Yeah if two people have to go to for one person, essentially you reduced their numbers at mid and their own cap point.
Do you not see how freaking <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> your class is, is that you can carry your team on your back alone because of your class' OPness?
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bayne3Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Yeah if two people have to go to for one person, essentially you reduced their numbers at mid and their own cap point.
Do you not see how freaking <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> your class is, is that you can carry your team on your back alone because of your class' OPness?
I just see your inability to adapt. Personally, I think they should increase the CD of takedown, but I feel its mostly your problem.
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tyr216Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
People think GWF's are overpowered now because they're used to the class being a free kill. Keep playing; eventually you'll figure out how to beat them. They're rather balanced now; you just have to learn the appropriate counter.
Please fix gwf they are ridiculously hard to kill now 3 (2 wiz 1 rogue)OF US WITH FULL T2 GEARED WITH 7+ ENCHANTS could not kill one gwf it heals faster then WE could do damage to it. ignored our daily's both of us or we did not do damage to him with it. this happened more then once they are way over powered he could spam what ever that spell is that makes them bigger he was almost constantly in it. I am not a average player in pvp I am better then most and I find the new gwf to over powered I just run from them now. he could spam some type of skill also when he caught you that locked us in place and stunned us no way out and could almost 2 shot us.
pvp is so screwed up certain rogue build can be in invis mode at ALL times and you can not hit them. only out of it for a 1 or 2 sec then back in they can hit you but you cant hit them. Couple that with a 1-2 sec it takes them to kil us wiz is a joke.
Hmmmm. NOO.... Sorry buddy but GWF have always sucked and we still do compared to all the other classes. However, in PvP now we are actually able to do somthing worth a ****...soooo.... face the fury of the GWF!!!!
People needs to look into things before QQing. The class didn't get that much of a buff.... Most of it was a 10% CDR on a bunch of skills and 10% dmg buff. The class still has the same defensive stats as it did 3 weeks ago. We just get to do damage now...We just have a crit severity buff built into our class so while most people are running around with 75% we have 90 or 95 if we are an half orc. People are just giving the class a chance now and the GOOD players are realizing the potential. While the bad are just copying the good. I'm specced destroyer with 9.6 GS. My abilities on a training dummy do.. Takedown 2.5k/5.2k crit. Flourish 4k/7.5 crit. And IBS does 5.5k/9.5k crit. And finally crescendo does around 8-13k dmg as its one of the only true multihitting attacks it's hard to gauge it's damage crit or no.
I just see your inability to adapt. Personally, I think they should increase the CD of takedown, but I feel its mostly your problem.
Lol, my guild adapted by sending one of our own GWFs to stand toe toe and sly flourish it out for minutes on end. You can't even admit that your class can take on 3-4 people easily and have the nerve to say it's my inability to adapt.
Catch 22. damned if they do, damned if they don't. Last week the hyperbole was that the class wasn't worth playing and this week the hyperbole is its OP and needs a nerf.
Catch 22. damned if they do, damned if they don't. Last week the hyperbole was that the class wasn't worth playing and this week the hyperbole is its OP and needs a nerf.
To be fair a lot of the QQ is from the pretty dire flavour-of-the month players who flocked to play TRs and are now having a hard time coping with the fact that they have to do more than hold down a single mouse button to beat GWFs now.......
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kristingraveMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
Hate GWF in PvP. I don't see how they are still useless in PVE tho? I usually rather run with a GWF then a GF in CN, given that GWF can run around pretty circles with the adds heal himself then also do damage on 3rd boss, it's a winner.
Lift me up.. Panda@kristingrave - CW - Dragon
Death@healxyou - DC - Dragon
To be fair a lot of the QQ is from the pretty dire flavour-of-the month players who flocked to play TRs and are now having a hard time coping with the fact that they have to do more than hold down a single mouse button to beat GWFs now.......
I actually still have no prob beating a GWF on my TR. But on my CW that **** takes major luck.
Lift me up.. Panda@kristingrave - CW - Dragon
Death@healxyou - DC - Dragon
I actually still have no prob beating a GWF on my TR. But on my CW that **** takes major luck.
Well yes, that was my point - a good TR stands a fairly even chance (maybe better than even) against a good GWF IF they know how to fight smart. It is just the huge mass of unskilled players who flocked to play TRs when they were truly overpowered who are are acting like crybabies now rather than learning how to play properly. Then again, if they actually knew how to properly adjust they wouldn't be so unskilled that they needed to play OP classes in the first place...
From a PVP perspective and a GWF, I have to "agree" with the TR in regards to our temporary hit points.
As a level 60 destroyer meh spec, I'm still a bit of a glass cannon. The temporary hit points will still fall faster then I can normally get it back up.
As a lvl50 sentinel. Please find another TR to help you. And a cleric and maybe a CW. Without your dailies up, I can stay at 10%hp for a good while if I have nothing on CD simply due to the fact that there are 3 people hitting me. One on One? You will likely have your cooldowns finished and my temp hp already gone before I can actually use Determination again. This will likely change when my recovery increases.
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notmuchleftMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
I wonder if OP was QQing about his class being unbalanced when his CW could 2 hit GWFers before the patch?
Only two things in this life are infinite. The universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the former. ~ Albert Einstein
Love to read about the brain-dead Trickster Rogues crying and whining about how they could not kill a Great Weapon Fighter. BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You chumps, who picked the easiest and most-overpowered class, strutting around like <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> of the walk, can now suffer. GWFs could not even get in Dungeon groups. People wanted 2 TRs. I hope you all choke on it. BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
From a PVP perspective and a GWF, I have to "agree" with the TR in regards to our temporary hit points.
As a level 60 destroyer meh spec, I'm still a bit of a glass cannon. The temporary hit points will still fall faster then I can normally get it back up.
As a lvl50 sentinel. Please find another TR to help you. And a cleric and maybe a CW. Without your dailies up, I can stay at 10%hp for a good while if I have nothing on CD simply due to the fact that there are 3 people hitting me. One on One? You will likely have your cooldowns finished and my temp hp already gone before I can actually use Determination again. This will likely change when my recovery increases.
Lol, it's so true when it comes to fighting a sentinel GWF. Props to you for admitting that a sentinel GWF is kind of ridiculous at the moment.
Tip when fighting a GWF and he activates his healing skill (dont know the name of it) then just run so he hopefully doesnt hit you (not to much atleast), when skill run off kill him, not that hard is it?
And for a GF, dont block to much cuz he will still heal.
I agree. I'm a T2 Wizard with Full enchants, rank 4 and 5. Yet its impossible to do any serious damage. On top of that, they are so hit so hard that I'm down nearly half health on first hit. Then before I can react on the second one he hits me again killing me.
I understand as CW. I have an advantage over him, vanishing and reappearing. It got to the point where one of members my party said, don't focus on the Guardian. It took so long to kill them over time, it was easier to focus on others first. Its simply not fair.
Sounds fair to me, maybe they had all T2 and all rank 5 enchants :P your rank 4 just didn't cut it :P Also good for GWF about time they were more on par.
so far everyone who think sentinel GWF is not OP are the one that using them, GG
just like TRs that say int perma stealth is not OP, but hey compare to sentinel gwf they are actually right!!
Sounds fair to me, maybe they had all T2 and all rank 5 enchants :P your rank 4 just didn't cut it :P Also good for GWF about time they were more on par.
I would say out of par now. GWF is the new tank in pvp and pve.
People actually think low damage perma-stealth TRs are OP compared to this is mind blowing.
Look at the Ice Knife the CW does to him at 3:58, it barely moves his HP bar.
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rragleMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
I appreciate the honesty of those who play a GWF admitting its ridiculous.
TR's perma stealth build is stupid.
Those who try and defend GWF saying adapt, is lol.
It's like asking someone to adapt when running head first at a truck doing 60 mph towards you.
Resistance is futile, and that's why so many are playing them.
Enjoy your flavour of the month build!!
Oh and off tanks either dps or tank or they can do both but much worse than either a tank or a dps class.
They shouldn't be able to do both better. That's the point of a hybrid.
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Yeah if two people have to go to for one person, essentially you reduced their numbers at mid and their own cap point.
Do you not see how freaking <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> your class is, is that you can carry your team on your back alone because of your class' OPness?
Hehe, as I was reading this I was just thinking, hey didn't someone say in that big GF rant post that people would be saying GWFs are OP next :P
Hmmmm. NOO.... Sorry buddy but GWF have always sucked and we still do compared to all the other classes. However, in PvP now we are actually able to do somthing worth a ****...soooo.... face the fury of the GWF!!!!
Lol, my guild adapted by sending one of our own GWFs to stand toe toe and sly flourish it out for minutes on end. You can't even admit that your class can take on 3-4 people easily and have the nerve to say it's my inability to adapt.
Edit: came off too hostile, apologies
To be fair a lot of the QQ is from the pretty dire flavour-of-the month players who flocked to play TRs and are now having a hard time coping with the fact that they have to do more than hold down a single mouse button to beat GWFs now.......
Lift me up..
Panda@kristingrave - CW - Dragon
Death@healxyou - DC - Dragon
but yes thx to the QQ-ers in the first place now things are at the other extreme....
I actually still have no prob beating a GWF on my TR. But on my CW that **** takes major luck.
Lift me up..
Panda@kristingrave - CW - Dragon
Death@healxyou - DC - Dragon
Well yes, that was my point - a good TR stands a fairly even chance (maybe better than even) against a good GWF IF they know how to fight smart. It is just the huge mass of unskilled players who flocked to play TRs when they were truly overpowered who are are acting like crybabies now rather than learning how to play properly. Then again, if they actually knew how to properly adjust they wouldn't be so unskilled that they needed to play OP classes in the first place...
As a level 60 destroyer meh spec, I'm still a bit of a glass cannon. The temporary hit points will still fall faster then I can normally get it back up.
As a lvl50 sentinel. Please find another TR to help you. And a cleric and maybe a CW. Without your dailies up, I can stay at 10%hp for a good while if I have nothing on CD simply due to the fact that there are 3 people hitting me. One on One? You will likely have your cooldowns finished and my temp hp already gone before I can actually use Determination again. This will likely change when my recovery increases.
Lol, it's so true when it comes to fighting a sentinel GWF. Props to you for admitting that a sentinel GWF is kind of ridiculous at the moment.
And for a GF, dont block to much cuz he will still heal.
Sounds fair to me, maybe they had all T2 and all rank 5 enchants :P your rank 4 just didn't cut it :P Also good for GWF about time they were more on par.
just like TRs that say int perma stealth is not OP, but hey compare to sentinel gwf they are actually right!!
I would say out of par now. GWF is the new tank in pvp and pve.
GFs? Don't need 'em anymore....
When they can do this in pvp:
GWF trolling
People actually think low damage perma-stealth TRs are OP compared to this is mind blowing.
Look at the Ice Knife the CW does to him at 3:58, it barely moves his HP bar.
TR's perma stealth build is stupid.
Those who try and defend GWF saying adapt, is lol.
It's like asking someone to adapt when running head first at a truck doing 60 mph towards you.
Resistance is futile, and that's why so many are playing them.
Enjoy your flavour of the month build!!
Oh and off tanks either dps or tank or they can do both but much worse than either a tank or a dps class.
They shouldn't be able to do both better. That's the point of a hybrid.
Someone is either getting nerfed into the ground or an overkill boost.