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  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    ferroequus wrote: »
    Here is a Romulan ship I'd like to see come to STO:

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    I see a LOT of similarities with Klingon BoPs, so it looks more like a Klingon ship imho.

    remember the bird of prey was originally a romulan design kruge stole

    I find that whole origin of the Bird-of-Prey & whether it is a true Klingon design or Romulan inspired but with inserting Klingon pride fascinating. As much as Disc gets dismissed, & maybe rightfully so, I think it could tackle that story even if Disc is, or thought of, alternate universe time-line & could really do well with it & use it to introduce the Roms perhaps. I don't think the BoP is such a relevant ship nowadays in STO or the story canon with battles per say but I've always liked its niche.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    We really needed that fifth season of Enterprise.
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  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    We really needed that fifth season of Enterprise.

    Totally agree for a handful of reasons. I still don't really like how Enterprise ended. I won't say it was terrible, but I really didn't think it gave such a show a proper send-off it deserved. Oh well, I suppose that is one of the reasons imagination is for then.
  • dheffernandheffernan Member Posts: 93 Arc User
    This is the Dragonborn Legends pack from Neverwinter all over again. Cryptic hasn't learned.
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  • wwwwoodywwwwoody Member Posts: 20 Arc User
    foxman00 wrote: »
    Decent price even without the discount

    What?
  • xxtakunixxxxtakunixx Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    now that i see the ships are all scaling ship that makes the price a little more able to stomach but it is still only 4 ships for that price being i already own the walker ship its still a little steep. the tardigarde could be an account unlock to make it better, but even with that i play star trek to fly ship and blow up enemy ships so ground things are cute but have little appeal to me. I'll consider it but still leaning towards no. Give me an additional discount for the discovery pack and walker ship i already bought and then we might be talking
  • atroxvincentiusatroxvincentius Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    How nice of them to tell us the Discovery Starter Pack would be included in a larger bundle before we bought it. [/sarc]


    And I have to agree, 4 ships seems very lean for a pack like this. Especially if you even need to buy Fleet versions to get their full stats. Compare to the Gamma pack last year, which had 10 ships fully-powered from the box. And account-unlock boffs and stuff, too.

    Agreed, and the once per account claim for the BOFFs is nonsense.
  • captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,925 Arc User

    I remember the FASA Star Trek game, the Romulan and Federation ship on the for the ""
    The Andor-class ship had a unique design. There was a book of the Starfleet ships of the Line, back in the '80s that had that ship (along with a single and triple nacelle ships, as well as more traditional nacelle arrangements, all of which were probably based discriptions of ships in the novels).

    I think it was classified as a destroyer. Been a while!
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    Well, given that the stats are out, you can probably bet this thing will drop on Thursday. Very little time for them to react to change stuff to Account Unlocks rather than Character.

    Very poor anticipation and planning for the eventual firestorm.
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  • captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,925 Arc User
    Considering some people were worried about 'Power Creep' when it came to Personal Achievements, maybe they were worried people would complain about that when it came to the BOffs, let alone the Combat Pet in this set?

    For the Starter Pack, some people said they'd rather have a combat pet rather than a vanity pack. So the switch is from Non-combat pet for each character to a combat one for just one character.

    So with the special ability BOff (to distiguish them from just being a relatively asthetic difference, such as the difference of the Android BOff (was it from the Lifetime or legacy of the Gold subscription, I don't recall) and the Android BOff from JJverse/Kelvin Timeline) and combat pet as well, it was considered too unbalancing for every character of an account having it?

    If this is the case, maybe it would have been better to keep the Tardigrade a non-combat one (in line with the Starter Pack), and have the combat pet as a separate purchase?

    That brings up another thought on the same vein: Was having non-combat Tardigrade for every character for the Starter Set and the once per account combat Tardigrade from the Ops Pack considered to be an incentive to purchase both the Starter and the Operations Packs? Rather than just having the Ops Pack being a complete upgrade from the Starter Pack?

    Given the chance between a once per account Combat Tardigrade and a once per character Non-Combat Tardigrade, I'd rather to go for the once per character Tardigrade. Especially if it would mean the BOffs were available for each character on the account.
  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    Considering some people were worried about 'Power Creep' when it came to Personal Achievements, maybe they were worried people would complain about that when it came to the BOffs, let alone the Combat Pet in this set?

    For the Starter Pack, some people said they'd rather have a combat pet rather than a vanity pack. So the switch is from Non-combat pet for each character to a combat one for just one character.

    So with the special ability BOff (to distiguish them from just being a relatively asthetic difference, such as the difference of the Android BOff (was it from the Lifetime or legacy of the Gold subscription, I don't recall) and the Android BOff from JJverse/Kelvin Timeline) and combat pet as well, it was considered too unbalancing for every character of an account having it?

    If this is the case, maybe it would have been better to keep the Tardigrade a non-combat one (in line with the Starter Pack), and have the combat pet as a separate purchase?

    That brings up another thought on the same vein: Was having non-combat Tardigrade for every character for the Starter Set and the once per account combat Tardigrade from the Ops Pack considered to be an incentive to purchase both the Starter and the Operations Packs? Rather than just having the Ops Pack being a complete upgrade from the Starter Pack?

    Given the chance between a once per account Combat Tardigrade and a once per character Non-Combat Tardigrade, I'd rather to go for the once per character Tardigrade. Especially if it would mean the BOffs were available for each character on the account.

    Well if, & it is an if, those BOFFs & combat pet are also sold separately in the C-Store besides this pack when it is released your reasons regarding those being once per account like, fair to say, most think it should be account wide will be a hot pile of stink.

    Cryptic has already changed the Personal Endeavors not so much in difficulty but more grinding. Cryptic isn't following their own initial description of these Personal Endeavors anyways with requiring TFOs & such so now the PEs are just an extension of the original endeavor which is fine I'm already treating the PEs just like the original Endeavor.

    And with concern of power creeps that is always genuine & I'm can be tough to balance but the majority of STO is PvE with nto so much PvP where it would have a more dramatic effect. For PvE there's little negative impact unless severe I'm betting.
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    Making boffs and a combat pet once per account is just bad form when most of the other packs have had the boffs as account wide.

    Moreso when there's a trait locked into the boff.

    Given that triple ship bundles come in at 6000 this one being priced at double that for four ships screams overpriced to milk the discobabbies.

    And that "tactical" helmet looks like a bucket with some LED's glued on. You can tell the designer never tried their hand at any blue peter makes.
  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    I looked at the Pilot BoP.... It is a scaling ship....Which was not mentioned in the original blog post. It is actually a ship bundle into itself. Think about it.

    Instead of selling me separate T-1, then a T-2, then a T-3, T-4, T-5, and T-6 Pilot BoP....it is all rolled into one. And it has Pilot Maneuver buttons from the get go...well, not sure about that, it may be an unlock at T-4 or something. LOL! Fun thinking about it, though.

    Other than I don't get Admiralty cards for each Tier. Which was the reason I purchased a bunch of lower level ships, previously....you may be saving money comparatively.

    So, redo your math, taking into consideration the costs for purchase of those T-1 thru T-5 ships that is no longer incurred for flying a Zen ship at lower level.
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  • alexhaydenalexhayden Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    > @where2r1 said:
    > I looked at the Pilot BoP.... It is a scaling ship....Which was not mentioned in the original blog post. It is actually a ship bundle into itself. Think about it.
    >
    > Instead of selling me separate T-1, then a T-2, then a T-3, T-4, T-5, and T-6 Pilot BoP....it is all rolled into one. And it has Pilot Maneuver buttons from the get go...well, not sure about that, it may be an unlock at T-4 or something. LOL! Fun thinking about it, though.
    >
    > Other than I don't get Admiralty cards for each Tier. Which was the reason I purchased a bunch of lower level ships, previously....you may be saving money comparatively.
    >
    > So, redo your math, taking into consideration the costs for purchase of those T-1 thru T-5 ships that is no longer incurred for flying a Zen ship at lower level.

    Just read the stats posting after reading your comment..and I see your point. Would it have killed Cryptic to actually mention the fact that the ships are scalable in the original posting before I overreacted? 😳
  • quixoticishquixoticish Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    So do the Shran and Gagarin come with Disco era skins as well, (Magee and Shepard class?) Or are they coming separately at another time?
  • badgerpants999badgerpants999 Member Posts: 241 Arc User
    Well, I will be buying the Shran. Nothing else and with Zen provided by my Lifetime Subscription pack, so. Thanks for the free ship Cryptic.
  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    So do the Shran and Gagarin come with Disco era skins as well, (Magee and Shepard class?) Or are they coming separately at another time?

    My guess is that, like the Europa, the Magee and Shepard skins are Fleet ship unlocks.



    Look, I'm probably one of the biggest completionists out there and to me, Space Barbie is life. I own every ship in the C-store (including the shuttles and T1 through T4 ships). I own all the uniforms. With one exception, I own all the bridge packs. To me, appearance is a BIG thing.

    Now, the only bridge pack I do not own is the Galaxy bridge and Interiors, and that's because I just can't see the ROI on the 2000 Zen purchase.

    This Discovery Pack with its overly expensive price tag is 12,000 Zen is a hard pass due to the ROI. Even the initial price of 8400 Zen is making me question whether THAT is worth the price. Honestly, if the BOFFs were Account unlocked instead of single toon, it might change my mind. But as it stands now, the $120 price tag is ludicrous for what you get.

    I mean, you KNOW things are bad when a third party website is reporting on how STO fans aren't happy about the pack.

    https://massivelyop.com/2019/02/11/star-trek-online-arent-going-for-cryptics-lackluster-120-ship-bundle/
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    Things I want in STO:

    1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
    2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
    3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
    4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
    5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
    6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
    7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
    8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    (...)

    I mean, you KNOW things are bad when a third party website is reporting on how STO fans aren't happy about the pack.

    https://massivelyop.com/2019/02/11/star-trek-online-arent-going-for-cryptics-lackluster-120-ship-bundle/

    Yeah, I wouldn't overestimate that. Massivelyop is not a journalistic capacity, the article's author is probably one of the reddit users that are quoted in the article pig-3.gif​​
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  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    (...)

    I mean, you KNOW things are bad when a third party website is reporting on how STO fans aren't happy about the pack.

    https://massivelyop.com/2019/02/11/star-trek-online-arent-going-for-cryptics-lackluster-120-ship-bundle/

    Yeah, I wouldn't overestimate that. Massivelyop is not a journalistic capacity, the article's author is probably one of the reddit users that are quoted in the article pig-3.gif​​
    Editorialization and sensationalism aside, there is a kernel of truth behind it. Just looking through this forum, reading the reddit, and looking at the chat logs, there are a large number of people who arr not happy about the cost.
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    Things I want in STO:

    1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
    2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
    3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
    4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
    5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
    6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
    7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
    8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
  • fewzzfewzz Member Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    This is a new move, makes ships in a pack only, have fleet versions so ships are now per toon claimable once.

    The Klink ones are hideous and id never use them as i dont play them anyways, T4 Skin? Pointless.
    The Escort just looks silly, so leaves me one ship for 12k Zen lmao and its stats arent great, its also a MW ship so why is it lacking that extra console slot???? makes the pack now completely and utterly TRASH.
  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    4 ships @ $30 each = the full $120 price... there is no value in this bundle like the previous bundles. the one time use items, outfits, boff/pet are not really important... thou they are changing how they use to bundle these items, boff/pet use to be per character... not even once per character. if you dismiss you can reaquire.

    I will not buy at current price... maybe when it drops to 50% off during one of their pack sales they have once in a while. Even buying them at their current sale price is NOT a discount... the recent 2 ship bundle was only 4000 zen... and you can buy during a sale at 25 to 35% off... how is this "sale" of any real value?
  • christ4uchrist4u Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    In my opinion this is an unfair bundle, as most players here already own the prototype walker - That is one ship down already. I do not count the new skin for it, as that is a more akin to a ship costume.

    One of the benefits of buying a bundle is that you get to unlock them for all your characters (As the account is the player) - the one time unlock is rubbish and a low blow to the community and the fans of Trek. They need to re-think this approach before launch.

    Count me out - not touching this bundle with a 30ft pole - It spells Grinch all over it.
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    Been those scalable ships, changes a little the outcome, just fix the damn Boffs and we are ok!
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  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    fewzz wrote: »
    The Escort just looks silly, so leaves me one ship for 12k Zen lmao and its stats arent great, its also a MW ship so why is it lacking that extra console slot???? makes the pack now completely and utterly TRASH.


    Um, it HAS the Universal Console Slot.

    Standard ship has 3 Tac, 5 Eng, 2 Sci, and 1 Universal, a total of 11 consoles.

    Fleet version adds a tac console for a total of 12.

    If you're gonna complain, at least do it with factual information.
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    Things I want in STO:

    1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
    2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
    3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
    4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
    5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
    6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
    7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
    8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
  • fewzzfewzz Member Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    fewzz wrote: »
    The Escort just looks silly, so leaves me one ship for 12k Zen lmao and its stats arent great, its also a MW ship so why is it lacking that extra console slot???? makes the pack now completely and utterly TRASH.


    Um, it HAS the Universal Console Slot.

    Standard ship has 3 Tac, 5 Eng, 2 Sci, and 1 Universal, a total of 11 consoles.

    Fleet version adds a tac console for a total of 12.

    If you're gonna complain, at least do it with factual information.

    The MW for Feds have 12 consoles this new one has 11 doesnt it? unless you pay again for modules and upgrade so pack is even more useless?

  • trillbuffettrillbuffet Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    I'm still not sure I would want this goa'uld looking space dust pan for a bop I might think about getting it but only if I can make it look like an actual bird of prey.
  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    fewzz wrote: »
    fewzz wrote: »
    The Escort just looks silly, so leaves me one ship for 12k Zen lmao and its stats arent great, its also a MW ship so why is it lacking that extra console slot???? makes the pack now completely and utterly TRASH.


    Um, it HAS the Universal Console Slot.

    Standard ship has 3 Tac, 5 Eng, 2 Sci, and 1 Universal, a total of 11 consoles.

    Fleet version adds a tac console for a total of 12.

    If you're gonna complain, at least do it with factual information.

    The MW for Feds have 12 consoles this new one has 11 doesnt it? unless you pay again for modules and upgrade so pack is even more useless?

    Fed MW ships don't have a Fleet variant, so they have 12 consoles. Fleet ships add a console, so making the standard ship have 12 consoles would be unfeasible because there is no ship that has 13 consoles and therefore no coding to allow for 13 consoles. So they brought the standard down to 11 consoles to give it max consoles when a Fleet ship is bought.

    But hey, go ahead and complain. It's your right. But think about this... Many people buy fleet ships BECAUSE of the 10% increase and the extra slot. Imagine the hoopla if people got a 12 console standard and thought they woukd get a 13th console to get the fleet version, only to find out they didn't.
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    Things I want in STO:

    1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
    2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
    3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
    4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
    5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
    6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
    7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
    8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
  • disqord#9557 disqord Member Posts: 567 Arc User
    The idea that scaling magically makes the ships in the pack worth more is complete garbage. They already have the scaling stats system programmed from the Styx and Proto-Walker, it's not exactly a tough job to copy and paste that onto the new ships. And let's not forget that the Proto-Walker costs the SAME as a non-scaling T4 ship, which shows that they don't value scaling as an individual ship each rank, or even value it AT ALL.
  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    I'm confused. Will the ships in the pack include the DISCO skins, or is that restricted to the Fleet versions?
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