Another T6 ship for the Federation? That makes it six for the Federation and only two for either the KDF or Rom.
Another T6 Science Vessel at that? That makes three for the Federation and only... wait... where were the KDF and Rom Science Vessels at T6?
I could provide you with the aft end of a Terran rodent... but really, I'm not really going to at this stage.
Let's be honest here... the Delta Rising promo wallpapers all showed the thing, and every C-Store Federation Science Vessel at T5 other than the Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit recently received a buff. The only real surprises are that it wasn't included in the Ops Pack and that it took this long to finally show up. Wake me when you make the missing Intel ships for the KDF or Rom, or maybe a Science Vessel for either. Until then...
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
You're now selling a T6 variant of an existing ship. So you're basically selling the same ship YET AGAIN, just with better stats...
What's the point of upgrading the T5 version to T5U then...?
How can we be sure you won't do the same thing with other ships? Why should we spend money to upgrade our ships to terribly overpriced T5U if we could get a proper T6 sometime in the future?
Also, yet again FEDs are being favored... Now they've got SIX unique T6 vessels, all with their own useful Starship Mastery Traits, while the KDF and ROM only get TWO ships with only somewhat useful/useless Traits. Not to mention, these factions are still to get a proper Science Vessel whereas the FEDs got three T6 already...
And something tells me we're not going to see another KDF/ROM T6 ship for a long time...
I'm really starting to hate the business model and P2W route STO has taken recently...
If this works like the other ships, owning this and having upgraded the T5 to T5U might make this already eligible for T6U when those launch early next year.
Upgrading a non-Fleet T5 ship also lets you upgrade the Ft5 to FT5U without an additional token.
Cool looking ship but hay hear's an idea ... why not a Klingon T6 science ship :eek: Oh but the Federation need one ... but wait they already have two ....
I was really hoping for and looking forward to a T6 intrepid. Something worth while to get me out of my tried and tested and tanked and DPS'd frenzy of a Wells Sci ship! BUT... Sadly, this is not it! Go back to the drawing board with those stats and seating etc. and then we'll talk.
Your DISCLAIMER at the end of the blog said that all stats etc. are subject to change etc. Well, so is my opinion! Do something to make me change it! I think everyone here have given you reason to change yours, Cryptic!
Thank the gods that I have no interest in the ship stat-wise. But it's certainly a troublesome precedent.... or rather continuation.... for reselling ships.
Thank the gods that I have no interest in the ship stat-wise. But it's certainly a troublesome precedent.... or rather continuation.... for reselling ships.
And this is why I was so vocal about my opposition to the reselling of the Patrol Escort.
But hey, the people have spoken and there's enough of them that don't mind rebuying their ship. So we'll get more of it.
really, I mean really.. cryptic, there is no end to your greed, and your sneakiness is there..
so I purchased the t5 u upgrade for my intrepid already.. your seriously making a better version available about a month after you charged us for this already..
I mean really, im starting to think that there is some mental instability at cryptic. there is no way a rational person looks at this situation and thinks its a good idea.. a little more transparency about the intrepid getting a t6 before we all bought the upgrade would have been the respectfull thing to do.
I for one was about to buy a ship, but now ill hold on to my money.. im sick of being cheated.
had I known it was gonna be a t6 less than a month later, I would have waited and bought that. what a waste of money...
I hate when people give announcements like this the dignity of the designation, "cash grab".
To Trendy or whomever: Because it's a TRIBBLE poor cash grab. If you want instaprofit, you obviously just release the bloody Intrepid bridge you've been showing off and implicitly promising everyone since DR was announced. Many more people will pay for a bridge, but not for a pack that literally steals $7.00 from them. A T6 Intrpeid is pointless, redundant, and insulting to people who just paid you for an Intrepid T5-U. Surely you recognize this fact? Please show us that you are indeed rational people. Because this is how you loose customers and alienate potentials. It is PATENTLY unfair, and your initial announcement of the Intrepid interiors way back when clearly mislead the community, which expects bridges to be a standard micro-commodity by your own C-Store categories. This is confusing and frustrating to all, and unjust to those who purchased a T5-U Intrepid without a hint of your near-future release plans. This is unethical and thus actually hurts your business.
The more you reduce micro-transactions and increase macro-transactions on a F2P, the less $ you make. The more you mislead and essentially ripoff your customers, the less $ you make. Simple as that.
Can someone explain how this ship is better than a T5U Fleet intrepid?
It has an Intel Boff seat and the 13th Boff ability - and the potential for a new 3-piece Set. That is really the only difference. Other then that it is within a percent or two of a T5U version.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Will we see a Defiant and Galaxy revamp as well sometime in the semi near future?
We already had a galaxy revamp, and upgrades. When the saucer sep/antimatter spread console set was redone, the intrepid got nothing. Now its getting a T6 version. All that's left to do is something for the defiant to bring it into line with the other 2.
Finally! I was hoping they'd put the Aeroshuttle in at some point. They misspelled it in the blog post, though, It's the "Aeroshuttle", not the "Aero Shuttle Bay". Where'd they get that?
Just noticed.. no hangar for delta flyer pets? Delta flyer and Intrepid belong to each other.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
My new philosophy for ship buying is that each new Ship I buy must come with a new Mission to play it through. No Mission, no purchase.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Not buying anymore Fed ships till they see some love.
Secondly..
Where are secondary deflectors for other science ships? The mechanics obviously work? Money making angle being worked here? Just so you know.. that secondary deflector is not the make or break of us buying the this or the Dauntless. The Vesta still outclasses the newer science ships IMO
Can someone explain how this ship is better than a T5U Fleet intrepid?
it has access to new consoles, it has an intelligence officer slot, it has access to a universal boff
its also the first canon hero ship to be t6, and it sounds like its gonna be the only way to get the bridge, so even if you want to run a t5u and want the bridge, your still most likely need to buy the bundle anyways.
but that lt universal makes it leaps and bounds better than the t5u. id kill for that universal on mine.. (especially as a tac officer).
oh and access to a secondary deflector that's huge. as it will effect alpha strike tychens and grav well
it is overall a better ship.. don't play semantics here, cryptic even said that t6 ships are slightly better than t5u ships..
and the big problem isn't so much that its better or worse, but that they took the very unethical approach, and conned people into buying the upgrade, and upgrade that most people would not have purchased had they had access to a t6 ship..
and not only that, we are buying this ship for like the 5th time now.. and not only that, but its three to buy.. lol.. so its more like the 5th, 6th and 7th time your buying it. cryptic really has no shame.. very unethical if you ask me
Can someone explain how this ship is better than a T5U Fleet intrepid?
What the new T6 Intrepid will have over the T5U Fleet Intrepid:
13 BOFF slots vs 12 of T5u
The new T6 Intrepid will have less Consoles than a T5U Fleet Intrepid. However, the T6 one will already pack 5 SCI Console Slots, but it has 2 TAC Console Slots. When the T6 Fleet Intrepid comes out, I expect the 3rd TAC Console slot to return.
Secondary Deflector Slot while the only ships with the slot are DSDs, Dauntless, and the T6 Intrepid. Will more SCI ships get retroactively fitted with these slots? Your guess is as good as mine. It's almost been a year since the first ships to have it, the DSDs, were introduced.
T6 Starship Mastery Trait. Technically, they can be used anywhere after you've done the mastery for the appropriate T6 ship. But make no mistake, you need the T6 ship first.
Limited access to Intel abilities with a Lt ENG/Intel Hybrid station. This has some meaningful effects on performance. For example: We all know how critical a role Aux Power has for most Science abilities. With OSS 1 and/or 2, you take yourself way over the caps. Right now without Intel abilities, you can take your Aux Power cap to 135, 140 even. What if you have the ability to surge that power temporarily to, say, 165?
In addition to the Lt ENG/Intel Hybrid station, the T6 Intrepid sports a Universal Lt station.
You know, I can understand SOME of the ire this is generating, but definitely don't think it deserves all it is receiving.
Sure, we all saw it coming. We KNEW it was going to happen. IMO the stats aren't worth the exhorbitant price (which should be the main source of all the ire IMO), but overall to each their own. I won't buy this. If others do, so be it. It's not much better than its predecessor. Intel seating really isn't the bees knees, and isn't anything to get worked up over. Especially not a single LT which happens to be the only ENG seat on the ship.
Meanwhile, I think the entire premise of a science ship needs revisiting. Why are they handicapped artificially with this weak hull, strong shields, weak weapons nonsense? The trinity is long dead. This is NOT a healer class. In fact, no sci ship could survive this game or even finish the storyline missions as a pure dedicated healer. You need FIREPOWER to succeed in this game.
Since the sci powers got mega-gimped a long long while back, sci ships lack in one major obviously blaring area: a 3/3 weapons setup BLOWS.
The Vestas bypass this a little by having a hangar. Carriers with a strong sci leaning also have hangar pets to make up for lack of firepower. Meanwhile most non-pet sci ships languish in a low-damage hell where they suffer (especially NOW!) against NPCs that take ages to kill.
We are seeing some MINOR concessions to sci damage output, but only in very limited areas (crit on exotic damage) and we're still not getting any 4/3 or even 4/4 weapons layouts on ships. I mean, DAMN, man! This is a T-6 Intrepid. The LEAST you could have done was give it a 4/3 layout!
Regardless, it seems to me the best weapons layouts are NOT on sci ships. SCIs do better in cruisers with sci seating or sci-oriented escorts, rather than sci ships. Mirror Somraw? Mirror Heavy Cruiser? Fleet Ambassador? Fleet Kamarag? Hmmm... notice anything? None of these are sci ships.
Let's see a real revamping of sci ships. Let's add some more weapons slots to them. Maybe then they'll be worth a damn.
Oh, and in the meantime, how about a KDF sci ship above lvl40? There are literally none in existence. You have to use cross faction universal ships or be obsolete.
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Huh? Wah?
Another T6 ship for the Federation? That makes it six for the Federation and only two for either the KDF or Rom.
Another T6 Science Vessel at that? That makes three for the Federation and only... wait... where were the KDF and Rom Science Vessels at T6?
I could provide you with the aft end of a Terran rodent... but really, I'm not really going to at this stage.
Let's be honest here... the Delta Rising promo wallpapers all showed the thing, and every C-Store Federation Science Vessel at T5 other than the Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit recently received a buff. The only real surprises are that it wasn't included in the Ops Pack and that it took this long to finally show up. Wake me when you make the missing Intel ships for the KDF or Rom, or maybe a Science Vessel for either. Until then...
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If this works like the other ships, owning this and having upgraded the T5 to T5U might make this already eligible for T6U when those launch early next year.
Upgrading a non-Fleet T5 ship also lets you upgrade the Ft5 to FT5U without an additional token.
Maybe the same is true here?
Plus whenever I look at anything Voyager I see so much wasted potential it makes me want to scream.
Short version: Looks like another Duntless, not as much DPS potential as the Vesta and the Vesta already has more than enough sci power.
Vesta's still the superior choice.
Your DISCLAIMER at the end of the blog said that all stats etc. are subject to change etc. Well, so is my opinion! Do something to make me change it! I think everyone here have given you reason to change yours, Cryptic!
Nuff said!
If it's not retroactively dumped into the Op pack, I'll pick myself up one with the interiors.
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I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
And this is why I was so vocal about my opposition to the reselling of the Patrol Escort.
But hey, the people have spoken and there's enough of them that don't mind rebuying their ship. So we'll get more of it.
so I purchased the t5 u upgrade for my intrepid already.. your seriously making a better version available about a month after you charged us for this already..
I mean really, im starting to think that there is some mental instability at cryptic. there is no way a rational person looks at this situation and thinks its a good idea.. a little more transparency about the intrepid getting a t6 before we all bought the upgrade would have been the respectfull thing to do.
I for one was about to buy a ship, but now ill hold on to my money.. im sick of being cheated.
had I known it was gonna be a t6 less than a month later, I would have waited and bought that. what a waste of money...
I hate when people give announcements like this the dignity of the designation, "cash grab".
To Trendy or whomever: Because it's a TRIBBLE poor cash grab. If you want instaprofit, you obviously just release the bloody Intrepid bridge you've been showing off and implicitly promising everyone since DR was announced. Many more people will pay for a bridge, but not for a pack that literally steals $7.00 from them. A T6 Intrpeid is pointless, redundant, and insulting to people who just paid you for an Intrepid T5-U. Surely you recognize this fact? Please show us that you are indeed rational people. Because this is how you loose customers and alienate potentials. It is PATENTLY unfair, and your initial announcement of the Intrepid interiors way back when clearly mislead the community, which expects bridges to be a standard micro-commodity by your own C-Store categories. This is confusing and frustrating to all, and unjust to those who purchased a T5-U Intrepid without a hint of your near-future release plans. This is unethical and thus actually hurts your business.
The more you reduce micro-transactions and increase macro-transactions on a F2P, the less $ you make. The more you mislead and essentially ripoff your customers, the less $ you make. Simple as that.
Because...ummm...it costs a lot and Cryptic would really like your money ? That's all I've got.... :P
We already had a galaxy revamp, and upgrades. When the saucer sep/antimatter spread console set was redone, the intrepid got nothing. Now its getting a T6 version. All that's left to do is something for the defiant to bring it into line with the other 2.
Where are the other T6 ships for Roms and KDF
5 > 2 now
Not buying anymore Fed ships till they see some love.
Secondly..
Where are secondary deflectors for other science ships? The mechanics obviously work? Money making angle being worked here? Just so you know.. that secondary deflector is not the make or break of us buying the this or the Dauntless. The Vesta still outclasses the newer science ships IMO
And then buy the new T6 Defiant, there is no need to hold back ! Keep the wallet open, Cryptics capacity to accept your money is endless !
it has access to new consoles, it has an intelligence officer slot, it has access to a universal boff
its also the first canon hero ship to be t6, and it sounds like its gonna be the only way to get the bridge, so even if you want to run a t5u and want the bridge, your still most likely need to buy the bundle anyways.
but that lt universal makes it leaps and bounds better than the t5u. id kill for that universal on mine.. (especially as a tac officer).
oh and access to a secondary deflector that's huge. as it will effect alpha strike tychens and grav well
it is overall a better ship.. don't play semantics here, cryptic even said that t6 ships are slightly better than t5u ships..
and the big problem isn't so much that its better or worse, but that they took the very unethical approach, and conned people into buying the upgrade, and upgrade that most people would not have purchased had they had access to a t6 ship..
and not only that, we are buying this ship for like the 5th time now.. and not only that, but its three to buy.. lol.. so its more like the 5th, 6th and 7th time your buying it. cryptic really has no shame.. very unethical if you ask me
What the new T6 Intrepid will have over the T5U Fleet Intrepid:
13 BOFF slots vs 12 of T5u
The new T6 Intrepid will have less Consoles than a T5U Fleet Intrepid. However, the T6 one will already pack 5 SCI Console Slots, but it has 2 TAC Console Slots. When the T6 Fleet Intrepid comes out, I expect the 3rd TAC Console slot to return.
Secondary Deflector Slot while the only ships with the slot are DSDs, Dauntless, and the T6 Intrepid. Will more SCI ships get retroactively fitted with these slots? Your guess is as good as mine. It's almost been a year since the first ships to have it, the DSDs, were introduced.
T6 Starship Mastery Trait. Technically, they can be used anywhere after you've done the mastery for the appropriate T6 ship. But make no mistake, you need the T6 ship first.
Limited access to Intel abilities with a Lt ENG/Intel Hybrid station. This has some meaningful effects on performance. For example: We all know how critical a role Aux Power has for most Science abilities. With OSS 1 and/or 2, you take yourself way over the caps. Right now without Intel abilities, you can take your Aux Power cap to 135, 140 even. What if you have the ability to surge that power temporarily to, say, 165?
In addition to the Lt ENG/Intel Hybrid station, the T6 Intrepid sports a Universal Lt station.
It's not.
If you switch:
You're lose 1 Tac console.
You lose 0.13 Shield mod.
Your Eng slot is substituted with an Eng/Int hybrid.
Your Ens Sci is substituted with a Lt. Universal.
You gain 2k hull
You get a console that can be equipped on either ship.
You gain access to a Starship Mastery Trait.
You get two ship interiors.
This will presumably help you get a Fleet T6 Long Range Science Vessel early next year.
Actually it's 6 > 2 now.
Keep rubbing it in Shpoks
The glass in the wounds hurt!
Sure, we all saw it coming. We KNEW it was going to happen. IMO the stats aren't worth the exhorbitant price (which should be the main source of all the ire IMO), but overall to each their own. I won't buy this. If others do, so be it. It's not much better than its predecessor. Intel seating really isn't the bees knees, and isn't anything to get worked up over. Especially not a single LT which happens to be the only ENG seat on the ship.
Meanwhile, I think the entire premise of a science ship needs revisiting. Why are they handicapped artificially with this weak hull, strong shields, weak weapons nonsense? The trinity is long dead. This is NOT a healer class. In fact, no sci ship could survive this game or even finish the storyline missions as a pure dedicated healer. You need FIREPOWER to succeed in this game.
Since the sci powers got mega-gimped a long long while back, sci ships lack in one major obviously blaring area: a 3/3 weapons setup BLOWS.
The Vestas bypass this a little by having a hangar. Carriers with a strong sci leaning also have hangar pets to make up for lack of firepower. Meanwhile most non-pet sci ships languish in a low-damage hell where they suffer (especially NOW!) against NPCs that take ages to kill.
We are seeing some MINOR concessions to sci damage output, but only in very limited areas (crit on exotic damage) and we're still not getting any 4/3 or even 4/4 weapons layouts on ships. I mean, DAMN, man! This is a T-6 Intrepid. The LEAST you could have done was give it a 4/3 layout!
Regardless, it seems to me the best weapons layouts are NOT on sci ships. SCIs do better in cruisers with sci seating or sci-oriented escorts, rather than sci ships. Mirror Somraw? Mirror Heavy Cruiser? Fleet Ambassador? Fleet Kamarag? Hmmm... notice anything? None of these are sci ships.
Let's see a real revamping of sci ships. Let's add some more weapons slots to them. Maybe then they'll be worth a damn.
Oh, and in the meantime, how about a KDF sci ship above lvl40? There are literally none in existence. You have to use cross faction universal ships or be obsolete.