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    c3141pwac3141pwa Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Please learn your canon.

    The Intrepid class is a *light cruiser*, not a *science ship*. The Equinox was a science ship.
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    mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    So Cryptic. That's how many Fed T6 ships now?

    Feds:
    Intel:
    Phantom (Escort)
    Eclipse (Battlecruiser)
    Scryer (Science)
    Non-Intel:
    Guardian Cruiser
    Now the Pathfinder / Intrepid Pack as Science
    Edit to add: Oh yeah, I forgot the damn Dauntless Science Vessel.

    And the KDF & Roms?

    KDF:
    MatHa Raptor
    Qib Intel Battlecruiser

    Roms:
    Aehlal Battlecruiser
    Faeht Intel Warbird


    That alone for T6 is SIX Fed ships to 2 KDF, 2 Rom ships.
    Are you guys freaking serious???

    Actually the T6 Intrepid has an Intel seat...

    I get tired of hearing why one faction gets something and the others do not... everyone has access to play any and all factions so when something is added it is added for everyone.
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    aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    So...retrofit retrofits? I thought avoiding nonsense like that was the whole point of the upgrade system?

    Yeah, and that lasted a whole month ... , just enough to get the RP players to buy the old one and upgrade it to a Fleet & T5-U .


    ...let the demands for all T5-U ships to be T6-ed commence ... -- I for one hope for a Galaxy ... , because I'm hopeless ...
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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    It's not.

    If you switch:

    You're lose 1 Tac console.

    You lose 0.13 Shield mod.

    Your Eng slot is substituted with an Eng/Int hybrid.

    Your Ens Sci is substituted with a Lt. Universal.

    You gain 2k hull

    You get a console that can be equipped on either ship.

    You gain access to a Starship Mastery Trait.

    You get two ship interiors.

    This will presumably help you get a Fleet T6 Long Range Science Vessel early next year.

    Don't worry, they'll sell you back that aditional console and shield mod. (yet again) in the T6 Fleet Intrepid, comming Soon (TM).
    Keep rubbing it in Shpoks :D

    The glass in the wounds hurt!

    Yes, I think it's worth emphasizing the "marvelous" way in which Cryptic develops this game. I'm only making sure the facts are right, nothing more.
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    leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    You know, I can understand SOME of the ire this is generating, but definitely don't think it deserves all it is receiving.

    Sure, we all saw it coming. We KNEW it was going to happen. IMO the stats aren't worth the exhorbitant price (which should be the main source of all the ire IMO), but overall to each their own. I won't buy this. If others do, so be it. It's not much better than its predecessor. Intel seating really isn't the bees knees, and isn't anything to get worked up over. Especially not a single LT which happens to be the only ENG seat on the ship.

    Meanwhile, I think the entire premise of a science ship needs revisiting. Why are they handicapped artificially with this weak hull, strong shields, weak weapons nonsense? The trinity is long dead. This is NOT a healer class. In fact, no sci ship could survive this game or even finish the storyline missions as a pure dedicated healer. You need FIREPOWER to succeed in this game.

    Agreed all around. Personally, I think sci ships probably deserve special mines and/or weapons platforms.

    I am curious what this means for Lockbox ships. There's no way they'll expect people to repeat the whole purchase process for T6 versions but I also doubt they'll keep upgrading them for free (T5U was free and they all gained a console when Fleet tier was added). Either we can expect lockbox ships to get an extra BOff power, Mastery Trait, and (in some cases) hybrid seating or they'll need to establish a T6 lockbox ship upgrade method that costs less than $200 in keys.

    It will only become an issue when T6 Fleet drops, really, but it seems like an important provision to plan for.
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    neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    c3141pwa wrote: »
    Please learn your canon.

    The Intrepid class is a *light cruiser*, not a *science ship*. The Equinox was a science ship.

    Please show me on the TV where it was ever stated it was a light Cruiser
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    oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Would have been nice if they sweetened the deal some with a new optional skin, in addition to the other goodies.


    In any case, it will be interesting to see what kind of builds can be cooked up with the T6 variant.
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    leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    Don't worry, they'll sell you back that aditional console and shield mod. (yet again) in the T6 Fleet Intrepid, comming Soon (TM).



    Yes, I think it's worth emphasizing the "marvelous" way in which Cryptic develops this game. I'm only making sure the facts are right, nothing more.

    IF I buy this, it's going to be for the interior and I'm not altogether sure what I'd do with an interior OR a science ship.

    But it does look like a lovely interior. I want to support interiors in hopes of getting a Galaxy interior.
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    sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Geez Cryptic, it is almost like you're glutten for punishment....
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    orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    gypsyblade wrote: »
    Secondly..

    Where are secondary deflectors for other science ships? The mechanics obviously work? Money making angle being worked here? Just so you know.. that secondary deflector is not the make or break of us buying the this or the Dauntless. The Vesta still outclasses the newer science ships IMO
    You do realize that it's a whole new class of items which have to be made individually within the coding, right?
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    IF I buy this, it's going to be for the interior and I'm not altogether sure what I'd do with an interior OR a science ship.

    But it does look like a lovely interior. I want to support interiors in hopes of getting a Galaxy interior.

    There's no denying the Voyager interior received a lot of TLC during its design. It's the only interior before or since the LOR Warbird bridges to receive such a great treatment (the Warbird bridges are still the best. The color theme, details, aesthetics, come together very well).

    But if you have no real intention of using the ship, is 3k zen worth it?
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    bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I've got to say that as much as I am a fan of the Intrepid class, I'm a bit disappointed with this.

    First, too many versions. We have the T4 version. The C-Store version. The fleet version. The T5-U versions. And now this? If I had used an upgrade token or fleet modules on any of that, I would have been a seriously unsatisfied customer.

    I can only imagine the consternation from somebody who bought the C-Store version, then the fleet version, and then shelled out for a T5-U upgrade thinking that no T6 version was coming. And then learned that they had to pay out even more to get the Voyager interior.

    It would have been far better if Cryptic had made clear that the T6 version was on it's way and gave people the option to upgrade the T5 or not.

    Second, I agree that it should have had a hangar bay but I get that the aero shuttle was supposed to be an integrated part of the ship design. So that's a wash, I guess.

    The BOFF setup is okay, I guess. I'm not sure where that hybrid spot should've gone, but the LTC science probably would've been better than the LT engineering spot. I'm also thinking that it would have been even better to switch the LTC science and the LT tactical and then make that the hybrid slot as a nod to Tuvok's role on Voyager. Better yet, wish they could seat Intel BOFFs in the universal stations.

    BUT... this will be the only true T6 science vessel, probably for awhile. Passing it up is going to be a tough decision. It's still going to be an excellent support vessel able to take a sound beating and come back for more. A lot like Voyager, actually.

    Guess I'll wait to see what the bundle prices are going to be and wait to hear what the early adopters have to say about it. That'll be the make-or-break that decides me on whether to pry some of my captains out of their upgraded Vestas. It's not looking too good at the moment.

    Things that might get me to buy it despite my reservations:

    * A true hangar bay with aero shuttle pets
    * Hybrid universal BOFF stations that allow seating any Intel BOFF
    * A unique secondary deflector to use as part of the 3 pc set instead of the aero console
    * A fantastic price on a bundle
    * 3 tactical console slots and 4 science console slots instead of 2/5.

    Not going to happen, but there you go.
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    morden613morden613 Member Posts: 366 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I agree. There are too many versions of the Intrepid class. Why do we need them?
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    puttenhamputtenham Member Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    You do realize that it's a whole new class of items which have to be made individually within the coding, right?

    yet they keep releasing it on pretty much all the new pay ships.. you do realize that they could easily just release it with what they have like all the other ships that are being released with it.. if its good enough for the 3 or so ships that have it now, its good enough to be released..

    but alas, they will use it as a selling point on all "new" sci ships..
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    rygelx16rygelx16 Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Wow, what an awful BO and console loadout. But I am sure plenty with throw more money at cryptic for it, just praising their bad decisions as always. :confused:
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    ufpterrellufpterrell Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I don't think anyone is surprised to see this. The most annoying thing is that it's been ready to ship pretty much for weeks, physically in game anyhow (the aero shuttle was already modelled in the new Intrepid model).

    Personally, not interested in the slightest. Friends of mine in game and from my fleet will think I'm ill or something since I'm a real canon ***** when it comes to ship builds etc and flying the "real" Trek ships from the shows. It's just so much money for only a minimal improvement over the T5U version it's almost laughable. The Aeroshuttle will be fairly useless too since those pets always die really quickly, just look at the Odyssey Aquarius and how fast that things dead on the field.

    The only thing that would tempt me is a properly redone Galaxy pack compete with interior and new exterior model, WITH ACTUAL STAT IMPROVEMENTS unlike the Galaxy-X pack they did. Other than that, no thanks.
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    rudiefix1rudiefix1 Member Posts: 420
    edited November 2014
    For the future of STO I hope you are also planning to introduce KDF ships. Preferably sci focussed Bop's or Corsair like cruisers.

    I think you do.

    So then why not showing a little more tactical feeling by first introducing KDF and ROM ships, instead of first proudly presenting even more fed ships?
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    lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Although I'm a big fan of wanting to let people fly their favorite ships at endgame, I feel like you (Cryptic) are overdoing it too much with this. Sorry.
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    ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited November 2014
    bluegeek wrote: »
    I've got to say that as much as I am a fan of the Intrepid class, I'm a bit disappointed with this.

    First, too many versions. We have the T4 version. The C-Store version. The fleet version. The T5-U versions. And now this? If I had used an upgrade token or fleet modules on any of that, I would have been a seriously unsatisfied customer.

    I can only imagine the consternation from somebody who bought the C-Store version, then the fleet version, and then shelled out for a T5-U upgrade thinking that no T6 version was coming. And then learned that they had to pay out even more to get the Voyager interior.

    It would have been far better if Cryptic had made clear that the T6 version was on it's way and gave people the option to upgrade the T5 or not.

    Second, I agree that it should have had a hangar bay but I get that the aero shuttle was supposed to be an integrated part of the ship design. So that's a wash, I guess.

    The BOFF setup is okay, I guess. I'm not sure where that hybrid spot should've gone, but the LTC science probably would've been better than the LT engineering spot. I'm also thinking that it would have been even better to switch the LTC science and the LT tactical and then make that the hybrid slot as a nod to Tuvok's role on Voyager. Better yet, wish they could seat Intel BOFFs in the universal stations.

    BUT... this will be the only true T6 science vessel, probably for awhile. Passing it up is going to be a tough decision. It's still going to be an excellent support vessel able to take a sound beating and come back for more. A lot like Voyager, actually.

    Guess I'll wait to see what the bundle prices are going to be and wait to hear what the early adopters have to say about it. That'll be the make-or-break that decides me on whether to pry some of my captains out of their upgraded Vestas. It's not looking too good at the moment.

    Things that might get me to buy it despite my reservations:

    * A true hangar bay with aero shuttle pets
    * Hybrid universal BOFF stations that allow seating any Intel BOFF
    * A unique secondary deflector to use as part of the 3 pc set instead of the aero console
    * A fantastic price on a bundle
    * 3 tactical console slots and 4 science console slots instead of 2/5.

    Not going to happen, but there you go.

    Summed it up perfectly for me.
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    cyberpenguin73cyberpenguin73 Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Whew....I was about to buy some upgrade tokens for some of my favorite ships, but thank you Cryptic for saving by me the money. I'll just wait and see what other T5 ships get this treatment. Good thing I'm not a fan of the Intrepid.
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    leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    There's no denying the Voyager interior received a lot of TLC during its design. It's the only interior before or since the LOR Warbird bridges to receive such a great treatment (the Warbird bridges are still the best. The color theme, details, aesthetics, come together very well).

    But if you have no real intention of using the ship, is 3k zen worth it?

    I guess it boils down to what the dilithium exchange rate is, for me. :-)
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    cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,533 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    bluegeek wrote: »
    I've got to say that as much as I am a fan of the Intrepid class, I'm a bit disappointed with this.

    First, too many versions. We have the T4 version. The C-Store version. The fleet version. The T5-U versions. And now this? If I had used an upgrade token or fleet modules on any of that, I would have been a seriously unsatisfied customer.

    I can only imagine the consternation from somebody who bought the C-Store version, then the fleet version, and then shelled out for a T5-U upgrade thinking that no T6 version was coming. And then learned that they had to pay out even more to get the Voyager interior.

    It would have been far better if Cryptic had made clear that the T6 version was on it's way and gave people the option to upgrade the T5 or not.

    Second, I agree that it should have had a hangar bay but I get that the aero shuttle was supposed to be an integrated part of the ship design. So that's a wash, I guess.

    The BOFF setup is okay, I guess. I'm not sure where that hybrid spot should've gone, but the LTC science probably would've been better than the LT engineering spot. I'm also thinking that it would have been even better to switch the LTC science and the LT tactical and then make that the hybrid slot as a nod to Tuvok's role on Voyager. Better yet, wish they could seat Intel BOFFs in the universal stations.

    BUT... this will be the only true T6 science vessel, probably for awhile. Passing it up is going to be a tough decision. It's still going to be an excellent support vessel able to take a sound beating and come back for more. A lot like Voyager, actually.

    Guess I'll wait to see what the bundle prices are going to be and wait to hear what the early adopters have to say about it. That'll be the make-or-break that decides me on whether to pry some of my captains out of their upgraded Vestas. It's not looking too good at the moment.

    Things that might get me to buy it despite my reservations:

    * A true hangar bay with aero shuttle pets
    * Hybrid universal BOFF stations that allow seating any Intel BOFF
    * A unique secondary deflector to use as part of the 3 pc set instead of the aero console
    * A fantastic price on a bundle
    * 3 tactical console slots and 4 science console slots instead of 2/5.

    Not going to happen, but there you go.

    The third Tac slot will come with the T6 fleet upgrade.
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    organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    can I have a Janeway and Seven Boff pack?

    I need a Christmas gift for Worffan.


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    psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,648 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Well, if you really want from me to buy that better give it normal hangar bay(with aero shuttles) and better BOFF layout(at least LTC sci/intel). Scryer is better than this...

    The Aeroshuttle is singular aboard Intrepids. Much like all other Captain's Yachts. We aren't likely to see hanger groups of Aeroshuttle anymore than hanger groups of the saucer shaped Calypso off a Galaxy-class. Or a hanger group of Cousteau's from the Sovereign-class. [strikethrough]However, this is the first combat ready Captain's Yacht we have seen in STO. Which does make it unique.[/strikethtough]

    Correcting myself. The Veteran's reward Captain's Yacht is combat ready as well.
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    Just noticed.. no hangar for delta flyer pets? Delta flyer and Intrepid belong to each other.

    As the game presents hanger's, I guess a single hanger of Delta Flyer's would have been appropriate.

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    puttenhamputtenham Member Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    if memory serves me correctly, when we were all moaning and groaning about how no hero ships were made to t6 for dr, didn't the vibe cryptic gave off lead you to believe that they were not going to upgrade hero ships, that they were always gonna keep them a step below the new hotness so to say.

    I mean I remember them saying things like the hero ships were outdated, and they were trying to ussure in a new era of ships,

    and that they were trying to step away from the show and make sto its own.

    I specifically remember them saying something to the tune of hero ships would be t5u, but not t6. that lead me to believe that tfu upgrade was the only choice for me..

    am I wrong? im not sure, but that is the feeling I had when this whole t6/t5u debacle started.
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,431 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I guess it boils down to what the dilithium exchange rate is, for me. :-)

    Yeah, that's probably the reason why i will wait 1-2 months before making the purchase.
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    demuderdemuder Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    But of course! It makes perfect sense that yet another T6 science ship if released fed side.

    It's not like KDF and Romulans would ever need a proper science ship. Let alone a T6 one. Or need enough T6 starhip traits to fill those empty spaces...
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    dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    can everyone now see why tier 5U was a supremely stupid concept? a terrible waste of money? bad enough that commonly the total price for any fleet tier 5U ship is 3700 zen, but superior tier 6 ships are on the way for 3000 zen, and a fleet version is still a comparative bargain.

    its only a mater of time before everything gets re-released in tier 6 form. most ships wont even require any new art, its just better stats on an old asset with a new dreamed up trait. cryptic printing themselves free money.

    so now there's basically just 10 ships worth using in the game right now, 6 of which are fed. if your just going to re-issue ships, why wasn't the KDF and rom thrown a bone? no mater how much more poorly they sold, you would have to make a profit seeing as the ship reuses old art assets

    how about a tier 6 vorcha and hegh ta or brel? and a d'deridex and mogai? going off this same formula the intrepid has, how about this? *= hybrid seat

    tier 6 vorcha
    COM eng
    LTC tac
    LT tac*

    LT eng
    LT uni

    tier 6 hegh ta/brel
    COM uni
    LTC uni
    LT uni*
    LT uni
    ENS uni


    tier 6 d'deridex
    COM eng
    LTC tac
    LTC sci
    LT tac*
    ENS uni

    tier 6 mogai
    COM tac
    LTC eng
    LT tac*
    LT sci
    LT uni
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,431 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    demuder wrote: »
    But of course! It makes perfect sense that yet another T6 science ship if released fed side.

    It's not like KDF and Romulans would ever need a proper science ship. Let alone a T6 one. Or need enough T6 starhip traits to fill those empty spaces...

    Considering how much respect the Klingons have for doctors and scientists and considering for the Romulans defending their new home has priority, how likely do you think it is those factions develop additional science ships?
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
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    captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    In other news, I will now place my request for a Tier 5 Klingon Bird of Prey.
    Tier 6 canon ships variants came earlier than I expected. But I expected them. ;)

    Voyager is a good start, too.

    The Gamma Dawn expansion containing a Tier 6 or Tier 7 Defiant can't come soon enough. :p

    Yes I am quite pleased. My hopes for a Tier 6 Sovereign with a proper Nemesis era perfect skin would leave me with great joy. I would gladly buy that.
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