Tweaked TT Bosses?

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  • Feridon - Raging Tide
    Feridon - Raging Tide Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Played different TTs the last few days (1-3, 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, 3-3) on my Lvl 100 Bm. Nothing changed from what i have seen. :o
  • Ninja_Dagger - Dreamweaver
    Ninja_Dagger - Dreamweaver Posts: 275 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i havent died in TT and i havent noticed any bosses hitting harder except for soulbanisher b:surrender
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  • Larkray - Dreamweaver
    Larkray - Dreamweaver Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Rawrgh maybe you should closely reread this entire thread. evidently there is something up or there wouldn't be more than a single person saying there's a change. Whether it's as small as a bell curve alteration or a coding glitch that is NOT frequent, you can't say nothing is changed or there wouldn't be agreements from others.
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  • scarfaceclaw
    scarfaceclaw Posts: 443 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Programming changes don't take disk space, they take developer time. Development time is a resource PWI has very little of and wouldn't waste it making constant unnoticed tweeks to mobs.

    I bet they make plenty of time for collecting and counting their money.
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Larkray - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Rawrgh maybe you should closely reread this entire thread. evidently there is something up or there wouldn't be more than a single person saying there's a change. Whether it's as small as a bell curve alteration or a coding glitch that is NOT frequent, you can't say nothing is changed or there wouldn't be agreements from others.
    No, simply, no.


    Just because 3 people think that they might have seen changes even though they have no proof and we all know how unreliable human memory is, does not mean it happened, or even that it's likely.
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  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    bosses can "double hit" their aoes back to back if aggro gets stolen. for some bosses, their ranged attack is nothing but aoe, so if you're tank is ranged - expect to get bombarded by aoe's. (dragon hunt axes have enough +range on them to make bosses like Emperor in 3-x spam AoE unless you move closer).

    For 3-2 and 3-3, colluseast hasn't changed at all since they last re-amped him. he's still easier than in 3-1 in that he doesn't do the extreme poison debuff, but he does purge your buffs, stun you, random aggro for 1 attack, and debuff your HP.

    @OP as for wurlord hitting you guys for more %of your hp now - even though you've upgraded your gear to an apparent better set, you may have lost other mods that were present on your previous gear, vitality, mdef, etc. Is your hp now higher or lower than before?... was your BM using marrows? Is the BM used to having blood paint on but no longer was?
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Wurlord's magic attack has a very high range. He cant hit me for 4k or he can hit me for 8k under the exact same circumstances.

    christ man.. wheres your magic defense at? He has *never* hit me that hard. I usually do him with just one cleric too. oh wait... you're claw barb aren't you? i guess you dropped the m.def to get LA orns for 5.0. spark resist?
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    christ man.. wheres your magic defense at? He has *never* hit me that hard. I usually do him with just one cleric too. oh wait... you're claw barb aren't you? i guess you dropped the m.def to get LA orns for 5.0. spark resist?


    Yea, I use 2 evasion ornaments. I almost never get hit by magic attacks since I'm able to time my tripe spark to resist and I have earthquake in case I mess up.

    Although those numbers are from when I was way lower leveled, now he usually hits me for a max of 5k
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  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    understandable then. i was under the impression you were quoting those numbers as what he does to you currently, and I just couldn't fathom that as being true considering even at 9x I've had to tank wurlord + all his clones on 4th set when there was a fail pull. and this was done uncharmed. the fake ones are actually pretty weak which makes it possible to do if everyone doesn't freak out when they see about 20 wurlords running at themb:chuckle
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I usually just invoke, roar, and then holy path into the portal and then back out, and reset them, which should work as long as the cleric dropped BB before you used roar and the DDs didn't attack.
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  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    thats sort of what i do to get the people past the clones onto the rest of the run if I know from past experiences that they fail at doing the double jump on the ramp to pass them without aggroing.. or for w/e reason they end up dying. never really thought of resetting them tbh.. im sure it would save time and money in the long run, but its fun to actually fight them all at once without wiping b:pleased

    reading back I'm seeing larkray talking about barbs with 18k hp getting one shot by Colluseast after the Purge and "STA" debuff. I'm one of those barbs with 18k HP in tiger form fully buffed, but I haven't in the past week been "one shot" by him under those circumstances. The highest i can recall being hit by colluseast lately while unbuffed was ~4k (dont have demon shapeshift) though his magic attack hits me for about 7k - 10k, but I recall getting hits like that prior to the Genesis patch as well. On the latest run I did where we actually did wipe it was due to the cleric that was hiding on the other side of the wall actually getting killed .. through the wall. She didn't have a res scroll on her so had to town it. One by one people dropped. I was the last one left alive unbuffed and spamming crab meats, invoke, ToP etc until he finally killed me with a 7k+ magic attack while I was purged and STA'd (i was kinda kiting him around since i was uncharmed). The next go around i just decided that I would ream him when he went bonkers trying to get to cleric behind wall (aps dd was the one tanking this particular run).
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  • secretsurprise
    secretsurprise Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Yes, simply yes, raw u did it again, made me laugh again (the fail barb that u are is one thing, but thats just an opinion about another theme... ), but u wont see that u are wrong, maybe u cant? I dont know from where u are, but it would be so sad if ur mother language is english, cause mine is not but i just see that u dont see that in any way... maybe look for some glasses? Can help too


    hahahaha

    So far there is any change from wherever it comes that some ppl count it and others not, i said it before, maybe its a thing of different things together that do that. But the thing is i didnt changed anything for sure but its now just bad, pw changed that time. It dont need something bad from the programmers, maybe its a glitch, one that dont counted by all ppl of some reason. Raw u can say it so often u want, it dont hurt me, remember? I just laugh about u and eden, oh damn maybe u are the same person... And im still sad about that there maybe 2 guys that are so poor like u. But not a programmer can change that... haha

    So pls now more funny things...

    Oh im sure u will say now im not wrong u are or so... i wait for it... lol
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    secretsurprise wrote: »
    Yes, simply yes, raw u did it again, made me laugh again (the fail barb that u are is one thing, but thats just an opinion about another theme... ), but u wont see that u are wrong, maybe u cant? I dont know from where u are, but it would be so sad if ur mother language is english, cause mine is not but i just see that u dont see that in any way... maybe look for some glasses? Can help too


    hahahaha

    So far there is any change from wherever it comes that some ppl count it and others not, i said it before, maybe its a thing of different things together that do that. But the thing is i didnt changed anything for sure but its now just bad, pw changed that time. It dont need something bad from the programmers, maybe its a glitch, one that dont counted by all ppl of some reason. Raw u can say it so often u want, it dont hurt me, remember? I just laugh about u and eden, oh damn maybe u are the same person... And im still sad about that there maybe 2 guys that are so poor like u. But not a programmer can change that... haha

    So pls now more funny things...

    Oh im sure u will say now im not wrong u are or so... i wait for it... lol
    Sorry but it's against forum rules to post in a language other than english, you'll have to translate your post.
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  • secretsurprise
    secretsurprise Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    roflmao u think it let show u as more intelligence if u try u cant read what i say? rofl nope, it just make u more poor than before... oh hell that can be? poor poor guy


    haha
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    In the words of the great Samuel L. Jackson.


    English mother****er, do you speak it?
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  • secretsurprise
    secretsurprise Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    oh hell how bad now u cant read and write... what happend? Glasses or just low IQ? The bad is, there arent forum rules about that... Cause in that way u wont be allowed to do anything... but stop u are just so small, i see just a lil person that just flame a lot and that person look so damn funny, damn thats u
  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    secretsurprise wrote: »
    oh hell how bad now u cant read and write... what happend? Glasses or just low IQ? The bad is, there arent forum rules about that... Cause in that way u wont be allowed to do anything... but stop u are just so small, i see just a lil person that just flame a lot and that person look so damn funny, damn thats u

    He's insulting your grammar. If you haven't figured that out by now.

    To be honest, it is horrid. No structure and no correct spelling, even entire words are missing.
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  • secretsurprise
    secretsurprise Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    no worries i got that, but it make him just more poor as before, so bad that he dont understand he wont reach any goal by keeping insulting others again and again about the same thing... the thread was started for another thing and it was started cause of support, so i got one thing more... no success in that way, support fail in that way, cause starting a thread just get ppl like him here, that wont help
  • Mitachi - Dreamweaver
    Mitachi - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    All you people that say it has changed:
    You insist it has, fair enough, yet you fail so provide evidence meaning screenies and stuff, also you not actually registering the fact that the bosses have a HUGE range of magic attack, and perhaps till now you've experienced the toothpick attacks. We're telling you guys this but you fail to read it? You insist that you are right when most people say no its not. You getting angry at us cause we're saying nothing has changed? Your not even taking advice, or constructive criticism (from some people) because you have the mind set of "NO, I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG! YOU ARE NOOB SO DIE IN A CORNER" How do you not expect flames from people if your mindset is like that? Read the first post a few days ago so if im wrong forgive me, but a bm will be one shotted by the final wurlord if you dont run for your future, from what ive experienced with my bm i had to run my *** off after a pull to go in BB, i had to spam hp food and genie skills to stay alive when i was tanking, so its normal if your bm died.
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  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Well, like he and others have stated earlier in the thread, you need to provide 100% hard evidence to support your claim that TT has been tweaked.

    Personally I've noticed a slight increase in the frequency of some bosses hitting in their higher damage range, but not significant enough to warrant a QQ over. As it is, I'm also not going to state my opinion as fact since I don't have evidence to support my observation (I don't make it a habbit to screen cap every boss I tank).
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  • secretsurprise
    secretsurprise Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Rofl one fail more... So again and just for u... WE DONT PUT IN SCREENIES FOR U LIL USERS, WE DONT NEED THAT FOR SUPPORT OR SOMETHING ELSE CAUSE THEY CAN PROOF IT IN ANOTHER WAY,

    WE KNOW THAT BOSSES HAVE HIGH HIT RANGE WE DONT TALK ABOUT THAT RANGE WE TALK ABOUT MORE JUST IN THAT FLAME THREAD NO ONE WILL GET THAT ANYMORE CAUSE THERE TOO MUCH PPL

    AND NO WE DONT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH NORMAL DISCUSS WITH PPL INCLUDED THE ONES THAT SAY NOTHING CHANGED

    SO NOW WE HAVE JUST ONE MORE NOOB HERE THATS U CAUSE U INSULT LIKE THE OTHERS WITH NO REASON WE DID NOTHING OF THAT U TALK ABOUT

    AND IF UR HIGH BM ALLWAYS DIED THERE SO UR BM IS WEAK (I WAS THERE OFTEN ENOUGH WITH DIFFERENT TANK AND IT WORKED, JUST ITS NEW THAT IT DONT WORK ANYMORE EVEN WITH A BARB THAT IS IN THE LVL FOR THE INSTANCE

    AND ONE MORE WE GOT IT THAT THIS THREAD IS JUST A FLAMING ONE AND WONT GIVE US ANYTHING I WOULD BE HAPPY IT WOULDNT BE STARTED CAUSE OF THAT FLAME PEOPLE BUT ITS TOO LATE NOT WE STARTED THAT FLAMING

    GOD THE HELL WHERE ARE THE MODS TO CLOSE THIS?
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Somewhere, without knowing why, my third grade english teacher just let out a bloodcurling scream.
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  • secretsurprise
    secretsurprise Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    dont u see how lol u are? u just insult others for things that is so unimportant... u dont understand anything u are just dumb, still i can just laugh about a person that is so narrowminded, if u cant see the point and if all what we say why u just dont go out, i say u why... cause of the reason i said before u ar just so narrowminded that u arent able to see anything only what ur lil head can do is flame flame flame poor and funny
  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    @.@
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  • MasterofIce - Dreamweaver
    MasterofIce - Dreamweaver Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    finally added Rawrgh on my ignore list for being epic dumpass, insulting other ppl, looking down on them, going OT, and finally epic fail on permanent ignoring any description of the problems with the bosses. Only thing i always read is "you are noobs" "you dont have any evidence" "you cant proof it" and some noob advices like "they have a big dmg range" - i already know that for several months now, dont explain why they start from outta nowhere doing 1-hits in 9/10 cases now.

    On someone like you its useless to argue because you ignore every single argument from others only your opinion counts. As said endless times before i dont screen every freakin tt run so i cant give any screenshot how they were hitting me, i just know they hit 90% so hard now that i cant nearly dream of tanking boss i made easily some weeks ago... and not only me, several other ppl are experiencing the same, and whatever you are flaming,blaming and insulting others Eden, Rawrgh ... and so on. You wont change anything.
    Already did ticket to support like some others already did. Gladly there are not no-brain idiots working like you are, so there is a chance they investigate after several different ppl doing a ticket if there is something wrong with boss triggers or whatever is causing them to hit so hard.
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    MasterofIce - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    finally added Rawrgh on my ignore list for being epic dumpass, insulting other ppl, going down on them, going OT, and finally epic fail on permanent ignoring any description of the problems with the bosses.


    Again, I fail to see how this is relevant.
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  • secretsurprise
    secretsurprise Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    poor so far i know he blacklisted u... hmm
  • SoulRequiem - Sanctuary
    SoulRequiem - Sanctuary Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I don't see any decent reason why you can't post screenshots.
    I known you said you aren't used to screenshots boss fights,but based on the number of replies you made on this thread I assume you care enough to go and do a couple of runs now there and there so you can take some screenies.

    Oh yeah,remember to activate damage log thing and to have your character info window open so we can see your actual defence,also posting your build would help.

    Since you bothered already spending all this time on this thread,why don't bother to make some screenies and not arguing on every one that didn't noticed a significant difference?

    Oh,and if you're not going to do it make up a better excuse,because"I don't wanna bother",or something its lame since how much you already bothered yourself.
    (Yeah I known i repeated myself multiple times).

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    Oh yes and I love how some people getting pissed off when insulted and then,to show off their mature attitude,they insult back with the same(Or worse),words)
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  • FrostSwallow - Sanctuary
    FrostSwallow - Sanctuary Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Sangodoc wrote: »
    Well, sELedit doesn't appear to be able to open the latest data files


    sELedit was able to open Genesis elements.data 10 minutes after the manual patch was available...
  • secretsurprise
    secretsurprise Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    about the last thing i did nothing... for my person so far, i know im not the best in all but hey im just a normal person and im fair and nice, what i hate is ppl that just start insult... but u have right with ur first point... why u didnt wrote that earlier? Cause put a screenie now would just mean we give that to that flamers that dont need it... the ticket is already done so rlly not anymore a reason to put that proofs in here... pff im just tired of that here... the only thing what i hope now is someone close it so that it stop... and my time... hey i sit on pc and i have lots of times while i play to game to look in forum fast, while im flying or wait for squad or something, it dont matter if i do a fast look in here so i dont waste it in that way, but maybe its a waste cause they cant discuss normal, make them poor but who cares, me not, cause im done with it, it dont hurt me in anyway and them not cause they dont understand it... pff

    But i would rlly be happy if u did ur post earlier cause seems u can discuss instead of some others... just too late...

    P.S. no im not just insulting back... the thing is on that time they started the thread started to be more useless as start, we tried several times to say them its ok now... no way
  • SoulRequiem - Sanctuary
    SoulRequiem - Sanctuary Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Oh well too bad

    I'll run myself some 2-3s this weekend I'll see if something as changed(And eventually screen it).
    Also seems like most users mentioned Soulbanisher in 1-3?,I always thought Lord of Percussions was much worse(Apart from the SB's aoe),but oh well I've never been a big fan of 1-3 anyway lol.

    (As for personal experience on my BM with around 14k p.def and 2,5k m.def(I known its low^^),with 7k hp buffed and"only 2 aps base / 2,86 sparked,Wurlord(2-3),hits me on average 1k-2,3k and up to 5k on his m.attack(Under BB effect).Still I've tanked him several ways with a combo of Shadowless Kick / Triple Spark to resist his m.attack while barb keep spam frighten).
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