Why can't Archers Use Daggers?

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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    again assuming archers gain damage from daggers like you'd gain damage like from ranged weapons. i'm also assuming daggers have the same physical attack as magic swords because if you look at the existing daggers versus magic sword damage and attack speeds, they're extremely similar.

    hypothetical TT100 dagger + 10: 1194 weapon damage average.

    on lvl 100 archer with say, 480 dex, full TT99 + 2 lunar attack rings, socketing 2 garnet gems:

    base damage:

    (100 + 1194 + 97*2 + 75*2)*((1 + (2*480/3)/100)) = 6879.6

    Assuming every heavy at 9x have at least 70% physical reduction self buffed, you average like 516 a hit. Congratulations. nothing can stop you now. every archer need to scramble to get their +10 daggers!

    Now, suppose you had a bow instead, just to see if the formula is close enough, the same formula indicates that you'd average 890 with +10 Heaven Shatterer on a self-buffed heavy. Sounds about right?
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  • Sunaro - Lost City
    Sunaro - Lost City Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    I think it'd be fun to be able to use daggers once in a while. You know, just for the lulz. b:surrender
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    Sunaro - Lost City wrote: »
    I think it'd be fun to be able to use daggers once in a while. You know, just for the lulz. b:surrender

    You know nothing about bringing the lulz.

    b:scorn
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  • Sunaro - Lost City
    Sunaro - Lost City Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You know nothing about bringing the lulz.

    b:scorn

    Meanie. b:sad
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    Sunaro - Lost City wrote: »
    Meanie. b:sad

    Do not fret, my son. Throughout your journey in this series of tubes called the INTARWEBZ, you will learn.

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  • Sunaro - Lost City
    Sunaro - Lost City Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    do Not Fret, My Son. Throughout Your Journey In This Series Of Tubes Called The Intarwebz, You Will Learn.

    B:cool

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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    Sunaro - Lost City wrote: »
    Teach Me, Oh Great One D=

    It is not something that can be taught. It is something that must be earned.

    This thread's been diverted enough. Back to the pointless arguing.
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  • Kimbley - Harshlands
    Kimbley - Harshlands Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    Sunaro - Lost City wrote: »
    Teach Me, Oh Great One D=

    -sigh- I bet Konari could lead his own religion if he tried b:surrender
  • Sunaro - Lost City
    Sunaro - Lost City Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It is not something that can be taught. It is something that must be earned.

    This thread's been diverted enough. Back to the pointless arguing.
    Kimbley - Harshlands wrote: »
    -sigh- I bet Konari could lead his own religion if he tried b:surrender

    Somehow I don't doubt that, Kimbley @_@

    But yes, back to the pointless arguing. Archers should be able to use daggers because of blah blah blah, and I'm right because blah blah blah. Do not question my logic.
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    Kimbley - Harshlands wrote: »
    -sigh- I bet Konari could lead his own religion if he tried b:surrender

    Don't give me ideas...

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  • ChaoticTears - Harshlands
    ChaoticTears - Harshlands Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    Why can't Archers Use Daggers?

    Because they are to effeminate and hence their wrists are not strong enough to get the blade through armour
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  • DorkFish - Sanctuary
    DorkFish - Sanctuary Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    ChaoticTears - Harshlands wrote: »
    Why can't Archers Use Daggers?

    Because they are to effeminate and hence their wrists are not strong enough to get the blade through armour

    If that were the case, they would be unable to string and draw their bows.

    ~Saitada
  • ChaoticTears - Harshlands
    ChaoticTears - Harshlands Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    DorkFish - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If that were the case, they would be unable to string and draw their bows.

    ~Saitada

    b:cry had to go and spoil it
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  • DorkFish - Sanctuary
    DorkFish - Sanctuary Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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    ChaoticTears - Harshlands wrote: »
    b:cry had to go and spoil it

    I know. I'm sorry.

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  • SovereignVis - Sanctuary
    SovereignVis - Sanctuary Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited August 2010
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    I think all weapons should be able to be used by any class, even if they don't have skills that would make it an effective weapon for their class. If they have the stats needed to hold the weapon then they should be able to use it. Just like anyone can fire a gun, they might not be accurate or effective with it but they can still pull the trigger.
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited August 2010
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    Necro -.-

    Back on topic no. We'll be more OP.
  • NightRage - Raging Tide
    NightRage - Raging Tide Posts: 1,582 Arc User
    edited August 2010
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    Necro.

    If you want a melee weapon, use claws. I do.
  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited August 2010
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    Can someone explain the logic there?
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited August 2010
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    yay it's been a while since I got to use this one

    Doomed_Necromancer.jpg

    P.S.
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    VILKASS: DEVS + Logic= DOES NOT COMPUTE b:bye

    Hurray for Necros. More space to spread this annoying font

    Looking for these?
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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited August 2010
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    What game is that card from?
  • Aubree - Dreamweaver
    Aubree - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,868 Arc User
    edited August 2010
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    SovereignVis - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I think all weapons should be able to be used by any class, even if they don't have skills that would make it an effective weapon for their class. If they have the stats needed to hold the weapon then they should be able to use it. Just like anyone can fire a gun, they might not be accurate or effective with it but they can still pull the trigger.

    Yea i'd like to use Psy weps too but PWI won't allow it. Their weps are so much better than other casters weps.
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited August 2010
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    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »
    What game is that card from?

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  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited August 2010
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    Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Yea i'd like to use Psy weps too but PWI won't allow it. Their weps are so much better than other casters weps.

    ☆☆Psychic's Wish Souldrill

    Soulsphere
    Used by character(s): Psychic
    Close Range
    Grade 14
    Attack Speed 0.91
    Attack Range 2.5
    Physical attack 798-976
    Magical attack 1070-1448


    ☆☆Wheel of Light

    Glaive
    Used by character(s): Cleric
    Close Range
    Grade 14
    Attack Speed 1.25
    Attack Range 3
    Physical attack 666-900
    Magical attack 1077-1616








    wat
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited August 2010
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    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    ☆☆Psychic's Wish Souldrill

    Soulsphere
    Used by character(s): Psychic
    Close Range
    Grade 14
    Attack Speed 0.91
    Attack Range 2.5
    Physical attack 798-976
    Magical attack 1070-1448


    ☆☆Wheel of Light

    Glaive
    Used by character(s): Cleric
    Close Range
    Grade 14
    Attack Speed 1.25
    Attack Range 3
    Physical attack 666-900
    Magical attack 1077-1616








    wat

    Orbs have more physical attack b:avoid

    And look awesome.
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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited August 2010
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    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    yay it's been a while since I got to use this one

    Doomed_Necromancer.jpg

    P.S.



    Looking for these?

    zomfgchat.gifVILKASS: Oh yeah, ty. For some reason all of your old links weren't working.
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited August 2010
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    VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    zomfgchat.gifVILKASS: Oh yeah, ty. For some reason all of your old links weren't working.

    Yeah they used to be in my private album, I moved them to a public one so I could share them in my siggy.
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