The Odyssey is an exception to that, and there might be another exception as well. Imo the Excelsior probably should have taken the Odyssey's spot since the Odyssey isn't Canon (or at least isn't Canon yet).
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Absolutely NOTHING in STO is canon WRT Star Trek.
However the Odyssey Class 1701-F is the "Hero ship" standard bearer for STO in anything where your STO character doesn't take the lead. It's there because it's the 25th century "Enterprise" for the game - and as the game is what's being celebrated here (10 years in operation) -- the Odyssey Class 1701-F's inclusion makes perfect sense.
As for the Excelscior 1701-B; she was never really a hero ship on screen beyond the incident where Kirk got pulled into the Nexus. If you've never seen ST:Generations, you'd never know she existed. The 1701-B never appeared again in any of the TNG films or any film after ST:GEN.
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As for the Excelscior 1701-B; she was never really a hero ship on screen beyond the incident where Kirk got pulled into the Nexus. If you've never seen ST:Generations, you'd never know she existed. The 1701-B never appeared again in any of the TNG films or any film after ST:GEN.
The Enterprise B may not have had much of a hero role, but the USS Excelsior definitely was when Captain Sulu rushed to help the Enterprise at the end of Undiscovered Country.
All I want is for them to stop calling this an anniversary pack when there is no love for the rest of the game in it. Call it a "federation Hero pack" if they're gonna pretend 3 of the 4 factions don't exist. It's not a celebration of 10 years of STO, it's just a fed ship pack. Which is fine (although I'll be sitting it out having KDF mains), but don't sell it as this long love letter to the game.
However all of the ships Cryptic put in that pack were the "main" ship of a series or movie.
The Odyssey is an exception to that, and there might be another exception as well. Imo the Excelsior probably should have taken the Odyssey's spot since the Odyssey isn't Canon (or at least isn't Canon yet).
Fair point. And just as a completely anecdotal point that doesn't actually mean anything to anyone else: while I was not interested in the vast majority of the Eaglemoss model ships, the ones I did buy were all of the Enterprises(including both the "B" and "C") + all of the "main" ships from the shows (including Voyager, the Defiant, and Discovery). I did not, however, buy the Odyssey class. I just don't have an emotional connection to it.
As far as the Odyssey being canon, I *THINK* (though could be wrong) that CBS is currently viewing all NEWLY published books and comics as canon, and Picard is the captain of an Odyssey class ship in the Picard prequel comic series.
The Odyssey is an exception to that, and there might be another exception as well. Imo the Excelsior probably should have taken the Odyssey's spot since the Odyssey isn't Canon (or at least isn't Canon yet).
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Absolutely NOTHING in STO is canon WRT Star Trek.
However the Odyssey Class 1701-F is the "Hero ship" standard bearer for STO in anything where your STO character doesn't take the lead. It's there because it's the 25th century "Enterprise" for the game - and as the game is what's being celebrated here (10 years in operation) -- the Odyssey Class 1701-F's inclusion makes perfect sense.
As for the Excelscior 1701-B; she was never really a hero ship on screen beyond the incident where Kirk got pulled into the Nexus. If you've never seen ST:Generations, you'd never know she existed. The 1701-B never appeared again in any of the TNG films or any film after ST:GEN.
The Excelsior isn't just the Ent B, though. It debuted in ST 3, Sulu was captain of the Excelsior in ST 6 and played a critical role there. It was there with the Ent D in Encounter at Farpoint. Obviously it played in Generations as the Ent B. It came back as the Lakota in DS9 where it proved to be a match for the Defiant, as well as the many other cameos in the DS9 and TNG. It is one of the most successful designs in Star Trek, one of the most ubiquitous ships seen in the shows, and clearly the best looking.
When people talk about the Excelsior, it isn't just NCC-2000 or 1701-B, even if they were the most notable. It may be the most commonly seen ship that isn't the star player, an ever present witness to the days of the 1701 on through to the 1701-E. That is why people like the Excelsior. It has become part of Star Trek as much as any ship named Enterprise.
When people talk about the Excelsior, it isn't just NCC-2000 or 1701-B, even if they were the most notable. It may be the most commonly seen ship that isn't the star player, an ever present witness to the days of the 1701 on through to the 1701-E. That is why people like the Excelsior. It has become part of Star Trek as much as any ship named Enterprise.
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When I first saw the thing in the theater in 1984 in STIII:TSFS - I agree with the rest of my friends who called it: "The Flying Bathtub".
That they continued to try and show that ugly model in subsequent films (and then in TNG to save money of production costs); I still never warmed to that ugly Bathtub. But, the fact remains, it was NEVER a 'Hero Ship' in any film or series.
The hero ships were:
TOS - Starship/Constitution Class 1701
TOS Era Films - Starship/Constitution Class 1701Refit & 1701-A
TNG Series - Galaxy Class (another truly ugly mess of a design) 1701-D
TNG Films - Galaxy Class 1701-D/Sovereign Class 1701-E
DS9 Series - U.S.S. Defiant
VOY Series - Intrepid Class U.S.S. Voyager
ENT - NX Class NX-01
JJ-Verse - JJ Connie 1701 and 1701-A (They only Constitution-esqe design I also can't stand)
TRIBBLE - Crossfield Class 1031 U.S.S. Discovery
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That it for the list of any and all real 'Hero Ships' in Star Trek. Again, since the 10th Anniversary of STO - Cryptic is going to include the one fan designed ship class from it's own game - the Odyssey Class 1701-F as a 'Hero Ship' bit, it really isn't either for STO as since your character is the hero (promoted from Cadet to Captain of a Starship after one incident); thus whatever ship you're flying atm is STO's 'Hero Ship'.
Sulu's NX 2000 U.S.S. Excelsior wasn't and neither was the ship Chekov served as Exec. on, the Miranda Class U.S.S. Reliant.
Neither was the Ambassador Class 1701-C in TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise". Like them all you like, but they aren't "Hero Ships".
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Not going to agree for a second that Sulu's Excelsior wasn't a hero ship. The Crossfield is definitely the ugliest ST ship I've ever seen, but it at least deserves a slot in this bundle as a hero ship.
The Crossfield is definitely the ugliest ST ship I've ever seen
Ugliest Canon ship maybe, but STO has several designs that are a lot worse, the Federation Dyson Destroyer being the absolute worst Trek design I have ever seen.
The J is ugly too. It does have a lot of similar proportion problems to the Crossfield, but the Ent J is still nicer looking.
The best thing with the Excelsior is it has great proportions and looks sturdily built, very similar to the Sovereign. Compare it to the Galaxy that looks front heavy and unbalanced or the original Connie which looks spindly and fragile.
The J is the giant flat pizza from Enterprise? That was a 2D object in a 3D Universe... it looked like garbage. Crossfield with cutouts and all... at least looked like a ship. J was a rush job with zero time or budget dedicated to it.
The J is the giant flat pizza from Enterprise? That was a 2D object in a 3D Universe... it looked like garbage. Crossfield with cutouts and all... at least looked like a ship. J was a rush job with zero time or budget dedicated to it.
Yes the J is ugly. Crossfield is still much worse to me. I won a promo ship from one of the giveaway freebie boxes. I considered, very briefly, getting one of the Universe ships or a counterpart for the other factions. I did not for one moment consider the Crossfield.
As flat as the J is, which definitely ruins the ship, it looks okay as a basic concept. I can't begin to see how one fixes the Crossfield. Where the J has the overly large saucer, it is actually a saucer. The Crossfield has a spinny donut pretending to be a saucer and a comically large wing that looks almost entirely devoid of purpose, with absurdly stretched nacelles twice the length of the donut.
Also I really am getting tired of the stupid censorship on this thread. My post makes less sense without the post I was implicitly replying to.
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Yes the J is ugly. Crossfield is still much worse to me. I won a promo ship from one of the giveaway freebie boxes. I considered, very briefly, getting one of the Universe ships or a counterpart for the other factions. I did not for one moment consider the Crossfield.
As flat as the J is, which definitely ruins the ship, it looks okay as a basic concept. I can't begin to see how one fixes the Crossfield. Where the J has the overly large saucer, it is actually a saucer. The Crossfield has a spinny donut pretending to be a saucer and a comically large wing that looks almost entirely devoid of purpose, with absurdly stretched nacelles twice the length of the donut.
Also I really am getting tired of the stupid censorship on this thread. My post makes less sense without the post I was implicitly replying to.
Well... if you saw the original concept art for what would eventually become the Crossfield...
Also... that WAS once going to be the new Enterprise after TOS. This concept art has been around that long. They revisited old concept art and gave it new life as an entirely new ship. Something that has been done before in the past. One piece of concept art for the Defiant had a completely different design than we got. That concept art eventually became the Nova class.
Its not uncommon for Star Trek to reuse old designs as new ships. And I honestly think that the Crossfield became a good modernization of the concept art.
As for the "devoid of purpose" areas... we're not really sure actually. The Crossfield was clearly purpose built for testing the Spore Drive, hence her more "unique" features such as the "donut" saucer, which actually spins during Spore Drive activation. Probably similar to how a Chinook has its rotors spinning in opposite directions to maintain stability. As for the beefy pylons... its possible since they're so big that there is lab space alongside power relays and stuff, as well as potentially shuttle storage space. She is a science vessel after all, and I doubt there's enough space in the saucer alone for labs.
And the extended nacelles are probably so that the warp nacelles can "see" each other in order to create a stable warp field. Remember that in most ships, especially Federation, the Warp Nacelles rarely have anything between them. And technically even the Defiant can say that as her nacelles actually dip below the main hull a bit. By extending the nacelles on the Crossfield, they allow for the more flat profile while maintaining that feature.
Yes the J is ugly. Crossfield is still much worse to me. I won a promo ship from one of the giveaway freebie boxes. I considered, very briefly, getting one of the Universe ships or a counterpart for the other factions. I did not for one moment consider the Crossfield.
As flat as the J is, which definitely ruins the ship, it looks okay as a basic concept. I can't begin to see how one fixes the Crossfield. Where the J has the overly large saucer, it is actually a saucer. The Crossfield has a spinny donut pretending to be a saucer and a comically large wing that looks almost entirely devoid of purpose, with absurdly stretched nacelles twice the length of the donut.
Also I really am getting tired of the stupid censorship on this thread. My post makes less sense without the post I was implicitly replying to.
Well... if you saw the original concept art for what would eventually become the Crossfield...
Also... that WAS once going to be the new Enterprise after TOS. This concept art has been around that long. They revisited old concept art and gave it new life as an entirely new ship. Something that has been done before in the past. One piece of concept art for the Defiant had a completely different design than we got. That concept art eventually became the Nova class.
Its not uncommon for Star Trek to reuse old designs as new ships. And I honestly think that the Crossfield became a good modernization of the concept art.
As for the "devoid of purpose" areas... we're not really sure actually. The Crossfield was clearly purpose built for testing the Spore Drive, hence her more "unique" features such as the "donut" saucer, which actually spins during Spore Drive activation. Probably similar to how a Chinook has its rotors spinning in opposite directions to maintain stability. As for the beefy pylons... its possible since they're so big that there is lab space alongside power relays and stuff, as well as potentially shuttle storage space. She is a science vessel after all, and I doubt there's enough space in the saucer alone for labs.
And the extended nacelles are probably so that the warp nacelles can "see" each other in order to create a stable warp field. Remember that in most ships, especially Federation, the Warp Nacelles rarely have anything between them. And technically even the Defiant can say that as her nacelles actually dip below the main hull a bit. By extending the nacelles on the Crossfield, they allow for the more flat profile while maintaining that feature.
Lots things also come down to personal opinion really. I find defiant to be one of the most ugly Federation ships of all time - yet many love it so yes, we should all accept personal tastes cant 100% synch with each other and some will always have a very different opinion of what looks better
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Yes the J is ugly. Crossfield is still much worse to me. I won a promo ship from one of the giveaway freebie boxes. I considered, very briefly, getting one of the Universe ships or a counterpart for the other factions. I did not for one moment consider the Crossfield.
As flat as the J is, which definitely ruins the ship, it looks okay as a basic concept. I can't begin to see how one fixes the Crossfield. Where the J has the overly large saucer, it is actually a saucer. The Crossfield has a spinny donut pretending to be a saucer and a comically large wing that looks almost entirely devoid of purpose, with absurdly stretched nacelles twice the length of the donut.
Also I really am getting tired of the stupid censorship on this thread. My post makes less sense without the post I was implicitly replying to.
Well... if you saw the original concept art for what would eventually become the Crossfield...
Also... that WAS once going to be the new Enterprise after TOS. This concept art has been around that long. They revisited old concept art and gave it new life as an entirely new ship. Something that has been done before in the past. One piece of concept art for the Defiant had a completely different design than we got. That concept art eventually became the Nova class.
Its not uncommon for Star Trek to reuse old designs as new ships. And I honestly think that the Crossfield became a good modernization of the concept art.
As for the "devoid of purpose" areas... we're not really sure actually. The Crossfield was clearly purpose built for testing the Spore Drive, hence her more "unique" features such as the "donut" saucer, which actually spins during Spore Drive activation. Probably similar to how a Chinook has its rotors spinning in opposite directions to maintain stability. As for the beefy pylons... its possible since they're so big that there is lab space alongside power relays and stuff, as well as potentially shuttle storage space. She is a science vessel after all, and I doubt there's enough space in the saucer alone for labs.
And the extended nacelles are probably so that the warp nacelles can "see" each other in order to create a stable warp field. Remember that in most ships, especially Federation, the Warp Nacelles rarely have anything between them. And technically even the Defiant can say that as her nacelles actually dip below the main hull a bit. By extending the nacelles on the Crossfield, they allow for the more flat profile while maintaining that feature.
I don't begrudge anyone if they like stuff I don't. If you like the Crossfield, great. It is hands down the ugliest ship that supposedly flies for Starfleet.
That concept art is hideous itself. Thankfully instead of that we got the Refit and then Excelsior as the next Enterprises. And just because it was concept art doesn't mean it has any business ever being introduced as a bona fide starship. It is not a good design.
I don't see any purpose in the gigantic wing. We can imagine all day and night, but it looks at most 2 decks, and has no apparent anything going on on the surface. Why is it there? It doesn't look like it serves any purpose.
On a saucer you have windows and widgets and engineering hulls on ships have a fairly condensed space around the warp core and deflector, sections that one can reasonably presume support those operations.
Instead, the wing has everything spread wide apart, whatever is actually in there. It doesn't make sense for quarters with no windows. There aren't any external indications that anything goes on there. It's just apparent dead space. And that means its wasted space and wasted material. Sure something happens in the wings, but what? Why is so much space needed? Why not condense that?
Consider the area of a rectangle versus its perimeter. A 4x4 square has an area of 16 units and a 16 unit perimeter. If instead we had a 1x16 rectangle you still have a 16 unit area, but now you have a perimeter of 34 units, and that means you need more material for your slim rectangle for the same internal space. This is actually why saucers make sense, because they are about as efficient as you can be, aside from a sphere.
The whole spinner saucer is ludicrous under any circumstances. Any damage, any imperfection would destroy the entire saucer the next time it spins up which is a horrible design flaw. The very room layout in those spinny sections matter for mass distribution and the balance of it all. It isn't remotely the same as a pair of counter rotating rotors or propellers which are very easy to make uniform and identical by comparison, and nothing is stored inside them. If you ever had an old fan break off one of its paddles or even chip a piece off, you know the issue. Now if it were some external thing, say if it raised up out of the wing, and wasn't the saucer itself, I might give it a pass.
For the nacelles, yeah, they do need to see each other, but making them that large rather than using some angled pylons makes the design uglier.
I'm not a fan of the Scryer saucer either. At least it doesn't spin. Why have the open space in the saucer? I know some have said some sort of volatile labs separation for safety. That's plausible, but is totally unnecessary. It is very easy to build something to blow up in a direction you want it to.
Take a look at the M1 Abrams tank. The ammo storage is directly behind the crew compartment, for obvious reasons. It has heavy doors separating it from the crew compartment, but above it has much weaker panels. If the ammo storage blows up, the force of the explosion will blow those panels off the top of the turret, before it blows open the doors. It is a designed failure point, the same design principle behind the way cars crumple to protect the passenger compartment in an accident.
Yeah this is science fiction, but science fiction needs to draw from principles in modern science when it can, not just make stuff up left and right.
So to try and keep this on topic, I wouldn't be interested in a Crossfield if it happens to be in this pack, nor as I mentioned before, if I get another promo ship box by some miracle. If someone else likes it and really hopes its in the pack, great, good for them. I hope they get the ship they want.
regarding the cross field being based on old concept art... well it was rejected for a reason. TBH my impression of the crossfield is "it looks like a D7 battlecruiser crashed into a giant doughnut"
regarding the cross field being based on old concept art... well it was rejected for a reason. TBH my impression of the crossfield is "it looks like a D7 battlecruiser crashed into a giant doughnut"
As the Klingon crashed into the giant doughnut, he said, "Today is a good day to dive! Yum!"
It took me awhile to get used to it but now I slightly like it. One of my captains flew it as a Federation - Alien hybrid using the Tholian space set. He eventually switched over to flying captured Tholian ships.
regarding the cross field being based on old concept art... well it was rejected for a reason. TBH my impression of the crossfield is "it looks like a D7 battlecruiser crashed into a giant doughnut"
As the Klingon crashed into the giant doughnut, he said, "Today is a good day to dive! Yum!"
Well, it's Thursday and I still don't see a Zen Charge Bonus. Times-a-ticking.
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Then my bad, as there was a discussion that it was dropping on the 11th based on what they posted in the German Blog.
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Absolutely NOTHING in STO is canon WRT Star Trek.
However the Odyssey Class 1701-F is the "Hero ship" standard bearer for STO in anything where your STO character doesn't take the lead.
As for the Excelscior 1701-B; she was never really a hero ship on screen beyond the incident where Kirk got pulled into the Nexus. If you've never seen ST:Generations, you'd never know she existed. The 1701-B never appeared again in any of the TNG films or any film after ST:GEN.
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The Enterprise B may not have had much of a hero role, but the USS Excelsior definitely was when Captain Sulu rushed to help the Enterprise at the end of Undiscovered Country.
Fair point. And just as a completely anecdotal point that doesn't actually mean anything to anyone else: while I was not interested in the vast majority of the Eaglemoss model ships, the ones I did buy were all of the Enterprises(including both the "B" and "C") + all of the "main" ships from the shows (including Voyager, the Defiant, and Discovery). I did not, however, buy the Odyssey class. I just don't have an emotional connection to it.
As far as the Odyssey being canon, I *THINK* (though could be wrong) that CBS is currently viewing all NEWLY published books and comics as canon, and Picard is the captain of an Odyssey class ship in the Picard prequel comic series.
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The Excelsior isn't just the Ent B, though. It debuted in ST 3, Sulu was captain of the Excelsior in ST 6 and played a critical role there. It was there with the Ent D in Encounter at Farpoint. Obviously it played in Generations as the Ent B. It came back as the Lakota in DS9 where it proved to be a match for the Defiant, as well as the many other cameos in the DS9 and TNG. It is one of the most successful designs in Star Trek, one of the most ubiquitous ships seen in the shows, and clearly the best looking.
When people talk about the Excelsior, it isn't just NCC-2000 or 1701-B, even if they were the most notable. It may be the most commonly seen ship that isn't the star player, an ever present witness to the days of the 1701 on through to the 1701-E. That is why people like the Excelsior. It has become part of Star Trek as much as any ship named Enterprise.
When I first saw the thing in the theater in 1984 in STIII:TSFS - I agree with the rest of my friends who called it: "The Flying Bathtub".
That they continued to try and show that ugly model in subsequent films (and then in TNG to save money of production costs); I still never warmed to that ugly Bathtub. But, the fact remains, it was NEVER a 'Hero Ship' in any film or series.
The hero ships were:
TOS - Starship/Constitution Class 1701
TOS Era Films - Starship/Constitution Class 1701Refit & 1701-A
TNG Series - Galaxy Class (another truly ugly mess of a design) 1701-D
TNG Films - Galaxy Class 1701-D/Sovereign Class 1701-E
DS9 Series - U.S.S. Defiant
VOY Series - Intrepid Class U.S.S. Voyager
ENT - NX Class NX-01
JJ-Verse - JJ Connie 1701 and 1701-A (They only Constitution-esqe design I also can't stand)
TRIBBLE - Crossfield Class 1031 U.S.S. Discovery
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That it for the list of any and all real 'Hero Ships' in Star Trek. Again, since the 10th Anniversary of STO - Cryptic is going to include the one fan designed ship class from it's own game - the Odyssey Class 1701-F as a 'Hero Ship' bit, it really isn't either for STO as since your character is the hero (promoted from Cadet to Captain of a Starship after one incident); thus whatever ship you're flying atm is STO's 'Hero Ship'.
Sulu's NX 2000 U.S.S. Excelsior wasn't and neither was the ship Chekov served as Exec. on, the Miranda Class U.S.S. Reliant.
Neither was the Ambassador Class 1701-C in TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise". Like them all you like, but they aren't "Hero Ships".
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Ugliest Canon ship maybe, but STO has several designs that are a lot worse, the Federation Dyson Destroyer being the absolute worst Trek design I have ever seen.
The best thing with the Excelsior is it has great proportions and looks sturdily built, very similar to the Sovereign. Compare it to the Galaxy that looks front heavy and unbalanced or the original Connie which looks spindly and fragile.
The J is the giant flat pizza from Enterprise? That was a 2D object in a 3D Universe... it looked like garbage. Crossfield with cutouts and all... at least looked like a ship. J was a rush job with zero time or budget dedicated to it.
Yes the J is ugly. Crossfield is still much worse to me. I won a promo ship from one of the giveaway freebie boxes. I considered, very briefly, getting one of the Universe ships or a counterpart for the other factions. I did not for one moment consider the Crossfield.
As flat as the J is, which definitely ruins the ship, it looks okay as a basic concept. I can't begin to see how one fixes the Crossfield. Where the J has the overly large saucer, it is actually a saucer. The Crossfield has a spinny donut pretending to be a saucer and a comically large wing that looks almost entirely devoid of purpose, with absurdly stretched nacelles twice the length of the donut.
Also I really am getting tired of the stupid censorship on this thread. My post makes less sense without the post I was implicitly replying to.
Well... if you saw the original concept art for what would eventually become the Crossfield...
Also... that WAS once going to be the new Enterprise after TOS. This concept art has been around that long. They revisited old concept art and gave it new life as an entirely new ship. Something that has been done before in the past. One piece of concept art for the Defiant had a completely different design than we got. That concept art eventually became the Nova class.
Its not uncommon for Star Trek to reuse old designs as new ships. And I honestly think that the Crossfield became a good modernization of the concept art.
As for the "devoid of purpose" areas... we're not really sure actually. The Crossfield was clearly purpose built for testing the Spore Drive, hence her more "unique" features such as the "donut" saucer, which actually spins during Spore Drive activation. Probably similar to how a Chinook has its rotors spinning in opposite directions to maintain stability. As for the beefy pylons... its possible since they're so big that there is lab space alongside power relays and stuff, as well as potentially shuttle storage space. She is a science vessel after all, and I doubt there's enough space in the saucer alone for labs.
And the extended nacelles are probably so that the warp nacelles can "see" each other in order to create a stable warp field. Remember that in most ships, especially Federation, the Warp Nacelles rarely have anything between them. And technically even the Defiant can say that as her nacelles actually dip below the main hull a bit. By extending the nacelles on the Crossfield, they allow for the more flat profile while maintaining that feature.
Lots things also come down to personal opinion really. I find defiant to be one of the most ugly Federation ships of all time - yet many love it so yes, we should all accept personal tastes cant 100% synch with each other and some will always have a very different opinion of what looks better
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I don't begrudge anyone if they like stuff I don't. If you like the Crossfield, great. It is hands down the ugliest ship that supposedly flies for Starfleet.
That concept art is hideous itself. Thankfully instead of that we got the Refit and then Excelsior as the next Enterprises. And just because it was concept art doesn't mean it has any business ever being introduced as a bona fide starship. It is not a good design.
I don't see any purpose in the gigantic wing. We can imagine all day and night, but it looks at most 2 decks, and has no apparent anything going on on the surface. Why is it there? It doesn't look like it serves any purpose.
On a saucer you have windows and widgets and engineering hulls on ships have a fairly condensed space around the warp core and deflector, sections that one can reasonably presume support those operations.
Instead, the wing has everything spread wide apart, whatever is actually in there. It doesn't make sense for quarters with no windows. There aren't any external indications that anything goes on there. It's just apparent dead space. And that means its wasted space and wasted material. Sure something happens in the wings, but what? Why is so much space needed? Why not condense that?
Consider the area of a rectangle versus its perimeter. A 4x4 square has an area of 16 units and a 16 unit perimeter. If instead we had a 1x16 rectangle you still have a 16 unit area, but now you have a perimeter of 34 units, and that means you need more material for your slim rectangle for the same internal space. This is actually why saucers make sense, because they are about as efficient as you can be, aside from a sphere.
The whole spinner saucer is ludicrous under any circumstances. Any damage, any imperfection would destroy the entire saucer the next time it spins up which is a horrible design flaw. The very room layout in those spinny sections matter for mass distribution and the balance of it all. It isn't remotely the same as a pair of counter rotating rotors or propellers which are very easy to make uniform and identical by comparison, and nothing is stored inside them. If you ever had an old fan break off one of its paddles or even chip a piece off, you know the issue. Now if it were some external thing, say if it raised up out of the wing, and wasn't the saucer itself, I might give it a pass.
For the nacelles, yeah, they do need to see each other, but making them that large rather than using some angled pylons makes the design uglier.
I'm not a fan of the Scryer saucer either. At least it doesn't spin. Why have the open space in the saucer? I know some have said some sort of volatile labs separation for safety. That's plausible, but is totally unnecessary. It is very easy to build something to blow up in a direction you want it to.
Take a look at the M1 Abrams tank. The ammo storage is directly behind the crew compartment, for obvious reasons. It has heavy doors separating it from the crew compartment, but above it has much weaker panels. If the ammo storage blows up, the force of the explosion will blow those panels off the top of the turret, before it blows open the doors. It is a designed failure point, the same design principle behind the way cars crumple to protect the passenger compartment in an accident.
Yeah this is science fiction, but science fiction needs to draw from principles in modern science when it can, not just make stuff up left and right.
So to try and keep this on topic, I wouldn't be interested in a Crossfield if it happens to be in this pack, nor as I mentioned before, if I get another promo ship box by some miracle. If someone else likes it and really hopes its in the pack, great, good for them. I hope they get the ship they want.
YES, Please!
As the Klingon crashed into the giant doughnut, he said, "Today is a good day to dive! Yum!"
It took me awhile to get used to it but now I slightly like it. One of my captains flew it as a Federation - Alien hybrid using the Tholian space set. He eventually switched over to flying captured Tholian ships.
"Today is NOT a good day to diet."
Yep. They apparently have to take it down every time they update it.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I just checked and only 6 buttons showing up... they all have a link to the ship details.
Yeah buttons are back for me, false alarm.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
> Well, it's Thursday and I still don't see a Zen Charge Bonus. Times-a-ticking.
Surely if they were going to do that, they'd do it next Thursday when the bundle drops?
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Yeah I have a screenshot of the French blog saying that too, when I checked it yesterday though they had changed it to the 13th as well