I believe that with this update in looting, Needing will finally be needing for a majority of people. Needing will not be needing to sell. Which is good for people who are actually looking for gear to wear.
I really doubt people will stop needing their class gear after they are already geared up. 100% chance of getting an item worth 2-3M vs 20% chance? Tough call.
Its just an example. Not meant to get nitpicked for accuracy. You didnt answer the question though. How would that make you feel? Even if it wasnt weeks but even just say farming for a week running delves constaly or what not only to have the only item your trying to get taken from you by someone thats going to just sell it?
My answer was already given and remains the same. I wouldn't be upset, because I know I could recoup some other way.
But the farming thing raises an interesting (though tangential) question. Are you farming for the fun of it, or are you farming to get that one shiny? And as a follow-up question, what do you do once you get that shiny?
My answer was already given and remains the same. I wouldn't be upset, because I know I could recoup some other way.
But the farming thing raises an interesting (though tangential) question. Are you farming for the fun of it, or are you farming to get that one shiny? And as a follow-up question, what do you do once you get that shiny?
The example is pretty obvious that the person is farming for a specific item that he NEEDS not for the hell of it to sell or whatnot. so to answer your question, it would be to equip the item.
EDIT: Also, you are probably among a 1% of population that would not be upset in this situation and i appluad you for that.
The example is pretty obvious that the person is farming for a specific item that he NEEDS not for the hell of it to sell or whatnot. so to answer your question, it would be to equip the item.
Now what happens if he get it again ? I know what I would do.
Now what happens if he get it again ? I know what I would do.
Thats a completely diffenent scnerio though, and comes with more questions then just "what would you do?" Is there someone else in the group that NEEDS it? If that answer is yes then pass, if its a no then greed with everyone else. Very easy concept.
EDIT: Also, if you would auto need it regardless then you are part of this problem they speak of.
Thats a completely diffenent scnerio though, and comes with more questions then just "what would you do?" Is there someone else in the group that NEEDS it? If that answer is yes then pass, if its a no then greed with everyone else. Very easy concept.
Why should I greed when I can Need it and get it 100% with the new system coming .
Why should I greed when I can Need it and get it 100% with the new system coming .
If your needing it over people simply because you can then you are an ignorant person, especially if your needing over guildies or something like that.
If your needing it over people simply because you can then you are an ignorant person, especially if your needing over guildies or something like that.
I would give it up to my guild mates if they need it. If not then it going up for sell to make me some money.
I really doubt people will stop needing their class gear after they are already geared up. 100% chance of getting an item worth 2-3M vs 20% chance? Tough call.
yep, people will still NEED the item even though perhaps their current equipment is at the finest is because of AD selling. regardless, I thank you for loot update, still I prefer random personal loot though
The example is pretty obvious that the person is farming for a specific item that he NEEDS not for the hell of it to sell or whatnot. so to answer your question, it would be to equip the item.
He "NEEDS" it for what? To farm the next shiny?
This is the thing - nobody needs anything in a video game. I know this risks getting off topic, but I find it a little amusing and a little alarming that people invest as much of themselves as they do into having or obtaining virtual items, for no apparent purpose other than to obtain the next tier of virtual items.
I'll grant that I've gotten caught up in that myself, but once I realize I have, I immediately realize how pointless it is, and therefore how un-fun the game has suddenly become. To bring this back into the scope of the discussion, I think this is one of the issues at the root of all these ninja loot complaints - people invest so much into gearing up, and get so focused on how they're "supposed" to gear up, that they miss, dismiss, or spurn alternative routes (and even the people who suggest them).
But what's done is done. I'll just wait for the next round of ninja complaints, the predecessors of which we're already seeing in this thread...
This is basically just whining that you can't ninja loot and sell stuff you needed on but actually didn't need on the AH. It's because of people like you these changes were implemented. So thanks!
What a greedy GF you are...you sir are a disgrace ! and you know what ? FU ! You can buy your weapon for 500k and you dare complain ? WHY SHOULD YOU GET 5 MILLIONS WHEN WHAT YOU NEED IS DIRT CHEAP?
This is the thing - nobody needs anything in a video game. I know this risks getting off topic, but I find it a little amusing and a little alarming that people invest as much of themselves as they do into having or obtaining virtual items, for no apparent purpose other than to obtain the next tier of virtual items.
I'll grant that I've gotten caught up in that myself, but once I realize I have, I immediately realize how pointless it is, and therefore how un-fun the game has suddenly become. To bring this back into the scope of the discussion, I think this is one of the issues at the root of all these ninja loot complaints - people invest so much into gearing up, and get so focused on how they're "supposed" to gear up, that they miss, dismiss, or spurn alternative routes (and even the people who suggest them).
But what's done is done. I'll just wait for the next round of ninja complaints, the predecessors of which we're already seeing in this thread...
Welcome to the world and communities of all serious MMO players. Judging from your comment im guessing your fairly new to MMOs? You know back in old Everquest days you could farm once specific item for months and never see it drop? These are time sinks in all MMOs. Getting the best stuff takes time. it doesnt just happen. If your at all serious about playing an MMO this is the mindset you need to have, anything less is considered casual. Which doesnt make a diff to me either way. Like you said its a video game and supposed to be entertaining so play however you wish, i make no judgments there.
So your saying that you should be able to roll against someone who actually needs a drop because you can sell it on the AH and buy a piece of gear that YOU need? Thats entitlement sur. The *** backwards logic in that is astounding. Why should the person that helped down the boss that dropped something he needs get shafted because you wanna sell it and buy a piece of gear of your own. Thats completely ridiculous.
I'm a "ma'am", not a "sur", thank you.
The entire argument you all supporting this allocation system offer boils down to it's that way because you want it to be that way. None of those supporting this position have presented one whit of an argument for why your position is ethically or morally superior other than "We say so!". I'm also astounded in turn by the backwardness of your argument; which is at best arbitrary and capricious. "someone who actually needs a drop" Really? You simply cannot know this just from their class and the item's tag. Prove it. I dare you. Offer me logic. Offer me examples for why this always places the item into the hands of one who has a superior claim to the item beyond the happenstance of the tag on item. Prove to me that one person's ability to equip this one item is hands down morally superior to another's ability to equip a different item they trade this one for.
Further, I reject the entire roll-for-loot system. Prove to me it's a fair outcome for one person out of five to get the lion's share of the reward from a dungeon run they all worked hard for, just because that one super valuable item dropped with their class-name tagged on it, or even that they won it in a roll.
I would greatly prefer that everyone received their own individual loot, and nothing actually valuable was ever rolled for.
The entire argument you all supporting this allocation system boils down to it's that way because you want it to be that way. None of those supporting this position have presented one whit of an argument for why your position is ethically or morally superior other than "We say so!". I'm also astounded in turn by the backwardness of your argument; which is at best arbitrary and capricious. "someone who actually needs a drop" Really? You simply cannot know this just from their class and the item's tag. Prove it. I dare you. Offer me logic. Offer me examples for why this always places the item into the hands of one who has a superior claim to the item beyond the happenstance of the tag on item. Prove to me that one person's ability to equip this one item is hands down morally superior to another's ability to equip a different item they trade this one for.
Further, I reject the entire roll-for-loot system. Prove to me it's a fair outcome for one person out of five to get the lion's share of the reward from a dungeon run they all worked hard for, just because that one super valuable item dropped with their class-name tagged on it, or even that they won it in a roll.
I would greatly prefer that everyone received their own individual loot, and nothing actually valuable was ever rolled for.
you SIR are an ignorant self entitled little brat for your "All your lewt is belong to me" mentality. Prove to you that someone needs something more then someone else? Thats simple. Is it an upgrade for that person that can need? Yes? BAM proven. end of story. you do NOT need the AD for selling said item more then the person that needs the actual item. **** you and your self centered thinking.
Edit: Prove to me that you NEED that AD from selling that item.
Edit Edit: I do agree on the individual loot system though.
I loled....This is an MMO, on my login screen it says...Abandon morals and ethics all ye who enter here, welcome to the world of amplified human selfishness.
lol, i dont remember using the word morally in any of my posts..i think i might have written the word and erased it thinking"yeah morals in a mmo" heh. Possibly from my dbl post that i edited out since it wasnt meant to go through lol.
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bastadMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 20Arc User
edited June 2013
I just don't see why anyone would ever roll need on something they can't use. The problem with the OP and his types, is they always think they are getting screwed over somehow. Applies to everything including life. They will never believe someone who rolls need would ever equip it because they would never equip it themselves. They would rather sell everything so they believe they have as much right as anyone in the group to roll need on everything because gosh darn it they helped down the mob.
Here is why I hate the loot changes.
Here is an example of why this blows and is a stupid idea.
Ancient weapon drop values from Castle Never:
DC drop value 3 million AD
CW drop value 2.5 million AD
GWF drop value 1.25 million AD
GF drop value .5 million AD
TR drop 2.75 million AD
So thanks a lot devs.....as a GF I now have no chance at a valuable item while rogues, clerics, and wizards get their valuable stuff with no competition. What a slap in the face.
We have an auction hall for a reason. This new system will just keep the already under utilized fighters even more broke. Now the clerics can GUARANTEE a 3 million AD item and I don't even get a shot at it. They don't need these items.....they just sell them on the auction hall just like I do.
I make a habit of inspecting my teammates gear in dungeons and 99% of the time they already have better gear equipped then what they are 'needing'.
What it's really about is the astral diamonds....and i'm pretty sure EVERYONE needs those.
Well if the cleric you run with already has it and rolls need, find a better cleric. He's a greedy piece of **** just like all the folks that rolled need on everything. Don't blame the game, blame the player.
I hate PW as much as the next guy, but this was needed.
I hope this is true... And my fears are unfounded.
But currently these loot changes screw over the fighters pretty bad.
It feels like the rich get richer and poor classes stay poor.
I for one will be rolling up a cleric tonight so i'm not left in poverty.
Basic economics. What the poster said about the AH balancing is true.
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warfluxMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
If they truly implement needing based off your class then that is just a great example of neverwinter listening to idiotic suggestions from the community.
People I've seen complaining in dungeons about this need on things they don't actually need. They are just going to sell it. They stand behind this excuse that their class can wear it.
Are you seriously going to tell me that 99% of what is needed, even if it is class restricted, won't just be immediately sold in the AH? If you are you are completely delusional.
Sooooo because you need money that means you should be able to roll need on say an ancient dagger over the TR in your group that actually needs it? Entitlement much?
If they truly implement needing based off your class then that is just a great example of neverwinter listening to idiotic suggestions from the community.
People I've seen complaining in dungeons about this need on things they don't actually need. They are just going to sell it. They stand behind this excuse that their class can wear it.
Are you seriously going to tell me that 99% of what is needed, even if it is class restricted, won't just be immediately sold in the AH? If you are you are completely delusional.
So you assume to know everyone that goes into Castle Never is already wearing full ancient and you just want to be greedy and roll need on everything ?
you SIR are an ignorant self entitled little brat for your "All your lewt is belong to me" mentality. Prove to you that someone needs something more then someone else? Thats simple. Is it an upgrade for that person that can need? Yes? BAM proven. end of story. you do NOT need the AD for selling said item more then the person that needs the actual item. **** you and your self centered thinking.
Edit: Prove to me that you NEED that AD from selling that item.
First, I don't find your ad-hominem attack to be very convincing. Getting angry and raging at me because I won't just give in to your claims is not doing your position any favors.
Second, I have offered solid arguments in my various posts on this subject, in this thread and others, for why I believe my position is not only reasonable, but just and fair as well. At this point, I squarely place the burden of proof on the other side.
Edit Edit: I do agree on the individual loot system though.
I'm glad we can agree on something. It's unfortunate the Dev's didn't see the merit in the individual loot concept, and opted to just patch the existing system. Oh well, we'll live with it, and as I've said before, at least with the need button greyed out for out-of-class rollers, the in-game bickering over loot will be reduced.
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tang56Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
The obvious solution, that has been repeated many times over is that a need roll should also bind the item to the player.
Here is why I hate the loot changes.
Here is an example of why this blows and is a stupid idea.
Ancient weapon drop values from Castle Never:
DC drop value 3 million AD
CW drop value 2.5 million AD
GWF drop value 1.25 million AD
GF drop value .5 million AD
TR drop 2.75 million AD
So thanks a lot devs.....as a GF I now have no chance at a valuable item while rogues, clerics, and wizards get their valuable stuff with no competition. What a slap in the face.
We have an auction hall for a reason. This new system will just keep the already under utilized fighters even more broke. Now the clerics can GUARANTEE a 3 million AD item and I don't even get a shot at it. They don't need these items.....they just sell them on the auction hall just like I do.
I make a habit of inspecting my teammates gear in dungeons and 99% of the time they already have better gear equipped then what they are 'needing'.
What it's really about is the astral diamonds....and i'm pretty sure EVERYONE needs those.
So you *need* the DC weapon so you can sell it to get a profit when you buy your own for less while preventing the cleric from being able to get their item, so you also have the cleric on the next run? CLEVER IDEA! We would not want the clerics to earn their gear, they might not want to do the instance again!
Its more simple than this. If the cleric currently has mr item equipped, anyone can roll on it to sell. If not, cleric gets the item, and next run, anyone can roll on the item to sell. How hard is that? Inspect the players before the boss. Figure out ahead of the fight which drops are needed and which are to sell. Roll accordingly.
For the above reason, limitations that only the class that can use an item can roll are poorish and I do not care for that "solution".
So you *need* the DC weapon so you can sell it to get a profit when you buy your own for less while preventing the cleric from being able to get their item, so you also have the cleric on the next run? CLEVER IDEA! We would not want the clerics to earn their gear, they might not want to do the instance again!
Its more simple than this. If the cleric currently has mr item equipped, anyone can roll on it to sell. If not, cleric gets the item, and next run, anyone can roll on the item to sell. How hard is that? Inspect the players before the boss. Figure out ahead of the fight which drops are needed and which are to sell. Roll accordingly.
For the above reason, limitations that only the class that can use an item can roll are poorish and I do not care for that "solution".
Judging by the immaturity of Neverwinter's population and the constant exploiting and lack of following any rules that are not hard coded...
I expect your reasoning to be followed..... never.
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I really doubt people will stop needing their class gear after they are already geared up. 100% chance of getting an item worth 2-3M vs 20% chance? Tough call.
But the farming thing raises an interesting (though tangential) question. Are you farming for the fun of it, or are you farming to get that one shiny? And as a follow-up question, what do you do once you get that shiny?
The gorilla formerly known as Kolikos
The example is pretty obvious that the person is farming for a specific item that he NEEDS not for the hell of it to sell or whatnot. so to answer your question, it would be to equip the item.
EDIT: Also, you are probably among a 1% of population that would not be upset in this situation and i appluad you for that.
I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
Thats a completely diffenent scnerio though, and comes with more questions then just "what would you do?" Is there someone else in the group that NEEDS it? If that answer is yes then pass, if its a no then greed with everyone else. Very easy concept.
EDIT: Also, if you would auto need it regardless then you are part of this problem they speak of.
I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
If your needing it over people simply because you can then you are an ignorant person, especially if your needing over guildies or something like that.
I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
yep, people will still NEED the item even though perhaps their current equipment is at the finest is because of AD selling. regardless, I thank you for loot update, still I prefer random personal loot though
This is the thing - nobody needs anything in a video game. I know this risks getting off topic, but I find it a little amusing and a little alarming that people invest as much of themselves as they do into having or obtaining virtual items, for no apparent purpose other than to obtain the next tier of virtual items.
I'll grant that I've gotten caught up in that myself, but once I realize I have, I immediately realize how pointless it is, and therefore how un-fun the game has suddenly become. To bring this back into the scope of the discussion, I think this is one of the issues at the root of all these ninja loot complaints - people invest so much into gearing up, and get so focused on how they're "supposed" to gear up, that they miss, dismiss, or spurn alternative routes (and even the people who suggest them).
But what's done is done. I'll just wait for the next round of ninja complaints, the predecessors of which we're already seeing in this thread...
The gorilla formerly known as Kolikos
Welcome to the world and communities of all serious MMO players. Judging from your comment im guessing your fairly new to MMOs? You know back in old Everquest days you could farm once specific item for months and never see it drop? These are time sinks in all MMOs. Getting the best stuff takes time. it doesnt just happen. If your at all serious about playing an MMO this is the mindset you need to have, anything less is considered casual. Which doesnt make a diff to me either way. Like you said its a video game and supposed to be entertaining so play however you wish, i make no judgments there.
I'm a "ma'am", not a "sur", thank you.
The entire argument you all supporting this allocation system offer boils down to it's that way because you want it to be that way. None of those supporting this position have presented one whit of an argument for why your position is ethically or morally superior other than "We say so!". I'm also astounded in turn by the backwardness of your argument; which is at best arbitrary and capricious. "someone who actually needs a drop" Really? You simply cannot know this just from their class and the item's tag. Prove it. I dare you. Offer me logic. Offer me examples for why this always places the item into the hands of one who has a superior claim to the item beyond the happenstance of the tag on item. Prove to me that one person's ability to equip this one item is hands down morally superior to another's ability to equip a different item they trade this one for.
Further, I reject the entire roll-for-loot system. Prove to me it's a fair outcome for one person out of five to get the lion's share of the reward from a dungeon run they all worked hard for, just because that one super valuable item dropped with their class-name tagged on it, or even that they won it in a roll.
I would greatly prefer that everyone received their own individual loot, and nothing actually valuable was ever rolled for.
you SIR are an ignorant self entitled little brat for your "All your lewt is belong to me" mentality. Prove to you that someone needs something more then someone else? Thats simple. Is it an upgrade for that person that can need? Yes? BAM proven. end of story. you do NOT need the AD for selling said item more then the person that needs the actual item. **** you and your self centered thinking.
Edit: Prove to me that you NEED that AD from selling that item.
Edit Edit: I do agree on the individual loot system though.
I loled....This is an MMO, on my login screen it says...Abandon morals and ethics all ye who enter here, welcome to the world of amplified human selfishness.
Well if the cleric you run with already has it and rolls need, find a better cleric. He's a greedy piece of **** just like all the folks that rolled need on everything. Don't blame the game, blame the player.
I hate PW as much as the next guy, but this was needed.
Basic economics. What the poster said about the AH balancing is true.
People I've seen complaining in dungeons about this need on things they don't actually need. They are just going to sell it. They stand behind this excuse that their class can wear it.
Are you seriously going to tell me that 99% of what is needed, even if it is class restricted, won't just be immediately sold in the AH? If you are you are completely delusional.
^ he wins...
So you assume to know everyone that goes into Castle Never is already wearing full ancient and you just want to be greedy and roll need on everything ?
Your tears taste like whine...( pun intended )
First, I don't find your ad-hominem attack to be very convincing. Getting angry and raging at me because I won't just give in to your claims is not doing your position any favors.
Second, I have offered solid arguments in my various posts on this subject, in this thread and others, for why I believe my position is not only reasonable, but just and fair as well. At this point, I squarely place the burden of proof on the other side.
I'm glad we can agree on something.
So you *need* the DC weapon so you can sell it to get a profit when you buy your own for less while preventing the cleric from being able to get their item, so you also have the cleric on the next run? CLEVER IDEA! We would not want the clerics to earn their gear, they might not want to do the instance again!
Its more simple than this. If the cleric currently has mr item equipped, anyone can roll on it to sell. If not, cleric gets the item, and next run, anyone can roll on the item to sell. How hard is that? Inspect the players before the boss. Figure out ahead of the fight which drops are needed and which are to sell. Roll accordingly.
For the above reason, limitations that only the class that can use an item can roll are poorish and I do not care for that "solution".
Or just make all epics BoP i would be ok with that as well.
Edit: Make that all Epic loot from Bosses. Random drops and seal bought should still be BoE.
Judging by the immaturity of Neverwinter's population and the constant exploiting and lack of following any rules that are not hard coded...
I expect your reasoning to be followed..... never.
Until you realize your own hypocrisy that when you sell an item you don't need the item at all.