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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Yeah, at moments like this, I am glad I don't collect ships. :p
    I now feel the need to see what it would look like with Borg stuff all over it.... or maybe an Aegis shield....
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  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,650 Arc User
    The way it reads, opening this Doff pack during the promotion period guarantees either 10 Lobi or the Krenim Dreadnaught. With which ratio, I do wonder? I'm sure 50/50 isn't happening.

    Of course, there is the question of what 10 Lobi can get you in the Lobi Store vs. the Krenim Dreadnaught...
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  • miguelrodriguezcmiguelrodriguezc Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Meh..
    At least I'm happy I didn't open a delta doff pack yet, I was planning to buy one or two just to give some species diversity to my doff roster. If by any chance hell freezes over and I get the ship against all probabilities, you'll notice my smile from here to the gamma quadrant.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Meh..
    At least I'm happy I didn't open a delta doff pack yet, I was planning to buy one or two just to give some species diversity to my doff roster. If by any chance hell freezes over and I get the ship against all probabilities, you'll notice my smile from here to the gamma quadrant.
    Ones purchased outside of the Event do not count, those sold during have a 'Promotion' wrapper around it. Open the Promotion you get either 10 Lobi, or the Krenim Science Dreadnought (very very very - did I day very - unlikely), and the Doff Pack, which is unopened. Those special Promotion Doff Packs will retain their 'specialness' after the Event and if opened see previous.

    Any packs bought from the C-Store before, or after the Event will NOT have that wrapper and therefore will not be eligible to possibly win the super duper grand prize.

    I cannot begin to speculate on the Exchange price for this Promotion Pack when it hits. In the past the Promotion Packs used to award the Shesar or JHSS or JHAS) usually settled in at 9 - 12 Million E (though now they are running between 12 and 24 Million EC). But in that case the Romulan Survivor Doff Pack sold for around 3.5 Million EC and still do. This time the base Delta Alliance Doff Pack has been going for 11.5 - 15 Million EC. The remote chance for one of the three Starship Traits has caused a higher base price.

    Also lately, they had been using the R&D Packs for the special event 'distributions' so you will find most of the Promotion Packs on the Exchange to be of this type, though there are some of the Romulan Survivor Doff Packs posted. This Promotion is a throwback in its use of a Doff Pack, but then again, it is one of the newest things released, so needs some hawking, I guess.
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  • miguelrodriguezcmiguelrodriguezc Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    > @ltminns said:
    > miguelrodriguezc wrote: »
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    > Meh..
    > At least I'm happy I didn't open a delta doff pack yet, I was planning to buy one or two just to give some species diversity to my doff roster. If by any chance hell freezes over and I get the ship against all probabilities, you'll notice my smile from here to the gamma quadrant.
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    > Ones purchased outside of the Event do not count I believe those sold during have a 'Promotion' wrapper around it. Open the Promotion you get either 10 Lobi, or the Krenim Science Dreadnought (very very very - did I day very - unlikely), and the Doff Pack, which is unopened. Those special Promotion Doff Packs will retain their 'specialness' after the Event and if opened see previous.
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    > Any packs bought from the C-Store now before, or after the Event will NOT have that wrapper and therefore will not be eligible to possibly win the super duper grand prize.
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    I know. I probably mixed up the verbs in what I wrote before. I haven't bought the packs yet, I still have my zen. When the promo starts, I'll buy them, open them and be mad at myself for hoping I could be the one lucky guy which won the jackpot on the first dabo wheel spin.
    Anyways, I can't be mad at Cryptic, I realize online games run on servers and servers cost money to run.


    PS: New guy in the block here, can anybody tell me why I can't get the quoted text right? I'd assume is just a matter of hitting the "Quote" link, but no dice (and it was wrong even if I did not trim the text)
  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    zeatrex wrote: »
    How in f**k sake can you add the ONLY DAMN SCIENCE SHIP IN AGES in a God damn gamble pack? F**k this s**t, add it to the freaking C-Store as a standard ship, not a gamble bulls**t. Keep your stupid ship, I know when to draw the line, lol!

    The fact that they finally designed another science ship and stuck it in the worst possible place pretty much sucks.

    I really hope the next lockbox is a Temporal Lockbox or a Mirror Lockbox and is science focused. All this cruiser/escort ship spam has gotten really annoying.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Note sure about the quoting. I hit the button and the text box at the bottom of the screen fills in with it. Unfortunately, it has a tendency to bring along the quotes that the post your quoting had in it. I just edit it all out, leaving the first quoted person and deleting all the rest.

    I went and bought five of those packs last night and opened them. Had I known I would have waited to buy, 'che sera sera'. I have not gotten any Very Rare Doffs, but one Pack did give me two Rares. Some have had two Uncommons. Otherwise what they tell you is what you normally get - 4 Common, 2 Uncommon, and 1 Rare. Forget about the '...or better', because it usually doesn't. The other items are usually the Gamma Quadrant provisions, or Fleet Provisions. Again, little chance for the 4 Fleet Modules and getting the Starshiip Traits are probably close to the odds of getting the Krenim Science Dreadnought.
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    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • skonnskonn Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    Hey new folks, if this is your first promo pack, welcome to STO, are ya enjoying it? It's pretty much the best Star Trek game out there.
    Make that the only active game out there, because story and feel wise, there have been much better examples.

    Speaking as a sci captain, thanks for making it easy to both keep money in my pocket and stay away from coming back to the ridiculous power creep and grind, Cryptic :D
  • skonnskonn Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    You are guaranteed to get it from the exchange for a certain amount of ec dude. 100% guaranteed.

    It's listed on the exchange, you double click, a sum of ec is transferred from your bank to the sellers bank, the ship is transferred from the exchange to your inventory.

    Solid gold, 100% guarantee.

    And that way you're 100% guaranteed to spend around $300 on a SINGLE ship for a SINGLE character. "Solid gold"? For Cryptic's coffers, it sure is.
  • megacharge07megacharge07 Member Posts: 476 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    skonn wrote: »
    You are guaranteed to get it from the exchange for a certain amount of ec dude. 100% guaranteed.

    It's listed on the exchange, you double click, a sum of ec is transferred from your bank to the sellers bank, the ship is transferred from the exchange to your inventory.

    Solid gold, 100% guarantee.

    And that way you're 100% guaranteed to spend around $300 on a SINGLE ship for a SINGLE character. "Solid gold"? For Cryptic's coffers, it sure is.

    It may be 350m for a little while. After that, prices will start going up to 500m and after that there may not be any left on the exchange at all, however in that case you would probably be able to find the odd player who's stashed some away so they can sell it to you for 750m-1b EC via trade window. ;)

    EDIT: oops, I saw that $300 as 300m for some reason :|
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  • burstdragon323burstdragon323 Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    The only thing about this that ticks me off is that the trait would be great for any science captain, but because of one man's hate, it is locked behind a $300-$600 paywall.

    "low demand" my foot. More like "I HATE SCIENCE".
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    skonn wrote: »
    You are guaranteed to get it from the exchange for a certain amount of ec dude. 100% guaranteed.

    It's listed on the exchange, you double click, a sum of ec is transferred from your bank to the sellers bank, the ship is transferred from the exchange to your inventory.

    Solid gold, 100% guarantee.

    And that way you're 100% guaranteed to spend around $300 on a SINGLE ship for a SINGLE character. "Solid gold"? For Cryptic's coffers, it sure is.

    That isn't how trading cards or draft systems typically work. Average cost of acquisition is always going to be higher than aftermarket price.

    Even trading cards I have seen in WoW:TCG, Magic the Gathering, etc. that go for, say, $1000 have a higher cost of acquisition. The after market value should only match or exceed the cost of acquisition through chance after the supply dries up or maybe for the first day due to a novelty effect.

    For example: Krenim Imperium Warship. Average cost of acquisition via lockbox: $225. Cost of acquisition via Master Keys->EC->Exchange: About $35. There are a variety of factors in play behind this. A big part of it is that the box opening is going to yield over one T6 ship worth of Lobi and other valuable items. But there are a variety of other microeconomic, picoeconomic, and behavioral factors that go into shaping this. You could infer a lot from examining these rates.

    Now, sure, I think there are factors that could cause this ship to price differently, tugging in different ways. Unpopularity of Science, on the whole. Klingon/Romulan demand for Sci vessels. Specific interest in the canon surrounding the ship. Console/build synergy. Desire for the trait. Desire for DOffs/Lobi. Demand for Master Keys. Sales. Demand for any of the various currencies in the economy. The EC cap.

    This ship isn't exactly a Jem'Hadar bug though. Might some go for high amounts? Sure. I'd say the bug is iconic and also pretty much the perfect escort design for STO's combat system and a source of carrier pets.

    This ship isn't QUITE as iconic and doesn't so much benefit other ships (the way Bug carrier pets do) as it benefits FROM other ships. I also suspect the bug is a ship whales are most likely to have multiples of whereas this ship isn't likely to be sought in multiples.

    My gut says 120-150M. Could be lower. I don't see it being much higher once demand tapers off until the promo ends.
  • saber1973asaber1973a Member Posts: 1,225 Arc User
    Nice ship, but the chance to get it is very low....
    As i got 16 toons, i'm investing only in account unlocks - so Zen Store and Events ships for me only... :p
  • tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    My little inquisition was that @repetitiveepic said "You can get space rich from just this one event, and easily afford the omg science dreadnought omg " and I question that claim. The ship stats may end up to be junk, so its price won't be that high. But assuming it costs at least 300MM like other promotional ships, I don't see how this one event could provide anyone with all the EC they need to buy it outright

    After having watched lockbox day and taken part in it to a limited extent, I know it's certainly possible. Assuming of course you've got the resources to take advantage of it, something I don't have right now which is frustrating. Even so, I suspect I'll be able to make at least 50m from it. Looking at my current resources, if I went all in, I could probably make 200m. But, there's other things the event will affect that I could probably make some EC from and there will also be some longer term investment type things. So even with my limited resources, I could probably make the EC to buy one outright. Certainly not planning on it as I have other goals right now with the most important one getting myself more setup to be able to take advantage of these things down the road. Of course, this assumes that this promo (and ship prices etc) follows the "typical" trends.
  • tacticalrooktacticalrook Member Posts: 810 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    My gut says 120-150M. Could be lower. I don't see it being much higher once demand tapers off until the promo ends.
    Rest assured, if this new ship shows up in the exchange anywhere near the outrageously low range of 120-150m, barring any drop rate shennanigans, they will not be there for long. Many folks have standing purchase orders for all promo ships, at a much higher price than 120-150m.

    The price of promo ships are not strongly based on functional utility value, but rather rarity and the cost to intentionally produce new ones.
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  • hunterguyver4hunterguyver4 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    sunfrancks wrote: »

    Indeed...

    I was kind of hoping this ship would have been an reward for doing the Iconian (still looking for it by the way) war finale.

    Oh well, that brief glimmer of hope is dashed.....

    Same here. I was hoping that the ship would have been a Mission Reward like the Ambassador and Ambassador Retrofit or like the Solanae Hybrid Ships. :frowning:
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    My gut says 120-150M. Could be lower. I don't see it being much higher once demand tapers off until the promo ends.
    Rest assured, if this new ship shows up in the exchange anywhere near the outrageously low range of 120-150m, barring any drop rate shennanigans, they will not be there for long. Many folks have standing purchase orders for all promo ships, at a much higher price than 120-150m.

    The price of promo ships are not strongly based on functional utility value, but rather rarity and the cost to intentionally produce new ones.

    It's no more expensive to acquire than a lockbox ship. Why are people guessing so high? Sci ships aren't THAT popular and it isn't THAT iconic, is it?
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    Same acquisition cost as a lockbox ship. Lockbox ships sell for around 100M. I'm not sure I see the difference here. There are going to be a TON of these after the first 48 hours.
  • tacticalrooktacticalrook Member Posts: 810 Arc User
    I'd recommend keeping a close eye on the exchange during the promotion, then. Perhaps that will help persuade you.
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  • tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Same acquisition cost as a lockbox ship. Lockbox ships sell for around 100M. I'm not sure I see the difference here. There are going to be a TON of these after the first 48 hours.

    Couple things from my notes where I check on a few items every few days.

    Temporal Science Vessel :: Wells :: 239m :: that was a few days back, it's now 479m

    Ferengi D'Kora Marauder (Tier 5-U) :: 270m - 300m :: 274m

    Suliban Cell Ship :: 210m - 240m :: 210m

    The Krenim Imperium Warship hit almost 200m. I wasn't watching it constantly so it could have been higher at some point. It's around 100m now but it's also still being acquired from lockboxes.

    I haven't looked at all lockbox ships and there are ones around the 100m price.

    This one? How will one acquire it once the promo is done? As far as I know, once the promo is done, that's it. So it will end up being rare which will keep the price high. Of course, it will all depend on the drop rate but over time it's price will go up. Those that know that, will buy up the cheap ones and hold them to sell later. I just wish I could get in on this action lol

    Edit: Ok.. Just found this which was from a similar promotion via R&D pack, There's a total of 2 on the exchange lol

    Jem'Hadar Strike Ship (T6) :: 499m :: 499m
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    I am just saying, resale of rare items is almost always lower than acquisition cost while a fresh supply exists.
    tempus64 wrote: »
    Same acquisition cost as a lockbox ship. Lockbox ships sell for around 100M. I'm not sure I see the difference here. There are going to be a TON of these after the first 48 hours.

    Couple things from my notes where I check on a few items every few days.

    Temporal Science Vessel :: Wells :: 239m :: that was a few days back, it's now 479m

    Ferengi D'Kora Marauder (Tier 5-U) :: 270m - 300m :: 274m

    Suliban Cell Ship :: 210m - 240m :: 210m

    The Krenim Imperium Warship hit almost 200m. I wasn't watching it constantly so it could have been higher at some point. It's around 100m now but it's also still being acquired from lockboxes.

    I haven't looked at all lockbox ships and there are ones around the 100m price.

    This one? How will one acquire it once the promo is done? As far as I know, once the promo is done, that's it. So it will end up being rare which will keep the price high. Of course, it will all depend on the drop rate but over time it's price will go up. Those that know that, will buy up the cheap ones and hold them to sell later. I just wish I could get in on this action lol

    Edit: Ok.. Just found this which was from a similar promotion via R&D pack, There's a total of 2 on the exchange lol

    Jem'Hadar Strike Ship (T6) :: 499m :: 499m

    And those are the prices when their promos aren't running, which is what I said.
  • tacticalrooktacticalrook Member Posts: 810 Arc User
    When the promotion is running, expect much higher prices than 120-150m. When the promotion is over, expect much higher prices than 120-150m. When the promotion is long over, expect much higher prices than 120-150m.
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  • tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    I am just saying, resale of rare items is almost always lower than acquisition cost while a fresh supply exists.

    And those are the prices when their promos aren't running, which is what I said.

    I think you're missing something so let's put it this way. If you knew you could sell these for 300m+ at some point after the event was done, would you let someone foolishly put them up for 100m? If I had the resources, I'd be buying those up as soon as they hit the exchange. That's what's going to happen with this ship.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    szerontzur wrote: »
    So, when is the Borg Cube Promo then?

    That would seriously be less absurd than giving a ship weapon of mass destruction like this to players.

    Every single ship we have is a weapon of mass destruction. Your full load anti-matter torpedoes have the inherent capabiltiy to devestate cities or planets. Not that your energy weapons couldn't do the trick, either.

    Think that's still okay?
    The Scimitar with its Thaloran weapon has been available since basically Legacy of Romulus.



    And every warp-capable ship since the Kirk era at least seems to have a way to time travel.
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  • highlandrisehighlandrise Member Posts: 354 Arc User
    szim wrote: »
    As I feared you've put the most anticipated ship (and the first promotional science ship since practically forever) into a doff pack. Meaning instead of 120-150 million EC such a ship would cost if it were the grand prize of a krenim lockbox II it will be 500+ million EC. Thank you, thank you very much indeed. :(

    Mostly my Thoughts, when i saw that this Ship is not in the Year of Hell Lockbox, i allready had the bad feeling that they will do this, yet still i was hoping that they would put that Ship in, as a reward for the Last Mission of the Iconian Storyline, the GRAND FINALE with a GRAND PRIZE, so this Ship, but of course not, Cryptic would not be Cryptic if they would not Milk the Player where they know they can do so Perfectly, people where waiting for the Next Nice Science Ship (after DOZENS of Tactical and Engineering Ships were Smashed into the Game one after another), where also 100% Expecting the Last Summer Event Ship to be a Science Ship, since we allready had a Tactical and a Engineering Ship YET Science Player got Shafted - AGAIN - now, finaly, FINALY they bring a New Science Ship in but........like making fun of those who were Waiting, they put it in a DAMN Promo Pack? one of my Science Characters is badly in need of a Science Ship, this would be it, but i will so NOT Waste Hundreds of Euros to open one of those Gamling Boxes (way worse than Lockboxes) and i will NOT again Grind my "Back" off to Farm 500-600 Million ECs to get one of those from the Exchange, i was so excited to get one of this Ships, THANKS Cryptic for ruining it!

  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    @pwlaughingtrendy , have a question and think as CM you'll be able to answer.

    Going back more than a year now, the blogs for promotion ship events always use language that isn't clear.

    Going by previous events, what actually happens in the promotion is:

    "When you purchase a Delta Alliance Duty Officer Pack from the c-store during the promotion, you will receive an item called [Promotion! - Delta Alliance Duty Officer Pack], which contains a standard [Delta Alliance Duty Officer Pack] and also either 10 lobi or an Annorax Temporal Dreadnought....

    The [Promotion! - Delta Alliance Duty Officer Pack] is only available from the c-store during this promotion, but it can be opened after the promotion ends and still award 10 Lobi or the Prize Ship."

    I think that makes a lot more sense and is a lot clearer. And I believe it would work similar for R&D Boxes during Promo Weeks
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    Promo ships usualy dip down to 350-400 at their lowest ever price, and cap right about 500m.

    This is a brand new promo ship though, and lots of people want it, so it may start out pegged at 500, then dip down toward 400 at the middle/end of the promo.

    Most promo ships have been the JHAS which is not a good baseline. I've read up further but the Voth Bulwark dipped down to 200k during its promo.

    People don't rationally price these things by longterm value. Money now is worth more than money later. And while there is a time value of money utility argument there, there is also a behavioral econ observation informed by picoeconomics which pits present-me vs. future-me as economic actors with present-me holding the purse strings.

    Put simpler, at some point, you will be able to sell a lockbox key for 4M and at some point for 5 or even 10M. Why do you sell for less?

    Part is what you do with the EC now. Part is a value/preference question. Part may be an adjustment for the risk premium of product value increases, part is a risk premium of inflation. Part is present-person and future-person as economic rivals, the behavioral tendency towards quicker gratification.

    Having read up... Eh. It might well be higher. And you guys are talking it higher right now. The forums are a bit science crazy.

    But people will underprice its longterm value prospects at some point in this cycle and there's a good chance the early ones posted will be way over or under the equilibrium value during the promotion, which will be different than the value after the promotion.
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