In 'Remembrance of the Daleks', yes, in the two episodes in this series, no.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Once again a Dalek episode ends with their race being eradicated - never gets old
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Once again a Dalek episode ends with their race being eradicated - never gets old
Of course, how else would you shock the audience to their cores by revealing they survived in a few episodes time?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Of course, how else would you shock the audience to their cores by revealing they survived in a few episodes time?
That's what you call "to pull a Moffat". And the reason why the urge to visit him and TRIBBLE on his doorstep grows every time I watch a new Dr. Who episode
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Only the Daleks in that city got attacked. The rest of the ones out in the fleets zipping through space are completely unharmed. And to be honest, I somehow doubt Skaro itself got wiped out either. Just that one city was damaged. But if Skaro is newly rebuilt, where did all those ancient decrepid Daleks come from? That only makes sense if it was actually the original Skaro that was somehow saved, like in Dalek that Time Forgot.
Which I consider to be canon. I don't care what's said on the actual show.
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A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
Only the Daleks in that city got attacked. The rest of the ones out in the fleets zipping through space are completely unharmed. And to be honest, I somehow doubt Skaro itself got wiped out either. Just that one city was damaged. But if Skaro is newly rebuilt, where did all those ancient decrepid Daleks come from? That only makes sense if it was actually the original Skaro that was somehow saved, like in Dalek that Time Forgot.
Which I consider to be canon. I don't care what's said on the actual show.
I consider everything licenced by the BBC to be canon, Including Novels and Big Finish Audio Drama's
Solely the TV series, I should't have to go digging around for answers. Besides the TV show has a hard enough time of continuity never mind factoring in all the thousands of books, comics, audio, web exclusive, Big finish/BBV spinoffs etc.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I ignore books. Books permitted are soft canon and can be overridden by anything except JJ
JJ is involved with Doctor Who!?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Solely the TV series, I should't have to go digging around for answers. Besides the TV show has a hard enough time of continuity never mind factoring in all the thousands of books, comics, audio, web exclusive, Big finish/BBV spinoffs etc.
That's the way I see it as well, for generally every show/series there is. To me, Star Wars only consists of one (three) movies, six if you count the prequels which however really have no bearing on the original story anyway so they can just as well be ignored. We'll see if I add a fourth to the mix.
If there's something to tell then tell me in the primary medium, I'm not going to buy merchandise just to get a whole picture. The only thing I might accept are things like the TMs for Star Trek which describe non-story related, general bakgrounds with contribution from the original creators/designers. On-screen still overwrites that but they are legitimate sources for non-critical stuff. But I am not going to go read novel xyz to understand why character abc makes an appearance. If they do that for a wink to the fans of said novel it's fine, but they need to "canonize" the appearance by providing exposition.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
That's the way I see it as well, for generally every show/series there is. To me, Star Wars only consists of one (three) movies, six if you count the prequels which however really have no bearing on the original story anyway so they can just as well be ignored. We'll see if I add a fourth to the mix.
If there's something to tell then tell me in the primary medium, I'm not going to buy merchandise just to get a whole picture.
With Star Wars I followed the same style as I did with Doctor Who and Star Trek; film and TV, that's it. Even now after the scrapping of the old EU, I'm still not going to bother to rummage around trying to buy every game or comic they bring out. I'll buy the films and TV shows on DVD and that's it.
Conversely if the primary medium is a book series then I'll solely concentrate on that not its spin-off games or whatever. There are some exceptions, comic continuations. Firefly, Angel, and Buffy all have official comic series that are canon.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
So far, can't say I am massively impressed with the 9th series, I like Missy, she's a great character but I really hope the other episodes start to get better
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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In general, and I hope not. He's thrown canon out for Star Trek and Star Wars... le sigh
I'm pretty sure it was a Disney executive who redefined SW canon.
can't I just bash JJ?
At least he threw us the "Alternate Reality" bone for Star Trek. Star Wars fans don't even get that in regards to their formerly rather complex Canon Web. For Star Trek there were pretty much three levels: Hard, Soft, and Non. Star Wars had like 5-6 levels at least that included EVERYTHING from the movies to the books and games. Now Star Wars is down the the same three levels. Unfortunately they include Clone Wars and Rebels as Hard Canon.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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In general, and I hope not. He's thrown canon out for Star Trek and Star Wars... le sigh
I'm pretty sure it was a Disney executive who redefined SW canon.
can't I just bash JJ?
At least he threw us the "Alternate Reality" bone for Star Trek. Star Wars fans don't even get that in regards to their formerly rather complex Canon Web. For Star Trek there were pretty much three levels: Hard, Soft, and Non. Star Wars had like 5-6 levels at least that included EVERYTHING from the movies to the books and games. Now Star Wars is down the the same three levels. Unfortunately they include Clone Wars and Rebels as Hard Canon.
No, the unfortunate part is that they did not include the original Zahn trilogy as Hard Canon.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
At least he threw us the "Alternate Reality" bone for Star Trek. Star Wars fans don't even get that in regards to their formerly rather complex Canon Web. For Star Trek there were pretty much three levels: Hard, Soft, and Non. Star Wars had like 5-6 levels at least that included EVERYTHING from the movies to the books and games. Now Star Wars is down the the same three levels. Unfortunately they include Clone Wars and Rebels as Hard Canon.
I'm also glad about the alternate reality thing, but Star Trek canon only knows "canon" and "non-canon". There is no "soft"-canon. There are three kinds of work, official, licensed and fanmade but CBS declared only official television and movie pieces to be canon, nothing else. In that context, "soft-canon" looses it's purpose as it is non-canon. Of course it's canonical in it's line of work, but not in the greater picture.
People have to udnerstand that this does not devalue those works, they still stand on their own. But calling it "soft-canon" to make it seem more important seems to me like tricking oneself. And yes, I know prior to CBS taking over things were different buit now there is an official definition by the IP holders. Wether one agrees or not.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
No, it initial wasn't, then CBS took a vote and now all TV shows and films are canon, including TAS. So people who whine about JJ's 'cold fusion' device will be obligated to mention the inflatable Enterprise.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
No, it initial wasn't, then CBS took a vote and now all TV shows and films are canon, including TAS. So people who whine about JJ's 'cold fusion' device will be obligated to mention the inflatable Enterprise.
I want inflatable decoys instead of holographic fleet
I just read about the new Dr. Who spin-off. And now I really want to TRIBBLE on Moffat's doorstep. If anyone from the current Dr. Who show would deserve a spin-off it's the Paternoster Gang!
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
No, it initial wasn't, then CBS took a vote and now all TV shows and films are canon, including TAS. So people who whine about JJ's 'cold fusion' device will be obligated to mention the inflatable Enterprise.
I want inflatable decoys instead of holographic fleet
I just read about the new Dr. Who spin-off. And now I really want to TRIBBLE on Moffat's doorstep. If anyone from the current Dr. Who show would deserve a spin-off it's the Paternoster Gang!
I'll give a 'hell yes' to your first point, to your second it's a no from me. I dislike Strax, more specifically I dislike what he turned the Sontarans into, he's meant to be defective, not template. I can't watch him without getting angry. I also don't like Vastra, she's too much like every other female character Moffat writes. I do like Jenny though.
Actually, having thought about this in the few seconds it's taking me to write this reply, it might be nice to see Victoria, I believe she was dumped back in her own time.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
No, it initial wasn't, then CBS took a vote and now all TV shows and films are canon, including TAS. So people who whine about JJ's 'cold fusion' device will be obligated to mention the inflatable Enterprise.
I want inflatable decoys instead of holographic fleet
I just read about the new Dr. Who spin-off. And now I really want to TRIBBLE on Moffat's doorstep. If anyone from the current Dr. Who show would deserve a spin-off it's the Paternoster Gang!
As a huge fan of TAS, I have to mention that the ideas they used for it are no weirder than what they used for TOS.
No, it initial wasn't, then CBS took a vote and now all TV shows and films are canon, including TAS. So people who whine about JJ's 'cold fusion' device will be obligated to mention the inflatable Enterprise.
I want inflatable decoys instead of holographic fleet
I just read about the new Dr. Who spin-off. And now I really want to TRIBBLE on Moffat's doorstep. If anyone from the current Dr. Who show would deserve a spin-off it's the Paternoster Gang!
As a huge fan of TAS, I have to mention that the ideas they used for it are no weirder than what they used for TOS.
I'm not sure who you tagged there, you missed a '42' off the end . No, not that Jenny, unfortunately .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I'll give a 'hell yes' to your first point, to your second it's a no from me. I dislike Strax, more specifically I dislike what he turned the Sontarans into, he's meant to be defective, not template. I can't watch him without getting angry. I also don't like Vastra, she's too much like every other female character Moffat writes. I do like Jenny though.
Actually, having thought about this in the few seconds it's taking me to write this reply, it might be nice to see Victoria, I believe she was dumped back in her own time.
I'll grant you that Strax is too much played for comedic effect, although I also have to say it somehow never gets old - for an entire spin-off show though they'd need to adjust. But for me it's also the nice memory that the PAternoster Gang was basically the sole thing which made the Smith-era bearable for me, I couldn't stand the Ponds, River Song nor Smith himself (until the very, very end when he somehow got his act together). The Gang made it very enjoyable and with Vastra and Jenny I could also see a TRIBBLE lead which would in no way need to exploit that. That's actually the one little thing I could grant kudos to Moffat, although to be fair I always liked Moffat's episodes, it just went terrible once he started to be the show runner.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
...with Vastra and Jenny I could also see a TRIBBLE lead which would in no way need to exploit that....
I dislike their relationship even more than the Ponds, Jenny is an actual servant in this case. Something just grates me about her being her wife and maid.
That's actually the one little thing I could grant kudos to Moffat, although to be fair I always liked Moffat's episodes, it just went terrible once he started to be the show runner.
He's trying to take what was good because it was cleaver and different and make it convoluted and routine. So the exact opposite.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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In 'Remembrance of the Daleks', yes, in the two episodes in this series, no.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Of course, how else would you shock the audience to their cores by revealing they survived in a few episodes time?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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That's what you call "to pull a Moffat". And the reason why the urge to visit him and TRIBBLE on his doorstep grows every time I watch a new Dr. Who episode
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True, most of them are gone now, but as you already know from previous episodes, they ALWAYS come back
Only the Daleks in that city got attacked. The rest of the ones out in the fleets zipping through space are completely unharmed. And to be honest, I somehow doubt Skaro itself got wiped out either. Just that one city was damaged. But if Skaro is newly rebuilt, where did all those ancient decrepid Daleks come from? That only makes sense if it was actually the original Skaro that was somehow saved, like in Dalek that Time Forgot.
Which I consider to be canon. I don't care what's said on the actual show.
A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
I consider everything licenced by the BBC to be canon, Including Novels and Big Finish Audio Drama's
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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JJ is involved with Doctor Who!?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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That's the way I see it as well, for generally every show/series there is. To me, Star Wars only consists of one (three) movies, six if you count the prequels which however really have no bearing on the original story anyway so they can just as well be ignored. We'll see if I add a fourth to the mix.
If there's something to tell then tell me in the primary medium, I'm not going to buy merchandise just to get a whole picture. The only thing I might accept are things like the TMs for Star Trek which describe non-story related, general bakgrounds with contribution from the original creators/designers. On-screen still overwrites that but they are legitimate sources for non-critical stuff. But I am not going to go read novel xyz to understand why character abc makes an appearance. If they do that for a wink to the fans of said novel it's fine, but they need to "canonize" the appearance by providing exposition.
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With Star Wars I followed the same style as I did with Doctor Who and Star Trek; film and TV, that's it. Even now after the scrapping of the old EU, I'm still not going to bother to rummage around trying to buy every game or comic they bring out. I'll buy the films and TV shows on DVD and that's it.
Conversely if the primary medium is a book series then I'll solely concentrate on that not its spin-off games or whatever. There are some exceptions, comic continuations. Firefly, Angel, and Buffy all have official comic series that are canon.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Sonic Sunglasses just... doesn't sound right to me.
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can't I just bash JJ?
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At least he threw us the "Alternate Reality" bone for Star Trek. Star Wars fans don't even get that in regards to their formerly rather complex Canon Web. For Star Trek there were pretty much three levels: Hard, Soft, and Non. Star Wars had like 5-6 levels at least that included EVERYTHING from the movies to the books and games. Now Star Wars is down the the same three levels. Unfortunately they include Clone Wars and Rebels as Hard Canon.
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No, the unfortunate part is that they did not include the original Zahn trilogy as Hard Canon.
I'm also glad about the alternate reality thing, but Star Trek canon only knows "canon" and "non-canon". There is no "soft"-canon. There are three kinds of work, official, licensed and fanmade but CBS declared only official television and movie pieces to be canon, nothing else. In that context, "soft-canon" looses it's purpose as it is non-canon. Of course it's canonical in it's line of work, but not in the greater picture.
People have to udnerstand that this does not devalue those works, they still stand on their own. But calling it "soft-canon" to make it seem more important seems to me like tricking oneself. And yes, I know prior to CBS taking over things were different buit now there is an official definition by the IP holders. Wether one agrees or not.
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No, it initial wasn't, then CBS took a vote and now all TV shows and films are canon, including TAS. So people who whine about JJ's 'cold fusion' device will be obligated to mention the inflatable Enterprise.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I want inflatable decoys instead of holographic fleet
I just read about the new Dr. Who spin-off. And now I really want to TRIBBLE on Moffat's doorstep. If anyone from the current Dr. Who show would deserve a spin-off it's the Paternoster Gang!
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I'll give a 'hell yes' to your first point, to your second it's a no from me. I dislike Strax, more specifically I dislike what he turned the Sontarans into, he's meant to be defective, not template. I can't watch him without getting angry. I also don't like Vastra, she's too much like every other female character Moffat writes. I do like Jenny though.
Actually, having thought about this in the few seconds it's taking me to write this reply, it might be nice to see Victoria, I believe she was dumped back in her own time.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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@Artan: This Jenny?
My character Tsin'xing
I'm not sure who you tagged there, you missed a '42' off the end
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I'll grant you that Strax is too much played for comedic effect, although I also have to say it somehow never gets old - for an entire spin-off show though they'd need to adjust. But for me it's also the nice memory that the PAternoster Gang was basically the sole thing which made the Smith-era bearable for me, I couldn't stand the Ponds, River Song nor Smith himself (until the very, very end when he somehow got his act together). The Gang made it very enjoyable and with Vastra and Jenny I could also see a TRIBBLE lead which would in no way need to exploit that. That's actually the one little thing I could grant kudos to Moffat, although to be fair I always liked Moffat's episodes, it just went terrible once he started to be the show runner.
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I always like the Ponds as people, I just didn't like their relationship, Amy was too much of a bully.
I dislike their relationship even more than the Ponds, Jenny is an actual servant in this case. Something just grates me about her being her wife and maid.
He's trying to take what was good because it was cleaver and different and make it convoluted and routine. So the exact opposite.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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