Tweaked TT Bosses?

avenger665
avenger665 Posts: 0 Arc User
edited March 2011 in General Discussion
Hi, i got the feeling, since last update all TT bosses are way harder now.

In TT 2-3 our 101 BM almost got killed all the time by Wurlord, even after Boss was slowed and Mystic debuffed, and in BB.

Today i was in 1-3 and Soulbanisher is now double hitting every magic attack and doing ridicilous damage...

And i heard too that Colluseant in 3-3 is now even doing same debuff like hes doing in 3-1, and hes also hitting way harder.
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  • Nael - Dreamweaver
    Nael - Dreamweaver Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I solo TT's daily, no difference. For some of them you have to make sure you have enough mob kills so bosses won't pwn you in the face.
  • MasterofIce - Dreamweaver
    MasterofIce - Dreamweaver Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    We killed enough of them... btw all bosses in squad mode..
  • Nael - Dreamweaver
    Nael - Dreamweaver Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I solo squad mode, any from 1-3 to 3-2. Either your squad wasn't very well geared or just had a very bad luck.
  • MasterofIce - Dreamweaver
    MasterofIce - Dreamweaver Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Well i dont know, but i cant remember Soulbanisher doing double hits all the time...
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Considering that the last 491-493 patch was only 10.0MB, it's highly unlikely. A complete reprogramming of TT instances to further increase Boss AI would require a much larger patch.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Considering that the last 491-493 patch was only 10.0MB, it's highly unlikely. A complete reprogramming of TT instances to further increase Boss AI would require a much larger patch.

    Programming changes don't take disk space, they take developer time. Development time is a resource PWI has very little of and wouldn't waste it making constant unnoticed tweeks to mobs.
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  • secretsurprise
    secretsurprise Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    The thing is... i was the cleric in the wurlord squad thingy... i did him together with squads lots of times and my gear is now better than the times earlier... but i got dmg too and im a mag class for sure... wurlord do mag dmg... the times i was in i could easy get the first hit after he was pulled... this time i was very close to die... its strange thats it... same is for soulbanisher... we did him so often and didnt got that dmg... our gear is now better but we get more dmg as before...

    Next is our leader told us the thingy about collu..., she is very experienced, did him often, have good gear... and? she said he is even harder than before... so what?

    The idea about the patch, how big it is and so on... forget it. This changes counted in mb are so small, u wont see if there is anything or not... And if u do any tt in solo mode as high lvl with cash ppl gear or something (means maybe nirvana + x and so on, cause im not the lvl for that atm, but my gear was allways good enough, is now better and still not bad...) that dont explain anything... so sry...

    We search for just normal ppl, cash play is ok for sure ( i do it too but not in all ways, i love it too to work for my gear and so on..). We search for opinions from ppl that do tt squads with high lvls (means higher as that tt need) and for lvl conform squads, ppl that do it in squad mode, all with good but not godlike gear... Oh for sure we need this from ppl that did tt before the patch and now after it...

    So thats what we look for... opinions about it from normal ppl...
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Programming changes don't take disk space, they take developer time. Development time is a resource PWI has very little of and wouldn't waste it making constant unnoticed tweeks to mobs.
    or fixing bugs
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  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    secretsurprise wrote: »
    And if u do any tt in solo mode as high lvl with cash ppl gear or something (means maybe nirvana + x and so on, cause im not the lvl for that atm, but my gear was allways good enough, is now better and still not bad...) that dont explain anything... so sry...

    They said -squad mode- not solo mode.

    I haven't heard any complaining from fac mates, so things are most likely still the same as usual.
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  • Aio - Lost City
    Aio - Lost City Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Considering that the last 491-493 patch was only 10.0MB, it's highly unlikely. A complete reprogramming of TT instances to further increase Boss AI would require a much larger patch.

    All mob AI is server side, they could have no patch at all and completely change how TT works

    Client doesn't do any of that, just does what server tells it
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    The thing is... i was the cleric in the wurlord squad thingy... i did him together with squads lots of times and my gear is now better than the times earlier... but i got dmg too and im a mag class for sure... wurlord do mag dmg... the times i was in i could easy get the first hit after he was pulled... this time i was very close to die... its strange thats it... same is for soulbanisher... we did him so often and didnt got that dmg... our gear is now better but we get more dmg as before...


    Wurlord's magic attack has a very high range. He cant hit me for 4k or he can hit me for 8k under the exact same circumstances.
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  • secretsurprise
    secretsurprise Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    thats strange cause we thought first its cause of lag... some ppl told us about that.. so that we think we get more dmg but its not that, its we lag more... i didnt saw it lagged so much more... but maybe i just didnt realized it...

    and nael talked about solo mode... but i and my squad members want to know it about squad mode... just read... tt bosses in solo mode are easy enough to dont realize changes especially with super gear...

    Oh and im not sure if pwe did a change to make it harder... cause they did patchnotes and there was nothing about it, maybe its just an effect of other changes, a bug or anything else. Sure maybe its nothing but i wonder still, it was rlly even harder as all the times before and that on 2 different days in different tt, different bosses... I just try to explain me that but i cant... All i think is... my gear is good, better as before, im higher as before, but the dmg count say more dmg, anything must be wrong, i just dont know what
  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    secretsurprise wrote: »
    and nael talked about solo mode... but i and my squad members want to know it about squad mode... just read... tt bosses in solo mode are easy enough to dont realize changes especially with super gear...

    Read her second post. She said she solo's -squad mode-. Meaning, she gets 3 other people to squad with her to open squad mode TT, then the 3 people leave, and she, alone, solo's the squad mode TT.
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  • secretsurprise
    secretsurprise Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    ok, ur point... i didnt realized the second post... true so far. but there is still the thing that we do our old tt runs, we are now much higher, much better gear... and im maybe not high enough for that nirvana gear or rank 9... but i play long enough to know how to do tt in squad mode... dont need the explaining about it

    and if i talk about i got more dmg from wurli... i didnt say i got lil more dmg or so... i said i could earlier get easy a hit and now in higher lvl and with better gear i was close to die... i cant say the count now... especially cause i dont know anymore the old ones...

    But ok, sure server side... so maybe u guys from other servers dont have the same problem as we have, maybe we need more ppl from dreamweaver that talk about it.
  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Wurlord has always hit hard. Nothing's changed about him.

    As for DC in 3-x. The last few BH 3-3's I've done since expansion, I've experienced squad wipes with each run, even though I usually don't. I chalk that up to squad dynamics more than him being ramped up. General rule of thumb is: The longer you take to kill him, the higher the chance for **** to go wrong. Since the last 3-4 Bh 3-3 runs, I've been in mostly Rainbow squads. Had they been mostly APS squads, the time would've been cut much shorter on the runs and an almost 0% chance of squad wipes to occur.

    Not everyone has the exact same gears, exact same reaction times or even playstyle. So you can experience wildly different outcomes each run with different squads.
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    and if i talk about i got more dmg from wurli... i didnt say i got lil more dmg or so... i said i could earlier get easy a hit and now in higher lvl and with better gear i was close to die... i cant say the count now... especially cause i dont know anymore the old ones...


    Like, I said he has a LARGE RANGE OF ATTACK DAMAGE


    as in, his minimum damage and his maximum damage is very far apart, meaning he can hit MUCH harder sometimes under the same circumstances, it's just luck. I've been hit for 11k by the magic attack and I've been hit for 4k under the same circumstances.

    Nothing has been changed.
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  • Nael - Dreamweaver
    Nael - Dreamweaver Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Look, it doesn't matter if you have so called "cashshop gear" or "normal gear", if TT is made harder you notice the difference either way because there's no such gear that would make difficulty change unnoticeable. I solo TT's at least 8 times a day and I've never noticed any difference other than amount of lag and rubberbanding.
    It's a bad luck.
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Programming changes don't take disk space, they take developer time. Development time is a resource PWI has very little of and wouldn't waste it making constant unnoticed tweeks to mobs.

    This is PW programming we're talking about here; not your average programming. b:chuckle They use old code to add on to their new code. They actually had to add a patch to change old TT back to hard TT. We had to wait a whole week lol. b:surrender

    As suggested here:
    frankieraye wrote: »
    Hey guys, so we got the official word back from China--


    It turns out that an old data file was used in the latest patch, which reverted the boss AI to how it used to be before the TT difficulty was increased.

    This change was not intended, and we've been informed that leaving it as is would cause other in-game problems down the road especially having to do with large-scale in-game events.

    For this reason, we're going to have to revert back to the more difficult TT soon, possibly next maintenance.

    Believe me, we understand that the overwhelming sentiment is that the players prefer the easier TT, but we are not willing to compromise the stability of the entire game for TT to stay the way it is. Add to this the fact that we're going to be having some major additional new content soon (to be announced shortly!), we just don't think it's a smart risk to take.

    The devs know that you guys prefer TT the way it used to be, so we'll see if they can come up with a different solution to make everyone happy.

    Thanks guys :)
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    We had to wait a whole week


    And what a week that was, so much money was made b:dirty
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I noticed the bosses in BH59 hit a little harder now, too. I used to be able to solo that instance on my veno, regardless of buffs.

    Now, I can't solo it at 82 with cleric buffs, without the actual cleric. :( They hit a lot harder than I remember, as well. Zimo used to tickle; Now Zimo ticks my charm every other hit. My Metal def has gone UP since then, way up, not down. No idea.

    I also noticed on some days, if I took aggro on my Archer on Zimo (STA opener, then cancel auto attack to let tank get aggro), it will actually tick my right through BB. Zimo used to do consistent damage, small spread. Now, it's all over the place, might do 1900, then the next one is 2300. That's through BB, too. =\ And Drake's fire damage is stacking a little faster, and goes higher now.
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  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I noticed the bosses in BH59 hit a little harder now, too. I used to be able to solo that instance on my veno, regardless of buffs.

    Now, I can't solo it at 82 with cleric buffs, without the actual cleric. :( They hit a lot harder than I remember, as well. Zimo used to tickle; Now Zimo ticks my charm every other hit. My Metal def has gone UP since then, way up, not down. No idea.

    I also noticed on some days, if I took aggro on my Archer on Zimo (STA opener, then cancel auto attack to let tank get aggro), it will actually tick my right through BB. Zimo used to do consistent damage, small spread. Now, it's all over the place, might do 1900, then the next one is 2300. That's through BB, too. =\ And Drake's fire damage is stacking a little faster, and goes higher now.

    I haven't been in a 59 in ages, but is there a mob kill counter like FB69 on up?
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  • Larkray - Dreamweaver
    Larkray - Dreamweaver Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I've noticed a dramatic increase to damage as well. BH 3-3 boss used to hit me for under 500 a melee hit. (HA veno sage fox full buffs is why) Now he hits for nearly 2k a melee hit. and his magic attack is nearly 11k on me. it one shot the barb we had in 4 different squads when the hp debuff was ticked. the barb's hp ranged from 10k to 18k debuffed and all of them without fail were 1 shot. These were all experienced players who had all questioned what was going on, EACH time.

    So yes there is something going on with the bosses debuffs/strengths/damage. Would like a GM to at least look into this or respond to one of the 3 tickets faction members have submitted... (day 3 of waiting...)
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I see this thread so often.


    If all these threads claiming that bosses were buffed were true, hell if even half of them were true, then by now all the bosses, even 1-1 bosses, would be able to one shot you the second you enter TT.
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  • MasterofIce - Dreamweaver
    MasterofIce - Dreamweaver Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Only because you dont believe dont start to exaggerate until it is ridicilous. If you wanna exaggerate why you dont say we need lvl100 Barbs to tank fb29?

    I know what i saw. I already tanked freakin Soulbanisher (1-3) already several times for friends. And now? Im 4 lvl higher and hes double hitting me to death in BB like a noob. And not only me (97 sin) .. no hes doing it with a lvl100 herc, a lvl99 archer ...
    Two hits one melee ~2k, one magic 5k+ in BB. -> Instant death
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Fact: this thread pops up at least twice a week

    Fact: if these threads were true, even half of them, and the changes were made only made them SLIGHTLY harder, then by now anyone who even goes to ToA would get one shot
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  • MasterofIce - Dreamweaver
    MasterofIce - Dreamweaver Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Please why cant you start keeping you opinion for yourself? You already said it several times...
    WE ALREADY UNDERSTAND YOU DONT BELIEVE US!
    So stop repeating yourself again and again and stating some "facts" just to show you think we are wrong.
  • Eden - Raging Tide
    Eden - Raging Tide Posts: 301 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i noticed now that fb19 bosses one shot my lvl 120 seeker

    they definitely r changing things
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    MasterofIce - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Please why cant you start keeping you opinion for yourself? You already said it several times...
    WE ALREADY UNDERSTAND YOU DONT BELIEVE US!
    So stop repeating yourself again and again and stating some "facts" just to show you think we are wrong.
    You quote the word facts like it isn't true.
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  • Larkray - Dreamweaver
    Larkray - Dreamweaver Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Rawrgh take your "epic money" and "epic skill" and shove it up your as$. we know what should be happening, we know what IS happening. what IS happening is not what SHOULD be happening.

    Edit: When a bug is brought to attention like the difficulty of a boss being tweaked, the gm's devs do actually fix it (shocker for you i guess that someone can stick to their job?) So no, the tweaks wouldn't stack up, they'd be removed each time someone mentions them, thus returning the boss to its original state.
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Larkray - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Rawrgh take your "epic money" and "epic skill" and shove it up your as$. we know what should be happening, we know what IS happening. what IS happening is not what SHOULD be happening.
    You mad?


    BTW, I just ran a TT3-3, I solo'd a 3-2, I solo'd 1-3 and 2-2 (need my BMs TT80 weps) and I can assure you that nothing has changed.
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