Unstoppable was spammable only cause nab players spammed at-wills instead of prone and focus DPS, then kite.
I agree considering the amount of crazy DPS we get now, nerfing unstoppable so much may be a little overboard.
Also, i agree that we were told gwf was not proactive and needed a change, and prones were removed cause it was bad to have something ignoring defense/deflection, but auto-procs, unresistable DMG and passive DPS massively introduced for other classes are OK...
+1 to this its really hard to stay alive as GWF in pvp/pve when everything does so much dmg now.
Sry but is not! If you play in green gear is normal to die often, that;s all! If you are having problems with the class use the GWF section and ask for direction/suggestions, i think is a more logical choice than to spam buff me pls (this is not only for you).
Glyphs DMG ignore all defenses
Piercing damage is so dumb i won't even discuss about it
Gwf determination got overnerfed
Warlocks, CW dumb DPS rework and HR piercing damage increased overall DPS a lot
There's a ton of passive and unmitigated DPS around right now. It's a DPS fest. May be the devs want pvp this way. I'd like a bit less DPS burst and a bit more strategy...
Weapon Master Strike needs marking ability and incrase in damage by like 30%.
Flourish needs faster animation or CC immunity on cast.
Bravery needs it old 15% deflect back.
Takedown needs it prone and dmg back.
Steel Blitz need higher % activation chance and 30% more damage.
Frontline Surge needs it dmg back.
GWF should get 2-3% dmg per STR point
Unstoppable gain from taking damage should be restored to its prevorious form.
Focused Destroyer feat now grants 20/40/60/80/100% chance to stack when hiting any number of targets and incrase buff duration by 1/2/3/4/5 seconds.
come on devs other classes recived massive buffs to damage and survaviblity while we re stuck with 2k base dmg on encounters unless we pick destroyer tree.
the sprint is not much of an issue thou GWF cant kill anything except DC so all we can do is run!
thanks to the ridiculous amount of nerfs we recived within m4 while other classes got buffed to an extent in terms of survaviblity and dmg
gwf ibs hits for 20k+
gwf is the absolute god mode class and will stay god mode even if you remove the way-over-the-top sprint. as it is now no other class has a chance against gwf. i know. i play one.
gwf needs overbuff, and cw / gf / sw overnerf. if this game has become a circus, it is unfair that, after so much demagoguery about "choose", the gwf be the clown.
gwf needs overbuff, and cw / gf / sw overnerf. if this game has become a circus, it is unfair that, after so much demagoguery about "choose", the gwf be the clown.
8 seconds???? How much recovery do you have! I have 2k and mine is still like 11 seconds I'm pretty sure. my TAKEDOWN is about 7 seconds though due to the feat of 50% quicker recharge. IBS base cooldown is 14s so to have 8 second cooldown you'd need like 40% + recharge speed increase on it.
In my opinion our real suffering at the moment is the buffs that other classes received whilst we were nerfed. I would like to see prone returned on Takedown (I dont mind if its not on FLS) Some of our nerfed damage returned on takedown, as its hard enough to land unless you get a full length stun anyway and the fixes to Red glyph either an ICD or a limit on the hits which isnt class related (there are some class related balance changes I'd want to other classes I wont name but they are very widely seen as needed already) I find that in the current state of red glyphs we benefit a lot less than other classes as we do not have any low cooldown skills that hit multiple times in a short period like other classes, so those classes that get 3-6k extra glyph damage from one skill, we dont get. also as we are a "tanky" class, it'd be nice if damage dealt to us respected our damage mitigation otherwise It makes me feel my defence stat is a waste other than the power it gives, and that I should just focus pure deflect. I'm pretty close to end game gear and pretty good in both PVE and PVP except against 2 classes which I cant seem to even touch.
If you're not a DC, you must be a really bad player to be complaining about gwfs now. They are in line. With other classes as They are now, sprint is what makes gwfs able to fight. Else, any CW would easily cc them to death, any HR would just boar charge them and safely place dots, any SW would just prone them and DPS them down, and so on... cc and DPS are high now and ranged classes would just cc and DPS too much for any gwf but the overgeared ones.
Want to nerf sprint? Give US back roar original rooting effect, prones and DPS. Else, just l2p your CW/TR/HR/GF.
Also, every class has imminity to cc and DPS on shift. But gwf getting cc immunity and dr while getting class mechanic hugely nerfed is godmode. Seriously, learn2play.
Sprint is fine, its the only tactic and strategy a gwf really has now, it's the main thing that they can use effectively to beat other classes. Why take that away from them ? It's annoying when a gwf is about to die and they run off in about a second sure but its far from "godmode".
Gwf need to sprint to cw to win, to stop them using cc. When fighting a gf, the only way a good gwf can win is by using sprint and not many gwf can do this, I maybe see about 10% using it right so it does take some skill. The class is fine now, no more nerfs.
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epclipseingmoonMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited September 2014
You know you don't have to spec sent to survive tones of mobs.
two words " Daring Shout " try it. Part of that power is broken because it dosent seem to give determination
but you can survive far easyer.
GWF is still a god mode class. Tested on both giving and receiving end. The new sprint is too much.
you want to remove sprint, right ? ore why you spam on forum for this,
its SIMPLY!
Before they Remove sprint:
- Increase the "DMG Overall" to Original before Module 4!
- Bring ALL PRONES back to Skills / Encounters
- Increase Unstoppable back to 50% Original
- Set the deflect % change to Original!
- Set Mark back to multiple targets
- Set Threatening Rush Back to Original before M4!
When all this are Coming back again, then: I WILL ACCEPT YOUR SUGGESTION ABOUT SPRINT.!!
..if u dont want it, stop QQ-
<::::::[]==0 GwF 0==[]::::::> ● Still waiting for the promised Improvement ●
Once you get the timings right, the unlimited CC can be deadly (and, indeed, "god mode"-like). Only few are able to pull it off though. There should be some kind of gap that allows skill from other classes to come into account.
I don't find playing GWF fun as it is now. Bring the prones back for more tactical variety.
Swordmaster destroyer feat Staying Power - target affected by Weapon Master Strike debuff take 25% more dmg from ur powers(all powers not only encounters)also incrases debuff duration by 2/4/6/8/10 seconds
Stell Blitz class feature- incrase % activation chance and dmg by 30%
those simple changes would make SM our trully dps path!
Swordmaster destroyer feat Staying Power - target affected by Weapon Master Strike debuff take 25% more dmg from ur powers(all powers not only encounters)also incrases debuff duration by 2/4/6/8/10 seconds
Stell Blitz class feature- incrase % activation chance and dmg by 30%
those simple changes would make SM our trully dps path!
tbh i get you i switched from IV to SM for the lulz but the difference between paths is insane IV is just far supperior to sm, would love to see some buffs to sm ur proposed buff to wms feat is better than the mark i asked for few pages back there.
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nezraalMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited October 2014
Dear crush,
For all the gwf in neverwinter this is world war 8! Our main opponents aren't sw/cw/tr/hr/gf or even the wierdos called dcs. It's the developers who believe gwf players have small brains/unskilled/whiny and you choose to ignore them. We know by now that you really don't need any other classes except cw. However, it doesn't mean you need to make gwf unplayable. My focus is on pvp.
I am at 18k gs and i am frustrated. Here is why:
1. Sprint gets interfered before it starts, sometimes you die before you can launch your first sprint.
2. Cw/hr/sw on same gs can melt gwf before gwfs sprint to target, tr/td, etc.
3. Ibs misses way too much. Dodge, stuns, short range, etc.
4. Td > ibs doesn't always execute, svs hr/cw it feels the stun duration is around 1 sec, and they can escape.
5. Gwf is the most vulnerable class, we are ahead of battle lines because of sprint and are punching bags
6. Sentinel lack damage, a 16k gs gf do more damage than a 18k sentinel gwf for same relative tanki.
7. Destroyer lack defense, most are playing hit & run.
8. Pvp is not a 1v1 situation, and 70% of the time 2 or more opponents are involved and again gwf is most exposed.
9. My only primary function in a pvp is to hit & run pugs who should play wow instead of neverwinter.
At the highest level 19k+ gs, other classes scale much higher for epic damage and lack of dr%. Although gwf might be *boring for you, since it's obvious no devs really play the class enough - try it out. These are solid arguments. I understand there will be no prone on gwf, but the class is broken. How do you want to fix it? Please don't give lame buffs for mod5 - we need solid visible changes for a viable balance.
pretty much current role in pvp as GWF is run as much as you can SO FUN!..
the main problem is they took our dmg/cc/survaviblity while giving massive buffs to other classes in those 3 terms at same time.
sm version (now you can see... my critical severity is not being properly considered for the bf)
i show this just because... you know. I'm warning before it's too late. will irritate the same (bad) players, which will disappoint gwf players in the future.
ps: 100% glass cannon, no capstone, only have this burst combination (2x intimidation). but... i dont know.
note:
[Combat (Self)] Your Intimidation deals 9399 (10622) Physical Damage to Huntmaster.
lvl 28 enemy... maybe something as wrong in the gwf damage in the practice
Seems like players do not understad totally the extend of this bug, so i decided to make a video test to show it "in game", let's see if people can understand it completly.
gwf encounters/sprint animation isn't good, they need to fix that..
and they need to look at unstopable,i am gettin strungle by cws when i am in unstopable.
Well, for the record. I do not think what I showed is exactly a bug. Sw are doing much more general damage than the gwf and the cw is able to clear enemies with the same speed (not the same damage).
If someone is broken, these are 2 But I'm a little shocked at the current possibilities of gwf (seems a m3 cw burst). Although, as happened with my full destroyer in tos, I believe my damage will be sucked by "dark forces".
is a good change in pve, but I do not know how this would be democratic with a destroyer: so many stacks to do the same dps of other classes... if destroyer is the single target tree, so... need made focused destroyer/destroyer porpose more flexible.
Well, for the record. I do not think what I showed is exactly a bug. Sw are doing much more general damage than the gwf and the cw is able to clear enemies with the same speed (not the same damage).
If someone is broken, these are 2 But I'm a little shocked at the current possibilities of gwf (seems a m3 cw burst). Although, as happened with my full destroyer in tos, I believe my damage will be sucked by "dark forces".
is a good change in pve, but I do not know how this would be democratic with a destroyer: so many stacks to do the same dps of other classes... if destroyer is the single target tree, so... need made focused destroyer/destroyer porpose more flexible.
well i hope we get the same thing as GF , double points in CON
to balance GWF
increase our Base damage by 20% , change destroyer purpose stacks 1 stack = 1%
decrease mark damage bonus to 15%
fix the encounters Come and get IT and Daring shout, make their animation better, and resolve that damage
because sometimes i hit 15k-30k crit, and sometimes i dont even hit...
how to fix it is a little easy...
i belive the way it's calculated it starts from that 50% out of max power.
so if you make those encounters more responsive, decrease that 50% to 30-35%.
but make those encounters more responsive. thats for sentinel paragon.
that way we will see less damage in a more responsive way.
-roar , doesnt interrupt enemies encounters at all.
Unstopable needs to be fixed, HR / CW / SW do alot of damage that bypass DEFENSE , not to mention we get controled while in Unstopable by others, for example CWs can freeze us, and HRs can stun us... i dont mind GF that they hit us with anvil of doom.
love a little instigator paragon ,transform it into a way to buff our teammates, like GF do with their Knight valor.
Allied oportunities : can be changed that mighty leap and not so fast increases our teammates damage by a certain number
same with everything. revamp it. make the instigator paragon a buff support/destroyer only damage/ sentinel defense/support.
In matter of Ability scores, we really need some love there. give us more INT for recharge or AOE , DOT resist.
fix all the damage in game that can't be blocked, because it's not balancing the game if you give every class a broken feat/encounter.
i've seen you guys done pvp on stream... while using AOW sets, seriously...
if you have guys who really test the pvp, advice them, that they really need to do a better job !!!!!!
-roar , doesnt interrupt enemies encounters at all.
Unstopable needs to be fixed, CW do alot of damage that bypass DEFENSE , not to mention we get controled while in Unstopable by others, for example CWs can freeze us, and HRs can stun us...
That's not true. Roar can still interrupt. What damage from CW bypasses defense?
You are most certainly completely CC-immune in Unstoppable.
HRs have no stuns, but and interrupt from Disruptive.
That's not true. Roar can still interrupt. What damage from CW bypasses defense?
You are most certainly completely CC-immune in Unstoppable.
HRs have no stuns, but and interrupt from Disruptive.
i was into a PVP , and was fighting a CW inna, he was controlling me when i was sprinting, and in unstopable, it was no question about delay or something like that.
so yeah , i am not immune to CC.
HRs have no stuns? u <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> kiding me?
that disruptive not only it blocks my encounters, i cannot even move, and i am in unstopable !!!!
ROAR doesnt interrupt anything, or maybe it does sometimes.
besides glyphs, there are spikes of damage that bypass through unstopable, even if i am sentinel !!!
not to say that SW burns us very fast with their pew pew laser beam, even if we are using unstopable,
do you play gwf to know all of this?
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nezraalMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited October 2014
1. The chances of actually stunning an opponent isn't very high. Added to that IBS animation + range means that a lot of times Stun > IBS fails. So in all honesty GWF do need a "prone".
2. The sprint working is great, but chances are in a group fight (70% of the time in pvp) and GWF will get stunned before they start sprinting. GWF are also ahead of the group and take a lot of damage.
3. IV > Destroyer currently most top tier GWF are just hit & run, while sentinel are just walking penguins and playing support role for dps. This is not even an off tank for a class that's the most vulnerable which takes damage without much damage reduction, dodge or stealth mechanism like TR. At best it does some hit, absorbs some damage and run for pots. The ones that fail miserable against GWF are pugs.
4. Roar - interrupts ? Have you asked why nobody uses roar in mod 4?
5. HR, CW, GF are top of the food chain. Good TRs can use perma stealth and camp a flag on point for a long duration. DC have incredible heal. GWF is the lowest in the food chain in both survival and damage. By this I mean a proper pvp premade not game with random pugs on both side of the coin.
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I agree considering the amount of crazy DPS we get now, nerfing unstoppable so much may be a little overboard.
Also, i agree that we were told gwf was not proactive and needed a change, and prones were removed cause it was bad to have something ignoring defense/deflection, but auto-procs, unresistable DMG and passive DPS massively introduced for other classes are OK...
Sry but is not! If you play in green gear is normal to die often, that;s all! If you are having problems with the class use the GWF section and ask for direction/suggestions, i think is a more logical choice than to spam buff me pls (this is not only for you).
Btw...it's a fact that
Glyphs DMG ignore all defenses
Piercing damage is so dumb i won't even discuss about it
Gwf determination got overnerfed
Warlocks, CW dumb DPS rework and HR piercing damage increased overall DPS a lot
There's a ton of passive and unmitigated DPS around right now. It's a DPS fest. May be the devs want pvp this way. I'd like a bit less DPS burst and a bit more strategy...
updated.
/10char.
gwf ibs hits for 20k+
gwf is the absolute god mode class and will stay god mode even if you remove the way-over-the-top sprint. as it is now no other class has a chance against gwf. i know. i play one.
gwf needs overbuff, and cw / gf / sw overnerf. if this game has become a circus, it is unfair that, after so much demagoguery about "choose", the gwf be the clown.
8 seconds???? How much recovery do you have! I have 2k and mine is still like 11 seconds I'm pretty sure. my TAKEDOWN is about 7 seconds though due to the feat of 50% quicker recharge. IBS base cooldown is 14s so to have 8 second cooldown you'd need like 40% + recharge speed increase on it.
In my opinion our real suffering at the moment is the buffs that other classes received whilst we were nerfed. I would like to see prone returned on Takedown (I dont mind if its not on FLS) Some of our nerfed damage returned on takedown, as its hard enough to land unless you get a full length stun anyway and the fixes to Red glyph either an ICD or a limit on the hits which isnt class related (there are some class related balance changes I'd want to other classes I wont name but they are very widely seen as needed already) I find that in the current state of red glyphs we benefit a lot less than other classes as we do not have any low cooldown skills that hit multiple times in a short period like other classes, so those classes that get 3-6k extra glyph damage from one skill, we dont get. also as we are a "tanky" class, it'd be nice if damage dealt to us respected our damage mitigation otherwise It makes me feel my defence stat is a waste other than the power it gives, and that I should just focus pure deflect. I'm pretty close to end game gear and pretty good in both PVE and PVP except against 2 classes which I cant seem to even touch.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
Want to nerf sprint? Give US back roar original rooting effect, prones and DPS. Else, just l2p your CW/TR/HR/GF.
Also, every class has imminity to cc and DPS on shift. But gwf getting cc immunity and dr while getting class mechanic hugely nerfed is godmode. Seriously, learn2play.
Sprint is fine, its the only tactic and strategy a gwf really has now, it's the main thing that they can use effectively to beat other classes. Why take that away from them ? It's annoying when a gwf is about to die and they run off in about a second sure but its far from "godmode".
Gwf need to sprint to cw to win, to stop them using cc. When fighting a gf, the only way a good gwf can win is by using sprint and not many gwf can do this, I maybe see about 10% using it right so it does take some skill. The class is fine now, no more nerfs.
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two words " Daring Shout " try it. Part of that power is broken because it dosent seem to give determination
but you can survive far easyer.
Princess Amber - DC
Shieldmaiden Amber - GF
Valkyrie Amber - GWF
Huntress Amber - HR
you want to remove sprint, right ? ore why you spam on forum for this,
its SIMPLY!
Before they Remove sprint:
- Increase the "DMG Overall" to Original before Module 4!
- Bring ALL PRONES back to Skills / Encounters
- Increase Unstoppable back to 50% Original
- Set the deflect % change to Original!
- Set Mark back to multiple targets
- Set Threatening Rush Back to Original before M4!
When all this are Coming back again, then: I WILL ACCEPT YOUR SUGGESTION ABOUT SPRINT.!!
..if u dont want it, stop QQ-
I don't find playing GWF fun as it is now. Bring the prones back for more tactical variety.
Stell Blitz class feature- incrase % activation chance and dmg by 30%
those simple changes would make SM our trully dps path!
tbh i get you i switched from IV to SM for the lulz but the difference between paths is insane IV is just far supperior to sm, would love to see some buffs to sm ur proposed buff to wms feat is better than the mark i asked for few pages back there.
For all the gwf in neverwinter this is world war 8! Our main opponents aren't sw/cw/tr/hr/gf or even the wierdos called dcs. It's the developers who believe gwf players have small brains/unskilled/whiny and you choose to ignore them. We know by now that you really don't need any other classes except cw. However, it doesn't mean you need to make gwf unplayable. My focus is on pvp.
I am at 18k gs and i am frustrated. Here is why:
1. Sprint gets interfered before it starts, sometimes you die before you can launch your first sprint.
2. Cw/hr/sw on same gs can melt gwf before gwfs sprint to target, tr/td, etc.
3. Ibs misses way too much. Dodge, stuns, short range, etc.
4. Td > ibs doesn't always execute, svs hr/cw it feels the stun duration is around 1 sec, and they can escape.
5. Gwf is the most vulnerable class, we are ahead of battle lines because of sprint and are punching bags
6. Sentinel lack damage, a 16k gs gf do more damage than a 18k sentinel gwf for same relative tanki.
7. Destroyer lack defense, most are playing hit & run.
8. Pvp is not a 1v1 situation, and 70% of the time 2 or more opponents are involved and again gwf is most exposed.
9. My only primary function in a pvp is to hit & run pugs who should play wow instead of neverwinter.
At the highest level 19k+ gs, other classes scale much higher for epic damage and lack of dr%. Although gwf might be *boring for you, since it's obvious no devs really play the class enough - try it out. These are solid arguments. I understand there will be no prone on gwf, but the class is broken. How do you want to fix it? Please don't give lame buffs for mod5 - we need solid visible changes for a viable balance.
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the main problem is they took our dmg/cc/survaviblity while giving massive buffs to other classes in those 3 terms at same time.
sm version (now you can see... my critical severity is not being properly considered for the bf)
i show this just because... you know. I'm warning before it's too late. will irritate the same (bad) players, which will disappoint gwf players in the future.
ps: 100% glass cannon, no capstone, only have this burst combination (2x intimidation). but... i dont know.
note:
[Combat (Self)] Your Intimidation deals 9399 (10622) Physical Damage to Huntmaster.
lvl 28 enemy... maybe something as wrong in the gwf damage in the practice
gwf encounters/sprint animation isn't good, they need to fix that..
and they need to look at unstopable,i am gettin strungle by cws when i am in unstopable.
If someone is broken, these are 2 But I'm a little shocked at the current possibilities of gwf (seems a m3 cw burst). Although, as happened with my full destroyer in tos, I believe my damage will be sucked by "dark forces".
is a good change in pve, but I do not know how this would be democratic with a destroyer: so many stacks to do the same dps of other classes... if destroyer is the single target tree, so... need made focused destroyer/destroyer porpose more flexible.
well i hope we get the same thing as GF , double points in CON
i not talking about a "easymode" rotations or some <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> like that, but... more than 3094869486 stack system.
but yes, i love the idea to give 2 points on str. greed need a better - and no mitigated by aoe - base damage.
increase our Base damage by 20% , change destroyer purpose stacks 1 stack = 1%
decrease mark damage bonus to 15%
fix the encounters Come and get IT and Daring shout, make their animation better, and resolve that damage
because sometimes i hit 15k-30k crit, and sometimes i dont even hit...
how to fix it is a little easy...
i belive the way it's calculated it starts from that 50% out of max power.
so if you make those encounters more responsive, decrease that 50% to 30-35%.
but make those encounters more responsive. thats for sentinel paragon.
that way we will see less damage in a more responsive way.
-roar , doesnt interrupt enemies encounters at all.
Unstopable needs to be fixed, HR / CW / SW do alot of damage that bypass DEFENSE , not to mention we get controled while in Unstopable by others, for example CWs can freeze us, and HRs can stun us... i dont mind GF that they hit us with anvil of doom.
love a little instigator paragon ,transform it into a way to buff our teammates, like GF do with their Knight valor.
Allied oportunities : can be changed that mighty leap and not so fast increases our teammates damage by a certain number
same with everything. revamp it. make the instigator paragon a buff support/destroyer only damage/ sentinel defense/support.
In matter of Ability scores, we really need some love there. give us more INT for recharge or AOE , DOT resist.
fix all the damage in game that can't be blocked, because it's not balancing the game if you give every class a broken feat/encounter.
i've seen you guys done pvp on stream... while using AOW sets, seriously...
if you have guys who really test the pvp, advice them, that they really need to do a better job !!!!!!
That's not true. Roar can still interrupt. What damage from CW bypasses defense?
You are most certainly completely CC-immune in Unstoppable.
HRs have no stuns, but and interrupt from Disruptive.
i was into a PVP , and was fighting a CW inna, he was controlling me when i was sprinting, and in unstopable, it was no question about delay or something like that.
so yeah , i am not immune to CC.
HRs have no stuns? u <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> kiding me?
that disruptive not only it blocks my encounters, i cannot even move, and i am in unstopable !!!!
ROAR doesnt interrupt anything, or maybe it does sometimes.
besides glyphs, there are spikes of damage that bypass through unstopable, even if i am sentinel !!!
not to say that SW burns us very fast with their pew pew laser beam, even if we are using unstopable,
do you play gwf to know all of this?
2. The sprint working is great, but chances are in a group fight (70% of the time in pvp) and GWF will get stunned before they start sprinting. GWF are also ahead of the group and take a lot of damage.
3. IV > Destroyer currently most top tier GWF are just hit & run, while sentinel are just walking penguins and playing support role for dps. This is not even an off tank for a class that's the most vulnerable which takes damage without much damage reduction, dodge or stealth mechanism like TR. At best it does some hit, absorbs some damage and run for pots. The ones that fail miserable against GWF are pugs.
4. Roar - interrupts ? Have you asked why nobody uses roar in mod 4?
5. HR, CW, GF are top of the food chain. Good TRs can use perma stealth and camp a flag on point for a long duration. DC have incredible heal. GWF is the lowest in the food chain in both survival and damage. By this I mean a proper pvp premade not game with random pugs on both side of the coin.
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