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artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
edited November 2015 in Ten Forward
I plan on posting general thoughts and chit chat here every Saturday, probably better than creating new threads each week.

Episode 1: The Magician's Apprentice

Well, mostly what I expected.
  • Loved the interior of the city, very like in 'The Daleks'.
  • Davros has lost his electronic voice.
  • Genesis, Resurrection, Revelation, Remembrance of the Daleks and Journeys End, anyone know where the 5th Docs meting with Davros is from?
  • Shame Davros didn't want to see the Master again, they've worked together in the past (or rather the Master and the Daleks have).
  • Yeah, no amount of Daleks set on 'Maximum Extermination', even with a Special Weapons Dalek are getting through the TARDIS.
  • The Daleks already had a TARDIS like craft in 'The Chase'.
  • I spotted two other Supreme Daleks (a black one and a black and silver one) so why is the Red one in command?
  • The 4th Doc was talking about Davros, nice touch.
  • Why the bloody hell was the Doctor working with the Master anyway, talk about expecting her sudden yet inevitable betrayal :p.
  • I also heard the Dalek voices pitched differently as they used to be.
  • The Master got the Doctors will, a nice call back to 'The Enemy Within' where the Doctor got to take the Masters ashes from Skaro.
  • Kill baby Davros with a Daleks gun? Dramatic irony eh Doc?

On re-watch
  • The Master (and Davros) surviving with no explanation, very nice, that's how it always was.
  • I assume the Doctor has one of the Vortex Manipulators.
  • Karn was a bit wasted unless it shows up again later on. It's good they had nothing to do with the Masters return.
  • Talking about the Master. Was it ever established how he escaped the Time War, did he come through one of the cracks?
  • The current Master is almost certainly a regeneration of the last (and therefore Yana) because she mentions she can regenerate, so not a stolen body.
  • Nice of the episode to clear up all the creepy Master/Doctor slash and Doctor/Clara TRIBBLE that seemed to litter the last series.
  • We know the Doctor won't die, the show knows he won't die, there was no need to waste most of the episode on his 'meditation'.
  • The Master also seems to have met Davros, they both fled the first days of the Time War (before the Time Lock), maybe it was the same battle.
  • I realise the Doctor isn't in a ship, but surely anyone else approaching Skaro would notice the gravity isn't that of a Station (i.e. the orbital gravity, not on the station).
  • Karn, Gallifrey, Skaro, a lot of important planets are red.
  • I'm not really interested in the Masters little ipad thing, the TCE was much more intimidating.

Episode 2 : The Witches Familiar

Not too bad.
  • All Daleks can fly, not just the Imperial and Time War ones, backs up 'The Chase'.
  • Davros thinks the Doctor won't point a gun? Is he an amnesiac?
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  • Skaro was rebuilt by the Daleks? When, because 11 was on Skaro in the 'Asylum of the Daleks' and the Masters ashes were collected from there in 'The Enemy Within'.
  • Davros' handy forcefield is a great explanation for his survival rate.
  • No Emergency Temporal Shifts from the high ranking Daleks?
  • Sentient Sewers, nice, really adds to the gothic horror of Skaro established in 'Genesis of the Daleks'.
  • I expected Davros to get a new body at the end.
  • Mercy isn't in the Daleks vocabulary? I know we all wan't to pretend 'The Big Bang' never happened but it was 'kinda a big deal River Song made a Dalek beg for mercy.
  • No nods when Clara was in the Dalek to her conversion in 'Asylum of the Daleks', nothing, not even a 'this feels familiar'?
  • The Master was feeling quite like Ainley in this episode, best I've seen him since Jacoby in 'Utopia'.
  • The Master has a knife, why is the stick important?
  • Where's her weapons? No TCE, no Laser Screwdriver, no spitting venom, just a broach?
  • Sonic glasses is quite possibly the single worst idea I've seen Moffat ever come up with. If you're going to take away the SS have the balls to make done with it, don't just replace it with another idiot device.
  • See, told you Daleks could't destroy the TARDIS.
  • Galifray is in normal space? I thought it was still in the pocket universe.
  • That looked like a good chunk of regeneration energy, maybe a full incarnation.
  • Umm, what?The Doctor can just give it out (yes I know 11 did as well, doesn't make it less wrong), so why didn't he use it on Peri in 'The Caves of Androzani'? Is she worth less than Davros?
  • All those wires, we get it, it's a call back to the two wires in 'Genesis of the Daleks', learn how to use subtlety Moffat.
  • Clara is brain dead, why did it not occur to her to think 'open' to open the bloody thing? At this rate she'll probably leave after dying from forgetting to breath.
  • Nice nod to Ian in the Dalek as well.

Episode 3 : Under the Lake

Bloody Fantastic.
  • Even before any thoughts on the episodes I'd like to point out the pacing, this is what episode 1 of 2 parter should feel like.
  • The explanation of the repeated phrase didn't make me want to scream.
  • Toby Whitehouse wrote this, he also wrote 'The God Complex' another great episode (though I suspect Moffat got his mits on parts of that)
  • The mole people are back, and thankfully not played by David can't-spell-or-pronounce Williams.
  • The ghosts were genuinely creepy.
  • Their weakness to the shielding room was well thought out, as was trapping them in there.
  • I loved the guest stars, all of them.
  • Clara was less obnoxious than usual.
  • The stasis box has to be the Doctor.
  • Can't the Doctor use the key and battery method of summoning the TARDIS to him as in 'Fathers Day'?
  • The 22nd century people know of the Doctor? Wasn't he erased from everything? Is Moffat forgetting his own plot points? We can but dream.

The only bad thing IMO...
  • I didn't like the apology cards. Six would't have used them, he was better than everybody around him and saw no reason to hide it.

Episode 4 : Before the Flood

A stunning conclusion.
  • The best two parter in recent memory.
  • No part of it felt like a cop-out or logically flawed.
  • I liked the King's design except the hood thing.
  • I guessed what the missing power cell would be used for, it came to me during the credits.
  • I liked the random monologue at the beginning.
  • I even like the electric guitar solos.
  • So it seems everybody at the base liked everybody else, how neat.
  • Holo-Ghost-Doc was a common guess and it was correct as was the stasis pod. That don't make them a bad plot point though.
  • The Sonic Glasses continue to make sense in the sole province of this two parter.
  • No Moffatisms I could see.
  • The Mole person was the worst bit I found.
  • Where the bloody hell are the Reapers?
  • The Blatovich (or something) limitation effect?
  • Keep it up and let Toby Withouse write again Moffat. Seriously, the best episodes of 12 so far (and the Mummy one).

Episode 5 : The Girl Who Died

Better than episodes 1 and 2, far worse than 3 and 4.
  • You can get pocket immortality in a medikit? You'd think Jack would be feeling a bit less special now.
  • Reasonable explanation of 12s face that needed no explanation. The Doctor has doppelgängers, it's a thing.
  • I could see 4 in most of this story.
  • Nope. Speaking Baby is still bloody pathetic.
  • No mention of the Gods of Ragnarok?
  • They aren't Vikings, they are Norse. Viking is a job not a nationality.
  • Horned helmets, yes, because it's Doctor Who.
  • HAH! Bloody stupid Sonic Glasses.
  • I don't like 12's hoody.
  • Finest warriors in the Galaxy my TRIBBLE. One of the robot things were shooting the wooden wall at point blank and not doing anything.
  • Despite my points above I kinda liked it. It felt like a forgotten Douglas Adams script for 4, except with less anti-establishment humour.
  • I get the Pompei link, but is there a connection to Mr Frobisher from Torchwood?

Episode 6 : The Woman Who Lived

Episode 7 : The Zygon Invasion

Really engaging.
  • I assume that's the Zygon!Kate that died and was replaced by the Zygon!Sheriff, so Human!Kate could still be out there or obviously vice versa. Though I suspect Human!Kate would survive, she is the Brig's legacy after all.
  • Harry Sullivan, yey, reference.
  • Aww, I want that 7 costume Osgood has.
  • Why didn't the soldiers at the end open fire on the ambushing Zygons?
  • Unit have really upped their equipment, they look like special forces now.
  • Have we seen the UNIT commander before? She looks familiar.
  • Every single character except for the Doctor, the American UNIT guy, and the kids dad were all female and ran an impressive gauntlet of personality types, a bit of a departure from Moffat. Usually that would mean an episode of River clones.
  • Electric Amazing Grace, hell yes. I'm liking this even more than 2's recorder.
  • Good lord, could you be any more heavy handed with your bloody 'hybrid' arc Moffat? It's just tiresome now, not every series needs a damn arc.
  • I'm confused by the rebel Zygons here. If they don't want to hide, why do it? They don't have to stay on Earth, they have space ships, they don't have to live under cove in Britain. Earth is not ignorant about aliens any more.
  • It's a really nice touch, now that I think about it, that all the UNIT high ups are women, it shows that it's the military mindset to just go in shooting, not a male one. I wonder if that was put in to annoy Moffat with his weird 'women are prefect' bad writing.
  • Does Zygon!Clara realise that the Doctor can regenerate? Unless that rocket hits him, all that's going to happen is he'll feel a bit poorly until the gold flames start coming out of his hoody.
  • Why did the Doctor change his mind about which Osgood was which?
  • Hehe, question mark underwear :D , a nice nod to the JNT obsession with putting question marks on everything since he took over 4's run.

Episode 8 : The Zygon Inversion

Episode 9 : Sleep No More

Episode 10 : Face The Raven

Episode 11 : Heaven Sent

Episode 12 : Hell Bent​​
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • wildthyme467989wildthyme467989 Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    artan42 wrote: »
    I plan on posting general thoughts and chit chat here every Saturday, probably better than creating new threads each week.

    Episode 1: The Magician's Apprentice

    Well, mostly what I expected.

    Loved the interior of the city, very like in 'The Daleks'.
    • Davros has lost his electronic voice.
    • Genesis, ?, Revelation, Resurrection of the Daleks and Journeys End, anyone know where the 5th Docs meting with Davros is from?
    • Shame Davros didn't want to see the Master again, they've worked together in the past (or rather the Master and the Daleks have).
    • Yeah, no amount of Daleks set on 'Maximum Extermination', even with a Special Weapons Dalek are getting through the TARDIS.
    • The Daleks already had a TARDIS like craft in 'The Chase'.
    • I spotted two other Supreme Daleks (a black one and a black and silver one) so why is the Red one in command?
    • The 4th Doc was talking about Davros, nice touch.
    • Why the bloody hell was the Doctor working with the Master anyway, talk about expecting her sudden yet inevitable betrayal :p.
    • I also heard the Dalek voices pitched differently as they used to be.
    • The Master got the Doctors will, a nice call back to 'The Enemy Within' where the Doctor got to take the Masters ashes from Skaro.
    • Kill baby Davros with a Daleks gun? Dramatic irony eh Doc?
    ​​

    5th Doc met Davros in Resurrection

    It has me wondering how that little cliffhanger's going to be resolved, will the Doc really kill his arch enemy this time, he did have the opportunity in Resurrection, but he passed on it
  • jcswwjcsww Member Posts: 6,831 Arc User
    It wouldn't surprise me if the Doctor in some way causes Davros's disfigurement but doesn't kill him. I really enjoyed the episode! There was a lot to like and a phenomenal start to a season!
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited September 2015
    wildthyme467989 wrote: »
    5th Doc met Davros in Resurrection

    It has me wondering how that little cliffhanger's going to be resolved, will the Doc really kill his arch enemy this time, he did have the opportunity in Resurrection, but he passed on it

    Ah yes, drat, resurrection and remembrance, I get all the 'X of the Daleks' titles mixed up :blush:.

    He did kill him in 'Remembrance', blew him, Skaro, and the whole fleet up. I know he survived, but the Doctor set out to kill him.

    TRIBBLE Moffat and his 'I am the man who never would' spiel, the Doctor gives people acid baths, guns down Cybercontrollers, and blows up whole planets, that's the man from whom daemons run.
    jcsww wrote: »
    It wouldn't surprise me if the Doctor in some way causes Davros's disfigurement but doesn't kill him. I really enjoyed the episode! There was a lot to like and a phenomenal start to a season!

    I think it's mentioned in 'Genesis of the Daleks' that that's due to radiation.



    Also, 'Clam Guards', nice nod to Davros' mutations on Skaro also from 'Genesis'.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • rooster707rooster707 Member Posts: 901 Arc User
    Series 9? Which one is that? Did I miss something?
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  • wildthyme467989wildthyme467989 Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    artan42 wrote: »
    wildthyme467989 wrote: »
    5th Doc met Davros in Resurrection

    It has me wondering how that little cliffhanger's going to be resolved, will the Doc really kill his arch enemy this time, he did have the opportunity in Resurrection, but he passed on it

    Ah yes, drat, resurrection and remembrance, I get all the 'X of the Daleks' titlethe Doctor gives people acid baths, guns down Cybercontrollers, and blows up whole planets, that's the man from whom daemons run.
    jcsww wrote: »
    It wouldn't surprise me if the Doctor in some way causes Davros's disfigurement but doesn't kill him. I really enjoyed the episode! There was a lot to like and a phenomenal start to a season!

    I think it's mentioned in 'Genesis of the Daleks' that that's due to radiation.



    Also, 'Clam Guards', nice nod to Davros' mutations on Skaro also from 'Genesis'.​​

    The 6th Doctor didn't give anyone an acid bath, he didn't push, he just didn't stop them falling in
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdZrqHfQMzE
    he does do a sort of Bond quip at the end though
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited September 2015
    rooster707 wrote: »
    Series 9? Which one is that? Did I miss something?

    Series 9/Season 35, first episode (1 of 2) was on yesterday.
    wildthyme467989 wrote: »
    The 6th Doctor didn't give anyone an acid bath, he didn't push, he just didn't stop them falling in
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdZrqHfQMzE
    he does do a sort of Bond quip at the end though

    Yeah, I know, but he's nicely cavalier about it, none of that 10 or 11th angst.

    Added more thoughts.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • rooster707rooster707 Member Posts: 901 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    rooster707 wrote: »
    Series 9? Which one is that? Did I miss something?

    Series 9/Season 35, first episode (1 of 2) was on yesterday.​​

    TRIBBLE. I guess I'll have to wait until they put it on Netflix.

    Unless it comes out in America at a different time? I don't watch much TV, so I have no idea how this works...
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Space broadcast it 13 hours ago in Canada.

    I thought it was very interesting. Will the doctor still gun down a boy who is, at the moment, innocent?


    Edit: The TARDIS can be destroyed, however... it does have failsafes and it seems that one triggered to send the Doctor to a time where he can make a difference
  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    The Daleks used a giant supergun to blow up the TARDIS, so it makes sense that has the power to do it. I love the fact they brought the same guy back for Davros. I love his Davros. And he didn't flee the Time War, he was lost in the early years of it when his ship few into the jaws of the Nightmare Child during a giant battle. Dalek Caan was able to get in through the time lock and bring him out before his ship was lost.

    Overall, I really liked this episode. I'm glad they toned down Missy's crazy and I look forward to next week's episode.

    Oh, and Karn was used as the setting of the prologue minisode they aired last week. So I wouldn't hold my breath for it to appear again this story.
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    Oh they didn't tone down her craziness at all!
  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
    She's still crazy, but compared to how she was in Death in Heaven, she's calmed down quite a bit. At least you can see some semblance of plotting in her character now, unlike last time where it was just Joker levels of insanity.
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    I dunno, she did kill at least two guards for TRIBBLE and giggles
  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
    Oh don't misunderstand me, there is still a bit of crazy in there. But it's not as over the top as it was last series. She's acting less like someone who lost all their marbles and more like an actual character.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    And still less insane then the Ainley incarnation.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • wildthyme467989wildthyme467989 Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    And still less insane then the Ainley incarnation.​​

    Quite close to the Alex Macqueen incarnation though, his had that playful but still intense personality, capable of murdering on a whim just like Missy

  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    true. It seems more planned, more plotted and deliberate
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    wildthyme467989 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    And still less insane then the Ainley incarnation.

    Quite close to the Alex Macqueen incarnation though, his had that playful but still intense personality, capable of murdering on a whim just like Missy


    Is that the Big Finish Master?​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • wildthyme467989wildthyme467989 Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    artan42 wrote: »
    wildthyme467989 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    And still less insane then the Ainley incarnation.

    Quite close to the Alex Macqueen incarnation though, his had that playful but still intense personality, capable of murdering on a whim just like Missy


    Is that the Big Finish Master?​​

    Yep, from UNIT:Dominion and Dark Eyes 2, 3 and 4
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    I must say, I am really not a fan of Moffat and his style of playing things out. Directly after watching "The Magician's Aprrentice" my wife and I got back and watched "Army of Ghosts" and "Doomsday" as an example of a rather great (IMO at least) "nu-doctor" episode(s) and it just isn't possible to hide anymore that everything Moffat does is just a clusterbuck of scenes without a real flow to it, at least unless you have ten episodes to piece everything together. But it's really not clever anymore, it is annoying. No pacing, no tension (TARDIS kaputt - again. Everybody dead - again. Doctor on the edge of dying - again. Do I still care?). And I also don't like "Missy". I don't see the Master in her as much as I see Moriarty, add to that that we had quite a bunch of blatant Sherlocking in Series 8 I don't like Moffat any better. I am surprised nobodies' wearing shirts to promote his other show.

    Not everything was bad though, I liked the little hints at the past as always, but I find it really hard to stick with Moffat's show at this point. I mean I got through the "Pond"-era and I survived River Song - I hope I can also take this pig-19.gif​​
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    wildthyme467989 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    wildthyme467989 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    And still less insane then the Ainley incarnation.

    Quite close to the Alex Macqueen incarnation though, his had that playful but still intense personality, capable of murdering on a whim just like Missy


    Is that the Big Finish Master?

    Yep, from UNIT:Dominion and Dark Eyes 2, 3 and 4

    I may end up listening to some Big Finish at a future date.
    angrytarg wrote: »
    and it just isn't possible to hide anymore that everything Moffat does is just a clusterbuck of scenes without a real flow to it, at least unless you have ten episodes to piece everything together.

    That's the reason all of this series is made up of two parters, to allow room or his manic plots to run, and it still seems too short for all his plots. That's why I'd rather they cut out all the 'pre-death meditation' stuff. We know he won't die, the jokes were a bit flat and it was a distraction. We also didn't need all the build up to the Master, we knew she was back from the promos, trailers, posters, and predictability.
    angrytarg wrote: »
    And I also don't like "Missy". I don't see the Master in her as much as I see Moriarty

    To be fair, it's hard to get a read on the Master. Other than Delagardo and Crispy 1 and 2, the only thing that connects them is madness and a love of overly complex plots, both of which this Master has.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    More fo these Daleks!

    P1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MF4W-q768Q
    P2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA2ALqdaQfs
    P3
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDYdcLGZmXA
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    I must say, I am really not a fan of Moffat and his style of playing things out. Directly after watching "The Magician's Aprrentice" my wife and I got back and watched "Army of Ghosts" and "Doomsday" as an example of a rather great (IMO at least) "nu-doctor" episode(s) and it just isn't possible to hide anymore that everything Moffat does is just a clusterbuck of scenes without a real flow to it, at least unless you have ten episodes to piece everything together. But it's really not clever anymore, it is annoying. No pacing, no tension (TARDIS kaputt - again. Everybody dead - again. Doctor on the edge of dying - again. Do I still care?). And I also don't like "Missy". I don't see the Master in her as much as I see Moriarty, add to that that we had quite a bunch of blatant Sherlocking in Series 8 I don't like Moffat any better. I am surprised nobodies' wearing shirts to promote his other show.

    Not everything was bad though, I liked the little hints at the past as always, but I find it really hard to stick with Moffat's show at this point. I mean I got through the "Pond"-era and I survived River Song - I hope I can also take this pig-19.gif​​
    Basically my thoughts... I liked the reveal of Davros as a boy, but the rest was, as you say, a series of scenes with no real flow. I nearly stopped watching during the scene in ye olde Essex, that was just ludicrous... I stopped watching during Matt Smith's tenure as I didn't particularly like him as the Doctor, and I couldn't stand the Ponds. I liked what Capaldi was doing with the role, but if the writing remains as shabby as this, I'll stop watching again... Never thought I'd say this and mean it, but bring back RTD...
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    thay8472 wrote: »
    More fo these Daleks!

    We do NOT want those Daleks ever again! If they were exterminated by the cardboard cut-outs from 'Power of the Daleks' we should't bad an eye.​​
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    marcusdkane wrote: »
    Basically my thoughts... I liked the reveal of Davros as a boy, but the rest was, as you say, a series of scenes with no real flow. I nearly stopped watching during the scene in ye olde Essex, that was just ludicrous... I stopped watching during Matt Smith's tenure as I didn't particularly like him as the Doctor, and I couldn't stand the Ponds. I liked what Capaldi was doing with the role, but if the writing remains as shabby as this, I'll stop watching again... Never thought I'd say this and mean it, but bring back RTD...

    It's good to know that we aren't the only two seeing it this way pig-2.gif. Ever since Moffat took over I feel the show losing in quality. Moffats singular episodes back in the days were good, when the weeping angels were originally introduced it was a fascinating episode. But it is clear that he has no talent of supporting a whole series, he should just write single episodes. He already ran out of fuel by recycling the angels over and over, effectively pulling a "Borg" on them. And the Ponds were truly a annoying addition, including River. Matt Smith only redeemed himself in the very last couple of episodes when he seemingly figured out how to play. Nothing against Mr. Smith's work, but I considered him miscast and wasn't happy with his performance as the Doctor, as I said, until the very very end.​​
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    marcusdkane wrote: »
    Basically my thoughts... I liked the reveal of Davros as a boy, but the rest was, as you say, a series of scenes with no real flow. I nearly stopped watching during the scene in ye olde Essex, that was just ludicrous... I stopped watching during Matt Smith's tenure as I didn't particularly like him as the Doctor, and I couldn't stand the Ponds. I liked what Capaldi was doing with the role, but if the writing remains as shabby as this, I'll stop watching again... Never thought I'd say this and mean it, but bring back RTD...

    It's good to know that we aren't the only two seeing it this way pig-2.gif. Ever since Moffat took over I feel the show losing in quality. Moffats singular episodes back in the days were good, when the weeping angels were originally introduced it was a fascinating episode. But it is clear that he has no talent of supporting a whole series, he should just write single episodes. He already ran out of fuel by recycling the angels over and over, effectively pulling a "Borg" on them. And the Ponds were truly a annoying addition, including River. Matt Smith only redeemed himself in the very last couple of episodes when he seemingly figured out how to play. Nothing against Mr. Smith's work, but I considered him miscast and wasn't happy with his performance as the Doctor, as I said, until the very very end.​​
    Yup, completely agree with you on those points... And likewise, nothing against Matt Smith as such, he was just terribly miscast (If I had the choice, I would've gone with Kris Marshall or David Bowie...) Although I would have to disagree about him getting it at the very end, I felt more for the loss of Handles than I did for the passing of the Eleventh Doctor (and the transition from Ninth to Tenth still chokes me up...) I think Moffat is a bit like George Lucas: Has a couple of good story ideas, but having told them, continues to recycle them and squeeze what he can out of the remains...
  • orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    The problem is Moffat's view of Who is very different to RTD's Who (and to a certain extent, the classic show).

    RTD's Who was a sci-fi action adventure series, slightly styled after a Marvel comic.

    Moffat's Who is a light fairy tale adventure. Not even a fantasy tale, a fairy tale (not the gruesome ones).
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    orondis wrote: »
    The problem is Moffat's view of Who is very different to RTD's Who (and to a certain extent, the classic show).

    RTD's Who was a sci-fi action adventure series, slightly styled after a Marvel comic.

    Moffat's Who is a light fairy tale adventure. Not even a fantasy tale, a fairy tale (not the gruesome ones).
    The silly thing, is that as a writer under RTD, Moffat was responsible for some of my favorite stories, but now, it almost feels to me like he's 'writing to a checklist', and that it's jumped the shark...

  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    thay8472 wrote: »
    More fo these Daleks!

    We do NOT want those Daleks ever again! If they were exterminated by the cardboard cut-outs from 'Power of the Daleks' we should't bad an eye.​​

    Yeah we do! Better than the metallic ones! They had their chance and failed!
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    thay8472 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    thay8472 wrote: »
    More fo these Daleks!

    We do NOT want those Daleks ever again! If they were exterminated by the cardboard cut-outs from 'Power of the Daleks' we should't bad an eye.

    Yeah we do! Better than the metallic ones! They had their chance and failed!

    Really? Have a little butch at the Parliament ship, or the ship from 'Into The Dalek', 'Time of the Doctor', or this episode, how many of those monstrosities are left? I count one white one. I guess even the 1964 Daleks have a better survival rate than them buggers. 5 'The Daleks' Daleks in the last episode :p.​​
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • galattgalatt Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    Daleks?
    Bah... Give me cybermen any day. Not these "I'm having an emotion, my head asplode" type, I mean the old Earthshock era ones that were properly menacing and intelligent.

    Moffat needs a good script editor. Some who can take his ideas, which can be interesting, and put them into a form that flows better
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