Upcoming G17/R5 weapon release in PW-CN Discussion
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Obviously, no one in TW debuffs and purges anyone.*snip more*
You're taking 1v1 and incredibly unlikely situations way too much into consideration for a TW specific situation. Clerics and mystics can't and won't constantly heal 1 barb and the opposing team won't use everyone they have to kill 1 barb. No one can stay immune forever, and also can not keep debuffs off him/herself forever.
You also won't be constantly self-buffed in TW, there's a pretty decent chance you're more buffed than self buffed; due to clerics and buff pills. That would also reduce incoming damage.
Theoretically, when purged and debuffed, a magic critzerk will kill anyone.
There's too many assumptions and too many unlikely situations being used in these examples.
Regardless, if PWI lives long enough, G17 will happen. And it will be the same cycle as it is with everything:- Everything is a-okay, but then something new gets announced
- Complain about the cost / how long it takes to get it
- The first people obtain it, people will complain that it's absolutely OP and broken, because muh oneshots (hey, just like what happened when R9(rr) was released!)
- It somehow becomes easier to obtain (most likely cashshop intensifies)
- More people obtain it, making it the more mainstream thing
- Overall acceptance happens
- We're back at step 1, rinse and repeat cycle.
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how does g17 break endgame?0
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I actually made a comparision myself:
Like I said: http://mypers.pw/8/#322661/322665
While being trip sparked the Psy will deal around 25k-30k ZerkCrits on the buffed barb depending on the skill they use. These are zerkcrits already, not normal crits like the other guys was pretending and as you can see I was very very generous in terms of DMG for the psy. Could the Barb die due to the psy hitting on him with debuffs? Yes. Depending on the Situation. Will he be able to oneshot the barb unless disarmed (with the normal set of debuffs ofc^^)? No.
these are in no way untypical TW-Scenarios. How big is the chance of disarming, Debuffing and at the same time unhinderdly attacking the barb without following things to happen:
1. Barb gets purified.
2. Barb uses genie.
3. Barb uses Apo.
4. Barb's cornered beast ticks, purifies him and puts on CD the whole attempt from the enemy side.
5. The weapon proc immunizes (before the disarm can even happen) giving an opportunity to use invoke, etc.
6. or the barb just simply outruns you (granted, unlikely in a tw as a cata barb but can happen!)
I have the feeling you guys always theorize about situations in which your enemies do absolutely nothing. How is that realistic? When I theorize then I expect my enemies to do the max possible to defend themselves. I dont expect any attempt to succeed.
The major thing I am talking about is the additional 100% save a barb (if lucky) could have all the time. I like the idea that you actually need a decent strategy to kill a cata barb then...but the effort is just way too high. It's already tough to kill some barbs now, G17 will only worse this problem and yes. Having to use 6-10 people alone to kill 1 player can be considered tough.
But just wait and see. If the proc has the same chance as purify then the barb wont ever die. Go ahead, tell all of your people to not AOE anymore cause you might accidentially trigger the proc on the Barbs. Do not forget that there might still be 3-5 other Barbs like that and 79 other people in total that will try to stop you from doing any harm to the barbs.
Can anyone tell me whats unrealistic in my scenario? Cause I expect any tw to be like that.0 -
It's ok, people just glitch the barb in wall anyway, no need to kill him.
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Man why should I watch videos that you editted, and you uploaded to see if you can look good
thats like a chick showing her picture thats been photoshopped out of this planet to show she looks good v_v Ive seen you play, just average, at best, stop hyping urself up like ur some sort of god and, you know, chill, like everyone else -_-'' 0 -
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I actually made a comparision myself:
Like I said: http://mypers.pw/8/#322661/322665
While being trip sparked the Psy will deal around 25k-30k ZerkCrits on the buffed barb depending on the skill they use. These are zerkcrits already, not normal crits like the other guys was pretending and as you can see I was very very generous in terms of DMG for the psy. Could the Barb die due to the psy hitting on him with debuffs? Yes. Depending on the Situation. Will he be able to oneshot the barb unless disarmed (with the normal set of debuffs ofc^^)? No.
G17R5 != R9rr, including statwise, you can't make this kind of comparison like that.
Just throw a simple HF on the group that's with the barb and then thrown a stone smasher on top of them.
I get that you can just use an apo or genie, but all of these situations are theoretical which can all occur
If that normal set of debuffs happen, and, for some magical reason, the psy somehow manages to knock in a zerkcrit with stone smasher, the entire group has a chance to be wiped out. That's unlikely as hell ofcourse, but it could happen.
If the psy just focuses on the barb, it will be down very fast if it's not in 1 shot.
these are in no way untypical TW-Scenarios. How big is the chance of disarming, Debuffing and at the same time unhinderdly attacking the barb without following things to happen:
1. Barb gets purified.
2. Barb uses genie.
3. Barb uses Apo.
4. Barb's cornered beast ticks, purifies him and puts on CD the whole attempt from the enemy side.
5. The weapon proc immunizes (before the disarm can even happen) giving an opportunity to use invoke, etc.
6. or the barb just simply outruns you (granted, unlikely in a tw as a ca7. ta barb but can happen!)
Which is why I said that what I wrote above COULD happen, any given situation can happen; rule of thumb is that no one can stay immune to everything 100% of the time.
I have the feeling you guys always theorize about situations in which your enemies do absolutely nothing. How is that realistic? When I theorize then I expect my enemies to do the max possible to defend themselves. I dont expect any attempt to succeed.
No I don't, but what you are saying now is that you expect your enemy to be on their max possible defense, which will almost never be the case because that would mean they would allow their enemy to use them as a punching bag; e.g. they have to go on the offensive sometime.
But ok, i'll give you that catabarbs are generally just meat punching bags in TW
The major thing I am talking about is the additional 100% save a barb (if lucky) could have all the time. I like the idea that you actually need a decent strategy to kill a cata barb then...but the effort is just way too high. It's already tough to kill some barbs now, G17 will only worse this problem and yes. Having to use 6-10 people alone to kill 1 player can be considered tough.
But just wait and see. If the proc has the same chance as purify then the barb wont ever die. Go ahead, tell all of your people to not AOE anymore cause you might accidentially trigger the proc on the Barbs. Do not forget that there might still be 3-5 other Barbs like that and 79 other people in total that will try to stop you from doing any harm to the barbs.
What proc is it anyway, I haven't seen it yet so i'm missing some information here but i'm guessing it's in one of the pages in this thread.
Has it been tested? Do we know how it works? Can it be purged? (the way CN is creating stuff lately that's probably not the case but still)
If such a proc exists with a high procrate, than that is broken as hell.
Can anyone tell me whats unrealistic in my scenario? Cause I expect any tw to be like that.The only fitting image for this forum.0 -
@attackerv Is there any other advantage of having a house with higher everything ? other than for things related to g17 mats.attackerv said:
624.8m + 4750 gold are just for only one stuff for property value( Chinese word is TuoSoul, idk how to translate it)standoffishman said:
Any chance you could take a look at my post directly above yours, the EDIT part, and point out any big errors? I'm curious if anything conflicts with your understanding of the system.attackerv said:
when u main go high level quest, won't get low level quest. So alts can have low level property value house for low level quest and low mat and main's house for high level quest and matsasterelle said:The blue stuff is tradeable version like with FSP coins. The version you actually need to make weapons though is untradeable.
@attackerv so if you invest in expensive housing and unlock 100% red quests every day, can you invite alts to your house and do red quests on them as well or do you need expensive housing for every alt?
lvl house needs far more 624.8m indeed. Also, there are some other CS stuff in BQ, which is mats pack ( not G17 mats, but for the house stuff mats).
Again, i don't have time and ability to explain all the details. Maybe i give u a example
If you want G17 mats, especially needs rare mats, u need a high level quest.
If you need a high level quest, you need a high property value
If you need a high property value, you need a high level house and a high level TuoSoul (624.8m+4750 gold for max level it)
If you need to level you house, you need more exp of house
if you need to more exp of house, you need to make more furnitures
If you need to make more furnitures, you need the craft map (consumable), mats and energy
If you need more energy, you need more property value
If you need more mats, you need to level you farm and other construction for produing mats, like wood, food et al, ofc, you can get them from BQ.
If you need craft map, you need do craft map daily
If you want to finish you G17 quest, you need some furniture to finish quest according to quest require
if you need some furniture, you need the craft map from map daily quest
so massive......................
OK, if you are a rich man, you can level you house faster. How?
first, main level property value by TuoSoul (600m+4750gold max) so that you have more daily energy.
second, use energy make furnitures so that get more exp to level house.
But you will find your energy >> mats production if you get high property value
Then you need to buy mats from BQ or...very cheap or free craft service for others or alts ( means, ppl provide mats, you lose daily energy and craft map to make furnitures for others, but you get exp)
you can also level alts house, let alts feed mats to your main, so your main can get exp by craft service.
if you level house every thing, so you get enough mats to make funitures and craft maps, you need coin coin coin....total is over billions.....even you do nothing but for maintain house, still need coins daily.
If the sole purpose of Housing System is just for obtaining g17 mats and no other advantage, why invest all those coins and golds on it, why not just use those coins and golds for buying the needed mats directly by doing nothing.0 -
jsxshadow said:
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Um before that post you didn't say anything about the barb being full vit. Actually last time you mentioned it you were talking about deity stones. Regardless you're still very off with that damage test you linked.
For a start you're using a class that has most of it's skills broken or not present in the calculator. Due to this I swapped to psy, although if the SB skills were all present and working correctly it would hit harder.
After that I added an attack charm... because you hadn't for some reason. I then swapped some engraves and stones to better options and swapped the star chart. I changed the magic pen rolls to the equivalent magic attack roles because magic penetration doesn't actually work in the calculator. This is, obviously, a bad star chart but I assumed you'd complain if I put 400 spirit and 1500 magic attack on it. After all this I changed the weapon to match a g17r5 equivalent because you seemed to forget about that part.
Here is the link: http://mypers.pw/8/#322688/322643
Here are the numbers I got for a triple spark zerk crit in various situations:
52-62k both players self buffed
62-74k both players self buffed with EP (extreme poison)
46-54k Adding consumables and cleric buffs to both players along with the EP and self buffs
54-64k Same as the above if the psy has a mystic in squad (for the buff). Note the mystic buff doesn't work in the calculator.
98-118k Same as the above if someone throws HF on the barb. You might consider this an over the top debuff example that you wouldn't get hit by but that's the thing, it might be an amp and a rainbow or a purge instead but people aren't going to let you sit there with a cata for long periods if your side isn't decisively winning anyway.
40-48k If you're using an 80 def level weapon, both players have full buffs and they use EP.
74-89k The same situation as above if someone throws HF on you.
The ranges cover the different psy attack skills and outside of giving you an extra 53 def levels for the last pair your barb was left alone.
Going off these numbers it should take 2-3 geared casters or two and a debuffer to kill a full def cata barb with a g17r5 def weapon in a reasonably short time frame. That sounds about right honestly, diverting 2-3 players onto a single target for a relatively modest length of time isn't exactly hard to do in TW. More so when you are talking about people focus healing you.
You're looking at a full def tank class pulling a cata so it has a role in TW and is very tanky against lower gear players but it's hardly anything crazy.
It also can't kill anything with even a moderate number of def levels without swapping weapons or having a massive card set advantage. Which is fine but worth keeping in mind.
Worth noting all the numbers mentioned should be at least 20-30% higher with a transformed SB. I can't really show it well with the calculator however as it's still very broken for SB/DB as the dev isn't very used to the classes and has limited time, plus they are newer for them than they are for us.
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This was originally intended as a response to your post on the previous page.
In short you fixed some of the problems but that comparison is still awful. Mostly you left off a bunch of int, forgot your psy skills, didn't fix the attack charm and made the star charts favor the barb so much it's not even funny. I assume the star charts were unintentional as you didn't know penetration was broken in the calculator.
Outside of that my original response stays mostly the same.Post edited by standoffishman on0 -
@attackerv Is there any other advantage of having a house with higher everything ? other than for things related to g17 mats.freygin said:
If the sole purpose of Housing System is just for obtaining g17 mats and no other advantage, why invest all those coins and golds on it, why not just use those coins and golds for buying the needed mats directly by doing nothing.
@freygin The new skill and ultraskill pill is from house daily, but just low level house. Yes, high level house is ONLY for G17 mats, and it is huge coin + gold + time consume..... So far no better way than house to reach G17R5, the mat in the market is no far enough to make G17R5 at one night. If you want to get G17R5 earlier than others, house is still the only way.
Worthy or not, just up to u. G17R5 MUST be earier to be reached in the future, but we don't know WHEN and HOW. Players alway have to pay more coin/gold/time to buy SOME TIME adv than others, maybe half year, maybe one year. Then, the gear always become cheaper and cheaper, others can easily reach too. You will lose your gear adv slowly. Then, new gears will show up and if you want to keep ur gear adv, you need to pay more than others again.
To me, I would like to keep my eyes on comine expansion in pwcn. It will come in 2 months and see if any situation change. Then decide if level the house when the housing system come to pwi.
BTW, if you are a fashion lover, you may like the house as well. You can DIY you house and make it unique and cool, not just for G17.
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Why does it favour the Barb? I only added 4 possible stats there on an endgame chart. Double fatestar mdef on an average lvl8 Fate and 2 normal Birthstar Spirits. I also added the same amount of spirit and equivalent Magic attack on the Psy's chart. Why is it in favour for the Barb to have double mdef on the chart? My Barb has double mdef, 3 Buds of mine also have double mdef...heck I rolled so many double mdef charts til now its not even funny.standoffishman said:
Also you forgot to add the def lvl on the Barbs side in your comparision. So, even if I add Tide Spirit and NW wine on the psy side, its still max 14k crit with Aqua impact and max 16.7k with Stone Smasher (so much chi needed for that..I cant even...).
I never edit my videos beyond the point of the start of a battle in NW and the end. That's all. But you can surely show me where the cuts are if you are so keen on pretending that there are some in Between as welldingo488 said:Man why should I watch videos that you editted, and you uploaded to see if you can look good
thats like a chick showing her picture thats been photoshopped out of this planet to show she looks good v_v Ive seen you play, just average, at best, stop hyping urself up like ur some sort of god and, you know, chill, like everyone else -_-''
GL! Don't forget. I am not you. I don't have to make myself look good artificially. Some just have it naturally 
Besides that, you fail to provide any footage whatsoever in which anyone could see that you can do anything in this easy game. Just doesnt exist. So even if I would be average (which I never doubted btw) then what are you? Again. I never said that I am like a god. I am just better then you lot. Why? Cause I am that much better. No. Cause you are that much worse!
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I stopped reading when you said ''That's all.''. That's all.0
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Can you legit be that terrible? You can faith out debuffs once, once, after you are just done trough genie. And obviously 100k+ hits are trough debuffs, amps and whatnots but in fact the barb actually outgeared said psy. But this is exactly my point, all you need to do is debuff/amp the barb after purge and it will drop hard, 80 def levels will do nothing to change that.jsxshadow said:<
Hot damn, whats wrong with the servers you play on. In general, what is wrong with you guys? I already said I am not talking about friggin nubs, I am talking endgame here. So dont come and talk about a non-deity psy hitting a josd Barb for 100k when there is obviously other means of gear influencing this high number or a full set of debuffs ofc.
But good to know that on your server Barbs dont know what Evil Ward and Faith is. Heck, with a proc like that you pretty much just have to keep an eye on the debuffs, nothing else. Not in a slightest OP. No, no. That is exactly the definition of OP. IF you can just relax and play with the minimal effort and still have no problem in surviving/killing others. Heck with such a weapon a barb would most likely not even need to be healed to survive.
First of all, no actual barb can be dropped when it has support up and generally hitting them is a waste of resources, unless you heavily outgear opposition. Or more commonly the barb runs ahead of his support and gets ganked to hell. I nowhere suggested to have half faction hitting barb at once when barb has support up, its nothing but a strawman. And I seriously doubt you have half the TW experience I do, I have pulled cata on barb and archer, I have played cleric and least 3 DD classes on top of that in top tier TWs. You started TWing seriously last year? lol.jsxshadow said:
Stop derailing this thread with your garbage people. You clearly have no idea about this game if all you keep spouting out is Biased nonesense. Start to compare things on friggin equal terms. EQUAL! Same with your "slightly organized guilds". Heck are you only having 80v40 TWs? Are only fighting the weakest of factions? Again, if you have an equally strong faction as your opponent then you WILL NOT HAVE THE TIME TO FOCUS ONE FRIGGIN PLAYER. talking about actual experience. Dont make me laugh. You all seem to be playing playmobile all day long. Obviously there is 0 endgame PvP experience judging from what you guys display. How dare you even responding in a thread like this with your utter nonesense.
"Squad 5 take down this barb after disarming him!" "Yes, Sir!"..."Sir we got killed cause an enemy BM and Storm kept CCing us and only a few of us could actually attack the barb WHICH ISNT ENOUGH BY FAR"! -> Dreamworld = "10+ ppl can just attack one player without getting stopped or interrupted by anyone while fighting 79 other ppl as well. Sure. Absolutely realistic. I agree." "But they could also use genie/apo to make them unstoppable!" you might say...sure. While the barb just has to press Faith + IG as well and all your ppl will be defenseless afterwards. GG.
No one cares if a returning jaded Barb with 400 spirit and such a weapon would still die like nothing. Put it on a MAX geared barb and see that it will be beyond broken. Why do I even have to say that? Thats common friggin sense.
Generally you drop anything that rezzes and key DDs before you even look at the barbs. This is no rocket science, actual barbs are designed to take hits and you wont jump them if they have a clue what they are doing. This is just common sense and I personally didnt expect the need to even state it.
Lastly, the barb wasnt returning player with 400 spirit, it was the best geared barb on server at the time iirc. But correct use of debuffs and amps resulted into said numbers.
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Seriously, you guys with your walls are going to derail the thread again. I already had to close it and clean it up once.0
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What's different in PWI that makes Nuema Portal obtainable now than before ?catgirldesu said:I know theory and actual in-game experience can be very different, but so far I don't like these new weapons. Thus, I hope they keep things like it is in PWCN currently (or a little cheaper at best). I don't want to see these weapons pop up anytime soon.
They can make them easier to obtain later, much like they did with War Avatars (Nuema Portal is obtainable now, for CSers or mega-merchants) and will do with the Star Chart materials.0 -
I find your numbers and rant funny. I can hit the best geared barbs on the server (+12 josd 6 a card card sets) (which you are not one of) for 90k damage with my debuffs alone and my stormbringer isn't fully enggame yet (very close tho). So stop acting like you got some godcomplex when your just as much as a 1 shot as anyone else on this server to any arcane class that knows what they are doing.jsxshadow said:
Hot damn, whats wrong with the servers you play on. In general, what is wrong with you guys? I already said I am not talking about friggin nubs, I am talking endgame here. So dont come and talk about a non-deity psy hitting a josd Barb for 100k when there is obviously other means of gear influencing this high number or a full set of debuffs ofc.saxroll said:
Shows how utterly clueless you are regarding anything related to mass PvP. I seen SS of full JoSD barb getting hit for 107k by non deity psy. You purge, debuff and amp the barb before actually trying to kill it. But when you setup the kill properly, the barb drops pretty effortlessly, it really wont matter if the barb has extra 80 def levels or not. Though in reality that defense level increase will only be 50-60 as everybody is already pulling with r8r weapon.jsxshadow said:
1 Thing, that aside from the 1on1 aspect totally destroys G17 are yet again, Barb or in that matter maybe also Seeker and BMs but they lack the genie survivability variety. Imagine 1 year in, 10% of the former endgame people have their g17R5. One of them is a maxed out Barb with a 80 Def lvl weapon, the immunity proc (I'm assuming its 4-5 seconds each proc) combined with full jades and full vit statting and a decent card set (so ~1500 spirit unbuffed). Put him in a TW active guild and have some 80v80 TWs. If the immunity proc has the same chance (or even when it only has half or a quarter of the chance its still stupid) and this barb is at the base crystal holding a cata. 40 ppl are hitting on him and maybe there are some with a g17 weap that could deal some moderate dmg on ~200 def lvl (ya, think again) others, that dont have such a weapon, will only be dealing neglicable dmg and keep procing the immunity. How will you even disarm such a barb when he gets attacked by many? Time it with your whole faction to kill ONE Barb? Even if the immunity proc should fail sometimes...the barb still has ALL the genie, apo, own skills and def charms at his disposal to prolong his life. Duh?!
But ya, G17 is sooo awesome. Just epic that you just need to get 4 barbs like that in your fac and you always win due to them being unkillable. If you now place your bets on PW placing an internal CD on the proc then you guys are by far the most delusional crowd I have ever spoken to.
If proc rate is no more than what puri proc is, which I can imagine being safe bet, it really wont save even the big barbs for long. Remotely organized guilds know exactly how to get around such proc (If you arent heavy hitting caster/debuffer, you leave it alone). But you act as if there is mass of ppl mindlessly proccing the proc, which simply requires **** opposition.
Still I feel arguing over proc we know very little bout is silly and the 80 def levels isnt remotely scary in mass PvP, which is what Wanmei seems to least try to balance. Not saying they succeeding but its clearly their focus.
Ps. Over half of your post had nothing to add but to go on what a special little snowflake you are, which is honestly pretty sad.
But good to know that on your server Barbs dont know what Evil Ward and Faith is. Heck, with a proc like that you pretty much just have to keep an eye on the debuffs, nothing else. Not in a slightest OP. No, no. That is exactly the definition of OP. IF you can just relax and play with the minimal effort and still have no problem in surviving/killing others. Heck with such a weapon a barb would most likely not even need to be healed to survive.
My Barb has mere 1470 Spirit and is just vit sharded and gets hit max 25k trip sparked from the strongest psy on our server with over 1800 spirit, better cards, gears, full deity and so on. Thats without the def lvl weapon. So go on and dream about your unrealistic numbers. That you guys always have to compare apples to pines. Holy cow. "trololol I dealt so much dmg on a char that is significantly worse geared than me, I am sooo OP, I am so pro." Then keeps talking about me boasting my ego AHAHA (yes, even when it wasnt you who did that. You just respond to me to put yourself above me, which is the worst type of egoistic cancer but you guys will never realise that, sadly).
Stop derailing this thread with your garbage people. You clearly have no idea about this game if all you keep spouting out is Biased nonesense. Start to compare things on friggin equal terms. EQUAL! Same with your "slightly organized guilds". Heck are you only having 80v40 TWs? Are only fighting the weakest of factions? Again, if you have an equally strong faction as your opponent then you WILL NOT HAVE THE TIME TO FOCUS ONE FRIGGIN PLAYER. talking about actual experience. Dont make me laugh. You all seem to be playing playmobile all day long. Obviously there is 0 endgame PvP experience judging from what you guys display. How dare you even responding in a thread like this with your utter nonesense.
"Squad 5 take down this barb after disarming him!" "Yes, Sir!"..."Sir we got killed cause an enemy BM and Storm kept CCing us and only a few of us could actually attack the barb WHICH ISNT ENOUGH BY FAR"! -> Dreamworld = "10+ ppl can just attack one player without getting stopped or interrupted by anyone while fighting 79 other ppl as well. Sure. Absolutely realistic. I agree." "But they could also use genie/apo to make them unstoppable!" you might say...sure. While the barb just has to press Faith + IG as well and all your ppl will be defenseless afterwards. GG.
No one cares if a returning jaded Barb with 400 spirit and such a weapon would still die like nothing. Put it on a MAX geared barb and see that it will be beyond broken. Why do I even have to say that? Thats common friggin sense.
G17 will be absolute ENDGAME and you guys keep talking about semi-Endgame. Such BS. If you dont have actual experience in the current endgame just SHUT IT FFS. Other people that actually come here to learn something might listen to your **** and become dumber instead of wiser.
Havnt I explained enough? Do you finally realise why G17 will break the game literally? I don't wanna waste the time actually..but if I have to then I will explain in detail which classes get way too strong then and how it will further effect mass- and regular PvP. Altho its common sense and shouldnt have to be explained..oh well ._.
in a note that actually has to do with the discussion and not people being egotistical, do we have an estimate eta for this update? I feel like we should of gotten it like 2-3+ weeks ago.
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What's different in PWI that makes Nuema Portal obtainable now than before ?
Certain promos give you a guaranteed Nuema Portal card if you charge or spend a certain amount of gold. You do them all and eventually you'll get the set. Usually such players already own a card or two from the set from opening S chests/packs in the past. Then it's a matter of waiting for the promo that has the cards they are missing, then charge or spend their saved up gold to get the card.0 -
We are not even close, we havent gotten any patches since Dragon Conquest from China. We are more than 6 months behind now if I remember China patch dates correctly.tictic99999 said:
in a note that actually has to do with the discussion and not people being egotistical, do we have an estimate eta for this update? I feel like we should of gotten it like 2-3+ weeks ago.0 -
Well G17 weaps were released in pwcn in mid november which was almost 4 months ago. That's about par for the course really. I am expecting it to arrive here within the next few weeks.0
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@saxroll That was exactly what I was referring to. Nothing more. It is already hard dropping a barb. Adding a proc like that ontop of those extra def level will make it significantly harder. that is all I have ever said and yes that is indeed common sense. Just look how much I had to type for someone to finally realize that. So many people go like: "blablabla I could do that much dmg still blablabla if I had 12 sparks and triple the gears of other people!" So out of the realm of reality that its just rediculous.
...you tried fighting my Barb and failed miserably dispite having better gears and SO much dmg that you claim to have. You are absolutely no obstacle for me and my Storm is still alot stronger than your garbage one. Maybe you finally gear up a bit or more importantly, learn to play. My numbers are legit. Yours are just delusional. I can oneshot my Barb with my Storm as well. Good Luck pulling that off tho with the way you play. Not on me mate. Not on me. If ya like we can go right at it, immidiatlytictic99999 said:
I find your numbers and rant funny. I can hit the best geared barbs on the server (+12 josd 6 a card card sets) (which you are not one of) for 90k damage with my debuffs alone and my stormbringer isn't fully enggame yet (very close tho). So stop acting like you got some godcomplex when your just as much as a 1 shot as anyone else on this server to any arcane class that knows what they are doing.jsxshadow said:
Hot damn, whats wrong with the servers you play on. In general, what is wrong with you guys? I already said I am not talking about friggin nubs, I am talking endgame here. So dont come and talk about a non-deity psy hitting a josd Barb for 100k when there is obviously other means of gear influencing this high number or a full set of debuffs ofc.saxroll said:
Shows how utterly clueless you are regarding anything related to mass PvP. I seen SS of full JoSD barb getting hit for 107k by non deity psy. You purge, debuff and amp the barb before actually trying to kill it. But when you setup the kill properly, the barb drops pretty effortlessly, it really wont matter if the barb has extra 80 def levels or not. Though in reality that defense level increase will only be 50-60 as everybody is already pulling with r8r weapon.jsxshadow said:
1 Thing, that aside from the 1on1 aspect totally destroys G17 are yet again, Barb or in that matter maybe also Seeker and BMs but they lack the genie survivability variety. Imagine 1 year in, 10% of the former endgame people have their g17R5. One of them is a maxed out Barb with a 80 Def lvl weapon, the immunity proc (I'm assuming its 4-5 seconds each proc) combined with full jades and full vit statting and a decent card set (so ~1500 spirit unbuffed). Put him in a TW active guild and have some 80v80 TWs. If the immunity proc has the same chance (or even when it only has half or a quarter of the chance its still stupid) and this barb is at the base crystal holding a cata. 40 ppl are hitting on him and maybe there are some with a g17 weap that could deal some moderate dmg on ~200 def lvl (ya, think again) others, that dont have such a weapon, will only be dealing neglicable dmg and keep procing the immunity. How will you even disarm such a barb when he gets attacked by many? Time it with your whole faction to kill ONE Barb? Even if the immunity proc should fail sometimes...the barb still has ALL the genie, apo, own skills and def charms at his disposal to prolong his life. Duh?!
But ya, G17 is sooo awesome. Just epic that you just need to get 4 barbs like that in your fac and you always win due to them being unkillable. If you now place your bets on PW placing an internal CD on the proc then you guys are by far the most delusional crowd I have ever spoken to.
If proc rate is no more than what puri proc is, which I can imagine being safe bet, it really wont save even the big barbs for long. Remotely organized guilds know exactly how to get around such proc (If you arent heavy hitting caster/debuffer, you leave it alone). But you act as if there is mass of ppl mindlessly proccing the proc, which simply requires **** opposition.
Still I feel arguing over proc we know very little bout is silly and the 80 def levels isnt remotely scary in mass PvP, which is what Wanmei seems to least try to balance. Not saying they succeeding but its clearly their focus.
Ps. Over half of your post had nothing to add but to go on what a special little snowflake you are, which is honestly pretty sad.
But good to know that on your server Barbs dont know what Evil Ward and Faith is. Heck, with a proc like that you pretty much just have to keep an eye on the debuffs, nothing else. Not in a slightest OP. No, no. That is exactly the definition of OP. IF you can just relax and play with the minimal effort and still have no problem in surviving/killing others. Heck with such a weapon a barb would most likely not even need to be healed to survive.
My Barb has mere 1470 Spirit and is just vit sharded and gets hit max 25k trip sparked from the strongest psy on our server with over 1800 spirit, better cards, gears, full deity and so on. Thats without the def lvl weapon. So go on and dream about your unrealistic numbers. That you guys always have to compare apples to pines. Holy cow. "trololol I dealt so much dmg on a char that is significantly worse geared than me, I am sooo OP, I am so pro." Then keeps talking about me boasting my ego AHAHA (yes, even when it wasnt you who did that. You just respond to me to put yourself above me, which is the worst type of egoistic cancer but you guys will never realise that, sadly).
Stop derailing this thread with your garbage people. You clearly have no idea about this game if all you keep spouting out is Biased nonesense. Start to compare things on friggin equal terms. EQUAL! Same with your "slightly organized guilds". Heck are you only having 80v40 TWs? Are only fighting the weakest of factions? Again, if you have an equally strong faction as your opponent then you WILL NOT HAVE THE TIME TO FOCUS ONE FRIGGIN PLAYER. talking about actual experience. Dont make me laugh. You all seem to be playing playmobile all day long. Obviously there is 0 endgame PvP experience judging from what you guys display. How dare you even responding in a thread like this with your utter nonesense.
"Squad 5 take down this barb after disarming him!" "Yes, Sir!"..."Sir we got killed cause an enemy BM and Storm kept CCing us and only a few of us could actually attack the barb WHICH ISNT ENOUGH BY FAR"! -> Dreamworld = "10+ ppl can just attack one player without getting stopped or interrupted by anyone while fighting 79 other ppl as well. Sure. Absolutely realistic. I agree." "But they could also use genie/apo to make them unstoppable!" you might say...sure. While the barb just has to press Faith + IG as well and all your ppl will be defenseless afterwards. GG.
No one cares if a returning jaded Barb with 400 spirit and such a weapon would still die like nothing. Put it on a MAX geared barb and see that it will be beyond broken. Why do I even have to say that? Thats common friggin sense.
G17 will be absolute ENDGAME and you guys keep talking about semi-Endgame. Such BS. If you dont have actual experience in the current endgame just SHUT IT FFS. Other people that actually come here to learn something might listen to your **** and become dumber instead of wiser.
Havnt I explained enough? Do you finally realise why G17 will break the game literally? I don't wanna waste the time actually..but if I have to then I will explain in detail which classes get way too strong then and how it will further effect mass- and regular PvP. Altho its common sense and shouldnt have to be explained..oh well ._.
in a note that actually has to do with the discussion and not people being egotistical, do we have an estimate eta for this update? I feel like we should of gotten it like 2-3+ weeks ago. Youtube will judge Besides that, I am not the one running around insulting anyone and putting myself above them, unlike you, there is enough proof for that. Hypocrits shall fade. I would rather keep getting smacked by anyone in this thread cause I dont know them like I know you. You have absolutely no right to open your mouth ever. I am better than you in any regard. Normally I dont say that, but you deserve it the most Enjoy.
@sylenthunder Do you expect me to not defend myself. I mean I wouldn't have to, but some of their points are so rediculous and just to put themselves above me obviously. I dont want that. Anyone could just claim they are better without an inch of a proof. Rediculous. You have some contacts to the gms and all..is there a possibility that we might get X-Server Battlegrounds someday? CN has something like that dont they? Would be awesome. then all those pointless flamefilled threads wouldnt exist. And those people would just shut up.0 -
@sylenthunder Do you expect me to not defend myself. I mean I wouldn't have to, but some of their points are so rediculous and just to put themselves above me obviously. I dont want that. Anyone could just claim they are better without an inch of a proof. Rediculous. You have some contacts to the gms and all..is there a possibility that we might get X-Server Battlegrounds someday? CN has something like that dont they? Would be awesome. then all those pointless flamefilled threads wouldnt exist. And those people would just shut up.
I expect that the horrendous walls of text could be greatly minimized.
I expect you can make a simple response without a huge wall of text.
I expect others responding to you can also keep from making huge walls of text.
I expect the back-and-forth attack/defend **** to just stop. Seriously. It happens almost every freaking time you post half a wall of text. Expect that people are going to disagree with your opinion.
It might also be nice if you guys stopped quoting the entire freaking wall when you are replying with a wall of your own.
This thread is for discussing the upcoming content, not for bickering back and forth with walls of text.
I do not understand what is hard to comprehend about that.0 -
@sylenthunder You are right. Besides, everything that could've been said about G17 is said for me. I made my point and whatever people are listening to it or not is totally up to them. Was fun while it lasted
Let's just see how G17 plays out in the end.
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@tictic99999 says that can one shot Datrion from Dawnglory
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And my point is, the new proc will change nothing in terms of how effective catabarbs are, which you clearly dont get. There will be no unkillable catabarbs as they are already tier where you need to drop support before dropping the barb. W/o support no barb will tank the high DDs from opposing side w/o massive gear disparity, which wont exist in semi even TWs. For every G17 barb there is a G17 DD ready to drop them.jsxshadow said:@saxroll That was exactly what I was referring to. Nothing more. It is already hard dropping a barb. Adding a proc like that ontop of those extra def level will make it significantly harder. that is all I have ever said and yes that is indeed common sense. Just look how much I had to type for someone to finally realize that. So many people go like: "blablabla I could do that much dmg still blablabla if I had 12 sparks and triple the gears of other people!" So out of the realm of reality that its just rediculous.
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we will know in 1 year when people will finaly (if) get these weaponsaxroll said:
And my point is, the new proc will change nothing in terms of how effective catabarbs are, which you clearly dont get. There will be no unkillable catabarbs as they are already tier where you need to drop support before dropping the barb. W/o support no barb will tank the high DDs from opposing side w/o massive gear disparity, which wont exist in semi even TWs. For every G17 barb there is a G17 DD ready to drop them.jsxshadow said:@saxroll That was exactly what I was referring to. Nothing more. It is already hard dropping a barb. Adding a proc like that ontop of those extra def level will make it significantly harder. that is all I have ever said and yes that is indeed common sense. Just look how much I had to type for someone to finally realize that. So many people go like: "blablabla I could do that much dmg still blablabla if I had 12 sparks and triple the gears of other people!" So out of the realm of reality that its just rediculous.
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Thanks for the info, as much as I want to keep my gears updated, I think I'll wait and give it some time when the update arrives, it's not like where I play will get the update anytime soon anyway. Keep us informed when new expansion hits pwcn, we'd like to know too what's next.attackerv said:
@freygin The new skill and ultraskill pill is from house daily, but just low level house. Yes, high level house is ONLY for G17 mats, and it is huge coin + gold + time consume..... So far no better way than house to reach G17R5, the mat in the market is no far enough to make G17R5 at one night. If you want to get G17R5 earlier than others, house is still the only way.
Worthy or not, just up to u. G17R5 MUST be earier to be reached in the future, but we don't know WHEN and HOW. Players alway have to pay more coin/gold/time to buy SOME TIME adv than others, maybe half year, maybe one year. Then, the gear always become cheaper and cheaper, others can easily reach too. You will lose your gear adv slowly. Then, new gears will show up and if you want to keep ur gear adv, you need to pay more than others again.
To me, I would like to keep my eyes on comine expansion in pwcn. It will come in 2 months and see if any situation change. Then decide if level the house when the housing system come to pwi.
BTW, if you are a fashion lover, you may like the house as well. You can DIY you house and make it unique and cool, not just for G17.
It's a bit disappointing that the housing system is mainly for g17 weapon and only offers aesthetics even though I'll definitely love it and I bet most ppl will too. If the progress to make g17r5 weapon takes years, imo they should add more stuffs as incentive to bear with the time and the cost other than just aesthetics.
BTW, about this "if you level house every thing, so you get enough mats to make funitures and craft maps, you need coin coin coin....total is over billions.....even you do nothing but for maintain house, still need coins daily. " Do you have an estimate on how many billions is it to be more exact, like 2 or 5 or 10 billions ? and the daily coins needed just to maintain the house.
It's no surprise that the total coins on cn server must be in much much greater figures than on PWI, thanks to their botters, but how do they expect ppl on PWI server where bots are rare or non existent, to have that much coins ? or other regions for that matter, where bots also existed, but with the coin sink over the years and no more worthy drops from mobs, will of course greatly reduced. PWI has different NW furnace with much lower cost for supply token exchange for various items though, they could lower the cost, but still, not all regions have the same total number of coins.
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As I said before they don't actually have more coins or higher overall inflation than we do. China did have a botting problem but it's fairly past tense as far as I can tell. Keep in mind they got some coin sinks we didn't and they also use in game captchas. Note they also don't have a particularly high gold price.freygin said:
Thanks for the info, as much as I want to keep my gears updated, I think I'll wait and give it some time when the update arrives, it's not like where I play will get the update anytime soon anyway. Keep us informed when new expansion hits pwcn, we'd like to know too what's next.attackerv said:
@freygin The new skill and ultraskill pill is from house daily, but just low level house. Yes, high level house is ONLY for G17 mats, and it is huge coin + gold + time consume..... So far no better way than house to reach G17R5, the mat in the market is no far enough to make G17R5 at one night. If you want to get G17R5 earlier than others, house is still the only way.
Worthy or not, just up to u. G17R5 MUST be earier to be reached in the future, but we don't know WHEN and HOW. Players alway have to pay more coin/gold/time to buy SOME TIME adv than others, maybe half year, maybe one year. Then, the gear always become cheaper and cheaper, others can easily reach too. You will lose your gear adv slowly. Then, new gears will show up and if you want to keep ur gear adv, you need to pay more than others again.
To me, I would like to keep my eyes on comine expansion in pwcn. It will come in 2 months and see if any situation change. Then decide if level the house when the housing system come to pwi.
BTW, if you are a fashion lover, you may like the house as well. You can DIY you house and make it unique and cool, not just for G17.
It's a bit disappointing that the housing system is mainly for g17 weapon and only offers aesthetics even though I'll definitely love it and I bet most ppl will too. If the progress to make g17r5 weapon takes years, imo they should add more stuffs as incentive to bear with the time and the cost other than just aesthetics.
BTW, about this "if you level house every thing, so you get enough mats to make funitures and craft maps, you need coin coin coin....total is over billions.....even you do nothing but for maintain house, still need coins daily. " Do you have an estimate on how many billions is it to be more exact, like 2 or 5 or 10 billions ? and the daily coins needed just to maintain the house. It's no surprise that the total coins on cn server must be in much much greater figures than on PWI, thanks to their botters, but how do they expect ppl on PWI server where bots are rare or non existent, to have that much coins ?
Earlier rewards from housing pre r4/5 is a problem as you say. Mostly because our previous good weapons have all been much, much easier to get. Coin sinks however are pretty comparable across servers for the most part.0 -
But the coins needed is in billions and it's coin sink, not passing coins among players. Active players are probably in the range of hundreds, below 500 mains maybe (cmiiw). Coin sink will be massive after this expansion.0
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China had some moderate deflation by my understanding. I suspect we'll see some however the coin sink is spread out and many players won't spend that much on housing.freygin said:But the coins needed is in billions and it's coin sink, not passing coins among players. Active players are probably in the range of hundreds, below 500 mains maybe (cmiiw). Coin sink will be massive after this expansion.
Keep in mind our coin faucets still introduce an awful lot of coin, if only due to JoJ and perfect tokens.
For some context the coin sink on a set of NW gear is 1.15b or so. That's not counting the WS weapons as it assumes R9.0
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