It's hilarious because there are literally so many reasons why you would or could change races in roleplay even in terms of a D&D Tabletop P&P Campaign. Saying that this would break immersion, you appear to have no understanding of D&D to begin with.
Reincarnation much? Elan transformation? Dragonborn of Bahamut? Race Rebuild Quest? (Players Handbook II)
This -needs- to be in-game.
Especially when they just released another sh#$ty mask, that guess what? DOESN'T WORK FOR TIEFLINGS.
Aughh!
I can basically only quote this for emphasis (and to subscribe to the thread ).
Race changes have been a common thing, even in P&P D&D and there really isn't anything that could count against it in an MMO like this.
If something breaks immersion, it is be dying without having to reroll/reincarnate in the first place... :P
Any news from cryptics yet on this? Alot of people want it, some dont play until it's implemented even... 31 pages from us, you could expect a single line back from them, pertaining to this, with a date preferably.
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thelastdarknessMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2013
Ummm this is stupid.
You have extra character slots and your gear does unbind/can be traded or mailed to a new character. Also most of the racial stats dont matter except in early game. Its the initial stat rolls that can really bite you in the rear. I really wish when you moused over them it told you what they did instead of having to make a character and log in to check your character pane.
Dont get tricked either some of the race/class combos look really good but are ultimatly weaker at endgame.
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jadetoraMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 116Bounty Hunter
Any news from cryptics yet on this? Alot of people want it, some dont play until it's implemented even... 31 pages from us, you could expect a single line back from them, pertaining to this, with a date preferably.
You'd think they would have gotten the message by now and started working on immediately implementing this either before or with the Fury of the Feywilds. There's so much money to be made from this.
You have extra character slots and your gear does unbind/can be traded or mailed to a new character. Also most of the racial stats dont matter except in early game. Its the initial stat rolls that can really bite you in the rear. I really wish when you moused over them it told you what they did instead of having to make a character and log in to check your character pane.
Dont get tricked either some of the race/class combos look really good but are ultimatly weaker at endgame.
Uh? What game are you playing? There's no way to unbind gear from your character unless we've missed something pretty big. Starting over a new chara is a pain in the a@# anyway. Some of us don't want to spend all that tons of time leveling -everything- up again.
HOnestly...I think that simply adjusting the stats and their benefits for individual classes is allot easier then adding this option. just move some of the recharge rate to wis instead of cha, and move the crit bonus to cha. whatever works. shuffle things a bit. all classes could use a bit of attention in this department...when a melee DPS class stacks CON, and a healing class stacks STR...you know somethings off. I appreciate their attempt to make multiple stats viable, but when the primary stats for a class isn't the most wanted...don't think I need to say any more. but we don't need a race change...we just need our primary stats to be...well, primary
HOnestly...I think that simply adjusting the stats and their benefits for individual classes is allot easier then adding this option. just move some of the recharge rate to wis instead of cha, and move the crit bonus to cha. whatever works. shuffle things a bit. all classes could use a bit of attention in this department...when a melee DPS class stacks CON, and a healing class stacks STR...you know somethings off. I appreciate their attempt to make multiple stats viable, but when the primary stats for a class isn't the most wanted...don't think I need to say any more. but we don't need a race change...we just need our primary stats to be...well, primary
That change, without adding in the ability to reroll your initial Ability Score roll, screws over the people who have already made new characters to fix their initial roles.
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jadetoraMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 116Bounty Hunter
HOnestly...I think that simply adjusting the stats and their benefits for individual classes is allot easier then adding this option. just move some of the recharge rate to wis instead of cha, and move the crit bonus to cha. whatever works. shuffle things a bit. all classes could use a bit of attention in this department...when a melee DPS class stacks CON, and a healing class stacks STR...you know somethings off. I appreciate their attempt to make multiple stats viable, but when the primary stats for a class isn't the most wanted...don't think I need to say any more. but we don't need a race change...we just need our primary stats to be...well, primary
Without the ability to change races it also screws some of us who are very unhappy with certain aspects of our respective races. Especially as we've mentioned with the issue of a great many things being pointedly bugged and clipping horribly on Tieflings such as masks and many fashion items which you either have to deal with terrible clipping with or just not use.
That's just not fair. Especially considering one of those masks came in a $60 pack we purchased before the game was even open that was specifically advertised as a perk of that pack. You buy a perk but can't use it because it doesn't work with your race? That's bulls@#t.
Not only that, but other reasons motivate us to wanting to change races. In the end a change-race option is probably the easiest choice because it would offer a 'full-package' to people. That's far more universally accommodating for everyone than just 'adjusting stats'.
I'd actually not be against this... purely because it will let me turn my wood elf into a moon elf when feywild comes out.. she was supposed to be a moon elf anyway.
I don't see why roll players would care too much either. I mean, people who are roll playing a character aren't going to be using the race change thing anyway, because it would undermine the character they created. And its not going to break any real immersion seeing some guy having changed race or base stats, especially not when there's already hundreds of people running around with names like 'SuperHer0Aesomesauce'.
More options are always a good thing. Whether your a roll player or not, I can't see any valid reason to be against this idea.
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jadetoraMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 116Bounty Hunter
I'd actually not be against this... purely because it will let me turn my wood elf into a moon elf when feywild comes out.. she was supposed to be a moon elf anyway.
I don't see why roll players would care too much either. I mean, people who are roll playing a character aren't going to be using the race change thing anyway, because it would undermine the character they created. And its not going to break any real immersion seeing some guy having changed race or base stats, especially not when there's already hundreds of people running around with names like 'SuperHer0Aesomesauce'.
More options are always a good thing. Whether your a roll player or not, I can't see any valid reason to be against this idea.
Roleplay. Not 'rollplay,' unless you're rolling around in roleplay and then you're roleplaying rollplay.
It's hilarious because there are literally so many reasons why you would or could change races in roleplay even in terms of a D&D Tabletop P&P Campaign. Saying that this would break immersion, you appear to have no understanding of D&D to begin with.
Reincarnation much? Elan transformation? Dragonborn of Bahamut? Race Rebuild Quest? (Players Handbook II)
This -needs- to be in-game.
Especially when they just released another sh#$ty mask, that guess what? DOESN'T WORK FOR TIEFLINGS.
Aughh!
There are plenty of reasons why this could and would be used by roleplayers and for roleplay.
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jadetoraMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 116Bounty Hunter
edited July 2013
Also just going to point out again that actually at least one of their games we know of (Champions Online) has what more or less equates to a 'full race change,' in that you can completely change your archetype and rebuild your character at level 40 from the ground up. Soo, yeah. Really no reason why this wouldn't be implemented into Neverwinter.
My thoughts exactly, but it might be on hold now since they got new money packs out.
With new races being introduced, now seems like the perfect time to release such a function. How many people do you think would pay for such a function to either become a different race or one of the new introduced races?
I would be willing to pay money to change my race. I rolled an elf wizard not thinking it made any difference, now I feel stupid
Elf is pretty decent for a Wizard. Admittedly, Human or Tiefling are better but not by that much (3-4% or so extra DPS maybe.)
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darkbladessMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 57
edited July 2013
Totally agree we should be able to change anything that relates to our characters except Class.I know in wow you can change race,server,allegiance from horde or alliance.
We spend so much time building these characters a few mistakes down the road should not be permanent,for the right amount of Zen,astral diamonds,gold or whatever you should be able to make your toon exactly the way you want them.
My god. 33 pages. I hope devs add this function to Zstore instead of moar uselezz mountz.
Of course, 33 pages is nothing compared to three forum thread 120 pages each in SWTOR regarding dual spec
Don't get why they won't let us pay for race change. They are already selling best items for money but race is problematic because of lore? As if they care about lore. Just allow change already.
Will be subj in any of other content patches? New races are coming and be able to change current will be usefull.
33 pages of discussion regarding this. Purist RPers are a small, yet loud, band of doom criers that are against it, without any real arguments, while -alot- of people want the feature. As far as I know the Devs have only said that they're aware of the fact that people want it, but have made no promises or given any real info, as usual.
Personally I doubt it since the devs make more money from people creating new chars for new races, and thus having to spend alot more for character bound stuff, than what they would make from people buying Race Changes.
Don't get why they won't let us pay for race change. They are already selling best items for money but race is problematic because of lore? As if they care about lore. Just allow change already.
It's not problematic because of lore; DnD rulesets and lore support the option of changing race, via several means discussed over and over in this thread; it all boils down to how much more money the Devs would make from having the feature, or not (forcing people to make new chars and buy more character bound stuff).
I don't think race change would be something I think should be implemented, although you could easily rationalize it with polymorph or other magic.
I do think players should get full stat resets when they purchase a respec token including character stats. Sometimes balance change come or the game evolves and older character builds are invalidated or trashed. Players shouldn't have their characters ruined because of that or even plain bad choices. People learn and improve. Reward, don't punish that. And for this game where money spent is heavily character focused it is only fair business.
I once had a D&D gm turn my dwarf into a pixie, there are many occations ive played in proper d&d tourniments where some magic has changed gender race hight weight you name it. not to mention how many times has any of us d&d plays got to a cetian level and just gone hey ca I just change my race, and the gm goes sure.
of course very rarly in my D&D experience has there been a time when the gm has read me the following:
As you walk twards the towering gates to the city you see
5 panthers, 6 blond clerics 4 warriors and 7 drow wizards standing waiting for their friends to return.
or as you enter the bar your halfling rogue teleports to the bar.
yes this game is only vaguely like d&d but why fight against people being able to customize their character after the fact this has been a staple of awesome GMs since d&d started. even the I shoot the darkness skit had the guy change his eye color. they can always hang the proverbial lampshade on it and make you visit the "gm" and beg for a change at which point he grabs your sheet and lets you reselect things.
If people are willing to pay for it and they can make up their own rp for it I do not see the harm. not to mention it would be awesome that pwe will be able to for once charge for something and instead of people calling them that greedy company they will say...they should charge more for that.
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I can basically only quote this for emphasis (and to subscribe to the thread
Race changes have been a common thing, even in P&P D&D and there really isn't anything that could count against it in an MMO like this.
If something breaks immersion, it is be dying without having to reroll/reincarnate in the first place... :P
You have extra character slots and your gear does unbind/can be traded or mailed to a new character. Also most of the racial stats dont matter except in early game. Its the initial stat rolls that can really bite you in the rear. I really wish when you moused over them it told you what they did instead of having to make a character and log in to check your character pane.
Dont get tricked either some of the race/class combos look really good but are ultimatly weaker at endgame.
You'd think they would have gotten the message by now and started working on immediately implementing this either before or with the Fury of the Feywilds. There's so much money to be made from this.
Uh? What game are you playing? There's no way to unbind gear from your character unless we've missed something pretty big. Starting over a new chara is a pain in the a@# anyway. Some of us don't want to spend all that tons of time leveling -everything- up again.
That change, without adding in the ability to reroll your initial Ability Score roll, screws over the people who have already made new characters to fix their initial roles.
Without the ability to change races it also screws some of us who are very unhappy with certain aspects of our respective races. Especially as we've mentioned with the issue of a great many things being pointedly bugged and clipping horribly on Tieflings such as masks and many fashion items which you either have to deal with terrible clipping with or just not use.
That's just not fair. Especially considering one of those masks came in a $60 pack we purchased before the game was even open that was specifically advertised as a perk of that pack. You buy a perk but can't use it because it doesn't work with your race? That's bulls@#t.
Not only that, but other reasons motivate us to wanting to change races. In the end a change-race option is probably the easiest choice because it would offer a 'full-package' to people. That's far more universally accommodating for everyone than just 'adjusting stats'.
Cryptic should've put that service in Zstore long time ago.
I thought they wanted moneyz.
I don't see why roll players would care too much either. I mean, people who are roll playing a character aren't going to be using the race change thing anyway, because it would undermine the character they created. And its not going to break any real immersion seeing some guy having changed race or base stats, especially not when there's already hundreds of people running around with names like 'SuperHer0Aesomesauce'.
More options are always a good thing. Whether your a roll player or not, I can't see any valid reason to be against this idea.
Roleplay. Not 'rollplay,' unless you're rolling around in roleplay and then you're roleplaying rollplay.
And to quote our earlier post on this subject;
There are plenty of reasons why this could and would be used by roleplayers and for roleplay.
My thoughts exactly, but it might be on hold now since they got new money packs out.
With new races being introduced, now seems like the perfect time to release such a function. How many people do you think would pay for such a function to either become a different race or one of the new introduced races?
A lot probably.
Well a race-change all together would definitely give you that and more.
Elf is pretty decent for a Wizard. Admittedly, Human or Tiefling are better but not by that much (3-4% or so extra DPS maybe.)
We spend so much time building these characters a few mistakes down the road should not be permanent,for the right amount of Zen,astral diamonds,gold or whatever you should be able to make your toon exactly the way you want them.
Of course, 33 pages is nothing compared to three forum thread 120 pages each in SWTOR regarding dual spec
33 pages of discussion regarding this. Purist RPers are a small, yet loud, band of doom criers that are against it, without any real arguments, while -alot- of people want the feature. As far as I know the Devs have only said that they're aware of the fact that people want it, but have made no promises or given any real info, as usual.
Personally I doubt it since the devs make more money from people creating new chars for new races, and thus having to spend alot more for character bound stuff, than what they would make from people buying Race Changes.
It's not problematic because of lore; DnD rulesets and lore support the option of changing race, via several means discussed over and over in this thread; it all boils down to how much more money the Devs would make from having the feature, or not (forcing people to make new chars and buy more character bound stuff).
I do think players should get full stat resets when they purchase a respec token including character stats. Sometimes balance change come or the game evolves and older character builds are invalidated or trashed. Players shouldn't have their characters ruined because of that or even plain bad choices. People learn and improve. Reward, don't punish that. And for this game where money spent is heavily character focused it is only fair business.
Hopefully Cryptic, do not assume an uncompromising stand.
Zen Payment would be correct.
of course very rarly in my D&D experience has there been a time when the gm has read me the following:
As you walk twards the towering gates to the city you see
5 panthers, 6 blond clerics 4 warriors and 7 drow wizards standing waiting for their friends to return.
or as you enter the bar your halfling rogue teleports to the bar.
yes this game is only vaguely like d&d but why fight against people being able to customize their character after the fact this has been a staple of awesome GMs since d&d started. even the I shoot the darkness skit had the guy change his eye color. they can always hang the proverbial lampshade on it and make you visit the "gm" and beg for a change at which point he grabs your sheet and lets you reselect things.
If people are willing to pay for it and they can make up their own rp for it I do not see the harm. not to mention it would be awesome that pwe will be able to for once charge for something and instead of people calling them that greedy company they will say...they should charge more for that.