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  • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 7,711 Arc User
    drakan87f wrote: »
    even if i`m not happy with the no-romulan-ships-thing, i'm really glad that these new ships are really trek-looking….not like the flying toiletsets from the miracleworker-pack.

    I'm sorry...but BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That BoP looks like a ripoff g'ould deathglider or a necromonger ship. Not something out of star trek at all. The MW ship at least could have reasonable been from the trek universe...and the romulan ones were actually kinda nice looking too boot.
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 3,317 Arc User
    There's nothing particularly new/special Fed side. Wow a special ship skin, a costume piece and a ONCE ONLY ON ONE CHARACTER BOFF at that price? Pass completely. There some Asian mcrotransaction models that won't work in the West - and this pack makes full use of them.
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  • dirlettiadirlettia Member Posts: 1,599 Arc User
    I am wondering when we get the stats if these ships are all going to end up as scaling ships. May explain some things :shrug:

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  • iamynaughtiamynaught Member Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    dirlettia wrote: »
    I am wondering when we get the stats if these ships are all going to end up as scaling ships. May explain some things :shrug:

    Why would them potentially being scaling ships affect the price? Scaling ships is just the next gimmick in a long line of gimmicks. Just like prior to this it was ships with the Wingman mechanic. So on and so forth. The player base has been conditioned that top of the line, endgame ships cost $30. If they are planning on raising that price due to these ships potentially being scaling, they'd better be prepared for some major fallout.

    First, a lot of players don't tend to be MAJOR altaholics. A couple, sure, but I think it's safe to say that a majority of players don't like to level. So making scaling ships, while very nice, means that some players will never use the scaling function as they may never make a new alt.

    Second, if they truly want to make them scaling ships, (and in a way, encourage alts), they shot themselves in the foot making so many of the items in this pack 1 per account instead of one per character.

    Third, I think we've reached the top of the mountain as far as price for ships go at $30. There were a LOT of complaints when T6's were introduced. Not just that players felt their previous investment in T5's was wasted, but at the increase in price. Expect more of that if they do indeed try to raise prices again.

    I get that Cryptic is a business and they need to make money. But there is a tipping point where if you start charging too much, you lose more money from customers leaving your product than the increased prices bring in.

    I fully expect Cryptic to add more to this pack. And I bet they KNOW exactly what items they will be adding. They have to be holding things back in case the masses aren't satisfied with the initial offering. That way, when they do add things, it makes it seem like they listened and can be reasonable, despite the additions already being planned for inclusion in the first place.

    Maybe they'll "allow" the BOff's and pet to be account wide. There could be another ship or two added to each side. But even then, it's simply too expensive a bundle for what it has, compared to prior packs. A lower starting price absolutely would have to happen with the bundle as it stands right now before I'd even consider getting it. And I'm talking about half what they are currently wanting for it.
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  • garaks31garaks31 Member Posts: 2,661 Arc User
    edited February 10
    released packs in order

    romulan - with low level ships
    delta - end game ships
    tos - with low level ships
    gamma - end game ships

    dscvry - in this order should have low level , well scaling ships makes it easier for the team. less ship design time , fewer console powers balancing ...
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    I don't know what to say, Cryptic.

    This game, be it because of the new EP or just because you're getting greedy, is heading in a downward spiral.

    Too many changes from the previous "The account is the player" and bait and switch tactics surrounding stuff like the elite starter pack, is really starting to take it's toll on us.

    Go back to the drawing board, but I will give you a helpful hint..... Add at least 4 Fed (5 if you include the KDF) DSC era Fleet level ships, and make the once per account items once per character. Not including keys and boosts, of course.

    As it stands, even with the same discount that packs usually get, this is the worst deal in the history of the game's inception.

    You know it, we know it, so stop this silly stuff before it goes beyond your control....
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    sad that the thing I want most is the twok era ship skin and its the one thing locked out of individual purchases. :/ still as I said before given that we're close to 1yr since a rom faction ship, and that was the joke toilet brushes... I'd probably still keep my wallet closed even if I could get that separately and wait for my lifer zen to pile up to get it.
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  • starshine#7408 starshine Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    Maybe with this episode coming out in installments, the ships from later installments will be added to this as they come out?
    It'd be really nice to see the DaSpu, and maybe the Chargh or Sech for klingons. Engle and Crossfield are in lockboxes but the Cardenas is still available?
    Or UFP ships from the show that they can't announce until the show shows them?
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  • l0ralonl0ralon Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 10
    As a lifetime sub of nearly 9 years who has sunk nearly $2,000 real dollars into this game over those years, I can say I won't be buying this pack and will likely be leaving the game is this is the direction things are moving. Commenting on the forums for the first time ever because I feel that strongly that this is a gigantic middle finger to a loyal playerbase.
  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,108 Bug Hunter
    edited February 10
    Might as well add my 0.02ec to the pot. Though there is little I can say that wouldn't just be an echo of previous posts.

    Yes, I feel this bundle is overpriced for what it contains.
    Yes, I agree that the BOFFS/pet should be account unlocks.
    And, yes, I also am disappointed that the nicest looking ship in this bundle (which isn't really a ship, just a costume) is restricted to this overpriced/undervalued piece of [insert favored curse here].

    I will not be purchasing this bundle as it stands, however, I may consider purchasing that nifty looking battlecruiser should the stats be favorable.

    Very disappointed.
  • foxman00foxman00 Member Posts: 682 Arc User
    I will be purchasing this bundle, as the ships look beautiful and redesigned, along with the BOFFs, combat pets and uniforms. Decent price even without the discount though it could have been done better.

    Though, maybe look into some of the items being only once per account.

    I eagerly look forward to what else will be coming done the road with this Age of Discovery. Especially episodes which have been knocking it out of the park.
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  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 904 Arc User
    dirlettia wrote: »
    I am wondering when we get the stats if these ships are all going to end up as scaling ships. May explain some things :shrug:

    I do think that if the 4 package ships were scaling, that would add value to the package, especially Cryptic would say so, but then you have that Walker-class skin just there since the Prototype LEC (Light Exploration Cruiser) only scales up to 40 because who wants to own a special awesome unique uber ship skin for a 40 ship which would require owning the T6 version. I'm still not sure IF that was the case with the scaling I'd think the price for this amount, or lack thereof, of content would then be appropriate but it was be better.

    The BOFFs & maybe the combat pet being only once per account spits in the face of players & is contradictory of Cryptic's "the account is the player" apparent world-salad meant to maybe placate players. I think the best description I've read in these forums so far about this package is "anemic". I've been saying over the past year Cryptic plans to have us pay the same or more but for less all along adding more gambling mechanics. It's just more of the same & not only them we're seeing, hearing about, or experiencing it from other games too. It can be tough to penetrate an echo chamber sometimes with any dissent & Cryptic's seems to be a strong one.
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,030 Arc User
    Maybe with this episode coming out in installments, the ships from later installments will be added to this as they come out?
    It'd be really nice to see the DaSpu, and maybe the Chargh or Sech for klingons. Engle and Crossfield are in lockboxes but the Cardenas is still available?
    Or UFP ships from the show that they can't announce until the show shows them?

    Nothing actually prevents them from offering the Engle still in the C-store. Remember that the Mirror Escort Carrier is a Mirror ship, which is also a lock box ship. It features the trademark dual specialization seats that a lot of lock box ships seem to have. While it does unlock the use of the prime universe Engle skin, I don't feel it should be justified that the Engle should be exempt from a non-lock box version appearing.

    As for ships being added in installments, in the past, they have added things to these kind of packs as part of Expansions. However, since Age of Discovery isn't exactly an expansion, there's no prior precedent for this, so we have to see what happens. We don't even have a confirmed release date.


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  • lordbeefy7lordbeefy7 Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    Im interested in this as I love the look of the disco ships...BUT, I bought the disco starter pack and really think this should be discounted from the price of this new pack...fingers crossed I guess.
  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 12,878 Arc User
    Maybe with this episode coming out in installments, the ships from later installments will be added to this as they come out?
    It'd be really nice to see the DaSpu, and maybe the Chargh or Sech for klingons. Engle and Crossfield are in lockboxes but the Cardenas is still available?
    Or UFP ships from the show that they can't announce until the show shows them?

    Nothing actually prevents them from offering the Engle still in the C-store. Remember that the Mirror Escort Carrier is a Mirror ship, which is also a lock box ship. It features the trademark dual specialization seats that a lot of lock box ships seem to have. While it does unlock the use of the prime universe Engle skin, I don't feel it should be justified that the Engle should be exempt from a non-lock box version appearing.

    Other than the fact that, so far as we know at least, there isn't a 25th century skin for the Engle, which seems to be a pre-requisite in this case.
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  • irm1963irm1963 Member Posts: 671 Arc User
    edited February 11
    Probably would pass on this pack too normally, already got two DSC themed characters flying T6 Walker and Nimitz and didn't plan on rolling or reworking more Feds, but one or both of the Klingon ships (depends on stats and if the Qugh's flying in the right direction :)) and Tactical/DSC Klingon costumes were always on my wishlist so with the discount I might go for it. We'll see.

    Presumably the T'Kuvma costume comes with DSC "Klingorc" head parts like the Kelvin costume ? Can anyone confirm one way or the other ?

  • irm1963irm1963 Member Posts: 671 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Oh look, another pack with no romulan stuff.

    TBF no Romulans in Discovery. Probably ever.
  • jcswwjcsww Member Posts: 5,065 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    Way, way too many "once per account" restrictions on this one especially for the price. Will be passing on this one for sure, interesting as it may look.

    The BOff, combat pet, and ship skin for the Walker were my interest. Definitely not worth $120 though. Locking the Walker skin behind this pay wall is truly disappointing.
  • starcruiser#3423 starcruiser Member Posts: 541 Arc User
    I have bought every major pack in STO since launch. This is the first time I will pass, Why?

    1- This AoY pack is 5 months late. It should have been out when AoY launched back last October. Probably you would have made a ton of money back them instead of offering the dismal starter pack. It really looked as a RUSHED job and now we are supposed to pay up extra for laziness? Sorry but true.
    Some of us will be stuck with starter pack as there are no discounts if you got those already and want to buy the new one. Horrible marketing.

    2- The bind on character rather than on account is a horrible idea for packs. Please scrap this model. Every year they try to give us less and less for our money. This is the wrong precedent for things to come and not really adjusted to anything of worth if LoR was a baseline for ALL packs. Heck not even Delta Rising packs were this ill conceived. if you want money just sell the ships and put them on the Cstore. Leave packs for Major expansions as it has been done.​​
  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 12,878 Arc User
    Well, have to admit I'm hoping the console and trait of the Gagarin class are nothing too spectacular.

    That way I might obtain the Fleet version, which means no money spent (can use Stipend and reputation for Fleet modules).
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  • nevi1nevi1 Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    Bridge Officers should be account wide and not single unlock. No sale if that stays as it is. This pack also is not as worth it as the previous packs.
  • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 7,711 Arc User
    irm1963 wrote: »
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Oh look, another pack with no romulan stuff.

    TBF no Romulans in Discovery. Probably ever.

    I'm tired of being fair. This is almost a year now with nothing for Romulans...like I said, we don't even get a fraking TITLE. Not even the KDF had that level of abandonment. And the Dominion guys have had NOTHING since release and that is not okay either. Not even their vet ship. Which I understand not being there at release...but as a promised perk of LTS after a couple LTS sales...yeah that is also unexcusable.
  • sftricksftrick Member Posts: 45 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    I'm tired of being fair. This is almost a year now with nothing for Romulans...like I said, we don't even get a fraking TITLE. Not even the KDF had that level of abandonment. And the Dominion guys have had NOTHING since release and that is not okay either. Not even their vet ship. Which I understand not being there at release...but as a promised perk of LTS after a couple LTS sales...yeah that is also unexcusable.

    This is exactly why they gave Romulans and Jem Hadar faction ships at the beginning of ViL. Did anyone not see it coming?
  • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 7,711 Arc User
    edited February 15
    sftrick wrote: »
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    I'm tired of being fair. This is almost a year now with nothing for Romulans...like I said, we don't even get a fraking TITLE. Not even the KDF had that level of abandonment. And the Dominion guys have had NOTHING since release and that is not okay either. Not even their vet ship. Which I understand not being there at release...but as a promised perk of LTS after a couple LTS sales...yeah that is also unexcusable.

    This is exactly why they gave Romulans and Jem Hadar faction ships at the beginning of ViL. Did anyone not see it coming?

    No we did. It was a giant concern...but also remember that they kept saying that they will produce more Romulan ships. Not that we believed them of course...but they did say they would. There is nothing wrong with holding them accountable for what they promised. You know...when they had any credibility left in anycase. Between this, the starter pack bait and switch and a slew of other changes...the devs have pretty much whittled that down to nothing at this point. This game use to be one I really liked spending money on...and now I do that on a Korean ginder MMO (seriously, when a Korean grinder is listening to their players better than you...you are seriously doing something wrong). (Political comments moderated out. - BMR)
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,030 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Maybe with this episode coming out in installments, the ships from later installments will be added to this as they come out?
    It'd be really nice to see the DaSpu, and maybe the Chargh or Sech for klingons. Engle and Crossfield are in lockboxes but the Cardenas is still available?
    Or UFP ships from the show that they can't announce until the show shows them?

    Nothing actually prevents them from offering the Engle still in the C-store. Remember that the Mirror Escort Carrier is a Mirror ship, which is also a lock box ship. It features the trademark dual specialization seats that a lot of lock box ships seem to have. While it does unlock the use of the prime universe Engle skin, I don't feel it should be justified that the Engle should be exempt from a non-lock box version appearing.

    Other than the fact that, so far as we know at least, there isn't a 25th century skin for the Engle, which seems to be a pre-requisite in this case.

    So, you don't think that, considering they are MAKING discovery ships, that they might produce a 25th century skin for it?

    I hold optimism that they will make 25th century versions of all the Battle of Binary Stars ships before they make a 25th century skin for the Nova.

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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 10,049 Arc User
    edited February 11
    Romulans? After Phase 3 they intimated. ;)

    Jem'Hadar Lifetime Ships and Honored First Shuttle still to come also.

    After they 'allowed' Romulans to fly T5 and T6 Ships of their Allied Faction, my Romulan Characters have the largest Admiralty 'Fleet'. These Romulan Ships, when they come, better be really, really good. (Jem'Hadar as well).

    They still have some more T5 Lobi and Lockbox Ships to Upgrade to T6.

    Based upon what they pulled with the Elite Starter Pack, changing it to a Character only Services Pack unlock without notice anything is possible about their 'word'.
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 12,878 Arc User
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    Rightly so. A safe assumption considering how they've repeatedly demonstrated a lackof interest in the Nova class.
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  • alexhaydenalexhayden Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited February 12
    **Comment edited after finding out the four ships are in fact scalable.

    Though it might have been a good idea for Cryptic to have mentioned that small fact in the original post..**
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