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2 STO devs are listed in the credits for Picard Season 2
thegrandnagus1
Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
1st image, bottom 2 names:
What do you think this means is coming to STO? Or is already in STO that is going to be in the new season of Picard?
What do you think this means is coming to STO? Or is already in STO that is going to be in the new season of Picard?
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That’s actually really smart for Picard too though. CBS was already outsourcing ship design. And Cryptic said the Emerald chain ship model was made using the same standards (file types, textures) as STO uses. You need a bunch of alternate Fed ships for Q timelines, and there are people who have a bunch of compatible models for cheap or free— that is a win, win.
Still yes, that was very nice to see. I found at the end of Season 1, them having a fleet of just one type of ship exclusively behind Riker a bit odd. So yes very great honor indeed, and possibly also expand some STO ships to Canon!
Very nice indeed!
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/t39ra4/iss_hecate_terran_cygnus_battlecruiser/
Also its a pretty cool sounding name, but I'd probably use it more for a science ship than a cruiser.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate
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I watched an analysis video on youtube, and the ships with Riker weren't all the same. They were similar in convention to the Odyssey line of ships. Similar build, with minute differences, but in different flavours of specialty.
The scope of what Thomas Marrone and Hector Ortiz (Thomas Marrone wrote ship specs and discriptions for Eaglemoss ship models, for example) might be doing could be anything from consulting to lending a hand in ship design to working on cross-pollination of assets. After all, STO is very close to the time period to Star Trek: Picard.
I wonder if the U.S.S. Veritas from the Picard countdown comics is going to make an onscreen appearance?
Or they were brought as "consultants", got told "thank you so much for your feedback" and then CBS tossed all this feedback into the bin, since they're listed solely as "Cryptic Studios" and not really a specific position.
*cynical mode off*
But it's still good they were brought in the production in any way and got credited properly.
Dude 1: we don't have time to design multiple ships, just copy/paste the same one.
Dude 2: but won't people say we're being lazy?
Dude 1: ok just change some extremely minor thing so there are a few variants.
Dude 2: but they're still so similar they all basically look the same.
Dude 1: yeah, but now some guy on the internet can defend us by pointing out some tiny little difference.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
You do realize it was a result of ALL production being shutdown because of the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, and once they were able to get post production going again (after setting up ways to do SFX production remotely from their homes) - they had a very short time to complete the post production needed, right?
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I think there are more or less 3 main variants scattered among the ships. The Zheng He, the Maui and one other. With the biggest difference being the nacelles.
If you look at the brief teaser we’ve seen of the Stargazer from Picard S2, the main hull looks an awful lot like that of the Legendary Verity. Or some blend of the Verity and Yorktown. I mean there are some very clear and unique STO design cues. Enough to make me suspect Thomas and Hector may have had a hand in some design work. If the external shots of the Stargazer, which only show a bit of the forward saucer from the bridge forward, match up with the interior scenes that we have seen, the LCARS in the background would imply it is a 4 nacelle starship not unlike a newer larger Constellation. The Saucer seems a bit rounder than a Yorktown or Odyssey. More in line with the Verity or Soujorner.
I have a feeling we may be looking at a Legendary Stargazer bundle in the not too distant future.
Star Trek Picard came out three months before Covid19 started shutting down Hollywood, the first season was completely finished with production well before Covid had any effect. The rubber-stamp fleet was nothing but corner-cutting that Kurtzman probably did not think the viewers would notice.
I cannot really blame them for trying to cut costs, but they could have avoided the problem in a more traditional Trek way by cutting the number of ships and only showing a small squadron of maybe half a dozen or less (like a flagship and her escorts) on each side rather than going for the "so many they darken the sky" cliche they went with.
I really like the idea of shared a universe between TV and games (like Defiance, though the cooperation was so incredibly bad they might as well not bothered), but the NuTreks are so far off the beam of the traditional ones the game is based on that I have doubts about how well something like that would work here without the show going to the all-encompassing parallel/quantum timelines like the way the game does, (and in the process quit trying to write TOS out of existence the way they seem to want to do).
In looking back, yep - the post production was done before the shutdowns hit. I stand corrected.
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Maybe I'm just mis-remembering my Trek, but it seems more appropriate for Roms than Feds, IMO. Like, in TNG whenever the Roms showed up it was always Warbirds; no real variety. On the other hand, almost every Fed fleet had a variety of different types of ships in it.
But even setting in-universe explanations aside, the Feds are the heroes in the story and fans are just paying closer attention to their stuff IMO.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I'd be more inclined to think we're just getting a T6 Constellation in the same way we got the T6 Luna after the USS Titan appeared in the s1 finale of Lower Decks. New ship on TV doesn't mean instant Legendary.
Funny thing is, legendary means nothing anymore. See TOS "legendary miranda". Um...what? Yeah, that was never "legendary", they just wanted to sell it for that price.
So if they want to sell a T6 Constellation for a legendary price, they definitely will regardless of it making no sense.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
As an iconic villain ship from TWoK I personally think the Miranda was plenty prominent enough to qualify for a Legendary. The criteria the devs have given are:
1) Hero ship or a ship that "carried" an episode/movie
2) Has at least two existing in-game variants before the Legendary is released so that cosmetics, consoles, and traits can be bundled
The Miranda is not an "iconic villain ship". It was the ship an iconic villain captured. Those are not the same thing. Kind of like how Khan and his crew temporarily captured the Enterprise in TOS, but that did not make the Enterprise a "villain ship". But semantics aside,
In that case the Constellation certainly qualifies. It was the center of an entire episode already(not to mention whatever happens in Picard), and has all the in game variants. So yeah, why is anyone arguing against that again?
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I wasn't arguing against the Constellation, I was arguing against your opinion that the Miranda shouldn't qualify
Eligible Now
Prometheus
Nova
Negh'Var
Jem'Hadar Attack Ship
Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier
Potentially Eligible if Non-Faction Ships are allowed
Galor
D'Kora
Need More In-game Variants First
Constellation
Olympic (maybe eligible now if Thomas could get the Daedalus and Nautilus parts to work with it)
Luna (maybe eligible now depending on if free and fleet variants count for the "at least 2" rule)
La Sirena
Kwejian Pilot Frigate (Book's ship)
Vengeance
Einstein (USS Kelvin)
Jellyfish
Freedom (USS Franklin)
Disco D7
Jem'Hadar Light Battlecruiser
Debatable
Inquiry (Riker's hero ship in Picard, but only appears in one scene)
Mogai (two helped the Enterprise fight the Scimitar and it's the last canon Romulan design, but it isn't very prominent)
If you see a Miranda-class in an episode, it's almost guaranteed it's gonna get destroyed or crippled. Not even The Sisko or Khan could save one while being onboard, and in the latter case where it did cripple the Enterprise, it was due to Kirk's stupidity and a surprise attack. And even then, whenever it managed to hit the Connie Queen, it got struck back harder.
Heck, even when it's not technically destroyed, it causes troubles, like in Cause and Effect.
Good news! A T6 is not part of the requirements per your earlier post:
See, no mention of a T6, so that's great.
And I know you are not one of those incredibly lame people that move the goalposts, so your original requirements are met
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
They aren't MY requirements, they are the devs. Sure, the Constellation technically has enough variants to meet Bort's "at least two" requirement now with the free version, the low level variant that was moved from the C-Store to the ship vendor, the T5 Mirror version, and the T5 Fleet version, but no ship has received a Legendary without a pre-existing T6 yet so I assume they will wait until after that happens. It could happen, but I doubt it.