think of a cleric with 200+ extra strength and wearing heavy armour... If a cleric knows what they are doing it doesn't matter if they have put an extra amount into "vit" or whatever.

Decus - Dreamweaver

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm curious if people think putting 50+ into vit is fail as a cleric, what would they think of a cleric with 200+ extra strength and wearing heavy armour... If a cleric knows what they are doing it doesn't matter if they have put an extra amount into "vit" or whatever.

The opinion of one person should not be interpreted as more than just that

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm curious if people think putting 50+ into vit is fail as a cleric, what would they think of a cleric with 200+ extra strength and wearing heavy armour... If a cleric knows what they are doing it doesn't matter if they have put an extra amount into "vit" or whatever.

probably as useful as a barb going full mag arcane.

One can only go so far before they go over the edge :d just in the case of clerics their 'leeway' extends to vit and LA and not beyond that. Same with other classes they have a useful limit that is acceptable among the class players in general.

thumbs

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm curious if people think putting 50+ into vit is fail as a cleric, what would they think of a cleric with 200+ extra strength and wearing heavy armour... If a cleric knows what they are doing it doesn't matter if they have put an extra amount into "vit" or whatever.

By knowing what they're doing meaning: They choose self sufficient squads that don't or barely need a cleric?

StacysMum - Dreamweaver

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

probably as useful as a barb going full mag arcane.

One can only go so far before they go over the edge :d just in the case of clerics their 'leeway' extends to vit and LA and not beyond that. Same with other classes they have a useful limit that is acceptable among the class players in general.

HealingHand used some HA armor parts (not full HA) and he dropped people the same lvl as him (mind you this was before 5 APs sins and R9, doubt it would work now). But technically it used to be viable, you just need a good weapon with damn good refines and shards. Btw LA and HA clerics have nearly the same healing power (build it and check the use of stat points), difference is higher lvl HA armor > LA. That and a claw cleric actually can kill a pure mag AA cleric, sad but it does work.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »

HealingHand used some HA armor parts (not full HA) and he dropped people the same lvl as him (mind you this was before 5 APs sins and R9, doubt it would work now). But technically it used to be viable, you just need a good weapon with damn good refines and shards. Btw LA and HA clerics have nearly the same healing power (build it and check the use of stat points), difference is higher lvl HA armor > LA. That and a claw cleric actually can kill a pure mag AA cleric, sad but it does work.

didnt say its not viable. Its something thats been discussed on the forums since i started here. (prolly in the 2009 threads i remember some talks about that and the cost+refines)

But honestly its not the wisest choice considering the amount of money spent on it to make it 'viable' pretty much makes the same arcane, OP in terms of stats and balance. (this is where garnets came in)

if u look back on the threads in the past youll see many pwi calc simulations made for HA on this forum

Licancura - Archosaur

thumbs wrote: »

Most people never blame themselves for failing. Blame the Bm, archer, seekers because you needed vit since you went cheap on your equips. Vit clerics are mega fail. I tried it; I know.

The fact that you tried something and fail, it only mean YOU failed at it with that particular build, and since I don't know you, I can't say you do better now. I have a veno too, and I've seen your posts there too. You seem to excel at everything, good for you!

I have made mistakes like everybody else (except you maybe), but im not always fail like you implies, and I've done things that according to you, can't be done by a vit cleric so I guess I'm just awesome. b:pleased

Dio_Ren - Heavens Tear

QueenOfNukes - Heavens Tear wrote: »

LMAO

Okay, I'm glad I've never met these clerics on my barb/veno/mystic and I'm glad I'm never guilty of doing such stupid things. I can't stop giggling now.

I love IH and SoR. They're awesome together. Ahhhh! (:

But yes, I do notice that players in general now refuse to listen to tips, soooo their refusal just makes things worse. Oh well, this is why I hate random squads. They think they're gods when they have level 60 quest gear at level 90 and try to bulldoze through everything.

I have seen this hate of clerics from day one in PWI. Its not new, only thing different is that Mystics have better offence gear and some cleric skills, and of course now days so many lvl101 or higher level players who can solo most boss , so cleric not as need, soon we may be non-usable.

thumbs

Licancura - Archosaur wrote: »

The fact that you tried something and fail, it only mean YOU failed at it with that particular build, and since I don't know you, I can't say you do better now.

The build is fail. -don't make it confusing.

I have made mistakes like everybody else (except you maybe), but im not always fail like you implies, and I've done things that according to you, can't be done by a vit cleric so I guess I'm just awesome. b:pleased

You talk a lot of **** but don't give a single example or quote.

Hollyyy - Lost City

New clerics are using blessing of the purehearted. We were always taught it was a big no no back in the day.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Hollyyy - Lost City wrote: »

New clerics are using blessing of the purehearted. We were always taught it was a big no no back in the day.

FCC breeds nubs that teaches nubs that breeds nubs. b:cry

Decus - Dreamweaver

Hollyyy - Lost City wrote: »

New clerics are using blessing of the purehearted. We were always taught it was a big no no back in the day.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

FCC breeds nubs that teaches nubs that breeds nubs. b:cry

Eh, I remember plenty of stupid clerics (stupid players of all classes, really) back in the day. The only difference now is that the idiots run around in better gear. There were plenty of special individuals that leveled and regularly used Purehearted in 2009 too.

Licancura - Archosaur

thumbs wrote: »

The build is fail. -don't make it confusing.

You talk a lot of **** but don't give a single example or quote.

OMG, and you're the one always berating people for being rude to you. I wonder why is that.

I really, really would like to know in which server you play, and your char(s) name(s), so if you're in Archosaur, I could ask my faction mates all about such an amazing player.

I don't detain you anymore, I'm sure the people that know you, are desperately waiting for you to squad with them.

Bye, take care.

Dawnx_ - Harshlands

Hollyyy - Lost City wrote: »

New clerics are using blessing of the purehearted. We were always taught it was a big no no back in the day.

I was doing a FB/BH 59 yesterday on my mystic with 2 other mystics, a sin,a barb, and a 6x cleric who needed the bosses for culti/FB who did this i asked what level his IH was and he said IH was 6 and purehearted was 10, then I asked that he get IH maxed and to use it instead of purehearted.

And roughly a week or so ago i was in a FC on my barb where the cleric didn't purify at the bubble boss and setup BB instead and then died. b:spit

Hollyyy - Lost City

^ That is quite disgraceful. I feel sorry for you.