I wouldn't mind the party amplifiers, if they were lore specific and weren't abused as they have been. Keep them as is for the Fed side, but remove them from the KDF side, no self respecting Klingon (or Romulan for that matter) would tolerate dancing fools and flashing lights. Or at least change it on the Klingon side to everyone without a nullifier breaking out into singing Klingon Opera or something.
To be frank the whole Party Amplifier was a terrible idea, we have Risa for that stuff without shoving that stuff down everyone's throats at every station and planet. But perhaps it can be improved as I suggested instead of being removed or buffing the Nullifier.
The nullifiers should be removed because they can actually interfere with gameplay. Sometimes I'll join a ground queue and drop a disco ball at the start to give everyone the buff that the Risa doff gives to the disco balls, someone usually has the nullifier in their inventory and is unable to receive the buff. What usually happens is I'll ask them to discard the nullifier so they can benefit; they refuse even though they can just go back to a dabo vendor and pick up another as soon as we finish. The end result is it becomes harder for me to heal them as they'll take more damage throughout the instance.
Glad to see someone using the boost. Glad to devs put that doff in as a big :-P to party poopers.
Emergency Power to Party is a great buff to give your team which is why my Risian doff is always on duty.
I'm not going to dispute the effectiveness of being more evasive in ground combat, it's useful no arguments.
However, if someone wants to avoid those [Redacted item]s and lose the possibility of getting these buffs as a result, is it not also appropriate that someone who chooses to miss out on the buff also miss out on the visual 'party effects'?
The nullifiers already make the users immune to the buffs (at least I assume so, I've never gotten a buff lol), so why make those who choose not to participate in the parties watch the visuals of said parties?
I wouldn't mind the party amplifiers, if they were lore specific and weren't abused as they have been. Keep them as is for the Fed side, but remove them from the KDF side, no self respecting Klingon (or Romulan for that matter) would tolerate dancing fools and flashing lights. Or at least change it on the Klingon side to everyone without a nullifier breaking out into singing Klingon Opera or something.
To be frank the whole Party Amplifier was a terrible idea, we have Risa for that stuff without shoving that stuff down everyone's throats at every station and planet. But perhaps it can be improved as I suggested instead of being removed or buffing the Nullifier.
So very wrong.
Try to remember that the KDF is not made up of only dour Klingons. My gorn Dahar Master carries 100+ of the party amplifiers on him. He also has the Risian Doff that gives people the buff from the party amp. He has unlocked the fan dance, the samba and advanced samba, and is waiting to discover new dances. He also goes around wearing a tuxedo.
I happen to love those things. They are one of the most entertaining devices in the game.
I think it would be great if my Romulan entourage would learn to dance. What's wrong with those guys?
That screenshot is a good reason to add client-side removal of the visual effects, lower-end machines would have serious trouble just trying to render all that nonsense, having the option to remove those visuals could potentially improve performance on weaker computers.
which is a lie... it clearly is about the subspace party amplifier. because people apparently still have problems with it.
personally say get everyone who uses it to troll people and those prissy enough to actually be brothered by i,t throw them in a locked room with actually sharp bat'leths and let natural take it's course. solves all the problems :P
p.s. I'm pretty sure trying to subvert the F.C.T. rules can get a thread locked
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
From FCT thread:
"Disco Balls (Party Amplifer) threads
The items are obviously added to the game and aren't going anywhere. However, everytime people make threads about them they tend to turn into threads of flaming, trolling and harassment. As such, we aren't going to allow these threads anymore unless something changes with them."
This thread was created asking for the client-side removal of visuals of effected abilities to the Subspace nullifier Items, it is not asking for any action to be taken for or against the [Redacted Item]s.
Edit: admittedly this is close to being a FCT violation, but if we can get it settled that no one is asking any action taken regarding the [Redacted Item]s, and focus on the nullifier items, we should be fine.
Naming the item would invite thread closure under the FCT.
Talking about something without naming it isn't any different than just talking about the same item. Pretending you're immune to closure just because you don't say "Party Amp" is just plain silly.
Now, you might be able to say you are immune because you are discussing Nullifiers, not Amps, but really, that's up to a mod.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
Naming the item would invite thread closure under the FCT.
Talking about something without naming it isn't any different than just talking about the same item. Pretending you're immune to closure just because you don't say "Party Amp" is just plain silly.
Now, you might be able to say you are immune because you are discussing Nullifiers, not Amps, but really, that's up to a mod.
The first rule of FCT club is you do not talk about [REDACTED].
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Naming the item would invite thread closure under the FCT.
Talking about something without naming it isn't any different than just talking about the same item. Pretending you're immune to closure just because you don't say "Party Amp" is just plain silly.
Now, you might be able to say you are immune because you are discussing Nullifiers, not Amps, but really, that's up to a mod.
You know, I tend to agree with you, and personally I have no ill opinions of said items, but since the revamp of ESD a few months back I'm noticing lower FPS on my machine, and since I already use the nullifier items it only seems appropriate to remove the visuals too and perhaps improve my fps a bit. Or at least negate any FPS hit those items cause in gfx heavy maps.
Try to remember that the KDF is not made up of only dour Klingons. My gorn Dahar Master carries 100+ of the party amplifiers on him. He also has the Risian Doff that gives people the buff from the party amp. He has unlocked the fan dance, the samba and advanced samba, and is waiting to discover new dances. He also goes around wearing a tuxedo.
I happen to love those things. They are one of the most entertaining devices in the game.
I think it would be great if my Romulan entourage would learn to dance. What's wrong with those guys?
Your failure as a player to integrate your character into the existing game world but rather choose to play your Gorn in such a way that makes it a pox on other player's immersion in the Klingon areas doesn't make me wrong.
If there isn't a move to change the Party Amplifier appropriate to the faction/lore where it's used then I 100% support this call to buff the Party Nullifier to remove all visuals as well as auto dancing for any player equipped with the Nullifier. Furthermore I think every new character should automatically come with a Party Nullifier. So their gameplay quality both in terms of PC performance and immersion is maintained without having to figure out where to buy a Party Nullifier as a new player.
Naming the item would invite thread closure under the FCT.
Talking about something without naming it isn't any different than just talking about the same item. Pretending you're immune to closure just because you don't say "Party Amp" is just plain silly.
Now, you might be able to say you are immune because you are discussing Nullifiers, not Amps, but really, that's up to a mod.
You know, I tend to agree with you, and personally I have no ill opinions of said items, but since the revamp of ESD a few months back I'm noticing lower FPS on my machine, and since I already use the nullifier items it only seems appropriate to remove the visuals too and perhaps improve my fps a bit. Or at least negate any FPS hit those items cause in gfx heavy maps.
Yeah, in case my post be interpreted as against the idea in the OP, it is not. I support the ability to ignore the effects of the Amp. Just the idea that skirting the words "Party Amp" is... nonsense.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
In my opinion, the OP was trying to get a valid discussion going.
The problem is certain players showed up and derailed the thread. The very same players that derailed threads about party amplifiers that wound up being closed.
Unfortunately we aren't able to have a valid discussion regarding party amplifiers or nullifiers in any way, shape, or form, without these certain players showing up and doing their best to start arguments.
I'd have to have to ask for Askray to amend the FCT to include discussions of anything related to these in game items since some players can't keep things civil.
Try to remember that the KDF is not made up of only dour Klingons. My gorn Dahar Master carries 100+ of the party amplifiers on him. He also has the Risian Doff that gives people the buff from the party amp. He has unlocked the fan dance, the samba and advanced samba, and is waiting to discover new dances. He also goes around wearing a tuxedo.
I happen to love those things. They are one of the most entertaining devices in the game.
I think it would be great if my Romulan entourage would learn to dance. What's wrong with those guys?
Your failure as a player to integrate your character into the existing game world but rather choose to play your Gorn in such a way that makes it a pox on other player's immersion in the Klingon areas doesn't make me wrong.
If there isn't a move to change the Party Amplifier appropriate to the faction/lore where it's used then I 100% support this call to buff the Party Nullifier to remove all visuals as well as auto dancing for any player equipped with the Nullifier. Furthermore I think every new character should automatically come with a Party Nullifier. So their gameplay quality both in terms of PC performance and immersion is maintained without having to figure out where to buy a Party Nullifier as a new player.
Wow. If you don't play the way I want you to then you are a horrible person.
You are wrong because you are trying to force others to play they way you want them to. You can marinade yourself in immersion however you like, but leave the rest of us out. We can play our character however we like thanks. Just because something is out of place doesn't make it wrong.
Being hateful doesn't help your cause. You shouldn't be so narrow minded when it comes to how other people choose to play the game. Star trek isn't just about you.
In case you missed it, lore tends to be butchered in this game when it's convenient. Lol dinosaurs with lazors anyone?
The captain giving orders to a fleet admiral? The shoot first and ask questions later stance of the federation?
Party amps and nullifiers are not being changed. The current bug is being patched. Your silly desire for nullifiers on new characters will never happen. Gameplay quality is subjective. The performance issue is debatable.
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Can someone explain to me what a nullifier is any why it should be buffed. I've never seen one before.
The Subspace Party Nullifier, available for 100 latinum at any GPL store, blocks the effects of the Subspace Party Amplifier (AKA Disco Ball) by preventing the involuntary dancing while within the area of effect of said device. The Nullifier only needs to be in your inventory to work.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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Unfortunately we aren't able to have a valid discussion regarding party amplifiers or nullifiers in any way, shape, or form, without these certain players showing up and doing their best to start arguments.
I'd have to have to ask for Askray to amend the FCT to include discussions of anything related to these in game items since some players can't keep things civil.
It's obviously a contentious issue. Censoring the discussion isn't going to remove the animosity different player types have towards one another nor fix the the damage caused by the introduction of the Party Amplifier. Unless posters are clearly trolling they should be able to give their opinion on this or any other subject. Civility simply for appearance sake is like dressing an infected wound with a bandage and expecting it to clear up all on it's own rather than fester and get worse.
In my opinion, the OP was trying to get a valid discussion going.
The problem is certain players showed up and derailed the thread. The very same players that derailed threads about party amplifiers that wound up being closed.
Unfortunately we aren't able to have a valid discussion regarding party amplifiers or nullifiers in any way, shape, or form, without these certain players showing up and doing their best to start arguments.
I'd have to have to ask for Askray to amend the FCT to include discussions of anything related to these in game items since some players can't keep things civil.
While I tend not to agree with mammals that throw their own poo, the monkey has a point. (Meant in good humor)
A resonable discussion about amending the abilities of nullifiers is the desired outcome here, and unfortunately this thread does seem to wander a bit...
Point is, amending the Nullifier items to remove the 'disco' visuals Client-Side, I can't emphasize this enough Client-Side as in "would not affect users of party amps at all", is a reasonable request.
If for no other reason than it's a distraction from a player's normal activities, which may or may not be welcome and should be up to the individual as to whether or not to participate in the impromptu parties when someone drops an 'amp'.
Naming the item would invite thread closure under the FCT.
Talking about something without naming it isn't any different than just talking about the same item. Pretending you're immune to closure just because you don't say "Party Amp" is just plain silly.
Now, you might be able to say you are immune because you are discussing Nullifiers, not Amps, but really, that's up to a mod.
You know, I tend to agree with you, and personally I have no ill opinions of said items, but since the revamp of ESD a few months back I'm noticing lower FPS on my machine, and since I already use the nullifier items it only seems appropriate to remove the visuals too and perhaps improve my fps a bit. Or at least negate any FPS hit those items cause in gfx heavy maps.
Yeah, in case my post be interpreted as against the idea in the OP, it is not. I support the ability to ignore the effects of the Amp. Just the idea that skirting the words "Party Amp" is... nonsense.
In before the lock post, mentioning those things only derails any discussions about nullifiers. Which is why I didn't want the thread to mention them. Nothing good ever comes of it. The [REDACTED] defense squad will come to their aid and goad the thread into getting locked.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
In my opinion, the OP was trying to get a valid discussion going.
The problem is certain players showed up and derailed the thread. The very same players that derailed threads about party amplifiers that wound up being closed.
Unfortunately we aren't able to have a valid discussion regarding party amplifiers or nullifiers in any way, shape, or form, without these certain players showing up and doing their best to start arguments.
I'd have to have to ask for Askray to amend the FCT to include discussions of anything related to these in game items since some players can't keep things civil.
While I tend not to agree with mammals that throw their own poo, the monkey has a point. (Meant in good humor)
A resonable discussion about amending the abilities of nullifiers is the desired outcome here, and unfortunately this thread does seem to wander a bit...
Point is, amending the Nullifier items to remove the 'disco' visuals Client-Side, I can't emphasize this enough Client-Side as in "would not affect users of party amps at all", is a reasonable request.
If for no other reason than it's a distraction from a player's normal activities, which may or may not be welcome and should be up to the individual as to whether or not to participate in the impromptu parties when someone drops an 'amp'.
While the idea of allowing a person to "opt-out" client side may seem like a good idea on paper, in practice it would proabably end up causing more problems than it solves.
This whole uproar is caused by a bug. What makes you think that any such fix will be bug free? What happens when this fix ends up crashing clients whenever a party amp is present. Think of the troll potential of that! Or how about getting screen tears or odd visual effects as the client can't decide what to draw and what not to.
In short, you are asking for more problems. They would end up having to spend time fixing bugs for a fix that was not needed. The nullifiers work as intended now. Messing with them is asking for the law of unintended consequences to mug you.
Wow. If you don't play the way I want you to then you are a horrible person.
You are wrong because you are trying to force others to play they way you want them to. You can marinade yourself in immersion however you like, but leave the rest of us out. We can play our character however we like thanks. Just because something is out of place doesn't make it wrong.
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So YOU can play how you want, but when others want to play the way THEY want by not having your gameplay shoved in their face that's unacceptable to you?
Seriously think about your position.. You want to be able to turn every public place in the game into a disco/pride parade and force other people's character to dance and the player behind the character to be subject to flashing lights.
If your going to be consistent and not blazing hypocrite with a statement like this "You are wrong because you are trying to force others to play they way you want them to" Then you should 100% support the OP request for the Party Nulifier to remove ALL effects of the Amplifier for the user. Also not to discriminate against new players they should have access to the Nulifier from the start.
Naming the item would invite thread closure under the FCT.
Talking about something without naming it isn't any different than just talking about the same item. Pretending you're immune to closure just because you don't say "Party Amp" is just plain silly.
Now, you might be able to say you are immune because you are discussing Nullifiers, not Amps, but really, that's up to a mod.
You know, I tend to agree with you, and personally I have no ill opinions of said items, but since the revamp of ESD a few months back I'm noticing lower FPS on my machine, and since I already use the nullifier items it only seems appropriate to remove the visuals too and perhaps improve my fps a bit. Or at least negate any FPS hit those items cause in gfx heavy maps.
Yeah, in case my post be interpreted as against the idea in the OP, it is not. I support the ability to ignore the effects of the Amp. Just the idea that skirting the words "Party Amp" is... nonsense.
In before the lock post, mentioning those things only derails any discussions about nullifiers. Which is why I didn't want the thread to mention them. Nothing good ever comes of it. The [REDACTED] defense squad will come to their aid and goad the thread into getting locked.
Bologna.
Nullifiers, what do you want them to nullify? The effects. The effects of what? Answering [Redacted] is no different than saying Party Amps. This thread was started to discuss something that cancels out the effects of something you won't talk about. It's impossible.
Thing is, I agree, it would be great to be able to do more than just not dance, it'd be super if I could save my FPS for something I care about looking at. But if I were a mod, this would be more likely to be shut down, not because you're discussing Amps, but because you are trying to seem sneaky about it.
Knock it off.
Oh, and "In Before the Lock" posts are, in fact, expressly forbidden in the TOS, so good job on doing your part in keeping this one going...
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
In my opinion, the OP was trying to get a valid discussion going.
The problem is certain players showed up and derailed the thread. The very same players that derailed threads about party amplifiers that wound up being closed.
Unfortunately we aren't able to have a valid discussion regarding party amplifiers or nullifiers in any way, shape, or form, without these certain players showing up and doing their best to start arguments.
I'd have to have to ask for Askray to amend the FCT to include discussions of anything related to these in game items since some players can't keep things civil.
While I tend not to agree with mammals that throw their own poo, the monkey has a point. (Meant in good humor)
A resonable discussion about amending the abilities of nullifiers is the desired outcome here, and unfortunately this thread does seem to wander a bit...
Point is, amending the Nullifier items to remove the 'disco' visuals Client-Side, I can't emphasize this enough Client-Side as in "would not affect users of party amps at all", is a reasonable request.
If for no other reason than it's a distraction from a player's normal activities, which may or may not be welcome and should be up to the individual as to whether or not to participate in the impromptu parties when someone drops an 'amp'.
While the idea of allowing a person to "opt-out" client side may seem like a good idea on paper, in practice it would proabably end up causing more problems than it solves.
This whole uproar is caused by a bug. What makes you think that any such fix will be bug free? What happens when this fix ends up crashing clients whenever a party amp is present. Think of the troll potential of that! Or how about getting screen tears or odd visual effects as the client can't decide what to draw and what not to.
In short, you are asking for more problems. They would end up having to spend time fixing bugs for a fix that was not needed. The nullifiers work as intended now. Messing with them is asking for the law of unintended consequences to mug you.
Interesting take on this...
And yes, asking for a feature to be added to something that works does invite the potential for bugs to be created.
However I think you are overestimating the potential downsides of it. Making a Client-side opt-out of visual effects would at worst case cause the visuals to either appear when they shouldn't or not appear when they should.
This would be a welcome quality-of-life addition for STO should it be implemented properly, and since the nullifiers were added without incident it is likely that modifying the code shouldn't be too difficult.
Wow. If you don't play the way I want you to then you are a horrible person.
You are wrong because you are trying to force others to play they way you want them to. You can marinade yourself in immersion however you like, but leave the rest of us out. We can play our character however we like thanks. Just because something is out of place doesn't make it wrong.
[...]
So YOU can play how you want, but when others want to play the way THEY want by not having your gameplay shoved in their face that's unacceptable to you?
Seriously think about your position.. You want to be able to turn every public place in the game into a disco/pride parade and force other people's character to dance and the player behind the character to be subject to flashing lights.
If your going to be consistent and not blazing hypocrite with a statement like this "You are wrong because you are trying to force others to play they way you want them to" Then you should 100% support the OP request for the Party Nulifier to remove ALL effects of the Amplifier for the user. Also not to discriminate against new players they should have access to the Nulifier from the start.
I have thought about my position....I thought I made it clear.
Let sleeping dogs lie. The party amp and the nullifier are fine.
New players do have access to the nullifier. They can acquire it like anyone else.
I am practical. I said before that is uproar is over a bug. You want to introduce a new mechanic to something that already works fine, potentially introducing NEW bugs that developers will have to take time to track down, and fix taking them away from other more useful projects just to satisfy your immersion. This isn't a game play issue for you. It's an immersion one. The amp in no way affects your ability to play the game mechanics wise.
I have thought about my position....I thought I made it clear.
Let sleeping dogs lie. The party amp and the nullifier are fine.
New players do have access to the nullifier. They can acquire it like anyone else.
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Your position does seem clear, and hypocritical.
It's not a sleeping dog, the dog's pooping all over the floor and some of us would like those responsible to clean it up.
The nuliffier is not fine, this whole thread is about the fact it's not fine, as it only nulifies some of the effects of a device that many it would seem believe should have never been added to the game in the first place.
Your disregard for new players is also glaringly obvious. Most new players won't know where to go, or that the nulifier even exists. To be honest had I joined STO at the height of this debacle and been greeted with a multitude of immersion breaking, visually obscuring, and in some cases performance reducing disco balls I may well have logged off and uninstalled.
In my opinion, the OP was trying to get a valid discussion going.
The problem is certain players showed up and derailed the thread. The very same players that derailed threads about party amplifiers that wound up being closed.
Unfortunately we aren't able to have a valid discussion regarding party amplifiers or nullifiers in any way, shape, or form, without these certain players showing up and doing their best to start arguments.
I'd have to have to ask for Askray to amend the FCT to include discussions of anything related to these in game items since some players can't keep things civil.
While I tend not to agree with mammals that throw their own poo, the monkey has a point. (Meant in good humor)
A resonable discussion about amending the abilities of nullifiers is the desired outcome here, and unfortunately this thread does seem to wander a bit...
Point is, amending the Nullifier items to remove the 'disco' visuals Client-Side, I can't emphasize this enough Client-Side as in "would not affect users of party amps at all", is a reasonable request.
If for no other reason than it's a distraction from a player's normal activities, which may or may not be welcome and should be up to the individual as to whether or not to participate in the impromptu parties when someone drops an 'amp'.
While the idea of allowing a person to "opt-out" client side may seem like a good idea on paper, in practice it would proabably end up causing more problems than it solves.
This whole uproar is caused by a bug. What makes you think that any such fix will be bug free? What happens when this fix ends up crashing clients whenever a party amp is present. Think of the troll potential of that! Or how about getting screen tears or odd visual effects as the client can't decide what to draw and what not to.
In short, you are asking for more problems. They would end up having to spend time fixing bugs for a fix that was not needed. The nullifiers work as intended now. Messing with them is asking for the law of unintended consequences to mug you.
Interesting take on this...
And yes, asking for a feature to be added to something that works does invite the potential for bugs to be created.
However I think you are overestimating the potential downsides of it. Making a Client-side opt-out of visual effects would at worst case cause the visuals to either appear when they shouldn't or not appear when they should.
This would be a welcome quality-of-life addition for STO should it be implemented properly, and since the nullifiers were added without incident it is likely that modifying the code shouldn't be too difficult.
You are being optimistic.
This bug seems to have appeared out of nowhere. It's not gamebreaking. It just annoys some people, and makes others screaming mad, while others think "ok, that's cool", and the majority just go about their business.
Think about all the other bugs that have come from quality of life improvements. Take for example the loadout bugs, the inaccessible uniform bugs, there are tons of others... Remember you are asking the client to not render something that is normally rendered for all other clients. Also remember that the code base for STO is a labyrinthine mess at best. There are times the developers simply cannot do something because they cannot fix the underlying mess, or would have to rebuild the codebase from the ground up. Think of it as a house of cards.
Again, while a client side solution sounds like an ideal solution, in practice it may not turn out as you desire.
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It stops the forced dancing emote of a certain item but does not suppress the visuals.
What item and what emote? I'm so confused!
Naming the item would invite thread closure under the FCT.
To be frank the whole Party Amplifier was a terrible idea, we have Risa for that stuff without shoving that stuff down everyone's throats at every station and planet. But perhaps it can be improved as I suggested instead of being removed or buffing the Nullifier.
Emergency Power to Party is a great buff to give your team which is why my Risian doff is always on duty.
However, if someone wants to avoid those [Redacted item]s and lose the possibility of getting these buffs as a result, is it not also appropriate that someone who chooses to miss out on the buff also miss out on the visual 'party effects'?
The nullifiers already make the users immune to the buffs (at least I assume so, I've never gotten a buff lol), so why make those who choose not to participate in the parties watch the visuals of said parties?
This thread isn't about that item.
So very wrong.
Try to remember that the KDF is not made up of only dour Klingons. My gorn Dahar Master carries 100+ of the party amplifiers on him. He also has the Risian Doff that gives people the buff from the party amp. He has unlocked the fan dance, the samba and advanced samba, and is waiting to discover new dances. He also goes around wearing a tuxedo.
I happen to love those things. They are one of the most entertaining devices in the game.
I think it would be great if my Romulan entourage would learn to dance. What's wrong with those guys?
which is a lie... it clearly is about the subspace party amplifier. because people apparently still have problems with it.
personally say get everyone who uses it to troll people and those prissy enough to actually be brothered by i,t throw them in a locked room with actually sharp bat'leths and let natural take it's course. solves all the problems :P
p.s. I'm pretty sure trying to subvert the F.C.T. rules can get a thread locked
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
This thread is about getting the nullifier to block all effects of that item client-side.
Not about the merits of that item.
Not about the drawbacks of that item.
Make a new thread for those discussions.
"Disco Balls (Party Amplifer) threads
The items are obviously added to the game and aren't going anywhere. However, everytime people make threads about them they tend to turn into threads of flaming, trolling and harassment. As such, we aren't going to allow these threads anymore unless something changes with them."
This thread was created asking for the client-side removal of visuals of effected abilities to the Subspace nullifier Items, it is not asking for any action to be taken for or against the [Redacted Item]s.
Edit: admittedly this is close to being a FCT violation, but if we can get it settled that no one is asking any action taken regarding the [Redacted Item]s, and focus on the nullifier items, we should be fine.
Talking about something without naming it isn't any different than just talking about the same item. Pretending you're immune to closure just because you don't say "Party Amp" is just plain silly.
Now, you might be able to say you are immune because you are discussing Nullifiers, not Amps, but really, that's up to a mod.
The first rule of FCT club is you do not talk about [REDACTED].
You know, I tend to agree with you, and personally I have no ill opinions of said items, but since the revamp of ESD a few months back I'm noticing lower FPS on my machine, and since I already use the nullifier items it only seems appropriate to remove the visuals too and perhaps improve my fps a bit. Or at least negate any FPS hit those items cause in gfx heavy maps.
Your failure as a player to integrate your character into the existing game world but rather choose to play your Gorn in such a way that makes it a pox on other player's immersion in the Klingon areas doesn't make me wrong.
If there isn't a move to change the Party Amplifier appropriate to the faction/lore where it's used then I 100% support this call to buff the Party Nullifier to remove all visuals as well as auto dancing for any player equipped with the Nullifier. Furthermore I think every new character should automatically come with a Party Nullifier. So their gameplay quality both in terms of PC performance and immersion is maintained without having to figure out where to buy a Party Nullifier as a new player.
Yeah, in case my post be interpreted as against the idea in the OP, it is not. I support the ability to ignore the effects of the Amp. Just the idea that skirting the words "Party Amp" is... nonsense.
The problem is certain players showed up and derailed the thread. The very same players that derailed threads about party amplifiers that wound up being closed.
Unfortunately we aren't able to have a valid discussion regarding party amplifiers or nullifiers in any way, shape, or form, without these certain players showing up and doing their best to start arguments.
I'd have to have to ask for Askray to amend the FCT to include discussions of anything related to these in game items since some players can't keep things civil.
Wow. If you don't play the way I want you to then you are a horrible person.
You are wrong because you are trying to force others to play they way you want them to. You can marinade yourself in immersion however you like, but leave the rest of us out. We can play our character however we like thanks. Just because something is out of place doesn't make it wrong.
Being hateful doesn't help your cause. You shouldn't be so narrow minded when it comes to how other people choose to play the game. Star trek isn't just about you.
In case you missed it, lore tends to be butchered in this game when it's convenient. Lol dinosaurs with lazors anyone?
The captain giving orders to a fleet admiral? The shoot first and ask questions later stance of the federation?
Party amps and nullifiers are not being changed. The current bug is being patched. Your silly desire for nullifiers on new characters will never happen. Gameplay quality is subjective. The performance issue is debatable.
The Subspace Party Nullifier, available for 100 latinum at any GPL store, blocks the effects of the Subspace Party Amplifier (AKA Disco Ball) by preventing the involuntary dancing while within the area of effect of said device. The Nullifier only needs to be in your inventory to work.
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It's obviously a contentious issue. Censoring the discussion isn't going to remove the animosity different player types have towards one another nor fix the the damage caused by the introduction of the Party Amplifier. Unless posters are clearly trolling they should be able to give their opinion on this or any other subject. Civility simply for appearance sake is like dressing an infected wound with a bandage and expecting it to clear up all on it's own rather than fester and get worse.
While I tend not to agree with mammals that throw their own poo, the monkey has a point. (Meant in good humor)
A resonable discussion about amending the abilities of nullifiers is the desired outcome here, and unfortunately this thread does seem to wander a bit...
Point is, amending the Nullifier items to remove the 'disco' visuals Client-Side, I can't emphasize this enough Client-Side as in "would not affect users of party amps at all", is a reasonable request.
If for no other reason than it's a distraction from a player's normal activities, which may or may not be welcome and should be up to the individual as to whether or not to participate in the impromptu parties when someone drops an 'amp'.
In before the lock post, mentioning those things only derails any discussions about nullifiers. Which is why I didn't want the thread to mention them. Nothing good ever comes of it. The [REDACTED] defense squad will come to their aid and goad the thread into getting locked.
While the idea of allowing a person to "opt-out" client side may seem like a good idea on paper, in practice it would proabably end up causing more problems than it solves.
This whole uproar is caused by a bug. What makes you think that any such fix will be bug free? What happens when this fix ends up crashing clients whenever a party amp is present. Think of the troll potential of that! Or how about getting screen tears or odd visual effects as the client can't decide what to draw and what not to.
In short, you are asking for more problems. They would end up having to spend time fixing bugs for a fix that was not needed. The nullifiers work as intended now. Messing with them is asking for the law of unintended consequences to mug you.
So YOU can play how you want, but when others want to play the way THEY want by not having your gameplay shoved in their face that's unacceptable to you?
Seriously think about your position.. You want to be able to turn every public place in the game into a disco/pride parade and force other people's character to dance and the player behind the character to be subject to flashing lights.
If your going to be consistent and not blazing hypocrite with a statement like this "You are wrong because you are trying to force others to play they way you want them to" Then you should 100% support the OP request for the Party Nulifier to remove ALL effects of the Amplifier for the user. Also not to discriminate against new players they should have access to the Nulifier from the start.
Bologna.
Nullifiers, what do you want them to nullify? The effects. The effects of what? Answering [Redacted] is no different than saying Party Amps. This thread was started to discuss something that cancels out the effects of something you won't talk about. It's impossible.
Thing is, I agree, it would be great to be able to do more than just not dance, it'd be super if I could save my FPS for something I care about looking at. But if I were a mod, this would be more likely to be shut down, not because you're discussing Amps, but because you are trying to seem sneaky about it.
Knock it off.
Oh, and "In Before the Lock" posts are, in fact, expressly forbidden in the TOS, so good job on doing your part in keeping this one going...
Interesting take on this...
And yes, asking for a feature to be added to something that works does invite the potential for bugs to be created.
However I think you are overestimating the potential downsides of it. Making a Client-side opt-out of visual effects would at worst case cause the visuals to either appear when they shouldn't or not appear when they should.
This would be a welcome quality-of-life addition for STO should it be implemented properly, and since the nullifiers were added without incident it is likely that modifying the code shouldn't be too difficult.
I have thought about my position....I thought I made it clear.
Let sleeping dogs lie. The party amp and the nullifier are fine.
New players do have access to the nullifier. They can acquire it like anyone else.
I am practical. I said before that is uproar is over a bug. You want to introduce a new mechanic to something that already works fine, potentially introducing NEW bugs that developers will have to take time to track down, and fix taking them away from other more useful projects just to satisfy your immersion. This isn't a game play issue for you. It's an immersion one. The amp in no way affects your ability to play the game mechanics wise.
Your position does seem clear, and hypocritical.
It's not a sleeping dog, the dog's pooping all over the floor and some of us would like those responsible to clean it up.
The nuliffier is not fine, this whole thread is about the fact it's not fine, as it only nulifies some of the effects of a device that many it would seem believe should have never been added to the game in the first place.
Your disregard for new players is also glaringly obvious. Most new players won't know where to go, or that the nulifier even exists. To be honest had I joined STO at the height of this debacle and been greeted with a multitude of immersion breaking, visually obscuring, and in some cases performance reducing disco balls I may well have logged off and uninstalled.
You are being optimistic.
This bug seems to have appeared out of nowhere. It's not gamebreaking. It just annoys some people, and makes others screaming mad, while others think "ok, that's cool", and the majority just go about their business.
Think about all the other bugs that have come from quality of life improvements. Take for example the loadout bugs, the inaccessible uniform bugs, there are tons of others... Remember you are asking the client to not render something that is normally rendered for all other clients. Also remember that the code base for STO is a labyrinthine mess at best. There are times the developers simply cannot do something because they cannot fix the underlying mess, or would have to rebuild the codebase from the ground up. Think of it as a house of cards.
Again, while a client side solution sounds like an ideal solution, in practice it may not turn out as you desire.