Note sure about the quoting. I hit the button and the text box at the bottom of the screen fills in with it. Unfortunately, it has a tendency to bring along the quotes that the post your quoting had in it. I just edit it all out, leaving the first quoted person and deleting all the rest.
I went and bought five of those packs last night and opened them. Had I known I would have waited to buy, 'che sera sera'. I have not gotten any Very Rare Doffs, but one Pack did give me two Rares. Some have had two Uncommons. Otherwise what they tell you is what you normally get - 4 Common, 2 Uncommon, and 1 Rare. Forget about the '...or better', because it usually doesn't. The other items are usually the Gamma Quadrant provisions, or Fleet Provisions. Again, little chance for the 4 Fleet Modules and getting the Starshiip Traits are probably close to the odds of getting the Krenim Science Dreadnought.
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Hey new folks, if this is your first promo pack, welcome to STO, are ya enjoying it? It's pretty much the best Star Trek game out there.
Make that the only active game out there, because story and feel wise, there have been much better examples.
Speaking as a sci captain, thanks for making it easy to both keep money in my pocket and stay away from coming back to the ridiculous power creep and grind, Cryptic
You are guaranteed to get it from the exchange for a certain amount of ec dude. 100% guaranteed.
It's listed on the exchange, you double click, a sum of ec is transferred from your bank to the sellers bank, the ship is transferred from the exchange to your inventory.
Solid gold, 100% guarantee.
And that way you're 100% guaranteed to spend around $300 on a SINGLE ship for a SINGLE character. "Solid gold"? For Cryptic's coffers, it sure is.
You are guaranteed to get it from the exchange for a certain amount of ec dude. 100% guaranteed.
It's listed on the exchange, you double click, a sum of ec is transferred from your bank to the sellers bank, the ship is transferred from the exchange to your inventory.
Solid gold, 100% guarantee.
And that way you're 100% guaranteed to spend around $300 on a SINGLE ship for a SINGLE character. "Solid gold"? For Cryptic's coffers, it sure is.
It may be 350m for a little while. After that, prices will start going up to 500m and after that there may not be any left on the exchange at all, however in that case you would probably be able to find the odd player who's stashed some away so they can sell it to you for 750m-1b EC via trade window.
EDIT: oops, I saw that $300 as 300m for some reason
The only thing about this that ticks me off is that the trait would be great for any science captain, but because of one man's hate, it is locked behind a $300-$600 paywall.
You are guaranteed to get it from the exchange for a certain amount of ec dude. 100% guaranteed.
It's listed on the exchange, you double click, a sum of ec is transferred from your bank to the sellers bank, the ship is transferred from the exchange to your inventory.
Solid gold, 100% guarantee.
And that way you're 100% guaranteed to spend around $300 on a SINGLE ship for a SINGLE character. "Solid gold"? For Cryptic's coffers, it sure is.
That isn't how trading cards or draft systems typically work. Average cost of acquisition is always going to be higher than aftermarket price.
Even trading cards I have seen in WoW:TCG, Magic the Gathering, etc. that go for, say, $1000 have a higher cost of acquisition. The after market value should only match or exceed the cost of acquisition through chance after the supply dries up or maybe for the first day due to a novelty effect.
For example: Krenim Imperium Warship. Average cost of acquisition via lockbox: $225. Cost of acquisition via Master Keys->EC->Exchange: About $35. There are a variety of factors in play behind this. A big part of it is that the box opening is going to yield over one T6 ship worth of Lobi and other valuable items. But there are a variety of other microeconomic, picoeconomic, and behavioral factors that go into shaping this. You could infer a lot from examining these rates.
Now, sure, I think there are factors that could cause this ship to price differently, tugging in different ways. Unpopularity of Science, on the whole. Klingon/Romulan demand for Sci vessels. Specific interest in the canon surrounding the ship. Console/build synergy. Desire for the trait. Desire for DOffs/Lobi. Demand for Master Keys. Sales. Demand for any of the various currencies in the economy. The EC cap.
This ship isn't exactly a Jem'Hadar bug though. Might some go for high amounts? Sure. I'd say the bug is iconic and also pretty much the perfect escort design for STO's combat system and a source of carrier pets.
This ship isn't QUITE as iconic and doesn't so much benefit other ships (the way Bug carrier pets do) as it benefits FROM other ships. I also suspect the bug is a ship whales are most likely to have multiples of whereas this ship isn't likely to be sought in multiples.
My gut says 120-150M. Could be lower. I don't see it being much higher once demand tapers off until the promo ends.
Nice ship, but the chance to get it is very low....
As i got 16 toons, i'm investing only in account unlocks - so Zen Store and Events ships for me only...
My little inquisition was that @repetitiveepic said "You can get space rich from just this one event, and easily afford the omg science dreadnought omg " and I question that claim. The ship stats may end up to be junk, so its price won't be that high. But assuming it costs at least 300MM like other promotional ships, I don't see how this one event could provide anyone with all the EC they need to buy it outright
After having watched lockbox day and taken part in it to a limited extent, I know it's certainly possible. Assuming of course you've got the resources to take advantage of it, something I don't have right now which is frustrating. Even so, I suspect I'll be able to make at least 50m from it. Looking at my current resources, if I went all in, I could probably make 200m. But, there's other things the event will affect that I could probably make some EC from and there will also be some longer term investment type things. So even with my limited resources, I could probably make the EC to buy one outright. Certainly not planning on it as I have other goals right now with the most important one getting myself more setup to be able to take advantage of these things down the road. Of course, this assumes that this promo (and ship prices etc) follows the "typical" trends.
My gut says 120-150M. Could be lower. I don't see it being much higher once demand tapers off until the promo ends.
Rest assured, if this new ship shows up in the exchange anywhere near the outrageously low range of 120-150m, barring any drop rate shennanigans, they will not be there for long. Many folks have standing purchase orders for all promo ships, at a much higher price than 120-150m.
The price of promo ships are not strongly based on functional utility value, but rather rarity and the cost to intentionally produce new ones.
I was kind of hoping this ship would have been an reward for doing the Iconian (still looking for it by the way) war finale.
Oh well, that brief glimmer of hope is dashed.....
Same here. I was hoping that the ship would have been a Mission Reward like the Ambassador and Ambassador Retrofit or like the Solanae Hybrid Ships.
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My gut says 120-150M. Could be lower. I don't see it being much higher once demand tapers off until the promo ends.
Rest assured, if this new ship shows up in the exchange anywhere near the outrageously low range of 120-150m, barring any drop rate shennanigans, they will not be there for long. Many folks have standing purchase orders for all promo ships, at a much higher price than 120-150m.
The price of promo ships are not strongly based on functional utility value, but rather rarity and the cost to intentionally produce new ones.
It's no more expensive to acquire than a lockbox ship. Why are people guessing so high? Sci ships aren't THAT popular and it isn't THAT iconic, is it?
Same acquisition cost as a lockbox ship. Lockbox ships sell for around 100M. I'm not sure I see the difference here. There are going to be a TON of these after the first 48 hours.
Same acquisition cost as a lockbox ship. Lockbox ships sell for around 100M. I'm not sure I see the difference here. There are going to be a TON of these after the first 48 hours.
Couple things from my notes where I check on a few items every few days.
Temporal Science Vessel :: Wells :: 239m :: that was a few days back, it's now 479m
The Krenim Imperium Warship hit almost 200m. I wasn't watching it constantly so it could have been higher at some point. It's around 100m now but it's also still being acquired from lockboxes.
I haven't looked at all lockbox ships and there are ones around the 100m price.
This one? How will one acquire it once the promo is done? As far as I know, once the promo is done, that's it. So it will end up being rare which will keep the price high. Of course, it will all depend on the drop rate but over time it's price will go up. Those that know that, will buy up the cheap ones and hold them to sell later. I just wish I could get in on this action lol
Edit: Ok.. Just found this which was from a similar promotion via R&D pack, There's a total of 2 on the exchange lol
Same acquisition cost as a lockbox ship. Lockbox ships sell for around 100M. I'm not sure I see the difference here. There are going to be a TON of these after the first 48 hours.
Couple things from my notes where I check on a few items every few days.
Temporal Science Vessel :: Wells :: 239m :: that was a few days back, it's now 479m
The Krenim Imperium Warship hit almost 200m. I wasn't watching it constantly so it could have been higher at some point. It's around 100m now but it's also still being acquired from lockboxes.
I haven't looked at all lockbox ships and there are ones around the 100m price.
This one? How will one acquire it once the promo is done? As far as I know, once the promo is done, that's it. So it will end up being rare which will keep the price high. Of course, it will all depend on the drop rate but over time it's price will go up. Those that know that, will buy up the cheap ones and hold them to sell later. I just wish I could get in on this action lol
Edit: Ok.. Just found this which was from a similar promotion via R&D pack, There's a total of 2 on the exchange lol
Jem'Hadar Strike Ship (T6) :: 499m :: 499m
And those are the prices when their promos aren't running, which is what I said.
When the promotion is running, expect much higher prices than 120-150m. When the promotion is over, expect much higher prices than 120-150m. When the promotion is long over, expect much higher prices than 120-150m.
I am just saying, resale of rare items is almost always lower than acquisition cost while a fresh supply exists.
And those are the prices when their promos aren't running, which is what I said.
I think you're missing something so let's put it this way. If you knew you could sell these for 300m+ at some point after the event was done, would you let someone foolishly put them up for 100m? If I had the resources, I'd be buying those up as soon as they hit the exchange. That's what's going to happen with this ship.
That would seriously be less absurd than giving a ship weapon of mass destruction like this to players.
Every single ship we have is a weapon of mass destruction. Your full load anti-matter torpedoes have the inherent capabiltiy to devestate cities or planets. Not that your energy weapons couldn't do the trick, either.
Think that's still okay?
The Scimitar with its Thaloran weapon has been available since basically Legacy of Romulus.
And every warp-capable ship since the Kirk era at least seems to have a way to time travel.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
As I feared you've put the most anticipated ship (and the first promotional science ship since practically forever) into a doff pack. Meaning instead of 120-150 million EC such a ship would cost if it were the grand prize of a krenim lockbox II it will be 500+ million EC. Thank you, thank you very much indeed.
Mostly my Thoughts, when i saw that this Ship is not in the Year of Hell Lockbox, i allready had the bad feeling that they will do this, yet still i was hoping that they would put that Ship in, as a reward for the Last Mission of the Iconian Storyline, the GRAND FINALE with a GRAND PRIZE, so this Ship, but of course not, Cryptic would not be Cryptic if they would not Milk the Player where they know they can do so Perfectly, people where waiting for the Next Nice Science Ship (after DOZENS of Tactical and Engineering Ships were Smashed into the Game one after another), where also 100% Expecting the Last Summer Event Ship to be a Science Ship, since we allready had a Tactical and a Engineering Ship YET Science Player got Shafted - AGAIN - now, finaly, FINALY they bring a New Science Ship in but........like making fun of those who were Waiting, they put it in a DAMN Promo Pack? one of my Science Characters is badly in need of a Science Ship, this would be it, but i will so NOT Waste Hundreds of Euros to open one of those Gamling Boxes (way worse than Lockboxes) and i will NOT again Grind my "Back" off to Farm 500-600 Million ECs to get one of those from the Exchange, i was so excited to get one of this Ships, THANKS Cryptic for ruining it!
@pwlaughingtrendy , have a question and think as CM you'll be able to answer.
Going back more than a year now, the blogs for promotion ship events always use language that isn't clear.
Going by previous events, what actually happens in the promotion is:
"When you purchase a Delta Alliance Duty Officer Pack from the c-store during the promotion, you will receive an item called [Promotion! - Delta Alliance Duty Officer Pack], which contains a standard [Delta Alliance Duty Officer Pack] and also either 10 lobi or an Annorax Temporal Dreadnought....
The [Promotion! - Delta Alliance Duty Officer Pack] is only available from the c-store during this promotion, but it can be opened after the promotion ends and still award 10 Lobi or the Prize Ship."
I think that makes a lot more sense and is a lot clearer. And I believe it would work similar for R&D Boxes during Promo Weeks
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Promo ships usualy dip down to 350-400 at their lowest ever price, and cap right about 500m.
This is a brand new promo ship though, and lots of people want it, so it may start out pegged at 500, then dip down toward 400 at the middle/end of the promo.
Most promo ships have been the JHAS which is not a good baseline. I've read up further but the Voth Bulwark dipped down to 200k during its promo.
People don't rationally price these things by longterm value. Money now is worth more than money later. And while there is a time value of money utility argument there, there is also a behavioral econ observation informed by picoeconomics which pits present-me vs. future-me as economic actors with present-me holding the purse strings.
Put simpler, at some point, you will be able to sell a lockbox key for 4M and at some point for 5 or even 10M. Why do you sell for less?
Part is what you do with the EC now. Part is a value/preference question. Part may be an adjustment for the risk premium of product value increases, part is a risk premium of inflation. Part is present-person and future-person as economic rivals, the behavioral tendency towards quicker gratification.
Having read up... Eh. It might well be higher. And you guys are talking it higher right now. The forums are a bit science crazy.
But people will underprice its longterm value prospects at some point in this cycle and there's a good chance the early ones posted will be way over or under the equilibrium value during the promotion, which will be different than the value after the promotion.
As I feared you've put the most anticipated ship (and the first promotional science ship since practically forever) into a doff pack. Meaning instead of 120-150 million EC such a ship would cost if it were the grand prize of a krenim lockbox II it will be 500+ million EC. Thank you, thank you very much indeed.
Mostly my Thoughts, when i saw that this Ship is not in the Year of Hell Lockbox, i allready had the bad feeling that they will do this, yet still i was hoping that they would put that Ship in, as a reward for the Last Mission of the Iconian Storyline, the GRAND FINALE with a GRAND PRIZE, so this Ship, but of course not, Cryptic would not be Cryptic if they would not Milk the Player where they know they can do so Perfectly, people where waiting for the Next Nice Science Ship (after DOZENS of Tactical and Engineering Ships were Smashed into the Game one after another), where also 100% Expecting the Last Summer Event Ship to be a Science Ship, since we allready had a Tactical and a Engineering Ship YET Science Player got Shafted - AGAIN - now, finaly, FINALY they bring a New Science Ship in but........like making fun of those who were Waiting, they put it in a DAMN Promo Pack? one of my Science Characters is badly in need of a Science Ship, this would be it, but i will so NOT Waste Hundreds of Euros to open one of those Gamling Boxes (way worse than Lockboxes) and i will NOT again Grind my "Back" off to Farm 500-600 Million ECs to get one of those from the Exchange, i was so excited to get one of this Ships, THANKS Cryptic for ruining it!
There are some key items that they're omitting still. One would be a Temporal Core in place of Warp/Singularity core.
There should be at least six item/trait rewards left between the two missions and Cryptic has been getting flashier with those.
How in f**k sake can you add the ONLY DAMN SCIENCE SHIP IN AGES in a God damn gamble pack? F**k this s**t, add it to the freaking C-Store as a standard ship, not a gamble bulls**t. Keep your stupid ship, I know when to draw the line, lol!
The fact that they finally designed another science ship and stuck it in the worst possible place pretty much sucks.
I really hope the next lockbox is a Temporal Lockbox or a Mirror Lockbox and is science focused. All this cruiser/escort ship spam has gotten really annoying.
This is by design.
It's also not by coincidence that they finally got around to fixing the suicide console in last week's patch, making it into something players would actually use, then tying it in with this ship.
At least on the Fed Side of things - Delta Rising brought 3 Tier 6 Science Vessels to the game, all with access to Intel BO abilities which are still seen as the most desirable in general.
Sure, KDF and RR got nothing. The Tier 6 Winter Event ship was a Science Carrier.
I think it wasn't a bad start for Fed science at least.
The biggest benefit of lockbox and promo ships for Crpytic is that their rarity and unique aspects makes them highly desirable, even if the ship itself isn't actually superior. And the only reason I can think of why Science Vessels are generally unpopular and sell poorly is because they are not that powerful. And no matter how much I prefer Science Vessel gameplay, I can't shake the feeling this is true.
I don't think the Bulwark is seen as particular powerful, and the Shehshar is okay, but is it amazing? It seems other ships are still deemed more potent. But they were or are pricey ships on the Exchange...
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Well, i don't care about this ship but I appeciate that it's implementation caused the much needed fix for my Temporal Destroyer's Mannheim device.
So I'm not complaining.
Well, i don't care about this ship but I appeciate that it's implementation caused the much needed fix for my Temporal Destroyer's Mannheim device.
So I'm not complaining.
well, thats about the only Positive thing about this -_-
I am not the least bit happy they added this ship to a duty pack promo. If it was in the Cstore I wouldve bought it guaranteed. As it is, I'll just have to settle do without it, sigh.
I am not the least bit happy they added this ship to a duty pack promo. If it was in the Cstore I wouldve bought it guaranteed. As it is, I'll just have to settle do without it, sigh.
Would you have paid ten thousand or twenty thousand zen for it?
Doubtful, but even at that price at least I would be able to claim more than one. The most I would realistically pay is 5k
I am not the least bit happy they added this ship to a duty pack promo. If it was in the Cstore I wouldve bought it guaranteed. As it is, I'll just have to settle do without it, sigh.
Would you have paid ten thousand or twenty thousand zen for it?
Doubtful, but even at that price at least I would be able to claim more than one. The most I would realistically pay is 5k
As it stands with promo packs costing 275z and having a roughly 1/100 chance to win, on average, 27,500 z is the cost of each ship in the game.
Good games have rare and desirable things in them. Games with good f2p systems let you earn these in-game, like STO does.
Simply make ec profits and you can just buy what you want from the exchange.
Considering the rate i gain EC in the game, by the time i earned enough to get one they will probably be sold out or the game is closing down. But if Cryptic doesnt want my money, no loss for me. There is being reasonable, selling the ship for the standard 3k zen for a t6 ship, and then there is being greedy to expect people to spend 27.5k zen average per ship.
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I went and bought five of those packs last night and opened them. Had I known I would have waited to buy, 'che sera sera'. I have not gotten any Very Rare Doffs, but one Pack did give me two Rares. Some have had two Uncommons. Otherwise what they tell you is what you normally get - 4 Common, 2 Uncommon, and 1 Rare. Forget about the '...or better', because it usually doesn't. The other items are usually the Gamma Quadrant provisions, or Fleet Provisions. Again, little chance for the 4 Fleet Modules and getting the Starshiip Traits are probably close to the odds of getting the Krenim Science Dreadnought.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Speaking as a sci captain, thanks for making it easy to both keep money in my pocket and stay away from coming back to the ridiculous power creep and grind, Cryptic
And that way you're 100% guaranteed to spend around $300 on a SINGLE ship for a SINGLE character. "Solid gold"? For Cryptic's coffers, it sure is.
It may be 350m for a little while. After that, prices will start going up to 500m and after that there may not be any left on the exchange at all, however in that case you would probably be able to find the odd player who's stashed some away so they can sell it to you for 750m-1b EC via trade window.
EDIT: oops, I saw that $300 as 300m for some reason
"low demand" my foot. More like "I HATE SCIENCE".
That isn't how trading cards or draft systems typically work. Average cost of acquisition is always going to be higher than aftermarket price.
Even trading cards I have seen in WoW:TCG, Magic the Gathering, etc. that go for, say, $1000 have a higher cost of acquisition. The after market value should only match or exceed the cost of acquisition through chance after the supply dries up or maybe for the first day due to a novelty effect.
For example: Krenim Imperium Warship. Average cost of acquisition via lockbox: $225. Cost of acquisition via Master Keys->EC->Exchange: About $35. There are a variety of factors in play behind this. A big part of it is that the box opening is going to yield over one T6 ship worth of Lobi and other valuable items. But there are a variety of other microeconomic, picoeconomic, and behavioral factors that go into shaping this. You could infer a lot from examining these rates.
Now, sure, I think there are factors that could cause this ship to price differently, tugging in different ways. Unpopularity of Science, on the whole. Klingon/Romulan demand for Sci vessels. Specific interest in the canon surrounding the ship. Console/build synergy. Desire for the trait. Desire for DOffs/Lobi. Demand for Master Keys. Sales. Demand for any of the various currencies in the economy. The EC cap.
This ship isn't exactly a Jem'Hadar bug though. Might some go for high amounts? Sure. I'd say the bug is iconic and also pretty much the perfect escort design for STO's combat system and a source of carrier pets.
This ship isn't QUITE as iconic and doesn't so much benefit other ships (the way Bug carrier pets do) as it benefits FROM other ships. I also suspect the bug is a ship whales are most likely to have multiples of whereas this ship isn't likely to be sought in multiples.
My gut says 120-150M. Could be lower. I don't see it being much higher once demand tapers off until the promo ends.
As i got 16 toons, i'm investing only in account unlocks - so Zen Store and Events ships for me only...
After having watched lockbox day and taken part in it to a limited extent, I know it's certainly possible. Assuming of course you've got the resources to take advantage of it, something I don't have right now which is frustrating. Even so, I suspect I'll be able to make at least 50m from it. Looking at my current resources, if I went all in, I could probably make 200m. But, there's other things the event will affect that I could probably make some EC from and there will also be some longer term investment type things. So even with my limited resources, I could probably make the EC to buy one outright. Certainly not planning on it as I have other goals right now with the most important one getting myself more setup to be able to take advantage of these things down the road. Of course, this assumes that this promo (and ship prices etc) follows the "typical" trends.
The price of promo ships are not strongly based on functional utility value, but rather rarity and the cost to intentionally produce new ones.
Same here. I was hoping that the ship would have been a Mission Reward like the Ambassador and Ambassador Retrofit or like the Solanae Hybrid Ships.
It's no more expensive to acquire than a lockbox ship. Why are people guessing so high? Sci ships aren't THAT popular and it isn't THAT iconic, is it?
Couple things from my notes where I check on a few items every few days.
Temporal Science Vessel :: Wells :: 239m :: that was a few days back, it's now 479m
Ferengi D'Kora Marauder (Tier 5-U) :: 270m - 300m :: 274m
Suliban Cell Ship :: 210m - 240m :: 210m
The Krenim Imperium Warship hit almost 200m. I wasn't watching it constantly so it could have been higher at some point. It's around 100m now but it's also still being acquired from lockboxes.
I haven't looked at all lockbox ships and there are ones around the 100m price.
This one? How will one acquire it once the promo is done? As far as I know, once the promo is done, that's it. So it will end up being rare which will keep the price high. Of course, it will all depend on the drop rate but over time it's price will go up. Those that know that, will buy up the cheap ones and hold them to sell later. I just wish I could get in on this action lol
Edit: Ok.. Just found this which was from a similar promotion via R&D pack, There's a total of 2 on the exchange lol
Jem'Hadar Strike Ship (T6) :: 499m :: 499m
And those are the prices when their promos aren't running, which is what I said.
I think you're missing something so let's put it this way. If you knew you could sell these for 300m+ at some point after the event was done, would you let someone foolishly put them up for 100m? If I had the resources, I'd be buying those up as soon as they hit the exchange. That's what's going to happen with this ship.
Every single ship we have is a weapon of mass destruction. Your full load anti-matter torpedoes have the inherent capabiltiy to devestate cities or planets. Not that your energy weapons couldn't do the trick, either.
Think that's still okay?
The Scimitar with its Thaloran weapon has been available since basically Legacy of Romulus.
And every warp-capable ship since the Kirk era at least seems to have a way to time travel.
Mostly my Thoughts, when i saw that this Ship is not in the Year of Hell Lockbox, i allready had the bad feeling that they will do this, yet still i was hoping that they would put that Ship in, as a reward for the Last Mission of the Iconian Storyline, the GRAND FINALE with a GRAND PRIZE, so this Ship, but of course not, Cryptic would not be Cryptic if they would not Milk the Player where they know they can do so Perfectly, people where waiting for the Next Nice Science Ship (after DOZENS of Tactical and Engineering Ships were Smashed into the Game one after another), where also 100% Expecting the Last Summer Event Ship to be a Science Ship, since we allready had a Tactical and a Engineering Ship YET Science Player got Shafted - AGAIN - now, finaly, FINALY they bring a New Science Ship in but........like making fun of those who were Waiting, they put it in a DAMN Promo Pack? one of my Science Characters is badly in need of a Science Ship, this would be it, but i will so NOT Waste Hundreds of Euros to open one of those Gamling Boxes (way worse than Lockboxes) and i will NOT again Grind my "Back" off to Farm 500-600 Million ECs to get one of those from the Exchange, i was so excited to get one of this Ships, THANKS Cryptic for ruining it!
Most promo ships have been the JHAS which is not a good baseline. I've read up further but the Voth Bulwark dipped down to 200k during its promo.
People don't rationally price these things by longterm value. Money now is worth more than money later. And while there is a time value of money utility argument there, there is also a behavioral econ observation informed by picoeconomics which pits present-me vs. future-me as economic actors with present-me holding the purse strings.
Put simpler, at some point, you will be able to sell a lockbox key for 4M and at some point for 5 or even 10M. Why do you sell for less?
Part is what you do with the EC now. Part is a value/preference question. Part may be an adjustment for the risk premium of product value increases, part is a risk premium of inflation. Part is present-person and future-person as economic rivals, the behavioral tendency towards quicker gratification.
Having read up... Eh. It might well be higher. And you guys are talking it higher right now. The forums are a bit science crazy.
But people will underprice its longterm value prospects at some point in this cycle and there's a good chance the early ones posted will be way over or under the equilibrium value during the promotion, which will be different than the value after the promotion.
There are some key items that they're omitting still. One would be a Temporal Core in place of Warp/Singularity core.
There should be at least six item/trait rewards left between the two missions and Cryptic has been getting flashier with those.
This is by design.
It's also not by coincidence that they finally got around to fixing the suicide console in last week's patch, making it into something players would actually use, then tying it in with this ship.
Sure, KDF and RR got nothing. The Tier 6 Winter Event ship was a Science Carrier.
I think it wasn't a bad start for Fed science at least.
The biggest benefit of lockbox and promo ships for Crpytic is that their rarity and unique aspects makes them highly desirable, even if the ship itself isn't actually superior. And the only reason I can think of why Science Vessels are generally unpopular and sell poorly is because they are not that powerful. And no matter how much I prefer Science Vessel gameplay, I can't shake the feeling this is true.
I don't think the Bulwark is seen as particular powerful, and the Shehshar is okay, but is it amazing? It seems other ships are still deemed more potent. But they were or are pricey ships on the Exchange...
So I'm not complaining.
well, thats about the only Positive thing about this -_-
Doubtful, but even at that price at least I would be able to claim more than one. The most I would realistically pay is 5k
Considering the rate i gain EC in the game, by the time i earned enough to get one they will probably be sold out or the game is closing down. But if Cryptic doesnt want my money, no loss for me. There is being reasonable, selling the ship for the standard 3k zen for a t6 ship, and then there is being greedy to expect people to spend 27.5k zen average per ship.