3/3 weapons? Really? On a ship that massive at Tier 6? At tier 6 we got cruisers and escorts fielding 5 fore, at Tier 5 we even have that. Since tier 4 my tactical officer has recieved ships with better weapon loadouts, more hull, and general great improvements. My fellow science players on the other hand have gotten what boils down to a Tier 4 science ship with slightly better hull and bridge layout, sometimes with a fancy costume.
This ship, going by the size comparison to the intrepid tweeted the other day. is massive. As big if not bigger than an Odyssey and easily twice the mass. So why 3/3 why not finally give science characters that little bit of DPS they've been lacking for nearly 6 years and give them 4/3? It's certainly not game breaking. As a carrier, as a ship this massive, it should easily field a 4/3 if not a 4/4 loadout.
On an unrelated note, the Callisto model should replace the Yellowstones that are called in by the pilot Reinforcements Squadron
I agree
"Our history, our past, our present and our future is now forever changed. All we can do is preserve what is left and continue onwards. This is not a surrender nor defeat, we will continue the fight. This is our last hope, our last chance... for victory."
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I wonder.......they don't normally reveal stats this early in the week,is it coming after maintenance tomorrow? (well it says tomorrow in the launcher anyway!)
I wonder.......they don't normally reveal stats this early in the week,is it coming after maintenance tomorrow? (well it says tomorrow in the launcher anyway!)
something I didn't catch since Thursday (the normal patch day) is get fat on food day and prepare for the madness at the stores night.
But, it is of little matter to me since I will stick with my t5u vesta.
Also, just to add to the crazy arguments here about the ship...why cant it get pilot skills too, something that big should be able to barrel roll no problem, it also needs 14/36 weapons placement nothing but turrets that are shield powered, and a giant snowcone maker in the special bridge design....
So very happy to see the carrier make a T6 appearance. Now my FED Admirals can fly their pennant from a Flagship that is not a cruiser.
When I don't want to fly a beam boat A2B build, there are fun alternatives besides Drake builds. I am sorry for the many Tac -Beam cruiser & newer STO gamers who do not understand a Carrier with SCI / Intel. There is hope for you, but if you never learned the Breen carrier, or the Klingon carrier, this FED carrier will also be a mystery for some time. I have played several Sheshar builds with both the Command Variant and the Intel Variant for my primary who gets all the Elachi lockboxes. I vastly prefer the Intel version. The current pet AI is less than it was, but then I don't use carriers in PVP ... ever ... wow- sorry the negative vibes in those posts might be contagious. Where is the quantum shifter thingy? Ah!
Trendy - this is feedback from a paying subscriber who is a continuing customer for the game. I like the art team work here. Thanks for your efforts. I will be very happy to fly this, and I have saved the Carrier related traits up for this for some time. Please share my appreciation with your team. Looking forward to the coming ships, species, seasons and expansions(!).
I am going to laugh when the DPS channel blows a fuse trying to DPS a carrier with 20+ DPS as if it were a cruiser. Yeah elitists, welcome to the poor man's life, where we use the workhorses of the fleet. But seriously cryptic shut up and take my money for this one, I am saving zen for this.
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Ok guys, seriously, stop giving Trendy such a hard time. She is by far the best thing we have going for us in bringing our concerns to the powers that be. And as she said at least three times, she's working on the KDF/Rom sci thing. Let's let her do her thing and not make her job miserable.
Trendy: you do good work.
Now, back to the carrier. I like, and I will get. I am a little confused with the crescent shape on the ventral hull. Shouldn't that be a secondary deflector?
What is the role of a carrier ship in general?
Its role is to be the operations-center of a battlegroup, it is a flying/swimming fortress, a mobile command center where the battle is organised and controlled. Its main purpose is to support from distance. A carrier is just effective in a group of escort and battle-cruiser ships. It does not engage the enemy on its own, it has a lot of fighter-type vessels that can be send to attack the enemy. A carrier is a massive slow moving vehicle, but it moves constantly and marches towards an area where it can be used to take control and patrol it with its small fighters.
What class should a carrier be in STO?
There are 3 classes in this game. Tactical, Engineer & Science. Tactical is the Damage-Dealer one, Engineer is the one you would call "Healer" in other MMO's, while Science would be the "Wizard" or "Magician" type. The Latter, Science, is the support class in this game. So a pure carrier is obviously a Science ship. Dont mix it with hybrids like Escort-Carriers. We are talking about a carrier-only ship here.
So following these assumptions, I would make a carrier (fleet t6 stats here) like this:
•Console Modifications: 2 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 5 Science
•Base Turn Rate: 4 degrees per second
•Impulse Modifier: 0.10
•Inertia: 20
•+10 Shield Power, +15 Auxiliary Power
•Hangar Bays: 10 (yes, ten!)
•Starship Ability Package (Science Carrier)
•Built-in Point-Defense-System
•Cruiser Commands: Shield Frequency Modulation & Attrac fire
•Hyper Advanced Quantum Slipstream Drive (60 sec Slipstream instead of 30)
•Can load Dual Cannons
(NO Sensor analysis & NO Sub-System Targeting & NO 2nd Deflector)
As you see the carrier-ship itself has practically no offensive abilitys, but it is a hell of a tank and able to spam tons of pets. Damage can only come from Sci-Stuff and pets, thats why it has 10 Hangar Bays (Frigate-Pets should be limited to 1 or 2 maybe). The reason why I dont want to see SA, SST & 2nd Deflector on a carrier is, because it is not a pure-science ship, its focus is on the carrier-command-support role.
Alternatively, I think this could also be made an Engineering ship, with focus on healing-support. So you could spam those Repair-Drone Pets for example.
The only thing wrong with the Jupiter (besides not being the superior Beta design) is the game community's own metagame. They've FAW'd for so long that they've blasted away the expertise required to have success in a carriers. They've gotten off easy for far too long with dreadnought carriers and pets with Attack Pattern Beta.
In my opinion since it's a one of a kind newly designed carrier it should atleast have 5 fore and 3 aft weapons with 4 tactical, 4 engineering, and 5 science console slots. Increase the turn rate by 2 and increase it's hull by a little.
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In my opinion since it's a one of a kind newly designed carrier it should atleast have 5 fore and 3 aft weapons with 4 tactical, 4 engineering, and 5 science console slots. Increase the turn rate by 2 and increase it's hull by a little.
13 consoles?! Is this a T7 ship? :P
ruff, meow, moo, whatever.... *shrug* [ Still Waiting for a Shiny New T6 Romulan Science Ship to Command ]
3/3 weapons? Really? On a ship that massive at Tier 6? At tier 6 we got cruisers and escorts fielding 5 fore, at Tier 5 we even have that. Since tier 4 my tactical officer has recieved ships with better weapon loadouts, more hull, and general great improvements. My fellow science players on the other hand have gotten what boils down to a Tier 4 science ship with slightly better hull and bridge layout, sometimes with a fancy costume.
This ship, going by the size comparison to the intrepid tweeted the other day. is massive. As big if not bigger than an Odyssey and easily twice the mass. So why 3/3 why not finally give science characters that little bit of DPS they've been lacking for nearly 6 years and give them 4/3? It's certainly not game breaking. As a carrier, as a ship this massive, it should easily field a 4/3 if not a 4/4 loadout.
On an unrelated note, the Callisto model should replace the Yellowstones that are called in by the pilot Reinforcements Squadron
I agree
SO DO I.....
Also they need to have at least a Lt Cmdr ranking for either the Tac or Universal seat. Plus a turn rating of 7 or greater.
Seariously Cryptic..... WHAT THE &#$% MAN!!!
You better fix this error prior to ship launch or I'll be writing you guys an in game ticket about this!
Something I've wondered about for a long time is why there aren't any 3 or 4 hangar, proper carrier ships. I'd even take 2/2 weapon slots on the thing if I could send out an actual fighter group instead of just 12 buddies laughing about.
This is pretty much a vo'quv with more bells and whistles. The irony still comes back to an infamous dev who said carriers are unique to the KDF so the federation will never have a carrier lol. So this one is making the one ship that was "unique" at one time just another thing to take to the back seat lol. Good job cryptic rofl. If anything though what will happen is that they will give us a copy and paste so I'm not holding my breath on that one lol.
A question about the 2 Callisto Light Escort hangar pets...
In terms of functionality and fire power ( generally speaking ), would having 2 Callisto Light Escort hangar pets be about the same as having two Defiant class ships as pets or more like when the Prometheus splits into three parts?
I think I should get a medal or a drink for reading this whole thread.
I'm not sure who I should more sad for. Trendy, people who like science more then tactical, the KDF, Romulans, or people trying to turn a SCIENCE CARRIER into yet another dreadnought.
This is pretty much a vo'quv with more bells and whistles. The irony still comes back to an infamous dev who said carriers are unique to the KDF so the federation will never have a carrier lol. So this one is making the one ship that was "unique" at one time just another thing to take to the back seat lol. Good job cryptic rofl. If anything though what will happen is that they will give us a copy and paste so I'm not holding my breath on that one lol.
i WISH that this Ship was Similar to the Voquv (T6 upgraded) but NOPE, Voquv has a LtCom Tac AND 4 Tac Consoles (Fleet T5U)
so if at all, than its like a Voquv with its teeth kicked in. Like i said before, this is nothing but a Reskinned Atrox V1.5 with frigattes Enabled, so another Science Heavy Carrier when there is allready one, sorry but i dont buy this NOT even for a DOLLAR
*Sigh* Supporting trying to get a playable Jupiter for years and we get Another Science Vessel. At least give it a Lt.Cmdr. Tac station for sanity's sake.
Ok so now Fed have better Carrier than Klg... And these pets are totally op.
with a proper Pet AI they could be deadly (like the Vadvaur AI for the Assault Ships) but with the AI that we have, all they will do is to fly Circles around the enemys and fire with their 2 Turrets, and of course chase after every Warp Core Breach they can find, to blow themselfs up, like all pets like to do
*Sigh* Supporting trying to get a playable Jupiter for years and we get Another Science Vessel. At least give it a Lt.Cmdr. Tac station for sanity's sake.
i hear ya.....waiting like forever for a Jupiter and Typhoon...now we at least get something that is called the Jupiter Class and resembles it..when in fact its nothing but a Atrox V1.5....yep i definately hear ya......
After some discussion, we finally settled on making a Carrier. Starfleet players have access to plenty of Escort and Cruiser options, but not very many Science ships and even fewer Carriers. This gave us a perfect opportunity to fill that gap.
Insult to Injury (Starship Trait)
Taken with a sense of humor this is freakin' genius. That's how I'm choosing to take it, anyway.
Callisto Light Escort
Availability: EC Store
Weapons:
1x Quad Phaser Cannons (Fore)
1x Dual Heavy Phaser Cannons (Fore)
1x Photon Torpedo Launcher (Fore)
2x Phaser Turrets (Aft)
Abilities:
Torpedo: High Yield I
Cannon: Scatter Volley I
Scratch the Paint
Scratch the Paint alone makes these things great, not to mention the rather heavy payload compared to most other Frigate pets. All in all, very nice hangar pets.
I think I should get a medal or a drink for reading this whole thread.
I'm not sure who I should more sad for. Trendy, people who like science more then tactical, the KDF, Romulans, or people trying to turn a SCIENCE CARRIER into yet another dreadnought.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
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I agree
"Our history, our past, our present and our future is now forever changed. All we can do is preserve what is left and continue onwards. This is not a surrender nor defeat, we will continue the fight. This is our last hope, our last chance... for victory."
Vlasek D. Lasor - 4.19.3580
Star Trek Online: Foundry Storyline Series
something I didn't catch since Thursday (the normal patch day) is get fat on food day and prepare for the madness at the stores night.
But, it is of little matter to me since I will stick with my t5u vesta.
Also, just to add to the crazy arguments here about the ship...why cant it get pilot skills too, something that big should be able to barrel roll no problem, it also needs 14/36 weapons placement nothing but turrets that are shield powered, and a giant snowcone maker in the special bridge design....
When I don't want to fly a beam boat A2B build, there are fun alternatives besides Drake builds. I am sorry for the many Tac -Beam cruiser & newer STO gamers who do not understand a Carrier with SCI / Intel. There is hope for you, but if you never learned the Breen carrier, or the Klingon carrier, this FED carrier will also be a mystery for some time. I have played several Sheshar builds with both the Command Variant and the Intel Variant for my primary who gets all the Elachi lockboxes. I vastly prefer the Intel version. The current pet AI is less than it was, but then I don't use carriers in PVP ... ever ... wow- sorry the negative vibes in those posts might be contagious. Where is the quantum shifter thingy? Ah!
Trendy - this is feedback from a paying subscriber who is a continuing customer for the game. I like the art team work here. Thanks for your efforts. I will be very happy to fly this, and I have saved the Carrier related traits up for this for some time. Please share my appreciation with your team. Looking forward to the coming ships, species, seasons and expansions(!).
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Trendy: you do good work.
Now, back to the carrier. I like, and I will get. I am a little confused with the crescent shape on the ventral hull. Shouldn't that be a secondary deflector?
Its role is to be the operations-center of a battlegroup, it is a flying/swimming fortress, a mobile command center where the battle is organised and controlled. Its main purpose is to support from distance. A carrier is just effective in a group of escort and battle-cruiser ships. It does not engage the enemy on its own, it has a lot of fighter-type vessels that can be send to attack the enemy. A carrier is a massive slow moving vehicle, but it moves constantly and marches towards an area where it can be used to take control and patrol it with its small fighters.
What class should a carrier be in STO?
There are 3 classes in this game. Tactical, Engineer & Science. Tactical is the Damage-Dealer one, Engineer is the one you would call "Healer" in other MMO's, while Science would be the "Wizard" or "Magician" type. The Latter, Science, is the support class in this game. So a pure carrier is obviously a Science ship. Dont mix it with hybrids like Escort-Carriers. We are talking about a carrier-only ship here.
So following these assumptions, I would make a carrier (fleet t6 stats here) like this:
•Hull Strength: 70.000 at level 60
•Shield Modifier: 1.95
•Crew: 7.500
•Weapons: 2 Fore, 2 Aft
•Device Slots: 4
•Bridge Officer Stations:
1 Lieutenant Tactical,
1 Ensign Universal,
1 Commander Science/Command,
1 Lieutenant Commander Science,
1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering,
•Console Modifications: 2 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 5 Science
•Base Turn Rate: 4 degrees per second
•Impulse Modifier: 0.10
•Inertia: 20
•+10 Shield Power, +15 Auxiliary Power
•Hangar Bays: 10 (yes, ten!)
•Starship Ability Package (Science Carrier)
•Built-in Point-Defense-System
•Cruiser Commands: Shield Frequency Modulation & Attrac fire
•Hyper Advanced Quantum Slipstream Drive (60 sec Slipstream instead of 30)
•Can load Dual Cannons
(NO Sensor analysis & NO Sub-System Targeting & NO 2nd Deflector)
As you see the carrier-ship itself has practically no offensive abilitys, but it is a hell of a tank and able to spam tons of pets. Damage can only come from Sci-Stuff and pets, thats why it has 10 Hangar Bays (Frigate-Pets should be limited to 1 or 2 maybe). The reason why I dont want to see SA, SST & 2nd Deflector on a carrier is, because it is not a pure-science ship, its focus is on the carrier-command-support role.
Alternatively, I think this could also be made an Engineering ship, with focus on healing-support. So you could spam those Repair-Drone Pets for example.
My character Tsin'xing
"Our history, our past, our present and our future is now forever changed. All we can do is preserve what is left and continue onwards. This is not a surrender nor defeat, we will continue the fight. This is our last hope, our last chance... for victory."
Vlasek D. Lasor - 4.19.3580
Star Trek Online: Foundry Storyline Series
13 consoles?! Is this a T7 ship? :P
[ Still Waiting for a Shiny New T6 Romulan Science Ship to Command ]
SO DO I.....
Also they need to have at least a Lt Cmdr ranking for either the Tac or Universal seat. Plus a turn rating of 7 or greater.
Seariously Cryptic.....
WHAT THE &#$% MAN!!!
You better fix this error prior to ship launch or I'll be writing you guys an in game ticket about this!
I know. I should be ashamed of myself.
I'm working on trying to make that a reality. You can stop posting about that.
Thank you Trendy, I'm grateful for that.
In terms of functionality and fire power ( generally speaking ), would having 2 Callisto Light Escort hangar pets be about the same as having two Defiant class ships as pets or more like when the Prometheus splits into three parts?
I'm not sure who I should more sad for. Trendy, people who like science more then tactical, the KDF, Romulans, or people trying to turn a SCIENCE CARRIER into yet another dreadnought.
i WISH that this Ship was Similar to the Voquv (T6 upgraded) but NOPE, Voquv has a LtCom Tac AND 4 Tac Consoles (Fleet T5U)
so if at all, than its like a Voquv with its teeth kicked in. Like i said before, this is nothing but a Reskinned Atrox V1.5 with frigattes Enabled, so another Science Heavy Carrier when there is allready one, sorry but i dont buy this NOT even for a DOLLAR
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with a proper Pet AI they could be deadly (like the Vadvaur AI for the Assault Ships) but with the AI that we have, all they will do is to fly Circles around the enemys and fire with their 2 Turrets, and of course chase after every Warp Core Breach they can find, to blow themselfs up, like all pets like to do
i hear ya.....waiting like forever for a Jupiter and Typhoon...now we at least get something that is called the Jupiter Class and resembles it..when in fact its nothing but a Atrox V1.5....yep i definately hear ya......
And dude seriously enough with the science layout for ships. Eng carrier can work.
My character Tsin'xing
Scratch the Paint alone makes these things great, not to mention the rather heavy payload compared to most other Frigate pets. All in all, very nice hangar pets.
Then thank you for your efforts, and I look forward to the results.
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