That's the same page I linked. It states that "The Oberth was always intended to be a very small ship and definitely not the same size or even bigger than the Enterprise NCC-1701 (and) it seems unlikely that the Constitution refit, as the capital ship of those days, wouldn't be significantly larger than the Oberth.". It's very clear in the film that Grissom is supposed to be significantly smaller than Enterprise and similar in size if not smaller than the Bird of Prey that destroyed it.
And that that was later retconed by TNG. It's very clear they decided it was a larger ship and built it accordingly.
The page also acknowledges that "its appearance is neither technically reasonable, nor does it support the intended size of 120m. The ship obviously wasn't carefully designed by ILM." It explains the likely thought process that went into the inflated size used in certain TNG episodes, while noting that that size was contradicted more than once in TNG, sometimes within the same episode.
Regardless, Oberth is closer to a small craft than a true starship. It's barely more than a tug for the underslung sensor pod with only a single phaser bank for armament and minimal shields. It was one-shot killed by a Bird of Prey. Its combat capability is probably on par with, if not less than, a Danube runabout.
Citation needed. Regardless of your misconception on its size, you've just made up the lower hulls role (it has decks, it's not a sensor), nor is it close in size to a small craft even if it's only ~100m. No other small craft caps half that.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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The USS Pegasus was the ship Will Riker was assigned to that did work on the experimental phase cloaking device. That being said, I could see a T6 variant of the ship in the game with a phased cloaking console as part of the ship. I would even go further to have a 2pc bonus with the T1 console and T6 console. The T6 class could be the Peagsus class. Definitely something worth exploring.
and as i recall, there was an oberth present at veridian 3 to aid the rescue of the ent-d crew - and it was tiny next to the nebula that was also there
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An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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and as i recall, there was an oberth present at veridian 3 to aid the rescue of the ent-d crew - and it was tiny next to the nebula that was also there
You are correct. The Nebula and Galaxy Class share the same dimension when it comes to saucer.
But when you compare the Oberth in TNG to the one near a Nebula it again makes no sense...
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
yeah, so...just another example of how no one working on star trek can keep things consistent, even from within the same series
just as bad as the defiant with 3 sizes
You do realize literally every starship on Star Trek have different versions being mixed throughout the series.. The Constitution Class has inaccuracies. The Enterprise D changes between a thick saucer and a slim saucer with different window layout throughout the later seasons.
The Oberth Class is weird in size.
Interpid has a different window layout in some episodes.
The thing is most is written down, but then they mix around models and things get confusing.
But you still gotta give Star Trek credit for very few mistakes compared to other franchies, and when you take into account how massive the Star Trek universe is.
Plot twist.. What if the Oberth comes in different sizes? Just like the Ford Ranger comes in XL and XLT. Lmao.
The USS Pegasus was the ship Will Riker was assigned to that did work on the experimental phase cloaking device. That being said, I could see a T6 variant of the ship in the game with a phased cloaking console as part of the ship. I would even go further to have a 2pc bonus with the T1 console and T6 console. The T6 class could be the Peagsus class. Definitely something worth exploring.
So they COULD explain away that the "larger" Oberth style ships were of the Pegasus class? Since it had advanced technology that was on the Ent-D and some that wasn't being used yet? Assuming probably more than just the phased cloak? But I could see that as the solution. Give it some modern flare similar to all the other reboot ships coming into T6, add another console. I'd buy it to add to the collection.
Not sure how you'd make a T6 cannon fodder ship...
Sounds interesting though.
Well... we have a T6 Miranda, a Lobi T6 NX, a promo T6 Connie...
The difference between those ships and the Oberth is, that while we have seen those other ships in battle taking a pounding, over and over and over... All we've ever seen the Oberth do, is playing a glorified sensor-probe, a over-sized shuttle or blowing up.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Not sure how you'd make a T6 cannon fodder ship...
Sounds interesting though.
Well... we have a T6 Miranda, a Lobi T6 NX, a promo T6 Connie...
The difference between those ships and the Oberth is, that while we have seen those other ships in battle taking a pounding, over and over and over... All we've ever seen the Oberth do, is playing a glorified sensor-probe, a over-sized shuttle or blowing up.
To be fair the Miranda Class is now a T6 and that was the ultimate ship to die during the series. Especially in the Dominion War.
But STO has always been weird with actual ships from the shows coming into the game. The Miranda was a "frigate" as per DS9 and Dominion war, always referred to in ref to the "frigate wings"; same for Voyager, in the TV show she was a "destroyer" and in STO Because Janeway was all science-centric.....its suddenly a science vessel.
So they can pretty much do whatever they want. Involve temporal stuff, or bored Ferengi that "found" a stash of ship X to refit/rehab...etc, etc.....
If they *think* it will sell for Zen, *and* it doesn't take much work to create the 3d models and stats....we will get the ship eventually.
But STO has always been weird with actual ships from the shows coming into the game. The Miranda was a "frigate" as per DS9 and Dominion war, always referred to in ref to the "frigate wings"; same for Voyager, in the TV show she was a "destroyer" and in STO Because Janeway was all science-centric.....its suddenly a science vessel.
So they can pretty much do whatever they want. Involve temporal stuff, or bored Ferengi that "found" a stash of ship X to refit/rehab...etc, etc.....
If they *think* it will sell for Zen, *and* it doesn't take much work to create the 3d models and stats....we will get the ship eventually.
In Star Trek Legacy the Galaxy Class is a "Destroyer" and in Star Trek Conquest the Galaxy Class is suddenly a "Dreadnought" in real terms most Star Trek ships fall into Frigate, Escort, Science, Explorer.. We'd have a massive list of explorer ships, having to split the ships into more terms is needed in video games, simple as that.
Not sure how you'd make a T6 cannon fodder ship...
Sounds interesting though.
Well... we have a T6 Miranda, a Lobi T6 NX, a promo T6 Connie...
The difference between those ships and the Oberth is, that while we have seen those other ships in battle taking a pounding, over and over and over... All we've ever seen the Oberth do, is playing a glorified sensor-probe, a over-sized shuttle or blowing up.
To be fair the Miranda Class is now a T6 and that was the ultimate ship to die during the series. Especially in the Dominion War.
In sacrifice of angles, the Mirandas escorting the Defiant were destroyed minutes before she broke through.
During the invasion of cardassia, it was the same... They held on through most of the battle at Chin'toka.
I fully acknowledge that, and I recognize that most (all) the ships of these classes (except the NX) that we've seen, have ultimately blown up - especially the Mirandas... But in that scenario, you also have to consider WHEN in the battle they were seen blow up.
BUT: How many Oberths were shown during the same engagements?
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
But STO has always been weird with actual ships from the shows coming into the game. The Miranda was a "frigate" as per DS9 and Dominion war, always referred to in ref to the "frigate wings"; same for Voyager, in the TV show she was a "destroyer" and in STO Because Janeway was all science-centric.....its suddenly a science vessel.
So they can pretty much do whatever they want. Involve temporal stuff, or bored Ferengi that "found" a stash of ship X to refit/rehab...etc, etc.....
If they *think* it will sell for Zen, *and* it doesn't take much work to create the 3d models and stats....we will get the ship eventually.
In Star Trek Legacy the Galaxy Class is a "Destroyer" and in Star Trek Conquest the Galaxy Class is suddenly a "Dreadnought" in real terms most Star Trek ships fall into Frigate, Escort, Science, Explorer.. We'd have a massive list of explorer ships, having to split the ships into more terms is needed in video games, simple as that.
My comment was specific to broadcast canon, not expanded canon. If we started getting into Star Trek GAMES......sheesh....Star Fleet Battles had andromedans, Seltorians kicked the tholians out of their galaxy, the ISC......Star Trek Command, every species had full on CARRIERS with LOADS of fighters......etc, etc, etc. When the likeness rights get sold off for third party games, or books, all sorts of liberties are taken. TV series, and Movies are undisputable and STO blatently ignores even that baseline. And there WERE plenty of science vessels throughout the series.....it was more Cryptic having to create ship LEVELS that torqued everything. In previous Star Trek games, it was more your experience and success that allowed you to buy bigger/better/repair/upgrade. Better game mechanic honestly, especially since you can go BACK to the first missions you play and the NPC's auto-level beyond the floating targets you originally encountered.
And in hindsite, it would have been way easier to just program all the ships in with console slots and bridge officer ranks opening up as you gain experience in the universe. You are awarded points as you level up (same as STO does now), but then you chose how you want to apply them. Would have given loads of variety to the games too, even if they kept with the current final (T6) configuration of any ship as the only maximum allowable loadout/configuration (so you couldn't give a defiant 7 tac consoles for example). But then you could fly whatever ship you loved at whatever time it became available to you....all the way up to end game and it would be a handicap.
This certainly is a strange kettle being brewed from what was such an innocent request. I mean, really... who cares if it's small? You want a small ship that should be a starship because it's huge as a small ship? The Tal'Kyr, D'Kyr's support ship. That thing is bigger than a Miranda yet it's 'only' a shuttle. Explain that away. I still see no issues with the Oberth getting a T6. If the Miranda and Constitution can and the Defiant is already, what's the matter with the Oberth?
Ok, I am getting a little fed up with the whole "size matters" discussion.
The Defiant was a small ship... She was DESIGNED to have more teeth then brains... Sisko even stated as much, when he described out the concept that lead to her.
The Excelsior class was 80 years old at the time of DS9, and the refit of her was enough to stand up (not win, but stand up) to the Defiant. The only reason they did not destroy each other, was because both refused to use their Quantum torpedoes.
A RUNABOUT took down a dominion bugship.
Size is irrelevant when it comes to power... what matters is either the power at it's disposal, or it's knowledge of the enemy.
The Oberth could be 100 meters or 1000... EVERY time we've seen her, shes been a Sensor, a shuttle or target practice....
I am sorry... Size dosen't matter - move on.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
I'm all for a T6 Oberth ship. It's a unique design, and as we have most other older designs at end game, I think it's only a matter of time for the devs to get to it. I would have a hard time choosing between my T6 Miranda and a T6 Oberth.
I would also be interested in seeing that class of ship brought into the 25th Century the way the Reliant Class was. As others have suggested, call it the Grissom class, give it a good 25th Century skin and I think the majority of folks will be happy with the outcome.
Of course, it's about two years before the thirty-fifth anniversary of The Search for Spock, so we might be waiting until then.
Has it ever actually been established how the crew gets from the upper hull to the lower in those things?
There is no lower hull. The thing that looks like a secondary hull is a large unmanned sensor pod. The only reason anyone would ever go there would be if it needs to be repaired, and presumably the engineering repair teams are beamed there and back.
The MSD shows decks in there and the interior sets from the TOS films, the cut open Vico from TNG and the comparison between the Tsiolkovsky and Ent-D means the ship is about 200-300m, more than big enough to have turbolifts in the pylons.
That size makes no sense, none whatsoever. At that size it would rival the Constitution Refit, meaning a scout / survey ship the same size as a capital ship of the line! It would also dwarf the Bird of Prey that killed it in one shot. Nothing about an Oberth that large makes any sense in the context of the film for which it was created. The TNG episode that re-used the model portrayed it wrong.
Meaning a scout would be similar in size (but not volume or mass) as an explorer since superseded by the Excelsior. No part of a tiny ship makes sense as can be seen here.
The TNG episode that built a new model from scratch with decks thought out by a designer who'd seen the interior sets used as being too large for the tiny ship.
That's the same page I linked. It states that "The Oberth was always intended to be a very small ship and definitely not the same size or even bigger than the Enterprise NCC-1701 (and) it seems unlikely that the Constitution refit, as the capital ship of those days, wouldn't be significantly larger than the Oberth.". It's very clear in the film that Grissom is supposed to be significantly smaller than Enterprise and similar in size if not smaller than the Bird of Prey that destroyed it.
The page also acknowledges that "its appearance is neither technically reasonable, nor does it support the intended size of 120m. The ship obviously wasn't carefully designed by ILM." It explains the likely thought process that went into the inflated size used in certain TNG episodes, while noting that that size was contradicted more than once in TNG, sometimes within the same episode.
The conclusion drawn there is that 120m is official but too small to be feasible at all, and 300m as shown in TNG "Hero Worship" is entirely too large to work in the context of Star Trek III. Many if not most of the re-uses of the model in TNG are questionable at best and can be taken with a grain of salt. It suggests a 150m compromise size that solves the worst of the issues with the design while retaining the plot-relevant size comparisons with the other vessels in that film.
Regardless, Oberth is closer to a small craft than a true starship. It's barely more than a tug for the underslung sensor pod with only a single phaser bank for armament and minimal shields. It was one-shot killed by a Bird of Prey. Its combat capability is probably on par with, if not less than, a Danube runabout.
That said, 31rst century technology enabled Kal Dano to fight 25th century Tholians in a ship no larger than a shuttlecraft. I'm sure some handwaving about future tech and miniaturization and such could create a semi-plausible excuse for a Temporal vessel disguised as an Oberth that functions as a solid science vessel. It would be one hell of a sleeper, that's for sure.
Well, we seen Mirandas being one hit killed, or some Klingons the same way.
It didn't only get destroyed in one hit, It got accidentally destroyed because they were actually just trying to disable it at the time.
That's how frail that thing is. :P
A T6 Oberth just does not make sense by any stretch of the imagination, for the simple fact that the ship was not in any way built for combat. Minimal defenses with only "one" phaser bank.(with no indication that the ship class even carried weapons of any kind prior to First Contact)
People might argue that T6 Miranda and Constitution don't make sense either, but at least those ships are actually heavily armed combat capable vessels to begin with.
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I'd be all for a T6 Oberth if it got the devs to finally fix the dual beam bank problem. Last time I tried a DBB on an Oberth, the starboard beam fired from the center of the saucer.
Enthusiastically voicing my support for a T6 Oberth! It has always been my favorite ship, and probably always will be. I fly it as often as possible. Its innovative design and frequent use in multiple TV series and movies makes it a ubiquitous part of Star Trek. I think it deserves the same amazing skin and model updating that has been given to other canon Federation ships in the game, and I hope the generous talents who have been updating these ships in their free time will find the support they need from their employers to permit a T6 Oberth to happen.
Dunno if you can see it, but the 3d Oberth model I have has a TMP style neck under the main hull, connection the two. I can make another render if you guys would like, and I think a T6 Oberth could get the Miranda treatment with a new class, with optional Oberth skin.
I do like the Sov style nacelles on that render, they are nice
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Dunno if you can see it, but the 3d Oberth model I have has a TMP style neck under the main hull, connection the two. I can make another render if you guys would like, and I think a T6 Oberth could get the Miranda treatment with a new class, with optional Oberth skin.
I do like the Sov style nacelles on that render, they are nice
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And that that was later retconed by TNG. It's very clear they decided it was a larger ship and built it accordingly.
No, but the cutaway model was.
Citation needed. Regardless of your misconception on its size, you've just made up the lower hulls role (it has decks, it's not a sensor), nor is it close in size to a small craft even if it's only ~100m. No other small craft caps half that.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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You are correct. The Nebula and Galaxy Class share the same dimension when it comes to saucer.
But when you compare the Oberth in TNG to the one near a Nebula it again makes no sense...
HUGE Oberth. (TNG TV Series)
TINY Oberth. (TNG Movie)
just as bad as the defiant with 3 sizes
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
You do realize literally every starship on Star Trek have different versions being mixed throughout the series.. The Constitution Class has inaccuracies. The Enterprise D changes between a thick saucer and a slim saucer with different window layout throughout the later seasons.
The Oberth Class is weird in size.
Interpid has a different window layout in some episodes.
The thing is most is written down, but then they mix around models and things get confusing.
But you still gotta give Star Trek credit for very few mistakes compared to other franchies, and when you take into account how massive the Star Trek universe is.
Plot twist.. What if the Oberth comes in different sizes? Just like the Ford Ranger comes in XL and XLT. Lmao.
So they COULD explain away that the "larger" Oberth style ships were of the Pegasus class? Since it had advanced technology that was on the Ent-D and some that wasn't being used yet? Assuming probably more than just the phased cloak? But I could see that as the solution. Give it some modern flare similar to all the other reboot ships coming into T6, add another console. I'd buy it to add to the collection.
The difference between those ships and the Oberth is, that while we have seen those other ships in battle taking a pounding, over and over and over... All we've ever seen the Oberth do, is playing a glorified sensor-probe, a over-sized shuttle or blowing up.
To be fair the Miranda Class is now a T6 and that was the ultimate ship to die during the series. Especially in the Dominion War.
So they can pretty much do whatever they want. Involve temporal stuff, or bored Ferengi that "found" a stash of ship X to refit/rehab...etc, etc.....
If they *think* it will sell for Zen, *and* it doesn't take much work to create the 3d models and stats....we will get the ship eventually.
In Star Trek Legacy the Galaxy Class is a "Destroyer" and in Star Trek Conquest the Galaxy Class is suddenly a "Dreadnought" in real terms most Star Trek ships fall into Frigate, Escort, Science, Explorer.. We'd have a massive list of explorer ships, having to split the ships into more terms is needed in video games, simple as that.
In sacrifice of angles, the Mirandas escorting the Defiant were destroyed minutes before she broke through.
During the invasion of cardassia, it was the same... They held on through most of the battle at Chin'toka.
I fully acknowledge that, and I recognize that most (all) the ships of these classes (except the NX) that we've seen, have ultimately blown up - especially the Mirandas... But in that scenario, you also have to consider WHEN in the battle they were seen blow up.
BUT: How many Oberths were shown during the same engagements?
My comment was specific to broadcast canon, not expanded canon. If we started getting into Star Trek GAMES......sheesh....Star Fleet Battles had andromedans, Seltorians kicked the tholians out of their galaxy, the ISC......Star Trek Command, every species had full on CARRIERS with LOADS of fighters......etc, etc, etc. When the likeness rights get sold off for third party games, or books, all sorts of liberties are taken. TV series, and Movies are undisputable and STO blatently ignores even that baseline. And there WERE plenty of science vessels throughout the series.....it was more Cryptic having to create ship LEVELS that torqued everything. In previous Star Trek games, it was more your experience and success that allowed you to buy bigger/better/repair/upgrade. Better game mechanic honestly, especially since you can go BACK to the first missions you play and the NPC's auto-level beyond the floating targets you originally encountered.
And in hindsite, it would have been way easier to just program all the ships in with console slots and bridge officer ranks opening up as you gain experience in the universe. You are awarded points as you level up (same as STO does now), but then you chose how you want to apply them. Would have given loads of variety to the games too, even if they kept with the current final (T6) configuration of any ship as the only maximum allowable loadout/configuration (so you couldn't give a defiant 7 tac consoles for example). But then you could fly whatever ship you loved at whatever time it became available to you....all the way up to end game and it would be a handicap.
The Defiant was a small ship... She was DESIGNED to have more teeth then brains... Sisko even stated as much, when he described out the concept that lead to her.
The Excelsior class was 80 years old at the time of DS9, and the refit of her was enough to stand up (not win, but stand up) to the Defiant. The only reason they did not destroy each other, was because both refused to use their Quantum torpedoes.
A RUNABOUT took down a dominion bugship.
Size is irrelevant when it comes to power... what matters is either the power at it's disposal, or it's knowledge of the enemy.
The Oberth could be 100 meters or 1000... EVERY time we've seen her, shes been a Sensor, a shuttle or target practice....
I am sorry... Size dosen't matter - move on.
I would also be interested in seeing that class of ship brought into the 25th Century the way the Reliant Class was. As others have suggested, call it the Grissom class, give it a good 25th Century skin and I think the majority of folks will be happy with the outcome.
Of course, it's about two years before the thirty-fifth anniversary of The Search for Spock, so we might be waiting until then.
That said, the best T1 ship I would say is the Oberth, simply because of Sensor analysis.
The sci ship in need of a T6 is the nova
Yes, you're right it's silly..
But so is the idea of a T6 Miranda and a T6 Constitution Class.
This game left silly in the rear view years ago.
It didn't only get destroyed in one hit, It got accidentally destroyed because they were actually just trying to disable it at the time.
That's how frail that thing is. :P
A T6 Oberth just does not make sense by any stretch of the imagination, for the simple fact that the ship was not in any way built for combat. Minimal defenses with only "one" phaser bank.(with no indication that the ship class even carried weapons of any kind prior to First Contact)
People might argue that T6 Miranda and Constitution don't make sense either, but at least those ships are actually heavily armed combat capable vessels to begin with.
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I do like the Sov style nacelles on that render, they are nice
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I do like the Sov style nacelles on that render, they are nice
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Not bad, but I'd rather have Bailey's Millenium Defiant.
Can she do the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs ?
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