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thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
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What do you think this means is coming to STO? Or is already in STO that is going to be in the new season of Picard?

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  • nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    it makes sense for CBS if their intent is to cross pollinate the shows with STO. other threads talk about episodes airing then adapting into the game, but with the lead time necessary to integrate, Game staff would have to be in the know during the show development. I suspect 4-5 people @ Cryptic know about whats going down with each program early into the production process.. of course they all signed NDAs so they really can't even hint they know...
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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    Ok, so we can kinda confirm that at least maybe one STO ship could be in hte background shots or something??, that must be the "biggest thing" that they are announcing..
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  • qultuqqultuq Member Posts: 989 Arc User
    edited February 2022
    Congrats Thomas and Hector; you are living your dreams.

    That’s actually really smart for Picard too though. CBS was already outsourcing ship design. And Cryptic said the Emerald chain ship model was made using the same standards (file types, textures) as STO uses. You need a bunch of alternate Fed ships for Q timelines, and there are people who have a bunch of compatible models for cheap or free— that is a win, win.
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  • faelon#8433 faelon Member Posts: 358 Arc User
    Didn't Thomas comment that he recently got to do something that he never in his life would have imagined he would get to do? I'm thinking they got to design an on screen ship. Probably the Stargazer. The brief glimpse from that teaser that's out shows a section of hull that has an awful lot in common with an STO Odyssey or Yorktown class.
  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 5,941 Arc User
    Wow! Congrats to Thomas Marrone and Hector Ortiz from Cryptic Studios! What an honor to represent Star Trek Online in Star Trek: Picard Season 2.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,666 Bug Hunter
    It will be interesting to see what Ships we might possibly see in Picard Season 2 Premier, or possibly thru the Season.
    sthe91 wrote: »
    Wow! Congrats to Thomas Marrone and Hector Ortiz from Cryptic Studios! What an honor to represent Star Trek Online in Star Trek: Picard Season 2.

    Still yes, that was very nice to see. I found at the end of Season 1, them having a fleet of just one type of ship exclusively behind Riker a bit odd. So yes very great honor indeed, and possibly also expand some STO ships to Canon!

    Very nice indeed!
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,362 Arc User
    I wonder if the new Stargazer we saw is in fact the namesake for the Stargazer-class we got in game (or at least the version of it from this alt future), could explain why people from Cryptic are in the credits as the Stargazer-class is a Cryptic design and they most certainly would had to redesign it as its one older ships in the game currently and would look like TRIBBLE if put into Picard as is.
  • qultuqqultuq Member Posts: 989 Arc User
    edited February 2022
    Augmented Dictator released a picture of the ISS “Hecate.” Presumably this is Hector’s contribution to Picard Season 2. I don’t know if he has insider knowledge or this is just his educated guess. But the ship is the Cygnus.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/t39ra4/iss_hecate_terran_cygnus_battlecruiser/
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,531 Community Moderator
    Eh... I honestly wouldn't read too much into it. Hecate was the ancient greek goddess "variously associated with crossroads, entrance-ways, night, light, magic, witchcraft, knowledge of herbs and poisonous plants, ghosts, necromancy, and sorcery."

    Also its a pretty cool sounding name, but I'd probably use it more for a science ship than a cruiser.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited March 2022
    Perfect name for a Terran ship - especially with the necromancy association...the Terrans strike me as the kind of people who would go all-in on something like that, even moreso than the Kobali or Borg do.

    And poisonous plants...anyone remember Archer and Hoshi?​​
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,445 Arc User
    edited March 2022
    strathkin wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see what Ships we might possibly see in Picard Season 2 Premier, or possibly thru the Season.
    sthe91 wrote: »
    Wow! Congrats to Thomas Marrone and Hector Ortiz from Cryptic Studios! What an honor to represent Star Trek Online in Star Trek: Picard Season 2.

    Still yes, that was very nice to see. I found at the end of Season 1, them having a fleet of just one type of ship exclusively behind Riker a bit odd. So yes very great honor indeed, and possibly also expand some STO ships to Canon!

    Very nice indeed!

    I watched an analysis video on youtube, and the ships with Riker weren't all the same. They were similar in convention to the Odyssey line of ships. Similar build, with minute differences, but in different flavours of specialty.
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  • captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,925 Arc User
    Different studios are brought in to help with TV and movie productions, whether it's for VFX, 3D modelling, etc.

    The scope of what Thomas Marrone and Hector Ortiz (Thomas Marrone wrote ship specs and discriptions for Eaglemoss ship models, for example) might be doing could be anything from consulting to lending a hand in ship design to working on cross-pollination of assets. After all, STO is very close to the time period to Star Trek: Picard.

    I wonder if the U.S.S. Veritas from the Picard countdown comics is going to make an onscreen appearance?
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited March 2022
    *cynical mode activated*

    Or they were brought as "consultants", got told "thank you so much for your feedback" and then CBS tossed all this feedback into the bin, since they're listed solely as "Cryptic Studios" and not really a specific position.

    *cynical mode off*
    But it's still good they were brought in the production in any way and got credited properly.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    I watched an analysis video on youtube, and the ships with Riker weren't all the same.

    Dude 1: we don't have time to design multiple ships, just copy/paste the same one.

    Dude 2: but won't people say we're being lazy?

    Dude 1: ok just change some extremely minor thing so there are a few variants.

    Dude 2: but they're still so similar they all basically look the same.

    Dude 1: yeah, but now some guy on the internet can defend us by pointing out some tiny little difference.

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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    I watched an analysis video on youtube, and the ships with Riker weren't all the same.

    Dude 1: we don't have time to design multiple ships, just copy/paste the same one.

    Dude 2: but won't people say we're being lazy?

    Dude 1: ok just change some extremely minor thing so there are a few variants.

    Dude 2: but they're still so similar they all basically look the same.

    Dude 1: yeah, but now some guy on the internet can defend us by pointing out some tiny little difference.
    ^^^
    You do realize it was a result of ALL production being shutdown because of the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, and once they were able to get post production going again (after setting up ways to do SFX production remotely from their homes) - they had a very short time to complete the post production needed, right?
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  • paddy#3322 paddy Member Posts: 203 Arc User
    It makes sense to have STO Developers involved in the television show. The developers of this game have a lot of general Star Trek knowledge that perhaps the writers of that show don't have.
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    edited March 2022
    You do realize it was a result of ALL production being shutdown because of the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, and once they were able to get post production going again (after setting up ways to do SFX production remotely from their homes) - they had a very short time to complete the post production needed, right?
    And it just happens that all the rest looks good, EXCEPT this specific armada.

    "Guys, we have two choices: make overly-complicated and frankly ridiculous-looking giant flower-ship thingies that have complex animations... or grab ship models we already have in our database, or make two-three static new ship models, heck we could even have some Borg Cube action to show the Borg, even liberated, don't mess around, even against a Romulan armada and it could be some payback for the Romulans exploiting it and its crew before!

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,531 Community Moderator
    You know... I kind of find it funny that the Fed fleet takes so much flak for being copy/paste, and yet other than the lead ship the Romulan fleet is pretty much all one class of ship as well.
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  • faelon#8433 faelon Member Posts: 358 Arc User
    edited March 2022
    leemwatson wrote: »

    I watched an analysis video on youtube, and the ships with Riker weren't all the same. They were similar in convention to the Odyssey line of ships. Similar build, with minute differences, but in different flavours of specialty.

    I think there are more or less 3 main variants scattered among the ships. The Zheng He, the Maui and one other. With the biggest difference being the nacelles.
    Different studios are brought in to help with TV and movie productions, whether it's for VFX, 3D modelling, etc.

    The scope of what Thomas Marrone and Hector Ortiz (Thomas Marrone wrote ship specs and discriptions for Eaglemoss ship models, for example) might be doing could be anything from consulting to lending a hand in ship design to working on cross-pollination of assets. After all, STO is very close to the time period to Star Trek: Picard.

    I wonder if the U.S.S. Veritas from the Picard countdown comics is going to make an onscreen appearance?

    If you look at the brief teaser we’ve seen of the Stargazer from Picard S2, the main hull looks an awful lot like that of the Legendary Verity. Or some blend of the Verity and Yorktown. I mean there are some very clear and unique STO design cues. Enough to make me suspect Thomas and Hector may have had a hand in some design work. If the external shots of the Stargazer, which only show a bit of the forward saucer from the bridge forward, match up with the interior scenes that we have seen, the LCARS in the background would imply it is a 4 nacelle starship not unlike a newer larger Constellation. The Saucer seems a bit rounder than a Yorktown or Odyssey. More in line with the Verity or Soujorner.

    I have a feeling we may be looking at a Legendary Stargazer bundle in the not too distant future.



  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,809 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    I watched an analysis video on youtube, and the ships with Riker weren't all the same.

    Dude 1: we don't have time to design multiple ships, just copy/paste the same one.

    Dude 2: but won't people say we're being lazy?

    Dude 1: ok just change some extremely minor thing so there are a few variants.

    Dude 2: but they're still so similar they all basically look the same.

    Dude 1: yeah, but now some guy on the internet can defend us by pointing out some tiny little difference.
    ^^^
    You do realize it was a result of ALL production being shutdown because of the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, and once they were able to get post production going again (after setting up ways to do SFX production remotely from their homes) - they had a very short time to complete the post production needed, right?

    Star Trek Picard came out three months before Covid19 started shutting down Hollywood, the first season was completely finished with production well before Covid had any effect. The rubber-stamp fleet was nothing but corner-cutting that Kurtzman probably did not think the viewers would notice.

    I cannot really blame them for trying to cut costs, but they could have avoided the problem in a more traditional Trek way by cutting the number of ships and only showing a small squadron of maybe half a dozen or less (like a flagship and her escorts) on each side rather than going for the "so many they darken the sky" cliche they went with.

    I really like the idea of shared a universe between TV and games (like Defiance, though the cooperation was so incredibly bad they might as well not bothered), but the NuTreks are so far off the beam of the traditional ones the game is based on that I have doubts about how well something like that would work here without the show going to the all-encompassing parallel/quantum timelines like the way the game does, (and in the process quit trying to write TOS out of existence the way they seem to want to do).
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited March 2022
    leemwatson wrote: »
    I watched an analysis video on youtube, and the ships with Riker weren't all the same.

    Dude 1: we don't have time to design multiple ships, just copy/paste the same one.

    Dude 2: but won't people say we're being lazy?

    Dude 1: ok just change some extremely minor thing so there are a few variants.

    Dude 2: but they're still so similar they all basically look the same.

    Dude 1: yeah, but now some guy on the internet can defend us by pointing out some tiny little difference.
    ^^^
    You do realize it was a result of ALL production being shutdown because of the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, and once they were able to get post production going again (after setting up ways to do SFX production remotely from their homes) - they had a very short time to complete the post production needed, right?

    Star Trek Picard came out three months before Covid19 started shutting down Hollywood, the first season was completely finished with production well before Covid had any effect. The rubber-stamp fleet was nothing but corner-cutting that Kurtzman probably did not think the viewers would notice.

    I cannot really blame them for trying to cut costs, but they could have avoided the problem in a more traditional Trek way by cutting the number of ships and only showing a small squadron of maybe half a dozen or less (like a flagship and her escorts) on each side rather than going for the "so many they darken the sky" cliche they went with.

    I really like the idea of shared a universe between TV and games (like Defiance, though the cooperation was so incredibly bad they might as well not bothered), but the NuTreks are so far off the beam of the traditional ones the game is based on that I have doubts about how well something like that would work here without the show going to the all-encompassing parallel/quantum timelines like the way the game does, (and in the process quit trying to write TOS out of existence the way they seem to want to do).

    In looking back, yep - the post production was done before the shutdowns hit. I stand corrected.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    You know... I kind of find it funny that the Fed fleet takes so much flak for being copy/paste, and yet other than the lead ship the Romulan fleet is pretty much all one class of ship as well.

    Maybe I'm just mis-remembering my Trek, but it seems more appropriate for Roms than Feds, IMO. Like, in TNG whenever the Roms showed up it was always Warbirds; no real variety. On the other hand, almost every Fed fleet had a variety of different types of ships in it.

    But even setting in-universe explanations aside, the Feds are the heroes in the story and fans are just paying closer attention to their stuff IMO.

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,531 Community Moderator
    If you look at the brief teaser we’ve seen of the Stargazer from Picard S2, the main hull looks an awful lot like that of the Legendary Verity. Or some blend of the Verity and Yorktown. I mean there are some very clear and unique STO design cues. Enough to make me suspect Thomas and Hector may have had a hand in some design work. If the external shots of the Stargazer, which only show a bit of the forward saucer from the bridge forward, match up with the interior scenes that we have seen, the LCARS in the background would imply it is a 4 nacelle starship not unlike a newer larger Constellation. The Saucer seems a bit rounder than a Yorktown or Odyssey. More in line with the Verity or Soujorner.

    I have a feeling we may be looking at a Legendary Stargazer bundle in the not too distant future.

    I'd be more inclined to think we're just getting a T6 Constellation in the same way we got the T6 Luna after the USS Titan appeared in the s1 finale of Lower Decks. New ship on TV doesn't mean instant Legendary.
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    rattler2 wrote: »
    If you look at the brief teaser we’ve seen of the Stargazer from Picard S2, the main hull looks an awful lot like that of the Legendary Verity. Or some blend of the Verity and Yorktown. I mean there are some very clear and unique STO design cues. Enough to make me suspect Thomas and Hector may have had a hand in some design work. If the external shots of the Stargazer, which only show a bit of the forward saucer from the bridge forward, match up with the interior scenes that we have seen, the LCARS in the background would imply it is a 4 nacelle starship not unlike a newer larger Constellation. The Saucer seems a bit rounder than a Yorktown or Odyssey. More in line with the Verity or Soujorner.

    I have a feeling we may be looking at a Legendary Stargazer bundle in the not too distant future.

    I'd be more inclined to think we're just getting a T6 Constellation in the same way we got the T6 Luna after the USS Titan appeared in the s1 finale of Lower Decks. New ship on TV doesn't mean instant Legendary.

    Funny thing is, legendary means nothing anymore. See TOS "legendary miranda". Um...what? Yeah, that was never "legendary", they just wanted to sell it for that price.

    So if they want to sell a T6 Constellation for a legendary price, they definitely will regardless of it making no sense.

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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    Funny thing is, legendary means nothing anymore. See TOS "legendary miranda". Um...what? Yeah, that was never "legendary"

    As an iconic villain ship from TWoK I personally think the Miranda was plenty prominent enough to qualify for a Legendary. The criteria the devs have given are:

    1) Hero ship or a ship that "carried" an episode/movie
    2) Has at least two existing in-game variants before the Legendary is released so that cosmetics, consoles, and traits can be bundled
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
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    Funny thing is, legendary means nothing anymore. See TOS "legendary miranda". Um...what? Yeah, that was never "legendary"

    As an iconic villain ship...

    The Miranda is not an "iconic villain ship". It was the ship an iconic villain captured. Those are not the same thing. Kind of like how Khan and his crew temporarily captured the Enterprise in TOS, but that did not make the Enterprise a "villain ship". But semantics aside,

    The criteria the devs have given are:

    1) Hero ship or a ship that "carried" an episode/movie
    2) Has at least two existing in-game variants before the Legendary is released so that cosmetics, consoles, and traits can be bundled

    In that case the Constellation certainly qualifies. It was the center of an entire episode already(not to mention whatever happens in Picard), and has all the in game variants. So yeah, why is anyone arguing against that again?

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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    edited March 2022
    The criteria the devs have given are:

    1) Hero ship or a ship that "carried" an episode/movie
    2) Has at least two existing in-game variants before the Legendary is released so that cosmetics, consoles, and traits can be bundled

    In that case the Constellation certainly qualifies. It was the center of an entire episode already(not to mention whatever happens in Picard), and has all the in game variants. So yeah, why is anyone arguing against that again?

    I wasn't arguing against the Constellation, I was arguing against your opinion that the Miranda shouldn't qualify :) The Constellation would need a normal T6 first to meet the second criteria though, imo the list of potential Legendary ships based on the criteria would be something like this (I could be forgetting some ships atm):


    Eligible Now
    Prometheus
    Nova
    Negh'Var
    Jem'Hadar Attack Ship
    Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier


    Potentially Eligible if Non-Faction Ships are allowed
    Galor
    D'Kora


    Need More In-game Variants First
    Constellation
    Olympic (maybe eligible now if Thomas could get the Daedalus and Nautilus parts to work with it)
    Luna (maybe eligible now depending on if free and fleet variants count for the "at least 2" rule)
    La Sirena
    Kwejian Pilot Frigate (Book's ship)
    Vengeance
    Einstein (USS Kelvin)
    Jellyfish
    Freedom (USS Franklin)
    Disco D7
    Jem'Hadar Light Battlecruiser


    Debatable
    Inquiry (Riker's hero ship in Picard, but only appears in one scene)
    Mogai (two helped the Enterprise fight the Scimitar and it's the last canon Romulan design, but it isn't very prominent)


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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited March 2022
    The only way the Miranda-class is iconic is how it's the perfect Red Shirt ship of Star Trek in general.

    If you see a Miranda-class in an episode, it's almost guaranteed it's gonna get destroyed or crippled. Not even The Sisko or Khan could save one while being onboard, and in the latter case where it did cripple the Enterprise, it was due to Kirk's stupidity and a surprise attack. And even then, whenever it managed to hit the Connie Queen, it got struck back harder.

    Heck, even when it's not technically destroyed, it causes troubles, like in Cause and Effect.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    The Constellation would need a normal T6 first to meet the second criteria though,

    Good news! A T6 is not part of the requirements per your earlier post:
    The criteria the devs have given are:

    1) Hero ship or a ship that "carried" an episode/movie
    2) Has at least two existing in-game variants before the Legendary is released so that cosmetics, consoles, and traits can be bundled

    See, no mention of a T6, so that's great.

    And I know you are not one of those incredibly lame people that move the goalposts, so your original requirements are met :p

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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    The Constellation would need a normal T6 first to meet the second criteria though,

    Good news! A T6 is not part of the requirements per your earlier post:
    The criteria the devs have given are:

    1) Hero ship or a ship that "carried" an episode/movie
    2) Has at least two existing in-game variants before the Legendary is released so that cosmetics, consoles, and traits can be bundled

    See, no mention of a T6, so that's great.

    And I know you are not one of those incredibly lame people that move the goalposts, so your original requirements are met :p

    They aren't MY requirements, they are the devs. Sure, the Constellation technically has enough variants to meet Bort's "at least two" requirement now with the free version, the low level variant that was moved from the C-Store to the ship vendor, the T5 Mirror version, and the T5 Fleet version, but no ship has received a Legendary without a pre-existing T6 yet so I assume they will wait until after that happens. It could happen, but I doubt it.
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