Ah, there is it, the first 6-Sci console capable science ship. I confess I am curious about the new intrepid's capability as a drain boat. It's just a shame about those 2 tac consoles; effectively forces the ship into an exotic torpedo armament.
It doesn't force her into anything. Yea she may not hit as hard as a cruiser or escort with her weapons alone, but she's also got science to back up the weapons.
THIS! SO much this!
It's a SCIENCE ship! Honestly - these posts saying "blah blah not enough Tactical" are painfully disappointing and support the Devs' thought that 'Science ships don't sell'.
Yes, the Intrepid is a science ship, however the Warship variant doesn't look anything like a science ship and deserves large tactical focus. On the top portion of the saucer alone I counted 29 phasers, that's a LOT more than any cruiser or escort. The Warship Intrepid should at the very least be a Science Destroyer, possibly even an Escort or Warship.
^^ THIS! SO much this!
The Kyrian misunderstood the nature of Voyager, and thought it was an absurdly Tactical ship. Logically, that misconception should have carried over to 'our' Warship Voyager. At least somewhat.
Having said that, I can't really envision Voyager as an Esort/Destroyer. And let it never be said one cannot do wickedly awesome damage with Science. And 6x Science consoles, that's going to make for an excessive amount of those Krenim CtrlX/EPG consoles. Let the carnage commence!
And let it never be said one cannot do wickedly awesome damage with Science. And 6x Science consoles, that's going to make for an excessive amount of those Krenim CtrlX/EPG consoles. Let the carnage commence!
I'm not trying to say Science is bad, just that a ship with a design philosophy of "more guns, more guns, MORE GUNS!" should be focused on effectively using those guns.
I bet they will release them individually too, though at a high price and probably after a year or so. Why? Just like the Delta Rising pack, which was set out to be cash only (which I bought) only to be released in the C-Store shortly after. These marketing tactics are being used since clearly they bring in more cash than selling at lower rates or to more people.
The pack is worth less and less the more of its contents one already owns.
Personally, even if this was a Romulan & Jem'Hadar ship set, I'd have to consider its actual personal worth based on what I already have.
Some of these look interesting enough, but I have so many ships and multiple versions already. At some point these guys have to realize that they've mined the vein dry or that purchases have diminishing return on investment. None of these offers but a slight variation on existing. $200USD for a bunch of stuff that I already have and don't ever use and a few skins is ludicrous to me. At the absolute least I feel it should be prorated; all the packs should. Even Steam can manage prorating. It's starting to feel like Apple "buy the all new iNtrepid2020 it's 10% shinier!". Every ship that I get devalues the next. I have some 130 odd ships, now. Really, though, it's a dozen classes with 100+ skins, tiered rank skins, premium skins and variant power skins. I've got ships and Zstore tokens in boxes I haven't even opened.
I'm at the level where a new ship just isn't appealing at $20-40USD if I have something similar already. I've long passed being interested in paying full price for a trait or console on a throwaway ship. I'd rather just have paid you a nominal fee for an account unlock trait or skin. I can not be alone in this. Two years ago I would have been pretty damn excited by this pack, I suppose, but now I simply don't require any more.
You know what I would pay $200USD for, though? A Z-store Phoenix ship bundle. It just irritates me that I missed all those events. I might also be swayed by a TOS skin for the Disconnie on this pack, but that's just my opinion.
I'm not trying to be unnecessarily negative here, but I feel it should be expressed that at some point, the consumer is sated and the same value is not necessarily attached to the same goods. I'm beginning to run low on things to buy that aren't worthless to me, or priced too highly for me to really value with my current level of investment. Oh well. Back to blasting Borg and Klingon on Klingon violence.
So far there is one lobi ship, two lock box ships, and one infinity class ship, and the vizier trait and a bunch of MW ships and yet people are still complaining about the price. Go figure. Even at full price the legendary premium bundle would be infinitely cheaper then buying these ships piecemeal. It's pretty funny when you look at it. The players who purchased these ships at Mudd pricing (seeing into it that by this bundles estimation even an infinity box ship should only cost around $25-$30.00 but we paid 10x's that) and actually support the game beforehand get slapped in the face by cryptic and its still not enough to make the players who don't own them happy. This is pretty much why I don't support the game financially anymore. There's no upside.
I will get this bundle but for my money they will have to continue releasing these types of bundles or I won't purchase anything.
People complaining don't want everything in the bundle. There's no value to a ship you'll never fly with a trait you'll never actually use anyway. It doesn't matter whether its a close copy of a promo or lockbox ship at all. If you don't want it, who cares what the discount is, you're not actually interested in buying it.
Well, with the extra Universal Console slot and the plethora of Tactically supporting Universal Consoles these days, you can certainly get your Warship to be more Tactical. Mixed Armaments Synergy is also in play. So you're not going to get 1.21 jigawatts of output. You guys are the super magicians of DPS builds, adapt.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Cryptic has stated that we must buy the bundle if we want any of these ships & it might only be sold for a limited time, Ambassador Kael paraphrasing, which is 1 of those pressure sales tactics you see in infocommercials.
If/when Cryptic decides to allow sales of these ships individually I highly suspect their price will be even more of a premium so there will be increased cost or a loss of some of the bundle perks is my guess, knowing Cryptic at least 4k zen or higher per ship beckoning the next tier of ships at least in cost.
Face it, Cryptic wants to make money & we as players/customers can supply that, only allowing a limited time to sell these ships, bundle or not, doesn't make financial sense.
Cryptic has stated that we must buy the bundle if we want any of these ships & it might only be sold for a limited time, Ambassador Kael paraphrasing, which is 1 of those pressure sales tactics you see in infocommercials.
If/when Cryptic decides to allow sales of these ships individually I highly suspect their price will be even more of a premium so there will be increased cost or a loss of some of the bundle perks is my guess, knowing Cryptic at least 4k zen or higher per ship beckoning the next tier of ships at least in cost.
Face it, Cryptic wants to make money & we as players/customers can supply that, only allowing a limited time to sell these ships, bundle or not, doesn't make financial sense.
It's the sold for a limited time what really worries me...anyone can eventually save up and buy the pack but if it's limited time it's all about getting people to spend the money on it, perhaps making a hasty purchase because people don't want to lose the opportunity.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Welp I guess the Edit Monster got my post… anyway try again:
My go to SCI build is just a pretty ordinary full EPG Grav Well thing.
Pull everything in one spot then blast it with Polaron cannon scatter volley and Gravimetric Torp on spread. Get the detoriating deflector working and it melts about everything except Tzenkethi I guess.
For that purpose the current lockbox Crossfield is perfect IMO.
Before the Crossfield I used the Tac Vesta T5 and T6 for that. Pretty similar layout.
What I like on these ships is: Cannons, 4 Tac & 5 Sci consoles, LtComdr Uni which allows me to mount two decent Tac Boff.
My build only really requires a Cmdr Sci to work and every Sci ship got that.
I of course take another lower Sci station, no problem.
But if I trade that for Tac it kinda is a bad deal.
The issue for me is obviously that I own the lockbox Crossfield. So any new ship needs to be able t do it equally.
And I do not see either of these Legendaries to do that.
There are of course other builds and for those it might be cool ships. I just can’t think of stuff…
It is not that I want Sci ships with less Sci and more Tac. I want Sci ships with Sci and Tac. I rather sacrifice Eng in terms of possible abilities and consoles.
My Crossfield has only one Eng ability and only one Eng console mounted. I don’t care for Eng on Sci ships.
If glass cannon then full on glass cannon. (Not that it is that glass anyway)
I've removed the last portion of your quote, if your new post disappears as well then that's most likely that part that did it as you mention things we aren't allowed to discuss here yet (I've had many of my own posts on these topics get deleted as well).
I for one love the look of the new Intrepid...I love the Boff layout and the added hangar bay just makes me love it ever so!
Besides if you want a more tactical Science ship the Glenn is right there.
My complaint isn't strictly about wanting a tactical science ship, rather I want a ship that looks like the Warship Intrepid to, you know, actually have stats that are fitting for a warship. It's a beautiful instrument of death and destruction with possibly more guns than an Imperial Star Destroyer, and therefore it deserves more than 3/3 weapons, a Lt Tactical seat, and only 2 Tactical consoles. Swap the layouts of the Glenn and the Warship and I'd feel a better about it, but even that isn't what I would expect from a ship with guns attached to anything and everything.
It does kind of feel like the people making the ship stats & the people making the Warship Voyager skin were working on two different projects.
..actually, that seems like it's the case. Look at the description of the Multi-Mission Science Vessel:
The Legendary Miracle Worker Multi-Mission Science Vessel is equipped to explore the far reaches of the unknown and make it back home again. Designed using lessons learned from the U.S.S. Voyager’s trek across the Delta Quadrant under Captain Kathryn Janeway and Chief Engineer B’Elanna Torres,
Nothing in that implies "warship" or any connection to the in-show "Warship Voyager" concept. It's just "here's an improved Intrepid refit". /shrug
It's the sold for a limited time what really worries me...anyone can eventually save up and buy the pack but if it's limited time it's all about getting people to spend the money on it, perhaps making a hasty purchase because people don't want to lose the opportunity.
Even If it is a limited time it will just be like the promo pack ships, where it pops up again at least every few months.
Also, they probably need to sell it at $300 for a short time at least once, to get around consumer protection laws about fake sale prices.
Cryptic has stated that we must buy the bundle if we want any of these ships & it might only be sold for a limited time, Ambassador Kael paraphrasing, which is 1 of those pressure sales tactics you see in infocommercials.
ME: I'd love to have 2 cupcakes, please.
BAKERY: Are you crazy?! If you buy the entire bundle, for $300, you'll save enormously, compared to buying them individually!
ME: Yes, but I really only want 2.
BAKERY: Don't break the bundle!!
ME: Yeah, but I don't want to spend several hundred bucks on 10 cupcakes; I only want 2.
BAKERY: Look, cupcake, you'll take the entire bundle, or walk!
Some of these look interesting enough, but I have so many ships and multiple versions already. At some point these guys have to realize that they've mined the vein dry or that purchases have diminishing return on investment. ...
I'm not trying to be unnecessarily negative here, but I feel it should be expressed that at some point, the consumer is sated and the same value is not necessarily attached to the same goods. I'm beginning to run low on things to buy that aren't worthless to me, or priced too highly for me to really value with my current level of investment. Oh well. Back to blasting Borg and Klingon on Klingon violence.
This is going to be true for many people who already own 20+ ships, but MMOs continually lose old players and gain new ones who own nothing at all.
Some people who will buy this pack:
- Newer players who don't already own 20+ ships
- Completists / collectors
- People who like several of the ships or new traits
- People who really want at least 1-2 of the ships, and accept that the price is about the same as buying 1 single-character promo pack ship or 2 single-character lock box ships from the exchange. (It's actually cheaper than the average cost of getting 1 ship by opening boxes, since those odds are 1 in 250 for boxes, 1 in 100 for packs.)
I'm in the "own an armada already" camp myself, so I'm waiting to see what the last 2 ships are before making a decision.
Also, I'm all for selling Phoenix epic tokens through Mudd's Market to help fund the game, since the odds of getting one from Phoenix boxes are very very low.
Cryptic has stated that we must buy the bundle if we want any of these ships & it might only be sold for a limited time, Ambassador Kael paraphrasing, which is 1 of those pressure sales tactics you see in infocommercials.
ME: I'd love to have 2 cupcakes, please.
BAKERY: Are you crazy?! If you buy the entire bundle, for $300, you'll save enormously, compared to buying them individually!
ME: Yes, but I really only want 2.
BAKERY: Don't break the bundle!!
ME: Yeah, but I don't want to spend several hundred bucks on 10 cupcakes; I only want 2.
BAKERY: Look, cupcake, you'll take the entire bundle, or walk!
/me walking out of the store.
Bad comparison or analogy. Buying cupcakes is one thing, buying starships is another especially when they are in a bundle for now (wonder if that was due to CBS' input). That is like comparing apples to oranges.
Cryptic has stated that we must buy the bundle if we want any of these ships & it might only be sold for a limited time, Ambassador Kael paraphrasing, which is 1 of those pressure sales tactics you see in infocommercials.
ME: I'd love to have 2 cupcakes, please.
BAKERY: Are you crazy?! If you buy the entire bundle, for $300, you'll save enormously, compared to buying them individually!
ME: Yes, but I really only want 2.
BAKERY: Don't break the bundle!!
ME: Yeah, but I don't want to spend several hundred bucks on 10 cupcakes; I only want 2.
BAKERY: Look, cupcake, you'll take the entire bundle, or walk!
/me walking out of the store.
Bad comparison or analogy. Buying cupcakes is one thing, buying starships is another especially when they are in a bundle for now (wonder if that was due to CBS' input). That is like comparing apples to oranges.
I think a better analogy would be DVD sets. They're not priced to be broken apart and sold individually, so most stores don't.
Cryptic has stated that we must buy the bundle if we want any of these ships & it might only be sold for a limited time, Ambassador Kael paraphrasing, which is 1 of those pressure sales tactics you see in infocommercials.
ME: I'd love to have 2 cupcakes, please.
BAKERY: Are you crazy?! If you buy the entire bundle, for $300, you'll save enormously, compared to buying them individually!
ME: Yes, but I really only want 2.
BAKERY: Don't break the bundle!!
ME: Yeah, but I don't want to spend several hundred bucks on 10 cupcakes; I only want 2.
BAKERY: Look, cupcake, you'll take the entire bundle, or walk!
/me walking out of the store.
Bad comparison or analogy. Buying cupcakes is one thing, buying starships is another especially when they are in a bundle for now (wonder if that was due to CBS' input). That is like comparing apples to oranges.
I think a better analogy would be DVD sets. They're not priced to be broken apart and sold individually, so most stores don't.
Cryptic has stated that we must buy the bundle if we want any of these ships & it might only be sold for a limited time, Ambassador Kael paraphrasing, which is 1 of those pressure sales tactics you see in infocommercials.
ME: I'd love to have 2 cupcakes, please.
BAKERY: Are you crazy?! If you buy the entire bundle, for $300, you'll save enormously, compared to buying them individually!
ME: Yes, but I really only want 2.
BAKERY: Don't break the bundle!!
ME: Yeah, but I don't want to spend several hundred bucks on 10 cupcakes; I only want 2.
BAKERY: Look, cupcake, you'll take the entire bundle, or walk!
/me walking out of the store.
This example doesn't work. There are probably dozens of bakeries within 100 miles of this hypothetical bakery of yours. Competition would prevent such pricing. Since you actually could go to another bakery down the street. This is not the same case in STO.
For STO, there is no real competitor. The lame mobile Star Trek games aren't even worth talking about and there is no modern Star Trek game that can compete with STO. STO can more easily dictate terms and prices and the players have shown over time that they are more than willing to pay the prices that Cryptic demands.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Cryptic has stated that we must buy the bundle if we want any of these ships & it might only be sold for a limited time, Ambassador Kael paraphrasing, which is 1 of those pressure sales tactics you see in infocommercials.
ME: I'd love to have 2 cupcakes, please.
BAKERY: Are you crazy?! If you buy the entire bundle, for $300, you'll save enormously, compared to buying them individually!
ME: Yes, but I really only want 2.
BAKERY: Don't break the bundle!!
ME: Yeah, but I don't want to spend several hundred bucks on 10 cupcakes; I only want 2.
BAKERY: Look, cupcake, you'll take the entire bundle, or walk!
/me walking out of the store.
Since it's Bad Analogy Time, let's go with the classic Bad Car Analogy!
ME: I'd like to buy the right front wheel of this Tesla, it's the only part I like.
TESLA: Sorry, we only sell complete cars.
ME: Yeah, but I just want to pay you $30 for this wheel, it's the only part I like.
TESLA: Sorry, we only sell complete cars.
As many of you have said, and I whole heartedly agree this pack price is simply to much. But let’s look at the arguments. Having worked in retail for over two decades, my habit of thought is to appeal to the largest number of customers... the majority, not the minority. I literally have products that I make less then 10 cents on, but I carry it because the customer wants it, and it leads to other purchases. So in my thinking, break up the bundle by Era, and sell it in more bite sized portions, allowing more customers to rationalize it. Let’s be honest, the price itself when looked at rationally isn’t all that bad, it’s just all at once. If you broke it up into say four era bundles, at 50.00 each, your still getting the same cost, but more people can rationalize 50 at a time. He’ll playing paintball one day easily costs that for four or five hours of fun, and when I had my own paintball store I played every week with my customers, so I can rationalize 50 easily. But for some reason, 200 at once makes a lot of us balk... go way to much. We will spend it. We will buy it. But doing so in smaller increments would allow more customers to rationalize the purchase, do it for more customers, at a faster rate. I’m not going to get down on anyone who will buy it... cause you know what? I might. But even if I don’t, I still won’t. If you can buy it, want it, and can afford it. Have at it my friends. But try to understand where the ones who can’t or won’t are coming from? If you did not lower the price, but just broke it up, you would accomplish several things, one... appealing to many more customers, there for making more money. Two... appealing to your customers and fans, letting them know that you heard us, you stepped back and thought about it, and then did this. Your still making your money, but doing it in a way that the customers asked, so making them feel like part of the solution. And three... appealed to the customers who are just dieing to own and fly X ship but hasn’t been able to get one through the lockbox, or through the exchange, so again... making the customer happy. Just my thoughts... love the designs and the work you guys have done. I could wish for more ship building, be able to actually make your own ship. Or at the least be able to explore, walk around more of the ship. Explore decks and decks of them, I would happily crawl around the jefferies tubes of my Crossfield, for literally hours learning the ins and outs of my ship if I could. I would spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars to build a ship completely, with full exploration options. But alas I can’t. Sorry went way afield on that.. my bad captains. Anyway that’s my two or three cents worth
- Paragraphs, please learn to use them.
- It's rude to start your own duplicate thread when there are already ongoing discussions, just to try to make your comments stand out.
Both analogies are faulty. It's like buying a pack of chocolates. There are those delicious Marzipan-Walnut ones you love, but the rest is pretty meh and the nougat ones you are even allergic to. But if you want the Marzipan-Walnut you buy the whole pack since they aren't sold seperately.
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Cryptic has stated that we must buy the bundle if we want any of these ships & it might only be sold for a limited time, Ambassador Kael paraphrasing, which is 1 of those pressure sales tactics you see in infocommercials.
ME: I'd love to have 2 cupcakes, please.
BAKERY: Are you crazy?! If you buy the entire bundle, for $300, you'll save enormously, compared to buying them individually!
ME: Yes, but I really only want 2.
BAKERY: Don't break the bundle!!
ME: Yeah, but I don't want to spend several hundred bucks on 10 cupcakes; I only want 2.
BAKERY: Look, cupcake, you'll take the entire bundle, or walk!
/me walking out of the store.
This example doesn't work. There are probably dozens of bakeries within 100 miles of this hypothetical bakery of yours. Competition would prevent such pricing. Since you actually could go to another bakery down the street. This is not the same case in STO.
For STO, there is no real competitor. The lame mobile Star Trek games aren't even worth talking about and there is no modern Star Trek game that can compete with STO. STO can more easily dictate terms and prices and the players have shown over time that they are more than willing to pay the prices that Cryptic demands.
Sure, I can't get my 2 cupcakes elsewhere. So, it's essentially a "Take it, or leave it" deal. To which I concluded I can do the latter. I still have that choice.
As for those bringing up DVD's, thanks for making my point. Because I remember you arguing, very recently, that Cryptic probably has pretty solid marketing numbers to justify their sales plans. I believe you. But... so do the bean counters at iTunes, for example. And they have understood, a long ago already, that you don't lose tons of money for selling many music tracks individually, instead of the whole album a few times -- and I submit to you, that the marketing department of Apple dwarfs that of Cryptic a thousandfold.
So, it's all a matter of what sales strategy one chooses. And I'm fine with that. But it keeps coming down, for me, to still only needing 2 cupcakes, not 10. I want the new Intrepid, and maybe a T6 Connie; and the rest? I either already have the earlier versions of those ships, or I don't care about them. So I keep coming back to concluding that $300 for effectively 2 cupcakes (as I can't sell the other 8) is simply too much for me.
Both analogies are faulty. It's like buying a pack of chocolates. There are those delicious Marzipan-Walnut ones you love, but the rest is pretty meh and the nougat ones you are even allergic to. But if you want the Marzipan-Walnut you buy the whole pack since they aren't sold seperately.
Just because another retailer uses the same faulty marketing strategy, that doesn't justify it as a good idea.
It's clear that this pack is targeted at the highest spending players in the game, we'll see if it works out for them.. but personally, I am going to join the majority and pass on this bundle. With the current state of the game, I can't see myself putting $200-$300 into it.. it just seems like a bad buy.
I wish them luck, hopefully it sells and keeps the game going.. but it's clearly not for me. Like many, I would be interested in one or two ships as single purchases, but I don't expect that to ever be an option.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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^^ THIS! SO much this!
The Kyrian misunderstood the nature of Voyager, and thought it was an absurdly Tactical ship. Logically, that misconception should have carried over to 'our' Warship Voyager. At least somewhat.
Having said that, I can't really envision Voyager as an Esort/Destroyer. And let it never be said one cannot do wickedly awesome damage with Science.
I'm not trying to say Science is bad, just that a ship with a design philosophy of "more guns, more guns, MORE GUNS!" should be focused on effectively using those guns.
The pack is worth less and less the more of its contents one already owns.
Personally, even if this was a Romulan & Jem'Hadar ship set, I'd have to consider its actual personal worth based on what I already have.
I'm at the level where a new ship just isn't appealing at $20-40USD if I have something similar already. I've long passed being interested in paying full price for a trait or console on a throwaway ship. I'd rather just have paid you a nominal fee for an account unlock trait or skin. I can not be alone in this. Two years ago I would have been pretty damn excited by this pack, I suppose, but now I simply don't require any more.
You know what I would pay $200USD for, though? A Z-store Phoenix ship bundle. It just irritates me that I missed all those events. I might also be swayed by a TOS skin for the Disconnie on this pack, but that's just my opinion.
I'm not trying to be unnecessarily negative here, but I feel it should be expressed that at some point, the consumer is sated and the same value is not necessarily attached to the same goods. I'm beginning to run low on things to buy that aren't worthless to me, or priced too highly for me to really value with my current level of investment. Oh well. Back to blasting Borg and Klingon on Klingon violence.
People complaining don't want everything in the bundle. There's no value to a ship you'll never fly with a trait you'll never actually use anyway. It doesn't matter whether its a close copy of a promo or lockbox ship at all. If you don't want it, who cares what the discount is, you're not actually interested in buying it.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
If/when Cryptic decides to allow sales of these ships individually I highly suspect their price will be even more of a premium so there will be increased cost or a loss of some of the bundle perks is my guess, knowing Cryptic at least 4k zen or higher per ship beckoning the next tier of ships at least in cost.
Face it, Cryptic wants to make money & we as players/customers can supply that, only allowing a limited time to sell these ships, bundle or not, doesn't make financial sense.
It's the sold for a limited time what really worries me...anyone can eventually save up and buy the pack but if it's limited time it's all about getting people to spend the money on it, perhaps making a hasty purchase because people don't want to lose the opportunity.
Besides if you want a more tactical Science ship the Glenn is right there.
I've removed the last portion of your quote, if your new post disappears as well then that's most likely that part that did it as you mention things we aren't allowed to discuss here yet (I've had many of my own posts on these topics get deleted as well).
My complaint isn't strictly about wanting a tactical science ship, rather I want a ship that looks like the Warship Intrepid to, you know, actually have stats that are fitting for a warship. It's a beautiful instrument of death and destruction with possibly more guns than an Imperial Star Destroyer, and therefore it deserves more than 3/3 weapons, a Lt Tactical seat, and only 2 Tactical consoles. Swap the layouts of the Glenn and the Warship and I'd feel a better about it, but even that isn't what I would expect from a ship with guns attached to anything and everything.
..actually, that seems like it's the case. Look at the description of the Multi-Mission Science Vessel:
Nothing in that implies "warship" or any connection to the in-show "Warship Voyager" concept. It's just "here's an improved Intrepid refit". /shrug
Even If it is a limited time it will just be like the promo pack ships, where it pops up again at least every few months.
Also, they probably need to sell it at $300 for a short time at least once, to get around consumer protection laws about fake sale prices.
ME: I'd love to have 2 cupcakes, please.
BAKERY: Are you crazy?! If you buy the entire bundle, for $300, you'll save enormously, compared to buying them individually!
ME: Yes, but I really only want 2.
BAKERY: Don't break the bundle!!
ME: Yeah, but I don't want to spend several hundred bucks on 10 cupcakes; I only want 2.
BAKERY: Look, cupcake, you'll take the entire bundle, or walk!
/me walking out of the store.
This is going to be true for many people who already own 20+ ships, but MMOs continually lose old players and gain new ones who own nothing at all.
Some people who will buy this pack:
- Newer players who don't already own 20+ ships
- Completists / collectors
- People who like several of the ships or new traits
- People who really want at least 1-2 of the ships, and accept that the price is about the same as buying 1 single-character promo pack ship or 2 single-character lock box ships from the exchange. (It's actually cheaper than the average cost of getting 1 ship by opening boxes, since those odds are 1 in 250 for boxes, 1 in 100 for packs.)
I'm in the "own an armada already" camp myself, so I'm waiting to see what the last 2 ships are before making a decision.
Also, I'm all for selling Phoenix epic tokens through Mudd's Market to help fund the game, since the odds of getting one from Phoenix boxes are very very low.
Bad comparison or analogy. Buying cupcakes is one thing, buying starships is another especially when they are in a bundle for now (wonder if that was due to CBS' input). That is like comparing apples to oranges.
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I could agree with that analogy.
This example doesn't work. There are probably dozens of bakeries within 100 miles of this hypothetical bakery of yours. Competition would prevent such pricing. Since you actually could go to another bakery down the street. This is not the same case in STO.
For STO, there is no real competitor. The lame mobile Star Trek games aren't even worth talking about and there is no modern Star Trek game that can compete with STO. STO can more easily dictate terms and prices and the players have shown over time that they are more than willing to pay the prices that Cryptic demands.
Since it's Bad Analogy Time, let's go with the classic Bad Car Analogy!
ME: I'd like to buy the right front wheel of this Tesla, it's the only part I like.
TESLA: Sorry, we only sell complete cars.
ME: Yeah, but I just want to pay you $30 for this wheel, it's the only part I like.
TESLA: Sorry, we only sell complete cars.
As many of you have said, and I whole heartedly agree this pack price is simply to much. But let’s look at the arguments.
Having worked in retail for over two decades, my habit of thought is to appeal to the largest number of customers... the majority, not the minority. I literally have products that I make less then 10 cents on, but I carry it because the customer wants it, and it leads to other purchases. So in my thinking, break up the bundle by Era, and sell it in more bite sized portions, allowing more customers to rationalize it.
Let’s be honest, the price itself when looked at rationally isn’t all that bad, it’s just all at once. If you broke it up into say four era bundles, at 50.00 each, your still getting the same cost, but more people can rationalize 50 at a time. He’ll playing paintball one day easily costs that for four or five hours of fun, and when I had my own paintball store I played every week with my customers, so I can rationalize 50 easily. But for some reason, 200 at once makes a lot of us balk... go way to much. We will spend it. We will buy it. But doing so in smaller increments would allow more customers to rationalize the purchase, do it for more customers, at a faster rate.
I’m not going to get down on anyone who will buy it... cause you know what? I might. But even if I don’t, I still won’t. If you can buy it, want it, and can afford it. Have at it my friends. But try to understand where the ones who can’t or won’t are coming from?
If you did not lower the price, but just broke it up, you would accomplish several things, one... appealing to many more customers, there for making more money. Two... appealing to your customers and fans, letting them know that you heard us, you stepped back and thought about it, and then did this. Your still making your money, but doing it in a way that the customers asked, so making them feel like part of the solution. And three... appealed to the customers who are just dieing to own and fly X ship but hasn’t been able to get one through the lockbox, or through the exchange, so again... making the customer happy.
Just my thoughts... love the designs and the work you guys have done. I could wish for more ship building, be able to actually make your own ship. Or at the least be able to explore, walk around more of the ship. Explore decks and decks of them, I would happily crawl around the jefferies tubes of my Crossfield, for literally hours learning the ins and outs of my ship if I could. I would spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars to build a ship completely, with full exploration options. But alas I can’t. Sorry went way afield on that.. my bad captains. Anyway that’s my two or three cents worth
- It's rude to start your own duplicate thread when there are already ongoing discussions, just to try to make your comments stand out.
Boo, hiss!
Not all of us can afford 300 clams on something like this.
All I wanted was the Beyond skin and Phase 2 skin. X_x;
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Sure, I can't get my 2 cupcakes elsewhere. So, it's essentially a "Take it, or leave it" deal. To which I concluded I can do the latter. I still have that choice.
As for those bringing up DVD's, thanks for making my point.
So, it's all a matter of what sales strategy one chooses. And I'm fine with that. But it keeps coming down, for me, to still only needing 2 cupcakes, not 10. I want the new Intrepid, and maybe a T6 Connie; and the rest? I either already have the earlier versions of those ships, or I don't care about them. So I keep coming back to concluding that $300 for effectively 2 cupcakes (as I can't sell the other 8) is simply too much for me.
Just because another retailer uses the same faulty marketing strategy, that doesn't justify it as a good idea.
It's clear that this pack is targeted at the highest spending players in the game, we'll see if it works out for them.. but personally, I am going to join the majority and pass on this bundle. With the current state of the game, I can't see myself putting $200-$300 into it.. it just seems like a bad buy.
I wish them luck, hopefully it sells and keeps the game going.. but it's clearly not for me. Like many, I would be interested in one or two ships as single purchases, but I don't expect that to ever be an option.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'