I do ok in pvp and destroy mobs in T2 epics. I cannot do both well, so I chose PVE.
If I did choose PVP, yes the GWF does very well. I can lock anything down except a GF so I generally run away from them but everything else is meat. Like the GF I have three stunlocks and only one can be dodged...but which one?....Did he already use it?!....I wasn't paying attention.
As for unstoppable, yes it is our bread and butter, but again, setup for either PVE or PVP, once down any class has free reign to kill us until it fills back up to half at least, depending on when A GWF pops unstoppable it can mitigate 100% or 50%, most just use the hallway point, the bigger the hit we take the faster it fills, but with crits we take full damage for normal fill, meaning a crit will not fill it faster verse normal big hits unless specced for it.
Once unstoppable is down and we get locked up, we are dead. yes I can pop unstoppable and get out of a lock but by then it is too late and the artificial health leaves when the unstoppable expends itself.
We can be killed, just not face rolled anymore.
As for the GF.....ooo wait I have one of those, never mind, move along.
There is no worse feeling in the world than the moment during an argument you realize you are wrong.
You know who complains about GWF most? People who want to have the CW shut down everyone because no one is immune. People should just lay down and die for wizards after all.
Lol CW are a jk now. Nerfed hard and so many broken feats. Have you seen the list of broken gear sets, feats that debuff the CW casting them. lol
GWFs now heal through 3-4 players and laugh. Stunlocking GF classes. Prone stun is longer than the best CW CC.
These devs are useless at balancing. Frankly its no doubt the plan to buff and nerf so you have to gear and outfit more toons.
the problem with that video is not the gwf it's tenebrous as usual. a tank build without tene does really little damage so nobody really cares if it takes a while to go down. same for TR stealth build, whitout tene it's killing potential is so low it's irrelevant, i mean, cloud of steel whitout tene isn't killing anyone really unless they are running in lvl40 greens.
pvp problem is tene enchants, fix those somehow and pvp will improve a lot right away.
(that said, GF are even more ridicolous right now even whitout tene)
People think GWF's are overpowered now because they're used to the class being a free kill. Keep playing; eventually you'll figure out how to beat them. They're rather balanced now; you just have to learn the appropriate counter.
What makes GWF OP after the patch? GWF are suppose to dominate Team fights and unstopabble. And now what's happening is that they dominate also 1v1 fights. Here's how you beat them... Call 2-4 allies to kill them. A very well geared GWF is almost impossible to kill now in 1v1 without 2-4 shotting him. after the patch. We had a 12.5k GS TR and our enemy which is the GWF has around 13K GS And our TR was whining how come he doesn't die at all and our TR has 19-2 score in PvP and the 2 deaths came from the GWF and he was never able to kill the GWF. Gwf is a semi tank and semi dpser NOT a combination of GF and Rogue. I am only able to kill a GWF in 1v1 if I use my lurker's assault. I can't kite them and kill them fast enough because they can run or just sprint away from me.
What makes GWF OP after the patch? GWF are suppose to dominate Team fights and unstopabble. And now what's happening is that they dominate also 1v1 fights. Here's how you beat them... Call 2-3 allies to beat them.
so everyone should use GWF in PVP? lol. just trolling but its true that they are pvp gods now which is unbalance.
UNENDING UNBALANCES
but ok lets not QQ, GWFs are not that useful in pve though
it probably got deflected... aside from that always time your big hits on gwf right after unstoppable ends, during is obviously bad and before there's the risk they'll go unstoppable with the worse timing possible.
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jihancritiasMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
That is the problem with their balance changes: They go way over the top.
Someone is either getting nerfed into the ground or an overkill boost.
What kills me is the shocking execution (daily) nerf. Sure, it needed a heck of a nerf for pvp, but it's worthless in pve now. Lashing blade (encounter) hits a ton more. Most of the time, SE hits far, far under the stated damage, no matter what the mobs health is.
Um... wel... 13k gwf.... kinda OP... but then again.. 12k TR as well... oneshotting things with Impact shot...u know... l2p blah blah blah...
PS: also lold at 'full gear and lvl 4-5 chants'... get 6 greater tenebr\anc\fullt2 armor and then go kill gwf... procedure is as follows => dps his *** and dodge every encounter(if u can't ur **** cause animations are super long and easy to dodge) > then just jump around while he's in unstoppable > then finish him of... there u go... path to victory... now go practice and stop whining.
Carnage TR Dragon shard - retired? hell yea it's retired along with Nevewinter
it probably got deflected... aside from that always time your big hits on gwf right after unstoppable ends, during is obviously bad and before there's the risk they'll go unstoppable with the worse timing possible.
Dude there were 4 of us attacking him. All on one node cap point. He just ate it all.
That video was not good for your cause. First that dude played his class good has a solid rotation and some good gear.
Ice Knife how hard exactly do you want it to hit also whats his defense and deflect how is he mitigating and what are the stats of the CW?
Enchantments come on man you know those are being complained on all the time and he was using em you saw the video.
Lastly have you tried getting a froup as a GWF? Seriously you want to nerf a class that other threads have shown 49% of the people polled said they would not do a run w/ GWF in the grp because they are useless?.
I run PvP and dungeons when i get a que but kind of sucks rolling through the past 55 levels at the whem of the horrible que system.
Psst seriously PW a Que and a LFG window where you can check what you are and what you want to do for everyone to see.
Oh yeah I have a lvl 60 TR so I understand end game content. The comment on int build I tried it I can see where some people would like it you know the same ones that hide on pilars but it does not seem that fun to me in pvp.
I was sentinel before the "balance" patch and it was good, near unkillable. After the patch it's just SO GOOD. The other builds were too squishy, and now the tanky build is too tanky. womp womp.
hours of sentinel GWF pvp streaming at twitch.tv/glohkamp
I was sentinel before the "balance" patch and it was good, near unkillable. After the patch it's just SO GOOD. The other builds were too squishy, and now the tanky build is too tanky. womp womp.
hours of sentinel GWF pvp streaming at twitch.tv/glohkamp
It is really astonishing (well maybe not given the reputation Rogue has for attracting the most unskilled players) how so many TRs don't seem to realise that they should run/dodge/use disengaging encounter power when a GWF pops unstoppable.
PSA for not so skilled TRs: you are not meant to be able to face-tank every class and beat them while holding down one at-will power. Seriously by far the most OP build in PvP right now is a TR one, not to mention a good TR gets to pick (and disengage if he is losing) their fights.
It is also likely that (maybe with the exception of a fully geared GF) that a well-played fully geared TR is still the best class.
Love to read about the brain-dead Trickster Rogues crying and whining about how they could not kill a Great Weapon Fighter. BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You chumps, who picked the easiest and most-overpowered class, strutting around like HAMSTER of the walk, can now suffer. GWFs could not even get in Dungeon groups. People wanted 2 TRs. I hope you all choke on it. BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Lol try to play TR now after the nerf and buffs to other classes and realize how stupid you are. Easiest class eh? Try to use TR and Fight a well geared GWF or GF in PvP when u reach lvl 60. And you'll realize how much strategy and tricks u must use to kill them and it takes ages to kill them without daily. As a skilled TR I am always able to trick melee classes with only bait and switch, stealth, and dodge. Since they made TR, who is the MAIN DPS CLASS in these game, not capable of trading blows to almost all class especially GWF and GF all TR will be force to always sneak or backstab enemies and use tricks or strategy to kill them which is normal for a TRICKSTER rogue, but since they buffed GF and GWF too much and nerf TR too much. 12 daggers (cloud of steel) isn't enough to kite them or use encounters then run and hide then do the same combo because they're so tanky yet decent damage and good stun skills. What makes u think its the easiest class? Is it when a TR 1-3 shot someone and you'll be like"Ugh f***** OP" lol if a TR can't kill his target fast then how the heck is he going to kill his target? Simply by stealth and throw daggers but ppl is asking to nerf these so if they nerf these give us an idea how to kill a GWF or GF in 1v1 without trading blows? Isn't that stupid when an assassin sneak on to you and succeeded on stabbing you unaware, but because of the stunlocks GWF have or stuns of other classes the assassin failed. So its very very obvious that a TR who is a squishy class must kill its target fast before they get stunlock and slaughtered. Some of the ppl r just so stupid that they're asking to nerf TR big time at the point they'll have the same dps with the Gwf, Gf, and CW. what would be there role in PvE then? ppl who doesn't think first b4 asking to nerf TR are the PvP players. These game is Dungeons and Dragons it concentrates in Dungeons not PvP. I played GWF and its kinda boring all u have to do is get inside the combat then "baam! boom! slash! roar!" in short u only have to go near to the target and swing ur sword for a living. Now is there any reason to say a TR is the most OP and easiest class to use when fighting a GWF and GF? Sure you can kill GWF and GF but those r the players who have lower GS than you. I've fought many well geared GWF and GF and obviously they're soooo not skilled. They'll only chase you then stun and another stun (TR's HP is 1/2 or 2/3)then slash and repeat the same combo. I mean wtf? that is so ****.
A good TR is still a nightmare in PvP. The ability to do significant damage at range, stealth, choose when to enter and disengage and good CC are in the hands of a skilled player huge advantages. Not to mention, that by far the most stupidly OP build in PvP is also, surprise surprise, a TR one.
However, bad TRs who think all they have to do is run up to an enemy and hold down LMB get annihilated, which is exactly how things should be. If you can't figure out that you should not try to face-tank the HUGE GLOWING FIGHTER WITH A MASSIVE SWORD HITTING YOU VERY, VERY FAST, then mincemeat is exactly what you should end up as.
So basically good TR players do extremely well, bad TR players (of which there are very, very many as it seems to attract the worst players particularly since it was so OP at first) die horribly.
Working as intended.
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fauust01Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
A well-played TR is still stronger than a well-played GWF.
Note the emphasis on well-played. The problem is most of the people who play TRs only did it because it was stupidly OP initially and now that they actually have to do something other than hold down one button complain....
i never had problems vs rouge or gwf as a GF i guess i am well playing GF then ?
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ausdoerrtMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Lol try to play TR now after the nerf and buffs to other classes and realize how stupid you are. Easiest class eh? Try to use TR and Fight a well geared GWF or GF in PvP when u reach lvl 60. And you'll realize how much strategy and tricks u must use to kill them and it takes ages to kill them without daily.
So he was spot on then. You rolled the OP class prior to the changes, and are now crying that it's been balanced. Cool story bro.
Lol try to play TR now after the nerf and buffs to other classes and realize how stupid you are. Easiest class eh? Try to use TR and Fight a well geared GWF or GF in PvP when u reach lvl 60. And you'll realize how much strategy and tricks u must use to kill them and it takes ages to kill them without daily.
Someone pass me the smallest violin in the world, I think we have a live one here.
So you went for the lowest common denominator ezmode IWIN button character, and now you actually have to work to kill another class? Cry me a river.
(I don't have a GWF, but I am really happy for them, they were about due a shot in the arm both in PvE and PvP)
People think GWF's are overpowered now because they're used to the class being a free kill. Keep playing; eventually you'll figure out how to beat them. They're rather balanced now; you just have to learn the appropriate counter.
NEIN!!!!
i will QQ the **** out of every class who i cant 1hit and when this is not happening i will QQ more!!! cause I am not ALONE we r legion of casual nobrainers! hahahahhahahahahahhahahaha
Someone pass me the smallest violin in the world, I think we have a live one here.
So you went for the lowest common denominator ezmode IWIN button character, and now you actually have to work to kill another class? Cry me a river.
(I don't have a GWF, but I am really happy for them, they were about due a shot in the arm both in PvE and PvP)
Finaly some1 understands a lilbit of this game. Slowy all the Classes get balanced and ppl must learn to use more then 1 button to do stuff or get a kill. But most of the ppl here r just nobrainers
Fight a well geared GWF or GF in PvP when u reach lvl 60. And you'll realize how much strategy and tricks u must use to kill them and it takes ages to kill them without daily.
I am not sure if this is a below-average-skill-even-for-a-TR-player or a really good troll, but are you actually shocked that you need to use strategy and tricks to kill an enemy in PvP?
I know TR has the unenviable (although deserved) reputation of attracting the lowest skilled players looking for the most OP class, but seriously - do you really expect to press one button, or maybe even just hold down one button and win?
I am not sure if this is a below-average-skill-even-for-a-TR-player or a really good troll, but are you actually shocked that you need to use strategy and tricks to kill an enemy in PvP?
I know TR has the unenviable (although deserved) reputation of attracting the lowest skilled players looking for the most OP class, but seriously - do you really expect to press one button, or maybe even just hold down one button and win?
Please stfu with your skill and strategy nonsense. There is no skill whatsoever for a sentinel GWF to go herp derp through 3-4 players on him and contest the point like it's nothing.
So what should a team do to counter these tank GWFs who backcap your point endlessly? Send more than one person to handle him while leaving mid with less people and easier for the enemy team to cap mid and win the game?
I was sentinel before the "balance" patch and it was good, near unkillable. After the patch it's just SO GOOD. The other builds were too squishy, and now the tanky build is too tanky. womp womp.
hours of sentinel GWF pvp streaming at twitch.tv/glohkamp
Why does everyone ignore these posts from sentinel GWFs themselves but yet say everyone is QQ about them lol.
it probably got deflected... aside from that always time your big hits on gwf right after unstoppable ends, during is obviously bad and before there's the risk they'll go unstoppable with the worse timing possible.
Too bad I've seen GWFs go unstoppable 4 times in a 1v1. When I damage them from range using CoS, it does nothing to bring down their health. If I get close, they use daring shout to build determination for unstoppable. With Restoring strike and greater tenebrous procs, they can heal themselves for a large amount.
Please fix gwf they are ridiculously hard to kill now 3 (2 wiz 1 rogue)OF US WITH FULL T2 GEARED WITH 7+ ENCHANTS could not kill one gwf it heals faster then WE could do damage to it. ignored our daily's both of us or we did not do damage to him with it. this happened more then once they are way over powered he could spam what ever that spell is that makes them bigger he was almost constantly in it. I am not a average player in pvp I am better then most and I find the new gwf to over powered I just run from them now. he could spam some type of skill also when he caught you that locked us in place and stunned us no way out and could almost 2 shot us.
pvp is so screwed up certain rogue build can be in invis mode at ALL times and you can not hit them. only out of it for a 1 or 2 sec then back in they can hit you but you cant hit them. Couple that with a 1-2 sec it takes them to kil us wiz is a joke.
**** your ****. If you do not have fingers to play, go play wow, that sucks.
The GWF suffers from the Closed Beta, now that he is improving you want to **** on him?
Your wimpy!
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fusedmassMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 252Bounty Hunter
Um... wel... 13k gwf.... kinda OP... but then again.. 12k TR as well... oneshotting things with Impact shot...u know... l2p blah blah blah...
PS: also lold at 'full gear and lvl 4-5 chants'... get 6 greater tenebr\anc\fullt2 armor and then go kill gwf... procedure is as follows => dps his *** and dodge every encounter(if u can't ur **** cause animations are super long and easy to dodge) > then just jump around while he's in unstoppable > then finish him of... there u go... path to victory... now go practice and stop whining.
People like this really boggle my mind. Would it be end of the world to actually admit, when a class is over powered. You see my weakness playing a CW, that I wear cloth. However my strength, I can shoot from ranged and blink really fast. The Guardians only weakness is that move slower, they can have extreme dps and best blocking gear. Isn't that the defined meaning of overpowered, if their one weakness if moving slowly.
I used blink many times on a Guardian, my cool runs run out then they can do ONE SINGLE move the knocks my health to half, before I can even react in another move they can kill me. They also can take much much more damage for longer period and dish out extreme damage.
Exactly, how is that balanced when they can dish out extreme dps, and wear best armor protection. Their weakness is only moving slowly but they can still charge.
so everyone should use GWF in PVP? lol. just trolling but its true that they are pvp gods now which is unbalance.
UNENDING UNBALANCES
but ok lets not QQ, GWFs are not that useful in pve though
Like I said before in another thread, if you want to win a pvp match, run 5 GWFs. One at each end node and 3 in the middle. What skills or strategy is that team going to come up with facing 5 sentinel GWFs.
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no way GFs are more deadly.... in PVP with their power stun lock and ultra damage now
plus blocking...zzz they can do it all!!
If I did choose PVP, yes the GWF does very well. I can lock anything down except a GF so I generally run away from them but everything else is meat. Like the GF I have three stunlocks and only one can be dodged...but which one?....Did he already use it?!....I wasn't paying attention.
As for unstoppable, yes it is our bread and butter, but again, setup for either PVE or PVP, once down any class has free reign to kill us until it fills back up to half at least, depending on when A GWF pops unstoppable it can mitigate 100% or 50%, most just use the hallway point, the bigger the hit we take the faster it fills, but with crits we take full damage for normal fill, meaning a crit will not fill it faster verse normal big hits unless specced for it.
Once unstoppable is down and we get locked up, we are dead. yes I can pop unstoppable and get out of a lock but by then it is too late and the artificial health leaves when the unstoppable expends itself.
We can be killed, just not face rolled anymore.
As for the GF.....ooo wait I have one of those, never mind, move along.
Lol CW are a jk now. Nerfed hard and so many broken feats. Have you seen the list of broken gear sets, feats that debuff the CW casting them. lol
GWFs now heal through 3-4 players and laugh. Stunlocking GF classes. Prone stun is longer than the best CW CC.
These devs are useless at balancing. Frankly its no doubt the plan to buff and nerf so you have to gear and outfit more toons.
pvp problem is tene enchants, fix those somehow and pvp will improve a lot right away.
(that said, GF are even more ridicolous right now even whitout tene)
Yep had that today. My ice knife double debuffed didnt even take any damage off at all.
What makes GWF OP after the patch? GWF are suppose to dominate Team fights and unstopabble. And now what's happening is that they dominate also 1v1 fights. Here's how you beat them... Call 2-4 allies to kill them. A very well geared GWF is almost impossible to kill now in 1v1 without 2-4 shotting him. after the patch. We had a 12.5k GS TR and our enemy which is the GWF has around 13K GS And our TR was whining how come he doesn't die at all and our TR has 19-2 score in PvP and the 2 deaths came from the GWF and he was never able to kill the GWF. Gwf is a semi tank and semi dpser NOT a combination of GF and Rogue. I am only able to kill a GWF in 1v1 if I use my lurker's assault. I can't kite them and kill them fast enough because they can run or just sprint away from me.
so everyone should use GWF in PVP? lol. just trolling but its true that they are pvp gods now which is unbalance.
UNENDING UNBALANCES
but ok lets not QQ, GWFs are not that useful in pve though
What kills me is the shocking execution (daily) nerf. Sure, it needed a heck of a nerf for pvp, but it's worthless in pve now. Lashing blade (encounter) hits a ton more. Most of the time, SE hits far, far under the stated damage, no matter what the mobs health is.
PS: also lold at 'full gear and lvl 4-5 chants'... get 6 greater tenebr\anc\fullt2 armor and then go kill gwf... procedure is as follows => dps his *** and dodge every encounter(if u can't ur **** cause animations are super long and easy to dodge) > then just jump around while he's in unstoppable > then finish him of... there u go... path to victory... now go practice and stop whining.
Seze - Rogue - Necropolis -
Dude there were 4 of us attacking him. All on one node cap point. He just ate it all.
Ice Knife how hard exactly do you want it to hit also whats his defense and deflect how is he mitigating and what are the stats of the CW?
Enchantments come on man you know those are being complained on all the time and he was using em you saw the video.
Lastly have you tried getting a froup as a GWF? Seriously you want to nerf a class that other threads have shown 49% of the people polled said they would not do a run w/ GWF in the grp because they are useless?.
I run PvP and dungeons when i get a que but kind of sucks rolling through the past 55 levels at the whem of the horrible que system.
Psst seriously PW a Que and a LFG window where you can check what you are and what you want to do for everyone to see.
Oh yeah I have a lvl 60 TR so I understand end game content. The comment on int build I tried it I can see where some people would like it you know the same ones that hide on pilars but it does not seem that fun to me in pvp.
hours of sentinel GWF pvp streaming at twitch.tv/glohkamp
The devs are so useless.
PSA for not so skilled TRs: you are not meant to be able to face-tank every class and beat them while holding down one at-will power. Seriously by far the most OP build in PvP right now is a TR one, not to mention a good TR gets to pick (and disengage if he is losing) their fights.
It is also likely that (maybe with the exception of a fully geared GF) that a well-played fully geared TR is still the best class.
However, bad TRs who think all they have to do is run up to an enemy and hold down LMB get annihilated, which is exactly how things should be. If you can't figure out that you should not try to face-tank the HUGE GLOWING FIGHTER WITH A MASSIVE SWORD HITTING YOU VERY, VERY FAST, then mincemeat is exactly what you should end up as.
So basically good TR players do extremely well, bad TR players (of which there are very, very many as it seems to attract the worst players particularly since it was so OP at first) die horribly.
Working as intended.
i never had problems vs rouge or gwf as a GF i guess i am well playing GF then ?
So he was spot on then. You rolled the OP class prior to the changes, and are now crying that it's been balanced. Cool story bro.
Actually GFs are, with the right build, probably a bit over-tuned right now
You could still be a good player, of course.......
Someone pass me the smallest violin in the world, I think we have a live one here.
So you went for the lowest common denominator ezmode IWIN button character, and now you actually have to work to kill another class? Cry me a river.
(I don't have a GWF, but I am really happy for them, they were about due a shot in the arm both in PvE and PvP)
NEIN!!!!
i will QQ the **** out of every class who i cant 1hit and when this is not happening i will QQ more!!! cause I am not ALONE we r legion of casual nobrainers! hahahahhahahahahahhahahaha
Finaly some1 understands a lilbit of this game. Slowy all the Classes get balanced and ppl must learn to use more then 1 button to do stuff or get a kill. But most of the ppl here r just nobrainers
I am not sure if this is a below-average-skill-even-for-a-TR-player or a really good troll, but are you actually shocked that you need to use strategy and tricks to kill an enemy in PvP?
I know TR has the unenviable (although deserved) reputation of attracting the lowest skilled players looking for the most OP class, but seriously - do you really expect to press one button, or maybe even just hold down one button and win?
Please stfu with your skill and strategy nonsense. There is no skill whatsoever for a sentinel GWF to go herp derp through 3-4 players on him and contest the point like it's nothing.
So what should a team do to counter these tank GWFs who backcap your point endlessly? Send more than one person to handle him while leaving mid with less people and easier for the enemy team to cap mid and win the game?
You're an idiot.
Why does everyone ignore these posts from sentinel GWFs themselves but yet say everyone is QQ about them lol.
Too bad I've seen GWFs go unstoppable 4 times in a 1v1. When I damage them from range using CoS, it does nothing to bring down their health. If I get close, they use daring shout to build determination for unstoppable. With Restoring strike and greater tenebrous procs, they can heal themselves for a large amount.
It's pretty ridiculous.
**** your ****. If you do not have fingers to play, go play wow, that sucks.
The GWF suffers from the Closed Beta, now that he is improving you want to **** on him?
Your wimpy!
People like this really boggle my mind. Would it be end of the world to actually admit, when a class is over powered. You see my weakness playing a CW, that I wear cloth. However my strength, I can shoot from ranged and blink really fast. The Guardians only weakness is that move slower, they can have extreme dps and best blocking gear. Isn't that the defined meaning of overpowered, if their one weakness if moving slowly.
I used blink many times on a Guardian, my cool runs run out then they can do ONE SINGLE move the knocks my health to half, before I can even react in another move they can kill me. They also can take much much more damage for longer period and dish out extreme damage.
Exactly, how is that balanced when they can dish out extreme dps, and wear best armor protection. Their weakness is only moving slowly but they can still charge.
Like I said before in another thread, if you want to win a pvp match, run 5 GWFs. One at each end node and 3 in the middle. What skills or strategy is that team going to come up with facing 5 sentinel GWFs.