ronsonjonMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Just curious are you willing to refund me entirely for the Founders Pack and all Zen purchases ? I knew there would not be a fair way to deal with this unless it was a ROLL Back to a fresh start.
I played this game honestly and paid my real money honestly, and feel cheated for the future of having to play with those who exploited the game and have every neat treasure there is including weapons, gear, pets, mounts etc.
Why in the 9 hells would you not roll back to the beginning ? yes we will have to start over but feel as though we are all on the same playing field.
1) I accidentally bought mount training 2 when the game first started and have been listing it over and over in hopes someone would help me recover the ~750,000 AD. Yesterday, finally, someone bought it! Now I'll never get that lucky again, probably. That totally sucks.
2) I sure hope the "sorry package" is good. If it's a bunch of party poppers that'd be kind of insulting. I'm talking about a "consume this for 2 levels" item would be nice, because that's about how much I played :P
Just curious are you willing to refund me entirely for the Founders Pack and all Zen purchases ? I knew there would not be a fair way to deal with this unless it was a ROLL Back to a fresh start.
I played this game honestly and paid my real money honestly, and feel cheated for the future of having to play with those who exploited the game and have every neat treasure there is including weapons, gear, pets, mounts etc.
Why in the 9 hells would you not roll back to the beginning ? yes we will have to start over but feel as though we are all on the same playing field.
They banned/are banning the exploiters...the AH is down because they are probably cleaning it up. They are handling it. They wont let the economy be inflated like it was yesterday. Just calm down.
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jn2002dk1Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Bernie stole billions of dollars, and you "demand" something of the bank and not Bernie? He stole nothing from you, they stole nothing form you, but because of his theft your assets are worth less. That would be called Value. Seems I mentioned that in my first post, but you were apparently unable to read.
So lets make this simple for you.
You converted your currency to another country's currency, you happily spent some of that currency showing you believe you got fair value for your trade. Now the currency you bought is worth less then it was due to outside forces influencing the market. That would be called "Loss of Value". "Loss of Value" is not a reason for a legal dispute with a credit card company, therefor you are threatening to do something illegal unless someone does something for you. That is called extortion and is by the way a criminal offense.
You not only have admitted you are planning to do it in a very public forum, you have tried to defend the practice, showing you have no moral compass.
I apologize for the swearing, but apparently it is the only way to get you to read.
You still have not said what you lost, besides VALUE of your assets? BTW, When that becomes something I can sue somebody over, let me know, because there are a couple of Past (and current for that matter) Presidents that owe me at least a "Cat".
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I dont need to be able to sue, i can simple ask Paypal to refund my money which they'll do in a heartbeat because fortunately Paypal and CC companies almost always side with the consumer and no, that's not illegal
I HAVE lost something, the value of my assets which were promised to have a certain worth when i bought it. I expect compensation or i will charge back since i wasn't given product i was promised on their website. It really is that simple and the fact you refuse to see it and instead try to use smoke and mirrors through faulty analogies makes me wonder what kind of an investment you have in PWE
Almost forgot to write why its a faulty analogy
This was not some outside force they couldn't control. This was an exploit that people have reported since the closed beta. This was an exploit which was also present in another Cryptic game months ago. This means they fully knew about it and yet they didn't do anything about it
Full wipe would mean instant death for the game at this point.
Furthermore if you do not know how mmo databases are built and handled stop shouting nonsenses already. It can take them some time to wipe cheaters but they can do it quite easily.
They just have to determine the players that can ruin the economy and couldnt possibly have millions of AD an just ban their butts off and wipe their accounts.
This is doable.
So please don't suggest full wipes. I'm not starting over again just as I think most innocent people wouldn't just because some <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that can be solved happened.
I have a problem i did buy a tier 2 weapon from the drake seal wendor whith 120 drake seals i had like 135 or somthing dont remenber now i have onlee 15 and dont have the sword.The tier 2 sword Drake's Longsword of the Grand Regent i put it on the action house yesterday and dont have it not in mail not in my backpack its gone.There is nothing abaut seals in the first page. THX u
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rogosh69Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 23Arc User
edited May 2013
I won avatar of war's scale in my t2 dungeon run yesterday, this is very rare. I will be very pissed if I dont get this back.
Exploiters are/will be banned already. This was taken care of yesterday afternoon. They received emails. Unless they missed a lot of people.
What about the ones who have been exploiting since launch? Most of then are laughing about a 72 hour ban - when they made 50,000,000 AD and thousands of gold.
I am a Lawyer in real life, but I try to roleplay an honorable character
Just curious are you willing to refund me entirely for the Founders Pack and all Zen purchases ? I knew there would not be a fair way to deal with this unless it was a ROLL Back to a fresh start.
I played this game honestly and paid my real money honestly, and feel cheated for the future of having to play with those who exploited the game and have every neat treasure there is including weapons, gear, pets, mounts etc.
Why in the 9 hells would you not roll back to the beginning ? yes we will have to start over but feel as though we are all on the same playing field.
I agree. The cheaters won.
I am a Lawyer in real life, but I try to roleplay an honorable character
This has been a REPORTED PROBLEM long before May 19, 2013 (MANY PEOPLE have submited tickets to you all and you've blown them off and closed them) Lots of us have screen shots of these tickets that were submited as the users where kind enough to post
them online for all to see that NOTHING WAS DONE.
The people that were doing this have been doing this LONG BEFORE THIS DATE. It really just blew up yesterday and the ecomony really tanked as of yesterday. But that doesn't add to the fact that the other 3 or 4 major exploits you all (BLEW OFF) didn't add to it. Why not just admit fault and do a wipe of the servers that a lot of us want? your not fixing the problem here your just <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> over all of us that didn't jump on this bug when it was first leaked in APHA and you all didn't close it than.
Many people jumped on this soon as launch hit and the horse has already left the gate. I don't know what you think you have fixed by rolling it back a few hours? maybe you put a few bucks back in your Wallets and thats all that really matters to you all I guess.
They banned/are banning the exploiters...the AH is down because they are probably cleaning it up. They are handling it. They wont let the economy be inflated like it was yesterday. Just calm down.
omfg are you that stupid? they cant fix it... the exploiter bought gold, 1000+ of cats, all the epic loot, and all the Zen, so they need to first ban the exploiters, then they need to retrace every single transaction, from close beta, and forward, not to mention that the exploiters would have a **** load of mules, and everyone in there guild and on therte freind list have been affected from there "gifts", there awesome solution to this problem is a 7 hour rollback, yea great fix, this just show all of us that f2p = cheat as often and as much as possible, you wont loose anything.
I put up 1000 Zen for 383 AD each a few days ago. There have only been a few transactions and of course the AD/AH is now bonkers. So when do I get my AD? Or should I simply forfeit my Zen, throw up my hands and say 'oh well'?
Lo, the mighty Oak: Just a little nut who stood his ground.
It is beginning to look that way since PW doesn't have the stones to do the right thing and do a proper rollback. "Starting Sunday morning"....what a load of ****. It got totally out of hand Sunday morning, but it became very noticeable early Saturday night and has been going on since launch.
This is starting to remind me of the Failcom hacking debacle in Age of Conan. They never took charge of that problem and it ruined the game.
I hope I'm wrong, but these halfassed approaches to fixing serious problems is very disconcerting. I like this game and would like to spend a lot of money on this game, but I won't <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> my money down the drain on a poorly designed and poorly policed product.
Full wipe would mean instant death for the game at this point.
Furthermore if you do not know how mmo databases are built and handled stop shouting nonsenses already. It can take them some time to wipe cheaters but they can do it quite easily.
They just have to determine the players that can ruin the economy and couldnt possibly have millions of AD an just ban their butts off and wipe their accounts.
This is doable.
So please don't suggest full wipes. I'm not starting over again just as I think most innocent people wouldn't just because some <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that can be solved happened.
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sychanthrisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 6Arc User
edited May 2013
at least you got yours, i bought the founders pack that was supposed to come with 600k and got 0 so yeah i am a bit miffed
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averice101Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
edited May 2013
I lost celestial coins on 4 different characters. Does this mean I would get a thank you pack for each of this characters or would I have to just count it as a loss on my other characters
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rumtum2Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 2Arc User
Gotta be honest with you, Gropey. They'd lose a whole lot of honest and "law abiding" players if they did a total wipe. Just from my side of the fence every player I run with, all of us 35 years of age + have seriously stated it'd be game over for them if a total wipe occurred. I'd keep playing, but everyone else I run with are clear that they would not. No nerd rage, just stated plain and simple. I think a lot of other players feel the same.
Yea gotta love these "most players want a wipe" sweeping statements.
not only do they still have the items in bank (rank 8-9 runes, weapons runes, ancient weapons, etc ...), but also their pets (cats are selling like crazy), but also the balance AD they put on the Zen market ...
So lets say u scamed 100 millions (which everybody seemed to have done except me, since they are all loling about it), u put them on the zen market asking for zen at a top price (so u sure to get zen as soon as someone sells some), and there they are ... still there ...
So the roll back happens to suppress the AD from your character account, your lvl, progress ... but does not affect your bank storage or you Zen market ...
meaning even if i get my items that were on the AH, ppl who bought them will still have them (items duplicated i guess).
i so worked my *** to farm or make nice items, sell them for a regular price, and a cheater is going to have them for free ...
I also did a lot of work to be able to buy a pet, and now everybody owns it ... again for free ...
Rollback did not affect everything, and that is a strong problem !
I'd like this issue answered in the FAQ please
Am I the only one noticing this problem ? why isn't it discussed and adressed in the FAQ ? can we quit the raging and use this post to add to the FAQ content ?
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jn2002dk1Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Actually, less then 40% of all CC disputes are found in the Customer favor. Most charge backs are reversed once the company shows they provided what was promised.
This is from PAYPAL'S website.
While most buyers file chargebacks for reasons they believe are legitimate, there are criminals out there who try to take advantage of the system.
The claims most often exploited for chargeback fraud are:
1.A scammer makes a legitimate purchase - but claims the transaction was not authorized.
2.A criminal pretends an item never arrived, or lies and says it arrived significantly different than it was described.
Knowing about chargeback fraud helps prevent you from becoming a victim. It is also a good idea to familiarize yourself with the ways to reduce the risk of legitimate chargebacks.
Because you are so sure that neither of these apply to you, I will be sure to forward your account information to PayPal so they can be prepared to respond to your false allegations.
Ahhhahah go right ahead, too funny
I will get my money back and you'll be stuck in a game that's dead on arrival with a greedy company that doesn't give a **** about it's customers except to grab some extra cash
It's kinda amusing how you've yet to adress the fact that this exploit has been known by Cryptic for months yet they did nothing
How do you defend that?
I mean the amount of smoke and mirrors you're using to defend this sorry excuse for a company makes me think you're either heavily invested in them or you're actually a shrill
I lost 5 levels on my GF, 2 on my cleric, and about a dozen across their companions, but I am not sure if I lost anything on the crafting side of the house... can't tell. I didn't loose any my legitimately bought purples off the AH... I just hope if I was taken for a ad scam ride by any of the cheaters I get a little of the AD I spent on them. Of course, I will admit that 400k for a purple mailsmith is a good price, but not sure on the 800k for a purple crafting tool wasn't artificial, but since the racket has been going on since day 1 then I can't tell.
I like how PWE is still calling it a BETA and we are testers, yet there's no character wipe when 'live' hits and real world $$$ is still readily being accepted. Also love how the founders got a 5-day 'headstart' for BETA.
Actually, less then 40% of all CC disputes are found in the Customer favor. Most charge backs are reversed once the company shows they provided what was promised.
This is from PAYPAL'S website.
While most buyers file chargebacks for reasons they believe are legitimate, there are criminals out there who try to take advantage of the system.
The claims most often exploited for chargeback fraud are:
1.A scammer makes a legitimate purchase - but claims the transaction was not authorized.
2.A criminal pretends an item never arrived, or lies and says it arrived significantly different than it was described.
Knowing about chargeback fraud helps prevent you from becoming a victim. It is also a good idea to familiarize yourself with the ways to reduce the risk of legitimate chargebacks.
Because you are so sure that neither of these apply to you, I will be sure to forward your account information to PayPal so they can be prepared to respond to your false allegations.
Visa patentedly has a clause that protects the card carrier in the case of "Lemon Service". This protection is such that if you use a Visa card to buy something and it turns out to be in anyway unsatisfactory the charge can be reversed by Visa. It requires a simple conversation with their claims department where you show what part or portion was unsatisfactory.
That said I want to know about the Zen that legitimate players have lost. I had unwithdrawn Zen in the exchange while I traded in my AD I was gaining to save up for more character slots (having already bought several upgrades with money for each of the members of my family I was waiting on slots 5&6 for my account to be bought in game). All my Zen has been set to 0, the AD spent (earned as foundry tips, from dailies, invoking) is gone. I've NEVER even opened the AH. Was never involved in any "gifting" and yet here I am with my account affected. I know there are those who had more loss than I did but they all seem to be hollering and screaming enough to be heard for themselves. What about me and players like me who played the game legitimately, never even used the AH much less bought or sold anything that could have been involved in the many exploits to or from other players and still are now without our AD or our Zen?
I assure you, there are more players who never knew what was going on that were impacted than those who were "in the know". Is nothing going to be done to make sure they get what they lost back? Were not talking about stuff that happened during the rollback, this was unwithdrawn Zen from the market that was bought DAYS ago.
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I like how PWE is still calling it a BETA and we are testers, yet there's no character wipe when 'live' hits and real world $$$ is still readily being accepted. Also love how the founders got a 5-day 'headstart' for BETA.
Agreed. They are accepting real $$$ in exchange for in-game services and items. That is NOT something you do in a BETA.
Not sure if I find the response to this exploit to be acceptable. Leaning towards quitting altogether at this point.
My friend is banned and i know she hasnt been involved with the exploit at all. What can she do to get unbanned?
Be careful as you are breaking forums rules about about this is from the forums rules
"No representing banned members. Don't represent any banned individuals. They were banned for a reason. Assisting them in any way or form will lump you in the same boat. This includes posting from your alt to ask about one of your own characters being banned from the forums."
She needs to send a email to support about it that is the only way it can be handled.
I was very alarmed to see, when I logged in, that all my consigned items in the AH are GONE. I had 40 items listed, most of them uncommon, but I had about 10 rare items, and some of them had bids over 4500 AD. I am also missing Celestial Coins - I had 6 before the rollback, and now I have the 1 that I just received from Invoking this morning.
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jn2002dk1Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Congress knew that the regulations did not nothing to slow or prevent Ponzi Schemes, in fact, deregulation made it easier to commit the crime. By your logic, congress is responsible for my loss, Does that mean I can ask for a refund of my taxes ?
Cryptic knew there was a loop hole, but did not see it a viable threat to the system, so they did not try to fix it. They were wrong to be sure, but you still lost nothing because of it. Your Astral Diamonds are worth exactly what they were worth when you bought them in monetary terms.
Can I defend Cryptic? No, and I wont try to. But that does not make what you are doing right. Tell yourself what you will to sleep at night, but if you dispute the charge, your a con-man. If you continue to play, knowing that you are going to dispute the card, your also a thief. If you threaten to dispute the charge unless more that what was promised is delivered, your an extortionist.
Liar, Con-man, Thief, Extortionist.... you need to by a character slot, your running out of room.
Except i cant change my AD to cash now can i?
Also, you really need to stop making flawed analogies, it does you no favours. The same goes for ad hominem
If you can't argue your case without numerous fallacies your case is not worth arguing
Just for your piece of mind since it's obviously important to you - i'm not playing the game until i see a response from Cryptic or PWE where they state how they'll deal with the now worthless AD and what's inside this package (though it's going to be idendity scrolls or some equally worthless junk)
That's when i'll decide whether it's actually worth giving them a second chance or doing my charge back. The ball is in their court
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I played this game honestly and paid my real money honestly, and feel cheated for the future of having to play with those who exploited the game and have every neat treasure there is including weapons, gear, pets, mounts etc.
Why in the 9 hells would you not roll back to the beginning ? yes we will have to start over but feel as though we are all on the same playing field.
1) I accidentally bought mount training 2 when the game first started and have been listing it over and over in hopes someone would help me recover the ~750,000 AD. Yesterday, finally, someone bought it! Now I'll never get that lucky again, probably. That totally sucks.
2) I sure hope the "sorry package" is good. If it's a bunch of party poppers that'd be kind of insulting. I'm talking about a "consume this for 2 levels" item would be nice, because that's about how much I played :P
They banned/are banning the exploiters...the AH is down because they are probably cleaning it up. They are handling it. They wont let the economy be inflated like it was yesterday. Just calm down.
I HAVE lost something, the value of my assets which were promised to have a certain worth when i bought it. I expect compensation or i will charge back since i wasn't given product i was promised on their website. It really is that simple and the fact you refuse to see it and instead try to use smoke and mirrors through faulty analogies makes me wonder what kind of an investment you have in PWE
Almost forgot to write why its a faulty analogy
This was not some outside force they couldn't control. This was an exploit that people have reported since the closed beta. This was an exploit which was also present in another Cryptic game months ago. This means they fully knew about it and yet they didn't do anything about it
Full wipe would mean instant death for the game at this point.
Furthermore if you do not know how mmo databases are built and handled stop shouting nonsenses already. It can take them some time to wipe cheaters but they can do it quite easily.
They just have to determine the players that can ruin the economy and couldnt possibly have millions of AD an just ban their butts off and wipe their accounts.
This is doable.
So please don't suggest full wipes. I'm not starting over again just as I think most innocent people wouldn't just because some <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that can be solved happened.
What about the ones who have been exploiting since launch? Most of then are laughing about a 72 hour ban - when they made 50,000,000 AD and thousands of gold.
I agree. The cheaters won.
them online for all to see that NOTHING WAS DONE.
The people that were doing this have been doing this LONG BEFORE THIS DATE. It really just blew up yesterday and the ecomony really tanked as of yesterday. But that doesn't add to the fact that the other 3 or 4 major exploits you all (BLEW OFF) didn't add to it. Why not just admit fault and do a wipe of the servers that a lot of us want? your not fixing the problem here your just <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> over all of us that didn't jump on this bug when it was first leaked in APHA and you all didn't close it than.
Many people jumped on this soon as launch hit and the horse has already left the gate. I don't know what you think you have fixed by rolling it back a few hours? maybe you put a few bucks back in your Wallets and thats all that really matters to you all I guess.
omfg are you that stupid? they cant fix it... the exploiter bought gold, 1000+ of cats, all the epic loot, and all the Zen, so they need to first ban the exploiters, then they need to retrace every single transaction, from close beta, and forward, not to mention that the exploiters would have a **** load of mules, and everyone in there guild and on therte freind list have been affected from there "gifts", there awesome solution to this problem is a 7 hour rollback, yea great fix, this just show all of us that f2p = cheat as often and as much as possible, you wont loose anything.
I lost 15kk add and noone gives a **** about it .So dream on about getting your little t2 back
It is beginning to look that way since PW doesn't have the stones to do the right thing and do a proper rollback. "Starting Sunday morning"....what a load of ****. It got totally out of hand Sunday morning, but it became very noticeable early Saturday night and has been going on since launch.
This is starting to remind me of the Failcom hacking debacle in Age of Conan. They never took charge of that problem and it ruined the game.
I hope I'm wrong, but these halfassed approaches to fixing serious problems is very disconcerting. I like this game and would like to spend a lot of money on this game, but I won't <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> my money down the drain on a poorly designed and poorly policed product.
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Yea gotta love these "most players want a wipe" sweeping statements.
Umm no. Please don't speak on our behalf thanks.
Am I the only one noticing this problem ? why isn't it discussed and adressed in the FAQ ? can we quit the raging and use this post to add to the FAQ content ?
I will get my money back and you'll be stuck in a game that's dead on arrival with a greedy company that doesn't give a **** about it's customers except to grab some extra cash
It's kinda amusing how you've yet to adress the fact that this exploit has been known by Cryptic for months yet they did nothing
How do you defend that?
I mean the amount of smoke and mirrors you're using to defend this sorry excuse for a company makes me think you're either heavily invested in them or you're actually a shrill
Since this exploit used the AH please explain how you can do it again since the AH is still down?
Visa patentedly has a clause that protects the card carrier in the case of "Lemon Service". This protection is such that if you use a Visa card to buy something and it turns out to be in anyway unsatisfactory the charge can be reversed by Visa. It requires a simple conversation with their claims department where you show what part or portion was unsatisfactory.
That said I want to know about the Zen that legitimate players have lost. I had unwithdrawn Zen in the exchange while I traded in my AD I was gaining to save up for more character slots (having already bought several upgrades with money for each of the members of my family I was waiting on slots 5&6 for my account to be bought in game). All my Zen has been set to 0, the AD spent (earned as foundry tips, from dailies, invoking) is gone. I've NEVER even opened the AH. Was never involved in any "gifting" and yet here I am with my account affected. I know there are those who had more loss than I did but they all seem to be hollering and screaming enough to be heard for themselves. What about me and players like me who played the game legitimately, never even used the AH much less bought or sold anything that could have been involved in the many exploits to or from other players and still are now without our AD or our Zen?
I assure you, there are more players who never knew what was going on that were impacted than those who were "in the know". Is nothing going to be done to make sure they get what they lost back? Were not talking about stuff that happened during the rollback, this was unwithdrawn Zen from the market that was bought DAYS ago.
Agreed. They are accepting real $$$ in exchange for in-game services and items. That is NOT something you do in a BETA.
Not sure if I find the response to this exploit to be acceptable. Leaning towards quitting altogether at this point.
ten bucks says the gift is some identify scrolls and portable altars.
Maybe a unopened lockbox with no key.
Be careful as you are breaking forums rules about about this is from the forums rules
"No representing banned members. Don't represent any banned individuals. They were banned for a reason. Assisting them in any way or form will lump you in the same boat. This includes posting from your alt to ask about one of your own characters being banned from the forums."
She needs to send a email to support about it that is the only way it can be handled.
Also, you really need to stop making flawed analogies, it does you no favours. The same goes for ad hominem
If you can't argue your case without numerous fallacies your case is not worth arguing
Just for your piece of mind since it's obviously important to you - i'm not playing the game until i see a response from Cryptic or PWE where they state how they'll deal with the now worthless AD and what's inside this package (though it's going to be idendity scrolls or some equally worthless junk)
That's when i'll decide whether it's actually worth giving them a second chance or doing my charge back. The ball is in their court