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CW stormspell is out of control

xmousepadxxmousepadx Member Posts: 381 Bounty Hunter
edited August 2014 in NeverwinterPreview - Feedback/General Discussion
So after a few minutes testing Stormspell together with ray of frost i got those numbers....

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Not that the dmg from stormspell is insanly high, but on average EACH ray of frost tick proccs it TWICE, check the amount of hits. Thats like 13k dmg with 1 ray of frost hit!
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    warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    xmousepadx wrote: »
    So after a few minutes testing Stormspell together with ray of frost i got those numbers....

    hp1wm561ao2q.png

    Not that the dmg from stormspell is insanly high, but on average EACH ray of frost tick proccs it TWICE, check the amount of hits. Thats like 13k dmg with 1 ray of frost hit!

    they just made it broken op how was before mod 4 :( so goodbye hr,gf,tr,gwf,dc and new warlocks we will have cw game again how we have atm cw again have the best dps,utily,controll and this is called balance for devs
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    mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    xmousepadx wrote: »
    So after a few minutes testing Stormspell together with ray of frost i got those numbers....

    Not that the dmg from stormspell is insanly high, but on average EACH ray of frost tick proccs it TWICE, check the amount of hits. Thats like 13k dmg with 1 ray of frost hit!

    Ouch - thanks for pointing this out as it does seem to be not WAI.

    On a side note I wonder how many players found this but kept it to themselves.
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    yuccapalmyuccapalm Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 195 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    So what? Fox shift was hitting for around 16k when it could hit one target 4 times.
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    iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mconosrep wrote: »
    Ouch - thanks for pointing this out as it does seem to be not WAI.

    On a side note I wonder how many players found this but kept it to themselves.

    Can't be that many , patch had only been up a hour or two when this post was made and no patch notes were added for some reason so a lot of preview players wouldn't have even known the patch went up yet.
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    twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mconosrep wrote: »
    Ouch - thanks for pointing this out as it does seem to be not WAI.

    On a side note I wonder how many players found this but kept it to themselves.
    RoF has always doubl-procced effects like Storm Spell. They proc once on the damage tick and again on the chill stack. In fact all powers that stack chill have this effect - it's just that RoF has the fastest tick rate for the longest duration.

    All that's happened here is the increased proc chance of Storm Spell resulting in a larger percentage of successful procs per damage and chill tick. It was an entirely predictable outcome and frankly I'm surprised that the devs missed it.
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    nathanmehew2435nathanmehew2435 Member Posts: 140 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Can confirm this with an OMG the damage
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    koalazebra1koalazebra1 Member Posts: 1,173 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    this is like mod 2 deep gash but more op, stop defending this skill-less mechanic. this needs a nerf
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    zacazuzacazu Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,934 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    the damage with ice ray / steal time is unnecessary ...
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    nathanmehew2435nathanmehew2435 Member Posts: 140 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    koalazebra1 wrote: »
    this is like mod 2 deep gash but more op, stop defending this skill-less mechanic. this needs a nerf

    You are wrong it don't need a nerf it needs to be FIXED it's currently bugged and working a little to good. Needs to be taken back to the state it is was last patch and NOT bugged
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    hefisdohefisdo Member Posts: 709 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    Holy **** I didn't log yet (didn't even know there was a new patch) but this is certainly bugged according to your tests. I'll test asap when I log, but it's almost certain that the problem is with Ray of Frost only, since people are only showing parses with this power.
    koalazebra1 wrote: »
    stop defending this skill-less mechanic

    Plot twist: they made every CW mechanic be easy to perform.

    I'm not even kidding; it doesn't matter what power you use, all our passives and features do the entire work.
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    midnightfang93midnightfang93 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    hefisdo wrote: »
    Holy **** I didn't log yet (didn't even know there was a new patch) but this is certainly bugged according to your tests. I'll test asap when I log, but it's almost certain that the problem is with Ray of Frost only, since people are only showing parses with this power.
    Well, according to:
    twilightwatchman wrote: »
    RoF has always doubl-procced effects like Storm Spell. They proc once on the damage tick and again on the chill stack. In fact all powers that stack chill have this effect - it's just that RoF has the fastest tick rate for the longest duration.

    All that's happened here is the increased proc chance of Storm Spell resulting in a larger percentage of successful procs per damage and chill tick. It was an entirely predictable outcome and frankly I'm surprised that the devs missed it.

    its all chill powers, but Ray of Frost is simply the fastest attacking chill power so its the easiest to test with.
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    nathanmehew2435nathanmehew2435 Member Posts: 140 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    UPDATE
    This is a CW damage after a CN run :)
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    nathanmehew2435nathanmehew2435 Member Posts: 140 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    hefisdo wrote: »
    Holy **** I didn't log yet (didn't even know there was a new patch) but this is certainly bugged according to your tests. I'll test asap when I log, but it's almost certain that the problem is with Ray of Frost only, since people are only showing parses with this power.



    Plot twist: they made every CW mechanic be easy to perform.

    I'm not even kidding; it doesn't matter what power you use, all our passives and features do the entire work.

    Unfortunately you are wrong it isn't a problem with Ray of Frost it's the fact that Sudden Storm procs ridiculously often.
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    cerberobotcerberobot Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 345
    edited August 2014
    hefisdo wrote: »
    Holy **** I didn't log yet (didn't even know there was a new patch) but this is certainly bugged according to your tests. I'll test asap when I log, but it's almost certain that the problem is with Ray of Frost only, since people are only showing parses with this power.



    Plot twist: they made every CW mechanic be easy to perform.

    I'm not even kidding; it doesn't matter what power you use, all our passives and features do the entire work.

    The difference between CW and some other classes :
    Devs are making ALL CW skills good, whereas the good skills like GWF's are nerfed to make everything bad. Yes i'm QQing. Because now CW has a lot of possibility to build and GWF has only 2 builds/possibilities to be playable a bit.
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    twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nathanmehew2435 wrote: »
    Unfortunately you are wrong it isn't a problem with Ray of Frost it's the fact that Sudden Storm procs ridiculously often.
    Correct. Now, the fact that chill stacks proc effects like Storm Spell and weapon enchantments may well be a bug, but if so it's one that's been around forever.

    Fixing this is simple - reduce the proc chance of Storm Spell back to what it used to be.
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    twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    koalazebra1 wrote: »
    this is like mod 2 deep gash but more op, stop defending this skill-less mechanic. this needs a nerf
    Nobody is defending it, and everyone agrees it needs a fix.

    HTH
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    twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    cerberobot wrote: »
    The difference between CW and some other classes :
    Devs are making ALL CW skills good, whereas the good skills like GWF's are nerfed to make everything bad. Yes i'm QQing. Because now CW has a lot of possibility to build and GWF has only 2 builds/possibilities to be playable a bit.
    Actually not true. If you play an MoF CW there have been many nerfs and few buffs to a paragon that was already tough to make perform as well as Spellstorm.
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    magiquepursemagiquepurse Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    It's hardly different than putting a Careful Attack crit on people under Constrict/Disruptive and having fun looking at them melt while they are helpless. Or than a GWF spamming Rush on you while missing every Roar and Takedown and still ending up killing you by pure class superiority.

    CWs had to put up with this kind of stuff for entire modules.

    Fix the double proc, then enjoy a module of CW finally being in the same place other classes were for long months. Nothing to fear. We're harmless, cute and cuddly.
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    cerberobotcerberobot Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 345
    edited August 2014
    twilightwatchman wrote: »
    Actually not true. If you play an MoF CW there have been many nerfs and few buffs to a paragon that was already tough to make perform as well as Spellstorm.

    Some are nerfed but everything is still usefull. Look at gwf and mighty leap, not so fast, reaping strike, steedfast, etc etc
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    cryptfoundationcryptfoundation Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    yuccapalm wrote: »
    So what? Fox shift was hitting for around 16k when it could hit one target 4 times.

    Wrong it can only hit one target twice and only has 3 initial attacks if hitting multiple enemies. But nice trying to take the op light off of your class and put it on class you know nothing about
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    hefisdohefisdo Member Posts: 709 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    twilightwatchman wrote: »
    Fixing this is simple - reduce the proc chance of Storm Spell back to what it used to be.

    I'd say to fix it only by withdrawing the damage buff and fixing the Chill stack issue, because the effect of this is really cool and 35% chance to proc helps to kill some low HP mobs.
    cryptfoundation wrote: »
    Wrong it can only hit one target twice and only has 3 initial attacks if hitting multiple enemies. But nice trying to take the op light off of your class and put it on class you know nothing about

    He was referring to Fox Shift on Mod 2 I think.
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    cryptfoundationcryptfoundation Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    magiquepurse wrote: »
    It's hardly different than putting a Careful Attack crit on people under Constrict/Disruptive and having fun looking at them melt while they are helpless. Or than a GWF spamming Rush on you while missing every Roar and Takedown and still ending up killing you by pure class superiority.

    CWs had to put up with this kind of stuff for entire modules.

    Fix the double proc, then enjoy a module of CW finally being in the same place other classes were for long months. Nothing to fear. We're harmless, cute and cuddly.

    Careful attack crit? What?
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    magiquepursemagiquepurse Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    cryptfoundation wrote: »
    Careful attack crit? What?

    What what? if you specced correctly it will reduce cooldowns. Please don't tell me you're combat or nature lol.

    That's pretty much just making smart use of Prime Critical.
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    yuccapalmyuccapalm Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 195 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    cryptfoundation wrote: »
    Wrong it can only hit one target twice and only has 3 initial attacks if hitting multiple enemies. But nice trying to take the op light off of your class and put it on class you know nothing about

    Looks like you just started playing this game. Before mod 3 it did 4 attacks and all of them could hit 1 target.
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    midnightfang93midnightfang93 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I honestly think the dev's are just using a dart board for the changes. Did they really think doubling the damage of Spell Storm and making it hit ~1 out of every 3 attacks was a good idea?
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    warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    problem is there was no reason for last spellstorm path buffing it preformed very good in dps it could still easy out dps other classes and mof path by far
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    letojarred1letojarred1 Member Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    warpet wrote: »
    problem is there was no reason for last spellstorm path buffing it preformed very good in dps it could still easy out dps other classes and mof path by far

    Its really vexing to outperform a good Storm Mage (even in Live) I need to stack 5 Arcanes to FTF and a good Sing>FTF>ST>Shard Combo "AND HOPE IT CRITS" to climb up the Storm Mage's damage. I can outdamage them in boss but the overall Paingiver takes those adds' numbers too!, if you put your 100% effort you can outdps them by 6 digits and 1 mess up rotation for you they'll be back again and you'll be back to square 1. (Points being based on a paingiver chart hehehe what vanity :rolleyes:) Patching preview now, hope they fix stormspell.
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    cryptfoundationcryptfoundation Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    yuccapalm wrote: »
    Looks like you just started playing this game. Before mod 3 it did 4 attacks and all of them could hit 1 target.

    Looks like you just started playing because your point is incorrect. Before mod 3 it did 3 attacks but they nerfed it so that it can only hit one target twice (you obviously don't play the class since you're wrong) that was nerfed for a reason is just proving why Storm Spell should be nerfed. So again good job trying to take the spotlight off your class
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    cryptfoundationcryptfoundation Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    magiquepurse wrote: »
    What what? if you specced correctly it will reduce cooldowns. Please don't tell me you're combat or nature lol.

    That's pretty much just making smart use of Prime Critical.

    Best way to proc prime critical is placing Careful attack then thorn ward and spamming rapid shot.
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    loboguildloboguild Member Posts: 2,371 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    double post
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