I bought the 60 dollar pack. hell, I paid 60 bucks for Guild Wars 2 and 60 bucks for Defiance, so whatever. I got a Fancy forum title, a Fancy in-game title, and about 30 bucks worth of Astral Diamonds. I also got a decent Companion and Max-speed Mount for every single character I will ever create.
I'm good with that for 60 bucks.
no way I was paying 200 bucks though, for any game. ever.
who cares if they still sell it.
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fusedmassMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 252Bounty Hunter
Seems the Founder's pack might be on sale permanently. They are in the section "The Game" on the main website (not on the forums top menu though). Just written "Neverwinter pack" and the address does not say "founder's" anymore too: http://nw.perfectworld.com/neverwinterpack
Takes away from some of the certain flavor of the package if you ask me. I saw Hero of the North, with words in bold "Hurry up before time runs out" I thought upon launch of the game it, it would cease to exist. Making it much more valuable to buy it now. I had not known they would be still selling it.
Giving me a chance to explain other people that had the items. The pack is great with mount, diamonds, certain race. Though most of the items cannot be used at higher end level. They do give you one special item that you can use at level 60. Its supposed be super rare.
I laughed when people bought the $200 pack back in late April / early May. I laugh even harder today that they wasted so much money on this cash grab of a game.
$200 could have bought you 3-4 brand new games, but now, your "exclusivness" isn't even exclusive anymore. How's that spider mount, piece of HAMSTER lvl 60 weapon / enchant, useless pet, and even more useless title treating ya? :rolleyes:
I admit it. You're right. If I had a hard time making money I'd be extremely pissed, but now I'm off chasing other diversions most of the time. Steam summer sale in particular will be soon. I just wish to God I'd find a way to add a couple solid hours of gaming in each day.
I admit it. You're right. If I had a hard time making money I'd be extremely pissed, but now I'm off chasing other diversions most of the time. Steam summer sale in particular will be soon. I just wish to God I'd find a way to add a couple solid hours of gaming in each day.
Hah yeah, that's how it goes! When you're unemployed and got all the time in the world to play games, you can't afford to buy all that many of them.
And when you are working you can easily afford a ton of them but you can't find the time to actually play them! :cool:
Exclusivity as a selling point, then exclusivity revoked, is pretty serious manipulation. Of course they will just say its not the same pack, due to semantic details of name and founder title being altered. -snip-
This is what it boils down to, and I doubt anyone can argue against the point, either with "laugh at the founders" or "learn2mmo purchase" or whatever. This. Simply this.
Bad, bad bad form by Cryptic/PW. And one (arguably among many) reasons they are not to be trusted, or in any way funded.
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kimberixMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
These packs weren't ever really worth it in terms of content and that includes when they had beta, and early, access.
I've seen one post around asking if they were still worth buying recently, but I doubt many people will be lining up to buy these newer packs, especially if they spend a few minutes reading the forums first!!
These packs weren't ever really worth it in terms of content and that includes when they had beta, and early, access.
I've seen one post around asking if they were still worth buying recently, but I doubt many people will be lining up to buy these newer packs, especially if they spend a few minutes reading the forums first!!
I don't see how you can say that a 110% mount and epic companion on every character you ever create is not worth $60. Say what you want about the other issues in the game, but you can't beat that ROI (especially if you play multiple characters).
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quadespressoMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
I agree regarding the $60 pack. The mount and companion (the wolf's knockdown is actually pretty useful) for every character plus the extra character slot and 200k AD is not a bad investment.
Then again, the relative value of the AD that comes with the packs is variable, but pretty low for a lot of players including myself. Since AD is a currency, a lot of people will tend to get it and then just save it rather than using it, and AD is pretty useless unless you actually spend it. There are some non-quantifiable (to me) psychological benefits I think, but on the currency side, the worth of the 600k or 2mil AD actually ends up being however much you would have gone into debt at any given time if you hadn't had it. For me, that is about 35k AD. I withdrew 200k and at one point was down to 165k.
But I digress. I've spent $60 on games I've enjoyed less and for fewer hours than NW, so I'm OK with having spent it, despite the somewhat painful awareness of how far the game is now from what it could be (fixes, balance, in-game gms, content, races, classes - which unfortunately all take time, money, and effort).
If packs are "worth it" or not is debatable, endlessly so even, but the fact of the matter is that they sold them under the guise of exclusivity, wich they then revoked, and that is wrong. They even pushed people with slogans similar to "Get it while you can!"....
Why anyone would spend cash after getting HAMSTER-slapped by Devs - after having been chain-slapped in absurdum by things like Zen respecs during a BETA TEST - like that is beyond me. But if someone gets their money's worth, in their mind, all the best to them; theyre having fun, as it should be, and Im glad for them.
But the point of the thread remains; They promised exclusivity, lied in their marketing and deals, and now sell upon these lies, whether they were blatantly open or vaguely phrased to be ambiguous or not.
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shiaikaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
No opinion about the issue until Cryptic gives me the 1,380,000 ADs from my Hero of the North pack that their buggy AH ate during the third day of Open "Beta". I mean, "Open Beta".
But I can predict that the opinion, if I had to have one, most probably includes some rolling of eyes.
Get a bunch of guys to invest 200-250 dollars each in a game they know little about...
say its an exclusive pack only for Founders, wave the shinies in front of them....
then have them betatest it for free for you....
while they buy micro stuff like respecs in order to rest it, making you even more money during a beta...
all the while you say "get founders pack, while you still can!"....
Game launches officially (as half a game, ridden with bugs and exploits and the new content fails like GG).
Rename the 200-250 dollar pack and let it stay.
Add new Zen things in the store.
I don't think I'd call that a 'strategy' unless the goal is to isolate your paying customers and run your business into the ground. I've been looking for a couple weeks for any reason to keep playing this game, it's fun, but I just don't trust this company to not do things like this. Glad I decided against spending money on it.
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kimberixMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I don't see how you can say that a 110% mount and epic companion on every character you ever create is not worth $60. Say what you want about the other issues in the game, but you can't beat that ROI (especially if you play multiple characters).
Your equating the value of the $60 pack with the prices of the cash shop though. If you do that, I agree that comparing a $60 founders pack against buying a $35 mount and a $20 companion is good business. However, if you're like me and think the prices for mounts / companions should be a lot lower, say $7 and $5 respectively, then the $60 founders pack looks way overpriced. The day that 'micro-transactions' almost hit the price of a brand new game on a regular basis, is the day that I quit MMORPGs.
Personally, it was the beta weekends and early access that caused me to buy the pack - I had a free weekend and a friend who was already playing via his HOTN pack, so it made sense for me.
On a side-note, I still have 540k of the 600k I got with the pack and have two lvl 60 chars in a mixture of T1/T2 equipment.
Seems the Founder's pack might be on sale permanently. They are in the section "The Game" on the main website (not on the forums top menu though). Just written "Neverwinter pack" and the address does not say "founder's" anymore too: http://nw.perfectworld.com/neverwinterpack
Well the founders got their early start and the founders title , this NW does not have these .
They should have put in a different purple mount - that was the really unique bit. As a non-HotN, had spider = HotN
Eh, remember they actually want to make money selling them. They'd have to waste time designing a different mount then. When I first started playing I was tempted by that spider, but no way I was going to spend $200 for a mount. I just wasn't interested in anything else in the pack.
Though now I am thinking the account wide companion is a big plus since its the only way to get one for every character. And of course the AD. Really hoped they were gonna stop selling those packs because of the AD in them. To much AD in the economy as it is.
Most intelligent folks saw this coming from a mile away. We even warned people on the forums not to pay for this cash grab of a game (multiple 50+ page threads until the HAMSTER mods closed them):
A lot of people didn't listen or was simply tricked by the PWE and Cryptic marketing hype. That's why I laugh. Any sensible MMO gamer would've seen exactly what they were going to do with this game (which is nothing). I also kept hope that they'd smarten up and attempt to improve the game in order to make more money. But alas, that wasn't the case.
Now they pull this HAMSTER. That's why I'm laughing harder now.
Right on the money, which is why I didn't go for the 200 pack lol. It was said repeatedly long before the game went live this would happen!
I am so thankful I did not spend $200, but I did request a refund for PWE's false advertising practices. You cannot say "Founder's Program ends May 9th...ends May 30th...ends soon...." then sell the exact same items permanently. These packs were purchased, in part, because they were supposed to be for a limited time only.
I'm glad they will continue to have some type of 'pack' around. It would be nice if they updated the items or gave more useful misc stuff. Like giving a different title for each new pack, fresh supplies, etc. Interested in buying one in the future if there are more packs coming with different contents inside them.
I saw that. and the response was "we removed items from the Packs so that only Founders have them now".
but the only thing they removed was the Founder ingame title. everything else is exactly the same, from what I can tell.
Yes, I did, in the vain hope that they'd admit to their incredibly messed up way of doing buisiness with their customers, but all I got was a brush off, and a lie.
Before this the menzo drow, spider and panther etc was part of the exclusiveness in Founder Hero pack, a reason some bought it. No longer.
So they lied, and sold under false pretense and advertisement.
what can you expect, still bring money why stop? I believe while this supply-demand still on, the selling is on
I can expect a company not to flat out lie to their customers.
They could've made a new pack - instead of the others wich were promised to be exclusive - with a new mount, a new companion, 2mil ad (altho preferably not the latter) or whatever that ISNT unique to another pack.
Or preferably, they could just work more on the game that needs help, bugs/exploits, and add drow and warlock+ranger.
Regardless; They lied. Raked in alot of cash under this lie. Now want to get more from the same lie. And people like you let them get away with it, if that attitude extends to your wallet.
Still nothing from them, except a lie response on twitter, and not answering followup questions when cornered.
Silence.
Great communication and customer relationship.
What do you expect them to say? "Yeah, we lied multiple times to our customers in hope of tricking them to buy our limited time, super exclusive, and ridiculously overpriced Founders packs! Sorry, we promise it won't happen again. Hue hue"
PWE and Cryptic only care about money, nothing else. They couldn't give a rat's as$ about the players or their game. They're in it to make as much money as they can, as fast as possible. They will say and do anything to achieve that goal. It's about time people woke up to this fact.
What do you expect them to say? "Yeah, we lied multiple times to our customers in hope of tricking them to buy our limited time, super exclusive, and ridiculously overpriced Founders packs! Sorry, we promise it won't happen again. Hue hue"
PWE and Cryptic only care about money, nothing else. They couldn't give a rat's as$ about the players or their game. They're in it to make as much money as they can, as fast as possible. They will say and do anything to achieve that goal. It's about time people woke up to this fact.
Im not sure what to expect, but I gave them a chance to explain themselves, let it sink in, so they may make an official response and either change their untrustworthy, lying ways, or show that they truly ignore us and dont care - choice is theirs. I just want people to see what company theyre dealing with.
Im not sure what to expect, but I gave them a chance to explain themselves, let it sink in, so they may make an official response and either change their untrustworthy, lying ways, or show that they truly ignore us and dont care - choice is theirs. I just want people to see what company theyre dealing with.
Anyone with half a brain and not completely new to this game already know what kind of company they're dealing with.
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I bought the 60 dollar pack. hell, I paid 60 bucks for Guild Wars 2 and 60 bucks for Defiance, so whatever. I got a Fancy forum title, a Fancy in-game title, and about 30 bucks worth of Astral Diamonds. I also got a decent Companion and Max-speed Mount for every single character I will ever create.
I'm good with that for 60 bucks.
no way I was paying 200 bucks though, for any game. ever.
who cares if they still sell it.
Takes away from some of the certain flavor of the package if you ask me. I saw Hero of the North, with words in bold "Hurry up before time runs out" I thought upon launch of the game it, it would cease to exist. Making it much more valuable to buy it now. I had not known they would be still selling it.
Giving me a chance to explain other people that had the items. The pack is great with mount, diamonds, certain race. Though most of the items cannot be used at higher end level. They do give you one special item that you can use at level 60. Its supposed be super rare.
Though I quickly replaced it for an upgrade.
I admit it. You're right. If I had a hard time making money I'd be extremely pissed, but now I'm off chasing other diversions most of the time. Steam summer sale in particular will be soon. I just wish to God I'd find a way to add a couple solid hours of gaming in each day.
Hah yeah, that's how it goes! When you're unemployed and got all the time in the world to play games, you can't afford to buy all that many of them.
And when you are working you can easily afford a ton of them but you can't find the time to actually play them! :cool:
This is what it boils down to, and I doubt anyone can argue against the point, either with "laugh at the founders" or "learn2mmo purchase" or whatever. This. Simply this.
Bad, bad bad form by Cryptic/PW. And one (arguably among many) reasons they are not to be trusted, or in any way funded.
I've seen one post around asking if they were still worth buying recently, but I doubt many people will be lining up to buy these newer packs, especially if they spend a few minutes reading the forums first!!
I don't see how you can say that a 110% mount and epic companion on every character you ever create is not worth $60. Say what you want about the other issues in the game, but you can't beat that ROI (especially if you play multiple characters).
Then again, the relative value of the AD that comes with the packs is variable, but pretty low for a lot of players including myself. Since AD is a currency, a lot of people will tend to get it and then just save it rather than using it, and AD is pretty useless unless you actually spend it. There are some non-quantifiable (to me) psychological benefits I think, but on the currency side, the worth of the 600k or 2mil AD actually ends up being however much you would have gone into debt at any given time if you hadn't had it. For me, that is about 35k AD. I withdrew 200k and at one point was down to 165k.
But I digress. I've spent $60 on games I've enjoyed less and for fewer hours than NW, so I'm OK with having spent it, despite the somewhat painful awareness of how far the game is now from what it could be (fixes, balance, in-game gms, content, races, classes - which unfortunately all take time, money, and effort).
Why anyone would spend cash after getting HAMSTER-slapped by Devs - after having been chain-slapped in absurdum by things like Zen respecs during a BETA TEST - like that is beyond me. But if someone gets their money's worth, in their mind, all the best to them; theyre having fun, as it should be, and Im glad for them.
But the point of the thread remains; They promised exclusivity, lied in their marketing and deals, and now sell upon these lies, whether they were blatantly open or vaguely phrased to be ambiguous or not.
But I can predict that the opinion, if I had to have one, most probably includes some rolling of eyes.
I don't think I'd call that a 'strategy' unless the goal is to isolate your paying customers and run your business into the ground. I've been looking for a couple weeks for any reason to keep playing this game, it's fun, but I just don't trust this company to not do things like this. Glad I decided against spending money on it.
Your equating the value of the $60 pack with the prices of the cash shop though. If you do that, I agree that comparing a $60 founders pack against buying a $35 mount and a $20 companion is good business. However, if you're like me and think the prices for mounts / companions should be a lot lower, say $7 and $5 respectively, then the $60 founders pack looks way overpriced. The day that 'micro-transactions' almost hit the price of a brand new game on a regular basis, is the day that I quit MMORPGs.
Personally, it was the beta weekends and early access that caused me to buy the pack - I had a free weekend and a friend who was already playing via his HOTN pack, so it made sense for me.
On a side-note, I still have 540k of the 600k I got with the pack and have two lvl 60 chars in a mixture of T1/T2 equipment.
I saw that. and the response was "we removed items from the Packs so that only Founders have them now".
but the only thing they removed was the Founder ingame title. everything else is exactly the same, from what I can tell.
Well the founders got their early start and the founders title , this NW does not have these .
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Eh, remember they actually want to make money selling them. They'd have to waste time designing a different mount then. When I first started playing I was tempted by that spider, but no way I was going to spend $200 for a mount. I just wasn't interested in anything else in the pack.
Though now I am thinking the account wide companion is a big plus since its the only way to get one for every character. And of course the AD.
Right on the money, which is why I didn't go for the 200 pack lol. It was said repeatedly long before the game went live this would happen!
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Oh come on.... Please stop brown nosing; they sold the first with false marketing and shady lies, and everyone knows it.
Yes, I did, in the vain hope that they'd admit to their incredibly messed up way of doing buisiness with their customers, but all I got was a brush off, and a lie.
Before this the menzo drow, spider and panther etc was part of the exclusiveness in Founder Hero pack, a reason some bought it. No longer.
So they lied, and sold under false pretense and advertisement.
I can expect a company not to flat out lie to their customers.
They could've made a new pack - instead of the others wich were promised to be exclusive - with a new mount, a new companion, 2mil ad (altho preferably not the latter) or whatever that ISNT unique to another pack.
Or preferably, they could just work more on the game that needs help, bugs/exploits, and add drow and warlock+ranger.
Regardless; They lied. Raked in alot of cash under this lie. Now want to get more from the same lie. And people like you let them get away with it, if that attitude extends to your wallet.
Silence.
Great communication and customer relationship.
What do you expect them to say? "Yeah, we lied multiple times to our customers in hope of tricking them to buy our limited time, super exclusive, and ridiculously overpriced Founders packs! Sorry, we promise it won't happen again. Hue hue"
PWE and Cryptic only care about money, nothing else. They couldn't give a rat's as$ about the players or their game. They're in it to make as much money as they can, as fast as possible. They will say and do anything to achieve that goal. It's about time people woke up to this fact.
Im not sure what to expect, but I gave them a chance to explain themselves, let it sink in, so they may make an official response and either change their untrustworthy, lying ways, or show that they truly ignore us and dont care - choice is theirs. I just want people to see what company theyre dealing with.
Anyone with half a brain and not completely new to this game already know what kind of company they're dealing with.