How do you make money by excluding so many potential customers by forcing them to buy stuff they don't want at an unprecedented premium or to not buy at all?
"Forcing" may be too strong a word.
Yes its more like "tempting" some people
none can force us spend, ultimately its our decision
Yes, I will probably buy it, despite about half of it being uninteresting to me
you have your answer. that's why they keep doing this kind of bundle; they sell them.
They haven't done anything like this before. You never had to buy the whole bundle before. This is already leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth that I'm not going to buy anything else packaged like this. Making customers feel bad or guilty isn't a good practice.
Yes I'm still choosing to buy it, maybe, but I'm already unhappy about it which is not good for future business between us. Again, there is no option here. I can't buy just the ships I want. I can't buy a portion of the bundle that has mostly ships I want. It is all or nothing.
How do you make money by excluding so many potential customers by forcing them to buy stuff they don't want at an unprecedented premium or to not buy at all?
"Forcing" may be too strong a word.
Not really, my point is that there are a bunch of ships in the bundle that are likely unwanted by whomever is buying it, yet it is being sold to us as an inseparable package. Lots of other bundles I've broken because I didn't want all the ships in the bundle. Once I even changed my mind and bought the rest of the bundle afterwards, without complaint, because I had the option to buy it all and didn't think I wanted it at the time.
But with this I am "forced" to buy, for example, the Kelvin ship I'll never use along with the pretty new Sovereign. It is also very apparent that it is being used to inflate the price of the bundle, by virtue of being a box ship. I can't get the Sovereign if I don't. There is no choice here, buy everything or buy nothing. I am still considering buying nothing, as there are a lot of other things I could buy instead, some not sold by Cryptic/PWE.
Again, yes, If I buy it, it is solely my choice. That doesn't mean I buy it happily or without reluctance, and that is important to voice. I'm not a whale by any measure, just someone who can save up to make a big purchase now and then, so getting good value is still important to me.
They haven't done anything like this before. You never had to buy the whole bundle before. This is already leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth that I'm not going to buy anything else packaged like this. Making customers feel bad or guilty isn't a good practice.
yes, sorry, I misread your post, I thought that you were just talking about big bundle, and i forgot the fact that the ships won't be available out of the bundle.
I understand your frustration; I have never bought a single bundle, I just pick the ship that i need or want for spacebarbie . And it is really a Cryptic's bad move, to make these ships only available in this overpriced bundle.
I figure the Ent B/Excelsior won't be in this, but I really think they should put it in instead of the JJPrise since that's more of an alternate universe thing and not in the prime universe.
What makes you think STO is in the 'Prime' universe itself? It's its own alternate Star Trek reality - was NEVER canon; and will probably be contradicted by Picard (and later series) so much that even die hards who want the "Well, STO isn't official canon but it lines up REALLY well with everything elsze in Trek for the most part..." won't be able to reconcile it.
Hell, they now have the 7of 9 model updated to match STP in the new Anniversary mission, yet in the 'Delta Rising' expansion, we have catsuit 7 of 9 - still working with the Daystrom Institutre and Starfleet directly (which is NOT what she's doing in STP at all). What? Did she get re-assimilated and then de-assimilated, and as a result, change her view on Star Fleet AGAIN as a result in the interviening 12 years between STP and STO?
Bottom line - The JJ Verse is MORE canon than STO now, or than STO ever was.
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I figure the Ent B/Excelsior won't be in this, but I really think they should put it in instead of the JJPrise since that's more of an alternate universe thing and not in the prime universe.
What makes you think STO is in the 'Prime' universe itself? It's its own alternate Star Trek reality - was NEVER canon; and will probably be contradicted by Picard (and later series) so much that even die hards who want the "Well, STO isn't official canon but it lines up REALLY well with everything elsze in Trek for the most part..." won't be able to reconcile it.
Hell, they now have the 7of 9 model updated to match STP in the new Anniversary mission, yet in the 'Delta Rising' expansion, we have catsuit 7 of 9 - still working with the Daystrom Institutre and Starfleet directly (which is NOT what she's doing in STP at all). What? Did she get re-assimilated and then de-assimilated, and as a result, change her view on Star Fleet AGAIN as a result in the interviening 12 years between STP and STO?
Bottom line - The JJ Verse is MORE canon than STO now, or than STO ever was.
2 points:
1) Your comments are all correct. However regardless of whether STO is canon or not(from a real life perspective), the JJ-prise is still from an alternate timeline to STO's timeline(from an IN GAME perspective). The Excelsior is not.
2) To ME, a hero ship is a ship that was the "main" ship in a series/movie. The JJ-prise was, the Excelsior was not. So the JJ-prise fits into this pack better IMO. It's also clearly more of a selling point as far as popularity, no offense to Excelsior fans.
Yes, I will probably buy it, despite about half of it being uninteresting to me
you have your answer. that's why they keep doing this kind of bundle; they sell them.
They haven't done anything like this before. You never had to buy the whole bundle before. This is already leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth that I'm not going to buy anything else packaged like this. Making customers feel bad or guilty isn't a good practice.
That's not technically true. If you wanted the JHDC or JH Strike Wing Escort (previous T5 lockbox ships), you had to buy the entire Gamma Vanguard pack.
If you want to go T6 route, you have to buy the entire (horrible, imo) Picard bundle to get the Miradorn.
Likewise, Cryptic updated Seven's model, and text box dialog(though they didn't redo the VA lines), in Delta Rising, and took her out of the catsuit, and gave her more normal sounding speech, to make her like she is in both Picard and the new mission.
I'llhave to check that out - they actually re-did the Delta Rising missions that feature her character and rewrote some of her text? Lol - I guess I'll need to take a look - VOY was my least favorite Trek (stopped watching after "The 37's" although I did check out "Scorpion I & II" - and still didn't think it wwas worth returning to, and did catch the AGT style finale (Can Brannon Braga do ANYTHING besides convoluted and ridiculous Time travel gimmick stories?) -- So yeah, only one of my characters ran all the DR content (Hey, gotta at least give any new content a shot in STO - right?)
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I have not personally checked myself, but on a recent Livestream Kael said they did not re-do her Delta Rising stuff because they wanted to give people the opportunity to play with both "Voyager Seven" and "Picard Seven". So if they did in fact re-do the DR stuff they he was wrong/didn't know what he was talking about.
Yes, I will probably buy it, despite about half of it being uninteresting to me
you have your answer. that's why they keep doing this kind of bundle; they sell them.
They haven't done anything like this before. You never had to buy the whole bundle before. This is already leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth that I'm not going to buy anything else packaged like this. Making customers feel bad or guilty isn't a good practice.
That's not technically true. If you wanted the JHDC or JH Strike Wing Escort (previous T5 lockbox ships), you had to buy the entire Gamma Vanguard pack.
If you want to go T6 route, you have to buy the entire (horrible, imo) Picard bundle to get the Miradorn.
Technically you're right, but T5 ships were not a major selling point of any major bundle at the time the Gamma pack came out. No you can't get them outside the bundle (unless you have the boxes and some luck) but you probably don't care about them either, given the rest of the ships in that pack. I highly doubt anyone is buying that bundle for those T5 ships and is annoyed that they have to get 7 other T6 ships to do it.
The Picard bundle is basically all about the Miradorn. If you want the Miradorn, you either get it from a box or you buy it outright with this bundle. There is no other T6 ship. If you don't want the only T6 ship in the bundle, you don't really have any good reason to buy this bundle. I'm not sure most people look at the bundle and don't simply see it as a rare T6 ship for $120.
I figure the Ent B/Excelsior won't be in this, but I really think they should put it in instead of the JJPrise since that's more of an alternate universe thing and not in the prime universe.
What makes you think STO is in the 'Prime' universe itself? It's its own alternate Star Trek reality - was NEVER canon; and will probably be contradicted by Picard (and later series) so much that even die hards who want the "Well, STO isn't official canon but it lines up REALLY well with everything elsze in Trek for the most part..." won't be able to reconcile it.
Hell, they now have the 7of 9 model updated to match STP in the new Anniversary mission, yet in the 'Delta Rising' expansion, we have catsuit 7 of 9 - still working with the Daystrom Institutre and Starfleet directly (which is NOT what she's doing in STP at all). What? Did she get re-assimilated and then de-assimilated, and as a result, change her view on Star Fleet AGAIN as a result in the interviening 12 years between STP and STO?
Bottom line - The JJ Verse is MORE canon than STO now, or than STO ever was.
2) To ME, a hero ship is a ship that was the "main" ship in a series/movie. The JJ-prise was, the Excelsior was not. So the JJ-prise fits into this pack better IMO. It's also clearly more of a selling point as far as popularity, no offense to Excelsior fans.
Yeah, but the Enterprise B is the ship Kirk was on when he was "killed" so that's pretty important to me.
Likewise, Cryptic updated Seven's model, and text box dialog(though they didn't redo the VA lines), in Delta Rising, and took her out of the catsuit, and gave her more normal sounding speech, to make her like she is in both Picard and the new mission.
I'llhave to check that out - they actually re-did the Delta Rising missions that feature her character and rewrote some of her text? Lol - I guess I'll need to take a look - VOY was my least favorite Trek (stopped watching after "The 37's" although I did check out "Scorpion I & II" - and still didn't think it wwas worth returning to, and did catch the AGT style finale (Can Brannon Braga do ANYTHING besides convoluted and ridiculous Time travel gimmick stories?) -- So yeah, only one of my characters ran all the DR content (Hey, gotta at least give any new content a shot in STO - right?)
I played Broken Circle after the update, they did not update Seven's visual look (except possibly her hair). I didn't notice if they updated her voice.
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I think they did remodel her Delta Rising model a bit too.
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Yeah, but the Enterprise B is the ship Kirk was on when he was "killed" so that's pretty important to me.
Hey, that's cool. I'm not saying it shouldn't be. And the Stargazer was Picard's first ship. But neither the Ent-B or the Stargazer were the main focus of an entire TV series or movie. It is what it is.
I figure the Ent B/Excelsior won't be in this, but I really think they should put it in instead of the JJPrise since that's more of an alternate universe thing and not in the prime universe.
What makes you think STO is in the 'Prime' universe itself? It's its own alternate Star Trek reality - was NEVER canon; and will probably be contradicted by Picard (and later series) so much that even die hards who want the "Well, STO isn't official canon but it lines up REALLY well with everything elsze in Trek for the most part..." won't be able to reconcile it.
Hell, they now have the 7of 9 model updated to match STP in the new Anniversary mission, yet in the 'Delta Rising' expansion, we have catsuit 7 of 9 - still working with the Daystrom Institutre and Starfleet directly (which is NOT what she's doing in STP at all). What? Did she get re-assimilated and then de-assimilated, and as a result, change her view on Star Fleet AGAIN as a result in the interviening 12 years between STP and STO?
Bottom line - The JJ Verse is MORE canon than STO now, or than STO ever was.
2 points:
1) Your comments are all correct. However regardless of whether STO is canon or not(from a real life perspective), the JJ-prise is still from an alternate timeline to STO's timeline(from an IN GAME perspective). The Excelsior is not.
2) To ME, a hero ship is a ship that was the "main" ship in a series/movie. The JJ-prise was, the Excelsior was not. So the JJ-prise fits into this pack better IMO. It's also clearly more of a selling point as far as popularity, no offense to Excelsior fans.
I think a lot of people disagree with #2. Enterprise B was an Excelsior class and was one of the hero ships of Generations (and it actually survived unlike the D.)
However more than that, the Excelsior played a major role in the TOS movies. The Ent refit blew up on the Genesis planet, and after playing with a kindly loaned BOP, the assumption was the crew would get an Excelsior because it was the next great thing in Starfleet. Instead they got a bucket of bolts (sorry Scotty) refurbished Connie renamed Ent A that barely survived the next two movies. It was fanservice, but it was also a sign of the times that the original crew was getting old and they were on the way out.
That old ship struggled in TUC with Kang threatening to defeat them easily and who came to the rescue? The new kid on the block, Sulu's Excelsior. Watch those battle scenes and they made it clear, the Ent A was old and outdated. The Excelsior took the hits far better than the Enterprise. It was in some ways the story of the young upstart that finally overtakes the proven, but stubborn. old master. The Excelsior was a hero ship in that movie, unquestionably, and the torch was passed as the old crew and ship were finally retired.
They will get around to giving ENT B or Excelsior its own series next Tuesday, I'm sure. Whether that ever comes (it probably won't) the succession was clear, the Excelsior would be the class to carry on where the Constitution left off.
I think a lot of people disagree with #2. Enterprise B was an Excelsior class and was one of the hero ships of Generations (and it actually survived unlike the D.)
However more than that, the Excelsior played a major role in the TOS movies.
I'm not disagreeing from a fan perspective. However all of the ships Cryptic put in that pack were the "main" ship of a series or movie. And even though the Excelsior did some cool things, it was not the "main" ship in the movie; the Enterprise was. So if Cryptic decided (correctly or not) that they were only going to use ships that were the "main" ship from a series/movie in the pack, then the Excelsior was not one of those options.
Actually, if you want Hero, the C Ambassador qualifies for what she did at Narenda.
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I agree her model/face looks improved, but they did NOT "take her our of the catsuit". Stop saying things that are clearly not true.
>The catsuit has always specifically referred to her silver Voyager uniform
>She is clearly not wearing said uniform in the screenshot you provided
>"Stop saying things that are clearly not true"
Huh?
Ok, so first you are wrong that ONLY the silver outfit was the "catsuit". Seven wore at least 3 of those type outfits in the show:
Those are ALL "catsuits", not just the silver one.
That point proven, you also falsely claimed they updated her model AND costume based on the Picard stuff. Here is what you actually wrote in case you forgot:
Likewise, Cryptic updated Seven's model, and text box dialog(though they didn't redo the VA lines), in Delta Rising, and took her out of the catsuit, and gave her more normal sounding speech, to make her like she is in both Picard and the new mission.
She never wore the silver uniform in this game. Ever since DR went live, which has been several YEARS now, she has always worn the silver/blue outfit like in that screenshot. So no, they did NOT change the outfit she was wearing in the recent updates they made.
I agree her model/face looks improved, but they did NOT "take her our of the catsuit". Stop saying things that are clearly not true.
>The catsuit has always specifically referred to her silver Voyager uniform
She didn't only wear the silver catsuit in Voyager, she also occasionally wore more cloth like catsuits of Various colors. The 'catsuit' terminology refers to the skin-tight, extremely form-fitting nature of those outfits.
I agree her model/face looks improved, but they did NOT "take her our of the catsuit". Stop saying things that are clearly not true.
>The catsuit has always specifically referred to her silver Voyager uniform
She didn't only wear the silver catsuit in Voyager, she also occasionally wore more cloth like catsuits of Various colors. The 'catsuit' terminology refers to the skin-tight, extremely form-fitting nature of those outfits.
Exactly. I updated my last post with pics of her other outfits.
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so they indeed did NOT take her out of the catsuit she had all the way back during DR's launch - just updated the graphics a bit by the looks of her current screenshot since the colors stand out more - though, that may be lighting 2.0
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Agree. That said, maybe you can help us out. When someone says something that clearly isn't true but isn't related to the topic of the thread, where should we address it? Should a new thread be created just to prove a single post wrong?
However all of the ships Cryptic put in that pack were the "main" ship of a series or movie.
The Odyssey is an exception to that, and there might be another exception as well. Imo the Excelsior probably should have taken the Odyssey's spot since the Odyssey isn't Canon (or at least isn't Canon yet).
Replace the Dauntless with the NX era Intrepid and I'll throw my money at that bundle! Probably wouldn't happen though since that ship isn't in the game at all right now.
i actually hope picard does canonize the odyssey - i didn't really used to like the design (it just looked odd) but compared to eyesores like the chimera with its massive zit deflector and crossfield with its far-too-small saucer for its far-too-large nacelles...the oddy is a beauty
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Yes its more like "tempting" some people
none can force us spend, ultimately its our decision
They haven't done anything like this before. You never had to buy the whole bundle before. This is already leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth that I'm not going to buy anything else packaged like this. Making customers feel bad or guilty isn't a good practice.
Yes I'm still choosing to buy it, maybe, but I'm already unhappy about it which is not good for future business between us. Again, there is no option here. I can't buy just the ships I want. I can't buy a portion of the bundle that has mostly ships I want. It is all or nothing.
Not really, my point is that there are a bunch of ships in the bundle that are likely unwanted by whomever is buying it, yet it is being sold to us as an inseparable package. Lots of other bundles I've broken because I didn't want all the ships in the bundle. Once I even changed my mind and bought the rest of the bundle afterwards, without complaint, because I had the option to buy it all and didn't think I wanted it at the time.
But with this I am "forced" to buy, for example, the Kelvin ship I'll never use along with the pretty new Sovereign. It is also very apparent that it is being used to inflate the price of the bundle, by virtue of being a box ship. I can't get the Sovereign if I don't. There is no choice here, buy everything or buy nothing. I am still considering buying nothing, as there are a lot of other things I could buy instead, some not sold by Cryptic/PWE.
Again, yes, If I buy it, it is solely my choice. That doesn't mean I buy it happily or without reluctance, and that is important to voice. I'm not a whale by any measure, just someone who can save up to make a big purchase now and then, so getting good value is still important to me.
yes, sorry, I misread your post, I thought that you were just talking about big bundle, and i forgot the fact that the ships won't be available out of the bundle.
I understand your frustration; I have never bought a single bundle, I just pick the ship that i need or want for spacebarbie
What makes you think STO is in the 'Prime' universe itself? It's its own alternate Star Trek reality - was NEVER canon; and will probably be contradicted by Picard (and later series) so much that even die hards who want the "Well, STO isn't official canon but it lines up REALLY well with everything elsze in Trek for the most part..." won't be able to reconcile it.
Bottom line - The JJ Verse is MORE canon than STO now, or than STO ever was.
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2 points:
1) Your comments are all correct. However regardless of whether STO is canon or not(from a real life perspective), the JJ-prise is still from an alternate timeline to STO's timeline(from an IN GAME perspective). The Excelsior is not.
2) To ME, a hero ship is a ship that was the "main" ship in a series/movie. The JJ-prise was, the Excelsior was not. So the JJ-prise fits into this pack better IMO. It's also clearly more of a selling point as far as popularity, no offense to Excelsior fans.
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That's not technically true. If you wanted the JHDC or JH Strike Wing Escort (previous T5 lockbox ships), you had to buy the entire Gamma Vanguard pack.
If you want to go T6 route, you have to buy the entire (horrible, imo) Picard bundle to get the Miradorn.
I'llhave to check that out - they actually re-did the Delta Rising missions that feature her character and rewrote some of her text? Lol - I guess I'll need to take a look - VOY was my least favorite Trek (stopped watching after "The 37's" although I did check out "Scorpion I & II" - and still didn't think it wwas worth returning to, and did catch the AGT style finale (Can Brannon Braga do ANYTHING besides convoluted and ridiculous Time travel gimmick stories?) -- So yeah, only one of my characters ran all the DR content (Hey, gotta at least give any new content a shot in STO - right?)
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Technically you're right, but T5 ships were not a major selling point of any major bundle at the time the Gamma pack came out. No you can't get them outside the bundle (unless you have the boxes and some luck) but you probably don't care about them either, given the rest of the ships in that pack. I highly doubt anyone is buying that bundle for those T5 ships and is annoyed that they have to get 7 other T6 ships to do it.
The Picard bundle is basically all about the Miradorn. If you want the Miradorn, you either get it from a box or you buy it outright with this bundle. There is no other T6 ship. If you don't want the only T6 ship in the bundle, you don't really have any good reason to buy this bundle. I'm not sure most people look at the bundle and don't simply see it as a rare T6 ship for $120.
Yeah, but the Enterprise B is the ship Kirk was on when he was "killed" so that's pretty important to me.
I played Broken Circle after the update, they did not update Seven's visual look (except possibly her hair). I didn't notice if they updated her voice.
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Hey, that's cool. I'm not saying it shouldn't be. And the Stargazer was Picard's first ship. But neither the Ent-B or the Stargazer were the main focus of an entire TV series or movie. It is what it is.
You're just wrong, ok? Here is a pic from the mission in game right NOW (as of this post):
I agree her model/face looks improved, but they did NOT "take her our of the catsuit". Stop saying things that are clearly not true.
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I think a lot of people disagree with #2. Enterprise B was an Excelsior class and was one of the hero ships of Generations (and it actually survived unlike the D.)
However more than that, the Excelsior played a major role in the TOS movies. The Ent refit blew up on the Genesis planet, and after playing with a kindly loaned BOP, the assumption was the crew would get an Excelsior because it was the next great thing in Starfleet. Instead they got a bucket of bolts (sorry Scotty) refurbished Connie renamed Ent A that barely survived the next two movies. It was fanservice, but it was also a sign of the times that the original crew was getting old and they were on the way out.
That old ship struggled in TUC with Kang threatening to defeat them easily and who came to the rescue? The new kid on the block, Sulu's Excelsior. Watch those battle scenes and they made it clear, the Ent A was old and outdated. The Excelsior took the hits far better than the Enterprise. It was in some ways the story of the young upstart that finally overtakes the proven, but stubborn. old master. The Excelsior was a hero ship in that movie, unquestionably, and the torch was passed as the old crew and ship were finally retired.
They will get around to giving ENT B or Excelsior its own series next Tuesday, I'm sure. Whether that ever comes (it probably won't) the succession was clear, the Excelsior would be the class to carry on where the Constitution left off.
I'm not disagreeing from a fan perspective. However all of the ships Cryptic put in that pack were the "main" ship of a series or movie. And even though the Excelsior did some cool things, it was not the "main" ship in the movie; the Enterprise was. So if Cryptic decided (correctly or not) that they were only going to use ships that were the "main" ship from a series/movie in the pack, then the Excelsior was not one of those options.
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Ok, so first you are wrong that ONLY the silver outfit was the "catsuit". Seven wore at least 3 of those type outfits in the show:
Those are ALL "catsuits", not just the silver one.
That point proven, you also falsely claimed they updated her model AND costume based on the Picard stuff. Here is what you actually wrote in case you forgot:
She never wore the silver uniform in this game. Ever since DR went live, which has been several YEARS now, she has always worn the silver/blue outfit like in that screenshot. So no, they did NOT change the outfit she was wearing in the recent updates they made.
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I agree, especially so with the huge role Sela plays in STO.
She didn't only wear the silver catsuit in Voyager, she also occasionally wore more cloth like catsuits of Various colors. The 'catsuit' terminology refers to the skin-tight, extremely form-fitting nature of those outfits.
Exactly. I updated my last post with pics of her other outfits.
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so they indeed did NOT take her out of the catsuit she had all the way back during DR's launch - just updated the graphics a bit by the looks of her current screenshot since the colors stand out more - though, that may be lighting 2.0
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Agree. That said, maybe you can help us out. When someone says something that clearly isn't true but isn't related to the topic of the thread, where should we address it? Should a new thread be created just to prove a single post wrong?
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
The Odyssey is an exception to that, and there might be another exception as well. Imo the Excelsior probably should have taken the Odyssey's spot since the Odyssey isn't Canon (or at least isn't Canon yet).
Replace the Dauntless with the NX era Intrepid and I'll throw my money at that bundle! Probably wouldn't happen though since that ship isn't in the game at all right now.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"