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  • borgdp010#9382 borgdp010 Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    also my 2 cents:

    2 ships for each faction (assuming we already got the walker) and still 12k zen for the pack?!
    sorry but it ain't worth even 6k then.
    once per account (char unlocks) are an absolute deal breaker.
    sorry folks but come up with a better offer: max. 6k zen with special sale on it AND account unlocks on all items.
  • nikolunusnikolunus Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    iamynaught wrote: »
    Last night, I posted that the sale was generous. And it is, I mean 30% off is a large discount.

    However, I was in a rush and looking back on that comment, it may have seemed like I was fine with this pack at 8400 zen if they made the BOff's and combat pet account unlocks instead of once for a single character. That is not the case. The value of this pack is sorely lacking in my eyes.

    At best, 5 ships if you don't already own the Discovery Starter Pack, one of them not meant for endgame and only 2 for Fed and 2 for KDF, no cross faction ships. Sorry Roms and Jems. Though I guess Roms and Jems should be able to at least fly their Allies ships. But no confirmation on that so far. Let's say they relent and allow the BOff's and combat pet to be account wide. There are also 2 apparently full uniforms, 1 for Fed, 1 for KDF along with a Federation 'head' costume unlock. Lastly are some Upgrade kits, some XP boosts and 10 Master Keys. All for 12k Zen off sale. (There may be a discount for those who already own the Discovery Starter Pack, but none has been mentioned.)

    Looking at the other non-Starter packs at their normal price we have the Romulan (15k Zen), Delta (15k Zen), Temporal (13k Zen) and Gamma (13k Zen).

    Looking back now, it would seem that the Romulan pack, at least in this age of T6 ships, may be slightly overpriced. But then you see what you get and there are 9 ships (Romulan only), 5 meant for endgame and 4 others not. Also included is a BOff that is account wide (Romulans only), a playable small ship/fighter/shuttle (Romulan only), a species unlock, a pack of 3 Duty Officers that is account wide (Romulans only), 2 Romulan only uniforms and 30 master keys.

    Next up is the Delta pack with 9 total endgame ships. No crossfaction ships, so 5 Fed, 2 Romulan and 2 KDF. There are 2 account wide uniform unlocks with no restrictions. We also get 3 BOffs and 3 DOffs that are per character. Last but not least are 3 Ship Upgrade Tokens (takes certain T5 ships to T5-U, allowing them to be endgame worthy) and 3 Upgrade kits.

    Moving on to the Temporal pack and here we have 12 total ships, with at least 7 of them being meant for endgame*. There is an account wide EV suit (Fed only) and 6 uniforms (Fed only), plus an account wide BOff (Fed only). There are 6 Temporal Operative Specialization Qualifications and 3 Upgrade kits as well.

    Last but not least we have the Gamma pack with 10 cross faction, endgame ready ships along with 2 species unlocks that allow play on either Fed or KDF side. One account wide uniform and an account wide EV suit. Closing out the pack are 3 account wide BOff's, 2 large XP boosts and 3 upgrade kits.

    Older packs seem to have much more value to them than this new pack, So, let's only compare the things that will likely matter the most to players; ships, additional personnel, uniforms and additional lower value items. Then see where *I* rank them. Titles hold ZERO value to me, so I won't even acknowledge them.

    Ships -
    1. Gamma
    2. Temporal
    3. Delta
    4. Romulan
    5. Discovery

    This one is tough to judge. If we go by total, it would be Temporal wining. But, you have to look at all sides and KDF/Roms/Jems only get access to 3 of the ships. (Unless some of those ships are in the list that Roms and Jems can fly, then that would make it better for them, obviously. But KDF are left out here.) Despite the Romulan pack ships being Rom restricted, there are simply more of them. The 5 endgame ships will require upgrade tokens to make them truly endgame worthy, but even then they get the edge. They also get a small craft so that is always usable, though may not be as useful.

    Additional personnel - This will include BOff's, DOff's combat pets and unlocked species.

    1. Gamma
    2. Delta
    3. Romulan
    4. Temporal
    5. Discovery

    Tough to call on this one, but I put Gamma first due to the 2 species unlocks. Just barely though. I put Romulan ahead of Temporal in this instance because while both Romulan and Temporal Bundles have a restricted BOff, the Romulan pack also offers the pack of 3 DOff's.

    Uniforms - I will include the EV suits in this section as they can be worn as a visual.

    1. Delta
    2. Temporal
    3. Gamma
    4. Discovery
    5. Romulan

    Another difficult one to rank this, and this is just my opinion, but with the Delta uniforms being cross faction, they get the nod simply because they are open to everyone. Temporal obviously has more uniforms, but they are restricted to Fed only. It's the sheer number that kept it ahead of the Gamma pack this time, though the EV suit in the Gamma pack is account wide and not faction restricted like the Temporal EV suit. And I'll probably get some hate for it, but while the Discovery Uniforms only really contain 1 uni for Fed (plus a new head detail) and 1 uni for KDF, I think the fact it has broader reach than the 2 Romulan uniforms gives it a slight edge.

    Other items - This would be the XP boosts, the upgrade tokens and keys.

    1. Delta
    2. Temporal
    3. Gamma
    4. Discovery* & Romulan*

    With the #4 and #5 spots, this gets kind of confusing, so it's a tie. I'd like to put the Discovery pack at #4 if the player doesn't own the Discovery Starter pack already simply due to the items that would come with the starter pack. An additional XP boost and the extra Inventory slots, that are unfortunately locked to the character who purchases it, are not bad. And then the non-combat pet and scaling weapons are decent for alts who are still leveling. With only keys in the Romulan pack, even though it is 30 keys, there's just not enough 'extra' to give it an edge. But, that's also 20 extra chances at getting a big ticket item, and at the very least 80 Lobi. Hmm... yeah, tie.

    I'd have to say the best value pack we've gotten so far is the Gamma Pack. The number of items is just immense, especially compared to the upcoming Discovery pack. For 1k more Zen you get 6 additional ships that also happen to be CROSS FACTION. Just for that alone, it makes it more worth the money.

    I'm willing to bet more will be added to the new Discovery pack. Maybe 1 or more ships, hopefully for both factions and not just Fed. I can see them "allowing" the BOff's and combat pet to be unlocked account wide.

    Who knows what else they may add, if anything, but even if they add 2 more ships for BOTH Fed and KDF, it's still not worth 12k Zen to me. A price STARTING at 10k Zen with the above listed additions would seem fair, then that 30% sale would put it at 7k Zen, which would be a price I could see myself going for.

    With the pack as it stands now though, BUT with the BOff's and combat pet being account unlocks, (this is a deal breaker, no matter the cost) a starting price at 7500 zen would be about right. With 30% off of that at launch (5250 Zen), again, I think I would buy.

    I can see them allowing the BOff's/combat pet to be account wide, but not lowering the price. No sale for me.

    I can see them adding to the pack but keeping the BOff's/combat pet 1 per account and the price the same. No sale for me.

    I can see them adding to the pack, allowing the BOff's/combat pet to be account wide but keeping the price. Unless the added stuff is a huge amount, no sale for me.

    tl;dr

    Add additional items to the pack to give it a greater value. Allow the BOff's and combat pet to be unlocked account wide. Add at least 1 more ship to both Fed and KDF. Or, at the very least, lower the starting price of the pack.

    As it is now, not even with someone else's money would I buy this pack as it will just encourage this type of thing in the future.

    *An argument could be made that the Ranger could be meant for endgame, but with it lacking the ability to be upgraded to T5-U, *I* don't consider it as an endgame ship. But that is a different argument for another place and time.

    This I think pretty much says it all for this whole thing.

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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    irm1963 wrote: »
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Oh look, another pack with no romulan stuff.

    TBF no Romulans in Discovery. Probably ever.

    No 23rd Century Romulan ships in Star Trek 2009, Into Darkness, or Star Trek Beyond and that didn't prevent Cryptic in releasing a T'Laru Intel Carrier Warbird in the Kelvin Timeline Lock Box.

    As long as the Fed Bridge Officer, Klingon Bridge Officer, and Combat Tardigrade are once per account instead of once per character, then I won't buy it.
  • sukhothaisukhothai Member Posts: 216 Arc User
    Wish the Combat Tardigrade was Account Wide not Once per account.
  • vengefuldjinnvengefuldjinn Member Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    Question does the Klingon T'kuvma Armor Costume include character parts to make a Klingon character look like a Discovery Klingon character?
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 4,826 Arc User
    ferroequus wrote: »
    Here is a Romulan ship I'd like to see come to STO:

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    I see a LOT of similarities with Klingon BoPs, so it looks more like a Klingon ship imho.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    ferroequus wrote: »
    Here is a Romulan ship I'd like to see come to STO:

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    I see a LOT of similarities with Klingon BoPs, so it looks more like a Klingon ship imho.

    remember the bird of prey was originally a romulan design kruge stole
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  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 904 Arc User
    ferroequus wrote: »
    Here is a Romulan ship I'd like to see come to STO:

    1593.jpg

    I see a LOT of similarities with Klingon BoPs, so it looks more like a Klingon ship imho.

    remember the bird of prey was originally a romulan design kruge stole

    I find that whole origin of the Bird-of-Prey & whether it is a true Klingon design or Romulan inspired but with inserting Klingon pride fascinating. As much as Disc gets dismissed, & maybe rightfully so, I think it could tackle that story even if Disc is, or thought of, alternate universe time-line & could really do well with it & use it to introduce the Roms perhaps. I don't think the BoP is such a relevant ship nowadays in STO or the story canon with battles per say but I've always liked its niche.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 10,075 Arc User
    We really needed that fifth season of Enterprise.
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  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 904 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    We really needed that fifth season of Enterprise.

    Totally agree for a handful of reasons. I still don't really like how Enterprise ended. I won't say it was terrible, but I really didn't think it gave such a show a proper send-off it deserved. Oh well, I suppose that is one of the reasons imagination is for then.
  • dheffernandheffernan Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    This is the Dragonborn Legends pack from Neverwinter all over again. Cryptic hasn't learned.
  • wwwwoodywwwwoody Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    foxman00 wrote: »
    Decent price even without the discount

    What?
  • xxtakunixxxxtakunixx Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited February 12
    now that i see the ships are all scaling ship that makes the price a little more able to stomach but it is still only 4 ships for that price being i already own the walker ship its still a little steep. the tardigarde could be an account unlock to make it better, but even with that i play star trek to fly ship and blow up enemy ships so ground things are cute but have little appeal to me. I'll consider it but still leaning towards no. Give me an additional discount for the discovery pack and walker ship i already bought and then we might be talking
  • atroxvincentiusatroxvincentius Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    How nice of them to tell us the Discovery Starter Pack would be included in a larger bundle before we bought it. [/sarc]


    And I have to agree, 4 ships seems very lean for a pack like this. Especially if you even need to buy Fleet versions to get their full stats. Compare to the Gamma pack last year, which had 10 ships fully-powered from the box. And account-unlock boffs and stuff, too.

    Agreed, and the once per account claim for the BOFFs is nonsense.
  • captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,240 Arc User

    I remember the FASA Star Trek game, the Romulan and Federation ship on the for the ""
    The Andor-class ship had a unique design. There was a book of the Starfleet ships of the Line, back in the '80s that had that ship (along with a single and triple nacelle ships, as well as more traditional nacelle arrangements, all of which were probably based discriptions of ships in the novels).

    I think it was classified as a destroyer. Been a while!
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 10,075 Arc User
    Well, given that the stats are out, you can probably bet this thing will drop on Thursday. Very little time for them to react to change stuff to Account Unlocks rather than Character.

    Very poor anticipation and planning for the eventual firestorm.
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  • captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,240 Arc User
    Considering some people were worried about 'Power Creep' when it came to Personal Achievements, maybe they were worried people would complain about that when it came to the BOffs, let alone the Combat Pet in this set?

    For the Starter Pack, some people said they'd rather have a combat pet rather than a vanity pack. So the switch is from Non-combat pet for each character to a combat one for just one character.

    So with the special ability BOff (to distiguish them from just being a relatively asthetic difference, such as the difference of the Android BOff (was it from the Lifetime or legacy of the Gold subscription, I don't recall) and the Android BOff from JJverse/Kelvin Timeline) and combat pet as well, it was considered too unbalancing for every character of an account having it?

    If this is the case, maybe it would have been better to keep the Tardigrade a non-combat one (in line with the Starter Pack), and have the combat pet as a separate purchase?

    That brings up another thought on the same vein: Was having non-combat Tardigrade for every character for the Starter Set and the once per account combat Tardigrade from the Ops Pack considered to be an incentive to purchase both the Starter and the Operations Packs? Rather than just having the Ops Pack being a complete upgrade from the Starter Pack?

    Given the chance between a once per account Combat Tardigrade and a once per character Non-Combat Tardigrade, I'd rather to go for the once per character Tardigrade. Especially if it would mean the BOffs were available for each character on the account.
  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 12,890 Arc User
    edited February 12
    ferroequus wrote: »
    Here is a Romulan ship I'd like to see come to STO:

    1593.jpg

    I see a LOT of similarities with Klingon BoPs, so it looks more like a Klingon ship imho.

    remember the bird of prey was originally a romulan design kruge stole

    That was disproven by the fact that the Klingons were using BoP's in 'Enterprise', of a very similar design to the (later in the timeline) B'Rel (Kruge's ship) seen in TSFS.
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  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 904 Arc User
    Considering some people were worried about 'Power Creep' when it came to Personal Achievements, maybe they were worried people would complain about that when it came to the BOffs, let alone the Combat Pet in this set?

    For the Starter Pack, some people said they'd rather have a combat pet rather than a vanity pack. So the switch is from Non-combat pet for each character to a combat one for just one character.

    So with the special ability BOff (to distiguish them from just being a relatively asthetic difference, such as the difference of the Android BOff (was it from the Lifetime or legacy of the Gold subscription, I don't recall) and the Android BOff from JJverse/Kelvin Timeline) and combat pet as well, it was considered too unbalancing for every character of an account having it?

    If this is the case, maybe it would have been better to keep the Tardigrade a non-combat one (in line with the Starter Pack), and have the combat pet as a separate purchase?

    That brings up another thought on the same vein: Was having non-combat Tardigrade for every character for the Starter Set and the once per account combat Tardigrade from the Ops Pack considered to be an incentive to purchase both the Starter and the Operations Packs? Rather than just having the Ops Pack being a complete upgrade from the Starter Pack?

    Given the chance between a once per account Combat Tardigrade and a once per character Non-Combat Tardigrade, I'd rather to go for the once per character Tardigrade. Especially if it would mean the BOffs were available for each character on the account.

    Well if, & it is an if, those BOFFs & combat pet are also sold separately in the C-Store besides this pack when it is released your reasons regarding those being once per account like, fair to say, most think it should be account wide will be a hot pile of stink.

    Cryptic has already changed the Personal Endeavors not so much in difficulty but more grinding. Cryptic isn't following their own initial description of these Personal Endeavors anyways with requiring TFOs & such so now the PEs are just an extension of the original endeavor which is fine I'm already treating the PEs just like the original Endeavor.

    And with concern of power creeps that is always genuine & I'm can be tough to balance but the majority of STO is PvE with nto so much PvP where it would have a more dramatic effect. For PvE there's little negative impact unless severe I'm betting.
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,423 Arc User
    Making boffs and a combat pet once per account is just bad form when most of the other packs have had the boffs as account wide.

    Moreso when there's a trait locked into the boff.

    Given that triple ship bundles come in at 6000 this one being priced at double that for four ships screams overpriced to milk the discobabbies.

    And that "tactical" helmet looks like a bucket with some LED's glued on. You can tell the designer never tried their hand at any blue peter makes.
  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,935 Arc User
    I looked at the Pilot BoP.... It is a scaling ship....Which was not mentioned in the original blog post. It is actually a ship bundle into itself. Think about it.

    Instead of selling me separate T-1, then a T-2, then a T-3, T-4, T-5, and T-6 Pilot BoP....it is all rolled into one. And it has Pilot Maneuver buttons from the get go...well, not sure about that, it may be an unlock at T-4 or something. LOL! Fun thinking about it, though.

    Other than I don't get Admiralty cards for each Tier. Which was the reason I purchased a bunch of lower level ships, previously....you may be saving money comparatively.

    So, redo your math, taking into consideration the costs for purchase of those T-1 thru T-5 ships that is no longer incurred for flying a Zen ship at lower level.
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  • alexhaydenalexhayden Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    > @where2r1 said:
    > I looked at the Pilot BoP.... It is a scaling ship....Which was not mentioned in the original blog post. It is actually a ship bundle into itself. Think about it.
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    > Instead of selling me separate T-1, then a T-2, then a T-3, T-4, T-5, and T-6 Pilot BoP....it is all rolled into one. And it has Pilot Maneuver buttons from the get go...well, not sure about that, it may be an unlock at T-4 or something. LOL! Fun thinking about it, though.
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    > Other than I don't get Admiralty cards for each Tier. Which was the reason I purchased a bunch of lower level ships, previously....you may be saving money comparatively.
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    > So, redo your math, taking into consideration the costs for purchase of those T-1 thru T-5 ships that is no longer incurred for flying a Zen ship at lower level.

    Just read the stats posting after reading your comment..and I see your point. Would it have killed Cryptic to actually mention the fact that the ships are scalable in the original posting before I overreacted? 😳
  • quixoticishquixoticish Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    So do the Shran and Gagarin come with Disco era skins as well, (Magee and Shepard class?) Or are they coming separately at another time?
  • badgerpants999badgerpants999 Member Posts: 241 Arc User
    Well, I will be buying the Shran. Nothing else and with Zen provided by my Lifetime Subscription pack, so. Thanks for the free ship Cryptic.
  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    So do the Shran and Gagarin come with Disco era skins as well, (Magee and Shepard class?) Or are they coming separately at another time?

    My guess is that, like the Europa, the Magee and Shepard skins are Fleet ship unlocks.



    Look, I'm probably one of the biggest completionists out there and to me, Space Barbie is life. I own every ship in the C-store (including the shuttles and T1 through T4 ships). I own all the uniforms. With one exception, I own all the bridge packs. To me, appearance is a BIG thing.

    Now, the only bridge pack I do not own is the Galaxy bridge and Interiors, and that's because I just can't see the ROI on the 2000 Zen purchase.

    This Discovery Pack with its overly expensive price tag is 12,000 Zen is a hard pass due to the ROI. Even the initial price of 8400 Zen is making me question whether THAT is worth the price. Honestly, if the BOFFs were Account unlocked instead of single toon, it might change my mind. But as it stands now, the $120 price tag is ludicrous for what you get.

    I mean, you KNOW things are bad when a third party website is reporting on how STO fans aren't happy about the pack.

    https://massivelyop.com/2019/02/11/star-trek-online-arent-going-for-cryptics-lackluster-120-ship-bundle/
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    Things I want in STO:

    1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
    2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
    3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
    4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
    5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
    6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
    7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
    8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 9,901 Arc User
    (...)

    I mean, you KNOW things are bad when a third party website is reporting on how STO fans aren't happy about the pack.

    https://massivelyop.com/2019/02/11/star-trek-online-arent-going-for-cryptics-lackluster-120-ship-bundle/

    Yeah, I wouldn't overestimate that. Massivelyop is not a journalistic capacity, the article's author is probably one of the reddit users that are quoted in the article pig-3.gif​​
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  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    (...)

    I mean, you KNOW things are bad when a third party website is reporting on how STO fans aren't happy about the pack.

    https://massivelyop.com/2019/02/11/star-trek-online-arent-going-for-cryptics-lackluster-120-ship-bundle/

    Yeah, I wouldn't overestimate that. Massivelyop is not a journalistic capacity, the article's author is probably one of the reddit users that are quoted in the article pig-3.gif​​
    Editorialization and sensationalism aside, there is a kernel of truth behind it. Just looking through this forum, reading the reddit, and looking at the chat logs, there are a large number of people who arr not happy about the cost.
    Mad Science means never stopping to ask "What's the worst that could happen?"

    Things I want in STO:

    1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
    2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
    3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
    4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
    5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
    6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
    7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
    8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
  • fewzzfewzz Member Posts: 205 Arc User
    edited February 12
    This is a new move, makes ships in a pack only, have fleet versions so ships are now per toon claimable once.

    The Klink ones are hideous and id never use them as i dont play them anyways, T4 Skin? Pointless.
    The Escort just looks silly, so leaves me one ship for 12k Zen lmao and its stats arent great, its also a MW ship so why is it lacking that extra console slot???? makes the pack now completely and utterly TRASH.
  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,115 Arc User
    4 ships @ $30 each = the full $120 price... there is no value in this bundle like the previous bundles. the one time use items, outfits, boff/pet are not really important... thou they are changing how they use to bundle these items, boff/pet use to be per character... not even once per character. if you dismiss you can reaquire.

    I will not buy at current price... maybe when it drops to 50% off during one of their pack sales they have once in a while. Even buying them at their current sale price is NOT a discount... the recent 2 ship bundle was only 4000 zen... and you can buy during a sale at 25 to 35% off... how is this "sale" of any real value?
  • christ4uchrist4u Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    In my opinion this is an unfair bundle, as most players here already own the prototype walker - That is one ship down already. I do not count the new skin for it, as that is a more akin to a ship costume.

    One of the benefits of buying a bundle is that you get to unlock them for all your characters (As the account is the player) - the one time unlock is rubbish and a low blow to the community and the fans of Trek. They need to re-think this approach before launch.

    Count me out - not touching this bundle with a 30ft pole - It spells Grinch all over it.
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