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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    Could argue that there is time and money involved in the design process.

    But then you see the tactical buckethead and know that a 5 year old with a roll of foil could make a better fitting helmet, assuming it wasn't made solely for a mr merrick.
  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    I'm not saying that being able to use the same ship for your entire career has no merit. I am saying that it doesn't really have a mechanical value. If you like it and that floats your boat...by all means. I mean for you, if that is something you really want...it has whatever value you wanna add to it. Mechanically...is what I speak of. Mechanically...no new console at each tier or new costume unlocks means it doesn't add value over using the freebie ship for the like 5 hours before you get your next freebie ship. I am not against scaling ships. I actually quite like it in point of fact. I won't pay extra for it tho. And if you look at scaling ships released so far, the price for the ship having a scaling option hasn't made them cost anymore. But who know, cryptic has been on a roll for pissing off their playerbase.

    It is not as if I don't have questions about pricing this pack.

    It is less work to do just one scaling ship, isn't it??? Cryptic will not have to expend as much on art (if the art is not very different on each tier of a scaling ship). Or hooking up and balancing each console for the new Zen ships at each tier. Or making and hooking up those Admiralty cards at each tier.

    But they are selling these ships to a different audience. Discovery fans. As well as ones who were not considering buying Zen ships while leveling up....who will think they are a value because they won't have to buy one for each tier and they get use of a T-6 ship at the end.

    It remains to be seen if that will sell. And it most likely will because....are there other Zen ships for Discovery fans coming out? Hmmmm.....

    If players bother to continue playing past "I got done with the Episodes"...they will realize "more scaling ships and less lower tier ships" have other implications in the game.
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  • sukhothaisukhothai Member Posts: 276 Arc User
    I'm not buying this! Not until the Tardigrade is Account Wide.
  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    Well during the live stream I think they did a fair job at answering questions that I saw being asked multiple times, but not good nor did they seem to focus on this pack's concerns much. It seemed more of the same of their pick & choose but with more coverage this time so at least that is better.

    I'm still not buying this pack. I don't like how Cryptic tried marketing this at all & it feels dirty & leaves a bad taste. It is like Cryptic's marketing are cross-overs from EA & Bethesda. Remember, if us players/customers hadn't voiced as we did there would've been no account wide & no starter pack discount changes at all & don't believe otherwise.

    I still think this pack will sell well. Enough people will feel vindicated now with the changes that should've been part of the pack initially anyways to buy it. If the combat pet change to account wide isn't implemented before this initial sale pricing ceases then I think it indicates Cryptic really doesn't care about their player base but the open wallets.

    There's good quality items in this pack for sure but far less content than previous packs. & if there is a buy zen bonus to coincide with this Disc pack sale as I suspect probably even more will buy it. Nothing more was added, all Cryptic had to do was with-hold what had been precedent in other packs & act like they listened & offer what should've already been. It was a good ploy & it will work on most.
  • anubis0sarvouranubis0sarvour Member Posts: 167 Arc User
    Has Kael or anyone else responded on this thread? And IF so which page(s)?
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,209 Community Moderator
    About what exactly?
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  • anubis0sarvouranubis0sarvour Member Posts: 167 Arc User
    About what exactly?

    Community's general displeasure/negative reactions to the pack? Changes being made?
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  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,412 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    Flanking, and the type of raider flanking, should be listed in the stats for the M'Chla as it does for other ships. Also why does the M'Chla have 13 Boff seats while the T6 B'rel and D4x have only 12?

    In the KDF shipyard it also lists one of the LtC Uni seats as Uni/Command which is quite a typo and perhaps should be given Uni/Command now that it is live on sale.
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  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    Flanking, and the type of raider flanking, should be listed in the stats for the M'Chla as it does for other ships. Also why does the M'Chla have 13 Boff seats while the T6 B'rel and D4x have only 12?

    Based upon what was stated during the most recent Ten Forward Weekly live stream the raiders, both, have the regular raider flanking, sadly not the improved flanking that a couple of other older raiders have. I hadn't looked closely enough at the BOFF seating, but BoP/raiders sometimes are universals. Overall, I usually think the newest shiny has the best stuff if just merely for a selling more stand point so maybe that is why more BOFF seating but with this pack from the get go who knows.
  • storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,253 Arc User
    it comes out tomorrow
    8400 with discount
    7350 with discount and starter pack discount


    Anyone care to confirm?
    Pack costs 8400 ZEN ? and 7350 ZEN if you already have an starter pack?​​
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  • lnbladelnblade Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    Flanking, and the type of raider flanking, should be listed in the stats for the M'Chla as it does for other ships. Also why does the M'Chla have 13 Boff seats while the T6 B'rel and D4x have only 12?
    Becausethe M'Chala (and Shran) both have dedicated Commander Tactical seats, whereas the B'rel/Kor and D4x have all universal seats. Fewer BOff stations is how they balance out the ability to do pretty much anything you want with all those universal statons.
  • disqord#9557 disqord Member Posts: 567 Arc User
    I hope that despite all the "concessions" they've made, people will still see this pack as absolutely not worth the price. This includes the idea that it being on sale makes it more valuable, as if a sale is the actual asking price and not a tactic to show a good side.

    Pack still isn't worth it in my opinion, and won't be until they either add more ships or drop the price. Character vs account unlocks isn't magically changing how I feel about this, and I hope that sales are still low just so this doesn't happen again.
  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,412 Arc User
    lnblade wrote: »
    Flanking, and the type of raider flanking, should be listed in the stats for the M'Chla as it does for other ships. Also why does the M'Chla have 13 Boff seats while the T6 B'rel and D4x have only 12?
    Becausethe M'Chala (and Shran) both have dedicated Commander Tactical seats, whereas the B'rel/Kor and D4x have all universal seats. Fewer BOff stations is how they balance out the ability to do pretty much anything you want with all those universal statons.

    That explains it, thanks.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,209 Community Moderator
    @anubis0sarvour The changes made were that the BOFFs were made account-wide unlocks. The combat Tardigrade will be made account-wide unlock later. The discount for having already bought the previous Starter Pack was announced as well.

    @storules Yes, those prices were confirmed during the livestream.
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  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    storules wrote: »
    it comes out tomorrow
    8400 with discount
    7350 with discount and starter pack discount


    Anyone care to confirm?
    Pack costs 8400 ZEN ? and 7350 ZEN if you already have an starter pack?​​

    I'm sure you are already aware now & in-game but the 7350 is the current sale price if you own the Disc starter pack.




    I hope that despite all the "concessions" they've made, people will still see this pack as absolutely not worth the price. This includes the idea that it being on sale makes it more valuable, as if a sale is the actual asking price and not a tactic to show a good side.

    Pack still isn't worth it in my opinion, and won't be until they either add more ships or drop the price. Character vs account unlocks isn't magically changing how I feel about this, and I hope that sales are still low just so this doesn't happen again.

    I think you're being nice describing that as "concessions". I think this was a planned marketing ploy all along. However, doing so I'm sure there will be enough to buy it now so we as players, customers, should expect similar tactics down the road for STO more of this towards the player base & more gambling in more aspects of STO.

  • pwecangetlostpwecangetlost Member Posts: 538 Arc User
    Unfortunately we're still left with a quandary. Until the tardigrade account wide is actually implemented why take the gamble on them sticking to their word? If this isn't done while the sale is on and the pack is actually at a reasonable price for its value, why get it at all?
  • vengefuldjinnvengefuldjinn Member Posts: 1,520 Arc User
    Unfortunately we're still left with a quandary. Until the tardigrade account wide is actually implemented why take the gamble on them sticking to their word? If this isn't done while the sale is on and the pack is actually at a reasonable price for its value, why get it at all?

    I think we can take Cryptic at their word -
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  • iamynaughtiamynaught Member Posts: 1,285 Arc User
    So nothing NEW was added to the pack. Just the BOff's made account unlocks and a promise the combat pet will be made the same way. Things that should have been that way from the beginning.

    I WAS going to buy the ships separate in their respective 2-packs that they (almost) always do when offering similar cross-faction ships. So imagine my surprise that there are no cross-faction packs for the ships. You buy them singly or in the overpriced pack. They know that if they offered the ships in two 2-packs, that's where a lot of people would buy them and skip the pack since the pack is so low in value (IMO).

    So instead of getting at least some sale, they will get nothing from me. Promises of things to come are not going to get me to bite. I'd still like some official word on the bait and switch that happened with the Elite Starter Pack suddenly becoming the Elite Services Starter Pack, though I don't actually expect any.

    So, until the starting price of the Discovery Operations Pack is reduced, or more value is added to the pack (like more ships), no sale.
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  • geezerpunkgeezerpunk Member Posts: 146 Arc User
    Do we know how long the sale will be going on for?
  • storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,253 Arc User
    @anubis0sarvour The changes made were that the BOFFs were made account-wide unlocks. The combat Tardigrade will be made account-wide unlock later. The discount for having already bought the previous Starter Pack was announced as well.

    @storules Yes, those prices were confirmed during the livestream.

    Thank you! I'm still at work and just trying to check out all the new stuff in the packs!​​
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  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    storules wrote: »
    @anubis0sarvour The changes made were that the BOFFs were made account-wide unlocks. The combat Tardigrade will be made account-wide unlock later. The discount for having already bought the previous Starter Pack was announced as well.

    @storules Yes, those prices were confirmed during the livestream.

    Thank you! I'm still at work and just trying to check out all the new stuff in the packs!​​

    What, "all the new stuff in the packs!"? It is the same items, nothing new, just a couple were made account wide unlocks, the BOFFs, with a promise that the combat pet, tardigrade, will be made account wide unlock too.
  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    geezerpunk wrote: »
    Do we know how long the sale will be going on for?

    The zen bonus sale is till the 19th. I don't think there has been an official word for the Disc pack's sale duration. maybe until Cryptic sells so many then kaput lol.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,209 Community Moderator
    You can not like the offering that is the Discovery Operations Pack. You can refuse to purchase it. But the accusations in here need to stop.
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  • starshine#7408 starshine Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    The ships are beautiful.
    Is it intended that the BOFFs can't wear faction uniforms only DSC uniforms though?
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  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 486 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    nommo#5819 wrote: »
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    Cryptic plans to make the combat pet account wide so buy now & cross your fingers?

    Was this on the live stream, I watched most of it but never heard this statement and the pack still states it's once per account?
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    Yeah, Kael said on the live stream that they will eventually make the combat pet an account unlock.

    Still, I wouldn't go buying anything until it's actually done. A verbal intent on a live stream isn't enough when you're talking the type of outrageous price this pack costs. Buy at your own risk, but if you want the combat pet for your account you should wait until it's actually implemented. If that takes until the sale is over, then fine.. skip it.

    Just remember the Starter Pack Bait and Switch scam.. you're not working with a company that's afraid to skirt the line when it comes to their customers. Keep that in mind before you type in a credit card number.

    I was the one on the stream that asked that question (gwindalmir).
    I took his answer to mean "it's something we're looking into, not sure yet. Definitely not at launch though."
    Though I didn't quite hear all of his answer, so I may have missed something.
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  • zerokillcf2011zerokillcf2011 Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    This is still weak.

    And enough players are going to cave and buy it now, that's all the "proof" Cryptic needs that this can become the new normal.
  • crm14916crm14916 Member Posts: 1,515 Arc User
    I will get the Gagarin... But not the pack. So if you see me flying around in the Shepard, don't harass me for caving in and such...

    :)
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