Here you go guys, you can live out your murder fantasies on those awful, awful people dropping discoballs. Hopefully this calms you guys down a bit, being this angry over coloured lights in a game can't be healthy. You've been bitching about this for two years now.
Awesome! No joke but you just sold me this game. I watched the videos on the steam page, laughed and bought it immediately. It's great.
"Devs, i demand you waste your time and the company's money making a "nullifer" so I dont have to see klingons"
"Devs, I demand you waste your time and the company's money making a "nullifier" so I dont have to see different colored beams"
"Devs, I demand you waste your time and the company's money making a "nullifier" so i don't have to see other people's characters wearing pink clothes."
Once you give in to one asinine demand, you open the flood gates to all asinine demands.
Except that if it bothers people, then doing something to prevent them being bothered, thus making them happier customers and potentially more likely to spend money is potentially worthwhile. You not liking something which only has the potential to stop trolling and griefing doesn't make it asinine. Something that blocks the effect client-side is no more asinine then all of the "social devices" are in the first place, and you obviously aren't wasting your time complaining everytime Cryptic releases a new one of those for (some) people to abuse, now are you?
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"Devs, i demand you waste your time and the company's money making a "nullifer" so I dont have to see klingons"
"Devs, I demand you waste your time and the company's money making a "nullifier" so I dont have to see different colored beams"
"Devs, I demand you waste your time and the company's money making a "nullifier" so i don't have to see other people's characters wearing pink clothes."
Once you give in to one asinine demand, you open the flood gates to all asinine demands.
Actually... no. You're taking this to the extreme of stupidity. No one has ever demanded a nullifier to not see players from another faction, or the choice in beams, or the color of their outfits.
EVER.
That is jumping to conclusions on an epic scale. So I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on that. I don't see a full opt out of Disco Ball visuals ever happening, but I also don't see the reason certain individuals feel so insulted by the very existance of the Nullifier in its current form to go on the offensive to defend their right to force people to dance when they don't want to.
Things are back to normal now anyways so frankly... I don't see a reason to continue with the debate on the merits of Disco Balls vs Nullifiers. Just make it known that Nullifiers are available for those who don't want forced dancing without their consent and everything should work out.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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That is jumping to conclusions on an epic scale. So I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on that. I don't see a full opt out of Disco Ball visuals ever happening, but I also don't see the reason certain individuals feel so insulted by the very existance of the Nullifier in its current form to go on the offensive to defend their right to force people to dance when they don't want to.
Things are back to normal now anyways so frankly... I don't see a reason to continue with the debate on the merits of Disco Balls vs Nullifiers. Just make it known that Nullifiers are available for those who don't want forced dancing without their consent and everything should work out.
Speaking realistically/pessimistically I have to agree I don't see this happening, but it still doesn't hurt to ask for it. And since the nullifier items were added fairly smoothly I think it a reasonable request that the visuals be 'nullified' by the item in addition to its normal functions.
In an ideal scenario it would be a simple matter of adjusting the Client-Side GFX rendering code to add a check to see if the player has a nullifier and if so, skip the rendering of the disco fx... Things are hardly so simple, however, so suppressing disco gfx might be a bit more complicated than that.
Still, it doesn't hurt to ask for a feature which would save much frustration by those who hate those [Redacted] items with nearly as much passion as those who love them.
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I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I agree. Probably won't happen but never hurts to ask. I also can't understand why some are so angry at the suggestion.
What they could do at least is change the music of the disco balls. It's awful. Maybe make it something like what you hear in Club 47, or just make the disco balls play 1 random Club 47 song each time you use 1. For me they would be more tolerable if the music was better.
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I agree. Probably won't happen but never hurts to ask. I also can't understand why some are so angry at the suggestion.
I think its the idea that not everyone would be able to "Enjoy" their favorite toy like they do. I can put up with the visuals, and every once in a while I will yell out in local "I DEFY YOUR DISCO BALL!" for the lulz, but some of these people just don't seem to understand that it can be annoying when forced down throats and get defensive of their toys in a belief that they are going to get taken away.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I agree. Probably won't happen but never hurts to ask. I also can't understand why some are so angry at the suggestion.
I think its the idea that not everyone would be able to "Enjoy" their favorite toy like they do. I can put up with the visuals, and every once in a while I will yell out in local "I DEFY YOUR DISCO BALL!" for the lulz, but some of these people just don't seem to understand that it can be annoying when forced down throats and get defensive of their toys in a belief that they are going to get taken away.
Yeah I don't understand it. The OP's suggestion wouldn't remove disco balls. People who want to enjoy them still could. He was just asking for a way for those who don't want to be bothered by them to not be.
I think the only people getting angry about it are those who use the disco balls to intentionally annoy people and they don't want that "fun" to be taken away or even suppressed. The thing is there aren't that many players, that I've seen, that actually use them to annoy people, not since the nullifer was added.
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Yeah I don't understand it. The OP's suggestion wouldn't remove disco balls. People who want to enjoy them still could. He was just asking for a way for those who don't want to be bothered by them to not be.
I think the only people getting angry about it are those who use the disco balls to intentionally annoy people and they don't want that "fun" to be taken away or even suppressed. The thing is there aren't that many players, that I've seen, that actually use them to annoy people, not since the nullifer was added.
I believe you're right. I admit I have like 17 of the things on my KDF, but I got plans for those involving J'mpok. Not players. Well... not innocent victims anyways. Wanted to pop one when there were enough guys in my fleet on to laugh at J'mpok before continuing on with business as usual.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I agree. Probably won't happen but never hurts to ask. I also can't understand why some are so angry at the suggestion.
I think its the idea that not everyone would be able to "Enjoy" their favorite toy like they do. I can put up with the visuals, and every once in a while I will yell out in local "I DEFY YOUR DISCO BALL!" for the lulz, but some of these people just don't seem to understand that it can be annoying when forced down throats and get defensive of their toys in a belief that they are going to get taken away.
Yeah I don't understand it. The OP's suggestion wouldn't remove disco balls. People who want to enjoy them still could. He was just asking for a way for those who don't want to be bothered by them to not be.
I think the only people getting angry about it are those who use the disco balls to intentionally annoy people and they don't want that "fun" to be taken away or even suppressed. The thing is there aren't that many players, that I've seen, that actually use them to annoy people, not since the nullifer was added.
You know, now that you mention it, it does seem that the people most opposed to this little QoL suggestion are the ones who tend to use game mechanics/loopholes/glitches to purposefully annoy people... Ah well, c'est la vie.
I have friends who like the party amps and occasionally drop one when I hang out with them, and aside from asking me why I wasn't dancing they don't seem to discouraged from using them. And as such I don't mind the amps when the occasional one goes off, but after a while (one after another after another, and so on), even preventing my character from endlessly dancing it does get rather distracting to conduct any business at an exchange terminal or bank.
Having a Client-Side opt-out would be appreciated since I don't dance anyways.
On an unrelated note, they have music attached to them?!? I usually play with the music turned off or my pc muted I've never noticed any music on those things... LOL
On an unrelated note, they have music attached to them?!? I usually play with the music turned off or my pc muted I've never noticed any music on those things... LOL
Careful now, we'll have these pro Party Amplifier people claiming you not hearing Party Amplifier music is infringing on the way they choose to play the game and demand you're forced to listen. ...and yes I know that sounds ridiculous, but that's essentially their position on the visuals.
On an unrelated note, they have music attached to them?!? I usually play with the music turned off or my pc muted I've never noticed any music on those things... LOL
Careful now, we'll have these pro Party Amplifier people claiming you not hearing Party Amplifier music is infringing on the way they choose to play the game and demand you're forced to listen. ...and yes I know that sounds ridiculous, but that's essentially their position on the visuals.
Well...
I...
Darn it!
(Seriously, though, yeah that does sound ridiculous. lol And I suspect you're right, I'll probably see comments saying I'm being a party-pooper for not listening to those things...)
Why should you be able to impede the enjoyiment of someone else just because you spent a small amount of latinum on an infinite use nullifier?
why should you ruin the experience of another player who doesn't want their character dancing whilst using the bank/exchange/mail? see? it works both ways. personally, I think as a player base we should make an unwritten rule. odd number instances Saturday night fever. those who don't want the annoyance, stay in even numbered instances
Actually the purpose was to get the visual effects suppressed along with the emote suppression.
Those other things could be handed out like grinds in DR for all I care *IF* there was a client-side suppression of their effects.
Have all the parties you want. I just don't want to see them.
I really don't care about client-side suppression or negation or whatever you wish to call it. What bothers me is the fairly good probability that something will go wrong, and people with the nullifiers will be out in force screaming about the world ending because they they got mugged by the law of unintended consequences, or just a plain old bug. Worse is that a bug is introduced that affects rendering or something else for everyone, and not just for party amps. Party amps are a silly toy. Keep in mind that this uproar was caused by a bug. Once it's fixed things will go back to the way they were before, and party amps will just become a seldom encountered annoyance/entertainment.
I have to admit I am deeply suspicious of threads that involve amps/nullifiers, given the history of threads about them. I have a hard time viewing any "solution" as being honest. Bear in mind that they go hand in hand, and a thread about one is also about the other.
Really? You're worried about it being bugged? Then maybe you should tell Cryptic not to release anymore featured episodes, seasons, expansions, or any other kind of update because there might be bugs. There will always be bugs with new changes and Cryptic fixes them. Remember the launch of LoR? Yeah. And the game is still alive and kicking. So if they were to implement the OP's suggestion and something did go wrong, it wouldn't be the end of the game. There have been far worse bugs, lag, game crashes, and holy hell in this game compared to anything a broken party nullifier could ever bring. And people will always complain about bugs in the game. There is no getting around this for ANYTHING in this game.
This has got to be the lamest excuse I've ever read.
Those new bugs that are introduced are usually for new content, not for unneeded changes for a device that only a small group of people are demanding ( the very same group tht always goes off the deep end about this). A bug that is introduced with a change to this device would not be the end of the world, no. However a bug that is introduced with a change WOULD be world ending for the very people screaming for the change. If people are thinking of quitting over something this minor, then a bug that changes things for the worse would more than like be seen as the last straw, or a slap in the face by the developers or that there is a conspiracy against them. So no, it isn't a lame excuse. What's lame is denying the possibilty that a change could make things worse than they are now. So why waste time with something that isn't broken?
I have a whole list of demands that I want attended to. But unlike some people, I realize that the changes I want may not be what everyone else desires, so I don't go rushing out to make demands for them. Hell, I want the KDF to have a just a few more ships... How about a freaking KDF dreadnaught? Do you see the developers rushing out to accomodate me? KDF science ships any one? Those I think are something more than just a handful of people want, but do you see it happening? I am sure Al Rivera is going to change his tune just because I want to have a KDF science ship.
With the new patch the problem is solved. The forever party is a thing of the past.
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I have a whole list of demands that I want attended to. But unlike some people, I realize that the changes I want may not be what everyone else desires, so I don't go rushing out to make demands for them. Hell, I want the KDF to have a just a few more ships... How about a freaking KDF dreadnaught? Do you see the developers rushing out to accomodate me? KDF science ships any one? Those I think are something more than just a handful of people want, but do you see it happening? I am sure Al Rivera is going to change his tune just because I want to have a KDF science ship.
With the new patch the problem is solved. The forever party is a thing of the past.
If someone asks you for a quarter are they demanding a quarter from you?
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"Devs, i demand you waste your time and the company's money making a "nullifer" so I dont have to see klingons"
"Devs, I demand you waste your time and the company's money making a "nullifier" so I dont have to see different colored beams"
"Devs, I demand you waste your time and the company's money making a "nullifier" so i don't have to see other people's characters wearing pink clothes."
Once you give in to one asinine demand, you open the flood gates to all asinine demands.
Actually... no. You're taking this to the extreme of stupidity. No one has ever demanded a nullifier to not see players from another faction, or the choice in beams, or the color of their outfits.
EVER.
That is jumping to conclusions on an epic scale. So I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on that. I don't see a full opt out of Disco Ball visuals ever happening, but I also don't see the reason certain individuals feel so insulted by the very existance of the Nullifier in its current form to go on the offensive to defend their right to force people to dance when they don't want to.
Things are back to normal now anyways so frankly... I don't see a reason to continue with the debate on the merits of Disco Balls vs Nullifiers. Just make it known that Nullifiers are available for those who don't want forced dancing without their consent and everything should work out.
The issue is that if you cave in to one unreasonable demand, you open the floodgates to all unreasonable demands.
The devs don't have 26 hours a day to devote to their jobs, only so much can get done. This knucklehead stuff can only sap resources from things that matter. It's bad and it's wrong.
*Opens Pandora's Can of Worms*
So if someone doesn't wish to see the graphic associated with party amps... they're a knucklehead ?
That's rich.
And it's only "wrong" if it actually is a small percentage asking for this...but we don't know that.
Let's say 90% of players wished to have the graphic removed...are they all knuckleheads as well ?
Or would you change your tune ? If the numbers were vastly in favor of eliminating the graphic ?
I'm just wondering at what point something becomes worth the "Time" of the Devs..
50% - 60% -70%+ ?
Not that we will ever get the actual numbers.. but I'm curious as to what you think constitutes "enough player support" to make a change ?
On the other side of that coin, was it not a small percentage that wanted embassy consoles "nerfed" ?
Was that really a necessary change "worthy" of the dev's time ?
Based on your assertions, if a small percentage of players have issue with something, its not worth the Dev time.
hmmm we're walking a very fine line here.
(Personally I don't care about party amps, I go about my business as per usual, just felt like stirring the pot here)
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I have a whole list of demands that I want attended to. But unlike some people, I realize that the changes I want may not be what everyone else desires, so I don't go rushing out to make demands for them. Hell, I want the KDF to have a just a few more ships... How about a freaking KDF dreadnaught? Do you see the developers rushing out to accomodate me? KDF science ships any one? Those I think are something more than just a handful of people want, but do you see it happening? I am sure Al Rivera is going to change his tune just because I want to have a KDF science ship.
With the new patch the problem is solved. The forever party is a thing of the past.
If someone asks you for a quarter are they demanding a quarter from you?
That depends on the person asking, and how they are phrasing it.
The OP asked for an unspecified open ended change to the nullifiers. I think that nullifiers are fine, and am asking that they be left the way they are.
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I have a whole list of demands that I want attended to. But unlike some people, I realize that the changes I want may not be what everyone else desires, so I don't go rushing out to make demands for them. Hell, I want the KDF to have a just a few more ships... How about a freaking KDF dreadnaught? Do you see the developers rushing out to accomodate me? KDF science ships any one? Those I think are something more than just a handful of people want, but do you see it happening? I am sure Al Rivera is going to change his tune just because I want to have a KDF science ship.
With the new patch the problem is solved. The forever party is a thing of the past.
If someone asks you for a quarter are they demanding a quarter from you?
That depends on the person asking, and how they are phrasing it.
The OP asked for an unspecified open ended change to the nullifiers. I think that nullifiers are fine, and am asking that they be left the way they are.
"Can we get a buff to nullifiers so they actually nullify instead of just partially disabling the effects?" is such an imperative statement.
A client-side suppression of the visuals to go along with the already existing emote suppression won't hurt the enjoyment of anyone else anymore than the emote suppression already has but it will improve the enjoyment of players who dislike the visuals for whatever reasons they dislike the visuals.
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I have a whole list of demands that I want attended to. But unlike some people, I realize that the changes I want may not be what everyone else desires, so I don't go rushing out to make demands for them. Hell, I want the KDF to have a just a few more ships... How about a freaking KDF dreadnaught? Do you see the developers rushing out to accomodate me? KDF science ships any one? Those I think are something more than just a handful of people want, but do you see it happening? I am sure Al Rivera is going to change his tune just because I want to have a KDF science ship.
With the new patch the problem is solved. The forever party is a thing of the past.
If someone asks you for a quarter are they demanding a quarter from you?
That depends on the person asking, and how they are phrasing it.
The OP asked for an unspecified open ended change to the nullifiers. I think that nullifiers are fine, and am asking that they be left the way they are.
"Can we get a buff to nullifiers so they actually nullify instead of just partially disabling the effects?" is such an imperative statement.
A client-side suppression of the visuals to go along with the already existing emote suppression won't hurt the enjoyment of anyone else anymore than the emote suppression already has but it will improve the enjoyment of players who dislike the visuals for whatever reasons they dislike the visuals.
Nothing needs to be done about them. The danger is over. You can stand down from red alert. The bug is fixed so now you might see a party amp in ONE instance every so often.
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Anything that begins with "I don't want to see..." Is unreasonable knucklehead time-wasting outlandish unserious self-obsessed histrionic anti-social edge-of-sanity nonsense.
That rule of thumb should be sufficient to evaluate what we've got here, and any similarly unreasonable demands, whether it's about pink clothes, non-canon uniforms, Klingons, romulans, tall toons, short toons, fire extinguishers, the color red, rep shields, women, aliens, non combat pets, antiproton weapons, emotes, morn, catians, ferengi women wearing clothes, whatever you want.
Your approach to this situation is unreasonable, and you're also blowing it WAAAAAY out of proportion. The OP asked for something small, and you pretty much attack the idea like some gun nuts in the US convinced the President is going to personally come to their house to take their guns when the subject of gun control comes up after a mass shooting. Seriously... that's how you're treating this discussion.
"Oh I want a nullifier for X" never came up in this discussion AT ALL until YOU brought it up as an attempt to deflect the discussion in a direction YOU wanted it to go.
Everyone here has tried to be civil about it, and we have already established that after the Disco Ball Bug was fixed things are back to normal, as well as the fact that the suggested change to the Nullifier will most likely not happen due to technical stuff. But frankly you keep going like your life depended on it.
Its ok to disagree on something, but to take it to the extremes that you have... seriously doesn't help your case and makes you come out like you are in it just to cause trouble and get attention.
There is no demand from people for nullifiers that nutralize the things you said because they are rather ridiculous demands and they would never even get considered. "I don't want to see women?" What kind of argument is that? "I don't want to see aliens?" Yea... there goes like 99% of a SCI-FI GAME.
The game doesn't revolve around Disco Balls. This device has been used by Trolls to the detriment of honest players. The Nullifier was made as a counter to the Trolling as a result. Some people like the Disco Ball. Some people tollerate the Disco Ball. Some people don't like the Disco Ball. Its no different than anything else in game or in Real Life.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Like most arguments, what we have here is a misunderstanding.
People against this thread's request are under the impression that MOST people enjoy the effects the Nullifier is meant to neutralize and if you don't, you must be odd.
The easiest way to demonstrate whether this is so is to make those utilizing the device which is being nullified be immediately targetable regardless of zone.
If most people enjoy the effects of the device in question, then nothing untoward will happen and they will be proved correct in their assumption.
If however they perish under a fusillade of weapons fire, then maybe they are incorrect and most people find these effects annoying at the least.
It has the added benefit of being Lore correct as well! Releasing a disruptive incendary device in ESD would be met with extreme measures in the IP.
Good to see this thread deteriorating just like every other discoball thread ever has.
Certain people have helped it along to protect a means to be disruptive.
The people attacking your idea don't have any reasonable arguments to defend their ridiculous position. It's become very clear that those people are using their posts just as they use the Party Amplifier in game. They didn't come to this thread to discuss or argue in good faith.
Keep pushing your idea, it's a good one if a bit mild in terms of of what I think should be done. The Bug has been fixed, but as a result of a number of disruptive and immature players the Party Amplifier is forever tainted now as a tool of trolls. The best course of action would be for the Developers to admit their mistake and remedy it be removing the device altogether. But failing that you're idea of buffing the Nullifier or better yet client side options to disable effects will do.
OK, even I have to admit this argument is becoming rather silly. This is supposed to be a simple feature request to add gfx to the nullifier's functions. Instead there is an argument about... Well TRIBBLE.
Seriously, this is just a little QoL request about nullifiers.
So, instead of ranting and raving like a childish fool, I'm going to make a couple of simple requests.
1. To the Op, would you please clarify your initial post to specify a client side removal of gfx, just so there are fewer misinterpretations 2. To the rest of the community, could we all dial down the overreacting a bit, this isn't a thread asking for any changes to be made to 'party amps' just nullifiers, can we keep that in mind, please?
OK, even I have to admit this argument is becoming rather silly. This is supposed to be a simple feature request to add gfx to the nullifier's functions. Instead there is an argument about... Well TRIBBLE.
Seriously, this is just a little QoL request about nullifiers.
So, instead of ranting and raving like a childish fool, I'm going to make a couple of simple requests.
1. To the Op, would you please clarify your initial post to specify a client side removal of gfx, just so there are fewer misinterpretations
2. To the rest of the community, could we all dial down the overreacting a bit, this isn't a thread asking for any changes to be made to 'party amps' just nullifiers, can we keep that in mind, please?
Thank you.
I still think that this request is not something practical simply due to the time it would take to rework the engine.
Good to see this thread deteriorating just like every other discoball thread ever has.
Certain people have helped it along to protect a means to be disruptive.
The people attacking your idea don't have any reasonable arguments to defend their ridiculous position. It's become very clear that those people are using their posts just as they use the Party Amplifier in game. They didn't come to this thread to discuss or argue in good faith.
Keep pushing your idea, it's a good one if a bit mild in terms of of what I think should be done. The Bug has been fixed, but as a result of a number of disruptive and immature players the Party Amplifier is forever tainted now as a tool of trolls. The best course of action would be for the Developers to admit their mistake and remedy it be removing the device altogether. But failing that you're idea of buffing the Nullifier or better yet client side options to disable effects will do.
Speaking of altering or removing the other item would trigger a FCT lock. Please don't mention that item. It only invites the [REDACTED] Defense Brigade.
OK, even I have to admit this argument is becoming rather silly. This is supposed to be a simple feature request to add gfx to the nullifier's functions. Instead there is an argument about... Well TRIBBLE.
Seriously, this is just a little QoL request about nullifiers.
So, instead of ranting and raving like a childish fool, I'm going to make a couple of simple requests.
1. To the Op, would you please clarify your initial post to specify a client side removal of gfx, just so there are fewer misinterpretations
2. To the rest of the community, could we all dial down the overreacting a bit, this isn't a thread asking for any changes to be made to 'party amps' just nullifiers, can we keep that in mind, please?
Thank you.
Posts can no longer be edited after a certain amount of time. Realistically, it wouldn't matter how it was phrased. There is a contingent that will protect their item and its full effect no matter how something is phrased that would lessen its effect.
edit: looks like an hour is the limit to edit a post now.
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Awesome! No joke but you just sold me this game. I watched the videos on the steam page, laughed and bought it immediately. It's great.
Kudos!
Except that if it bothers people, then doing something to prevent them being bothered, thus making them happier customers and potentially more likely to spend money is potentially worthwhile. You not liking something which only has the potential to stop trolling and griefing doesn't make it asinine. Something that blocks the effect client-side is no more asinine then all of the "social devices" are in the first place, and you obviously aren't wasting your time complaining everytime Cryptic releases a new one of those for (some) people to abuse, now are you?
Actually... no. You're taking this to the extreme of stupidity. No one has ever demanded a nullifier to not see players from another faction, or the choice in beams, or the color of their outfits.
EVER.
That is jumping to conclusions on an epic scale. So I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on that. I don't see a full opt out of Disco Ball visuals ever happening, but I also don't see the reason certain individuals feel so insulted by the very existance of the Nullifier in its current form to go on the offensive to defend their right to force people to dance when they don't want to.
Things are back to normal now anyways so frankly... I don't see a reason to continue with the debate on the merits of Disco Balls vs Nullifiers. Just make it known that Nullifiers are available for those who don't want forced dancing without their consent and everything should work out.
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Speaking realistically/pessimistically I have to agree I don't see this happening, but it still doesn't hurt to ask for it. And since the nullifier items were added fairly smoothly I think it a reasonable request that the visuals be 'nullified' by the item in addition to its normal functions.
In an ideal scenario it would be a simple matter of adjusting the Client-Side GFX rendering code to add a check to see if the player has a nullifier and if so, skip the rendering of the disco fx... Things are hardly so simple, however, so suppressing disco gfx might be a bit more complicated than that.
Still, it doesn't hurt to ask for a feature which would save much frustration by those who hate those [Redacted] items with nearly as much passion as those who love them.
And I respect that. And I'd have to agree that supressing the visuals is more complicated than just disabling the forced emote.
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What they could do at least is change the music of the disco balls. It's awful. Maybe make it something like what you hear in Club 47, or just make the disco balls play 1 random Club 47 song each time you use 1. For me they would be more tolerable if the music was better.
I think its the idea that not everyone would be able to "Enjoy" their favorite toy like they do. I can put up with the visuals, and every once in a while I will yell out in local "I DEFY YOUR DISCO BALL!" for the lulz, but some of these people just don't seem to understand that it can be annoying when forced down throats and get defensive of their toys in a belief that they are going to get taken away.
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Yeah I don't understand it. The OP's suggestion wouldn't remove disco balls. People who want to enjoy them still could. He was just asking for a way for those who don't want to be bothered by them to not be.
I think the only people getting angry about it are those who use the disco balls to intentionally annoy people and they don't want that "fun" to be taken away or even suppressed. The thing is there aren't that many players, that I've seen, that actually use them to annoy people, not since the nullifer was added.
I believe you're right. I admit I have like 17 of the things on my KDF, but I got plans for those involving J'mpok. Not players. Well... not innocent victims anyways. Wanted to pop one when there were enough guys in my fleet on to laugh at J'mpok before continuing on with business as usual.
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You know, now that you mention it, it does seem that the people most opposed to this little QoL suggestion are the ones who tend to use game mechanics/loopholes/glitches to purposefully annoy people... Ah well, c'est la vie.
I have friends who like the party amps and occasionally drop one when I hang out with them, and aside from asking me why I wasn't dancing they don't seem to discouraged from using them. And as such I don't mind the amps when the occasional one goes off, but after a while (one after another after another, and so on), even preventing my character from endlessly dancing it does get rather distracting to conduct any business at an exchange terminal or bank.
Having a Client-Side opt-out would be appreciated since I don't dance anyways.
On an unrelated note, they have music attached to them?!? I usually play with the music turned off or my pc muted I've never noticed any music on those things... LOL
Careful now, we'll have these pro Party Amplifier people claiming you not hearing Party Amplifier music is infringing on the way they choose to play the game and demand you're forced to listen. ...and yes I know that sounds ridiculous, but that's essentially their position on the visuals.
Well...
I...
Darn it!
(Seriously, though, yeah that does sound ridiculous. lol And I suspect you're right, I'll probably see comments saying I'm being a party-pooper for not listening to those things...)
Those new bugs that are introduced are usually for new content, not for unneeded changes for a device that only a small group of people are demanding ( the very same group tht always goes off the deep end about this). A bug that is introduced with a change to this device would not be the end of the world, no. However a bug that is introduced with a change WOULD be world ending for the very people screaming for the change. If people are thinking of quitting over something this minor, then a bug that changes things for the worse would more than like be seen as the last straw, or a slap in the face by the developers or that there is a conspiracy against them. So no, it isn't a lame excuse. What's lame is denying the possibilty that a change could make things worse than they are now. So why waste time with something that isn't broken?
I have a whole list of demands that I want attended to. But unlike some people, I realize that the changes I want may not be what everyone else desires, so I don't go rushing out to make demands for them. Hell, I want the KDF to have a just a few more ships... How about a freaking KDF dreadnaught? Do you see the developers rushing out to accomodate me? KDF science ships any one? Those I think are something more than just a handful of people want, but do you see it happening? I am sure Al Rivera is going to change his tune just because I want to have a KDF science ship.
With the new patch the problem is solved. The forever party is a thing of the past.
If someone asks you for a quarter are they demanding a quarter from you?
*Opens Pandora's Can of Worms*
So if someone doesn't wish to see the graphic associated with party amps... they're a knucklehead ?
That's rich.
And it's only "wrong" if it actually is a small percentage asking for this...but we don't know that.
Let's say 90% of players wished to have the graphic removed...are they all knuckleheads as well ?
Or would you change your tune ? If the numbers were vastly in favor of eliminating the graphic ?
I'm just wondering at what point something becomes worth the "Time" of the Devs..
50% - 60% -70%+ ?
Not that we will ever get the actual numbers.. but I'm curious as to what you think constitutes "enough player support" to make a change ?
On the other side of that coin, was it not a small percentage that wanted embassy consoles "nerfed" ?
Was that really a necessary change "worthy" of the dev's time ?
Based on your assertions, if a small percentage of players have issue with something, its not worth the Dev time.
hmmm we're walking a very fine line here.
(Personally I don't care about party amps, I go about my business as per usual, just felt like stirring the pot here)
That depends on the person asking, and how they are phrasing it.
The OP asked for an unspecified open ended change to the nullifiers. I think that nullifiers are fine, and am asking that they be left the way they are.
"Can we get a buff to nullifiers so they actually nullify instead of just partially disabling the effects?" is such an imperative statement.
A client-side suppression of the visuals to go along with the already existing emote suppression won't hurt the enjoyment of anyone else anymore than the emote suppression already has but it will improve the enjoyment of players who dislike the visuals for whatever reasons they dislike the visuals.
Nothing needs to be done about them. The danger is over. You can stand down from red alert. The bug is fixed so now you might see a party amp in ONE instance every so often.
Your approach to this situation is unreasonable, and you're also blowing it WAAAAAY out of proportion. The OP asked for something small, and you pretty much attack the idea like some gun nuts in the US convinced the President is going to personally come to their house to take their guns when the subject of gun control comes up after a mass shooting. Seriously... that's how you're treating this discussion.
"Oh I want a nullifier for X" never came up in this discussion AT ALL until YOU brought it up as an attempt to deflect the discussion in a direction YOU wanted it to go.
Everyone here has tried to be civil about it, and we have already established that after the Disco Ball Bug was fixed things are back to normal, as well as the fact that the suggested change to the Nullifier will most likely not happen due to technical stuff. But frankly you keep going like your life depended on it.
Its ok to disagree on something, but to take it to the extremes that you have... seriously doesn't help your case and makes you come out like you are in it just to cause trouble and get attention.
There is no demand from people for nullifiers that nutralize the things you said because they are rather ridiculous demands and they would never even get considered. "I don't want to see women?" What kind of argument is that? "I don't want to see aliens?" Yea... there goes like 99% of a SCI-FI GAME.
The game doesn't revolve around Disco Balls. This device has been used by Trolls to the detriment of honest players. The Nullifier was made as a counter to the Trolling as a result. Some people like the Disco Ball. Some people tollerate the Disco Ball. Some people don't like the Disco Ball. Its no different than anything else in game or in Real Life.
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People against this thread's request are under the impression that MOST people enjoy the effects the Nullifier is meant to neutralize and if you don't, you must be odd.
The easiest way to demonstrate whether this is so is to make those utilizing the device which is being nullified be immediately targetable regardless of zone.
If most people enjoy the effects of the device in question, then nothing untoward will happen and they will be proved correct in their assumption.
If however they perish under a fusillade of weapons fire, then maybe they are incorrect and most people find these effects annoying at the least.
It has the added benefit of being Lore correct as well! Releasing a disruptive incendary device in ESD would be met with extreme measures in the IP.
Certain people have helped it along to protect a means to be disruptive.
The people attacking your idea don't have any reasonable arguments to defend their ridiculous position. It's become very clear that those people are using their posts just as they use the Party Amplifier in game. They didn't come to this thread to discuss or argue in good faith.
Keep pushing your idea, it's a good one if a bit mild in terms of of what I think should be done. The Bug has been fixed, but as a result of a number of disruptive and immature players the Party Amplifier is forever tainted now as a tool of trolls. The best course of action would be for the Developers to admit their mistake and remedy it be removing the device altogether. But failing that you're idea of buffing the Nullifier or better yet client side options to disable effects will do.
Seriously, this is just a little QoL request about nullifiers.
So, instead of ranting and raving like a childish fool, I'm going to make a couple of simple requests.
1. To the Op, would you please clarify your initial post to specify a client side removal of gfx, just so there are fewer misinterpretations
2. To the rest of the community, could we all dial down the overreacting a bit, this isn't a thread asking for any changes to be made to 'party amps' just nullifiers, can we keep that in mind, please?
Thank you.
My character Tsin'xing
Speaking of altering or removing the other item would trigger a FCT lock. Please don't mention that item. It only invites the [REDACTED] Defense Brigade.
Posts can no longer be edited after a certain amount of time. Realistically, it wouldn't matter how it was phrased. There is a contingent that will protect their item and its full effect no matter how something is phrased that would lessen its effect.
edit: looks like an hour is the limit to edit a post now.