I had like 3-5 upgrades while leveling my character from 50 to 60. That's not like it was huge either. Remember, in a 5 people team, you have to roll for them, and you have 1/5 chance to have it.
But considering how R&D and upgrade are their new cash grab, they sure wouldn't want people to grind it for free.
Had plenty of drops of superior beam weapons upgrades from the STF's ISE (pre-delta) they didnt nerf bat then and that was for like a month.
Lets say they do nerf it, which if what I am suggesting is true would be a perfectly viable solution.
The solution will benefit the whole of sto who want to enjoy the game playing thier way, and not treating the game like a job with the goal of level capping as quickly as possible. I for one could care less about level capping right now, the game and I will be here for a while, I am in no hurry. What I DONT want is to not be able to approach a social zone witout crashing, and the frequency that this has been happening is correlated to the increase of this particular activity. Tau Dewa grinding didnt exactly explode the moment DR dropped, it took a few days to wind up. Since it has, my connection has been crappy in zones that demand a lot of networking bandwidth on their end. I have no reason to believe that it is from my side, because much of the game is free from the lag, and other games have no lag. I play Diablo quite seriously on hardcore mode, so believe me when I tell you of there is the slightest bit of network trouble on my end, I know about it.
It will be unfortunate for those who want to grind, but if every player had their way, it would rain dilithium, and everything would be free.
Seems to be a lot of entitlement going on around here.
Not really, what you are saying is that people should play exactly by the rules YOU think are correct...
The dev's are thinking the same way, but at the same time making rules that prevent people actually having fun in their own way. Most fun I've had in a while was grouping up for those Tau Dewa Patrols, which used to be considered tedious due to STF's being more fun and better rewards. Now STF's are tedious health grinds with little hope of beating until you get a fully epic layout on a T5-U or better ship with access to at least T4 Spire in a Fleet.
Personally I couldn't give a flying fark what YOU want. It's what everyone wants that I give two shicks about. Some want to play it slow, well fine, no need to rush through any content. However limiting those players who want to play competitively at lvl 60 to having to grind through everything so damn slow in the DR areas where not even doing every mission results in a decent amount of expertise, causes frustration. Even moreso when you are playing more than a single character to have different fighting styles on different ships.
TBH I don't think TD grinding was affecting your connection, if it was well that's kinda amusing as that would mean their backend servers aren't able to service even a relatively small fraction of the population doing certain things. Hell it doesn't make sense as they had 1000's of players doing the CCE event a couple of months back and that was just as harsh if not harsher on the systems.
BTW if you are crashing near a social zone, it's most likely your PC not the game. If it's not then I'd be very surprised...
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
No. The devs have games metric updated hourly, with alerts on anything that exceeds norms.
Nerfbat options and payload discussed.
They knew about this within hours of the 'excessive' use.
Nerfbat targeted.
Management knew about it when the number of players in Tau Dewa exceeded that in Delta Rising.
Nerfbat launched.
Somebody in another one of these tau dewa complaint threads said a dev actually asked people in chat about it before it was taken down. Care to explain that away?
Yeah, but gear pre-delta isn't that tied to things that make them money, while the R&D and upgrade system is.
Superior beam weapons upgrade is tied to it as you have to pay dil to upgrade even 1/4 of your weapons upgrade. people are saying that its because the drop rate is too much from the grinds.
but if thats the case wouldnt that benefit them? seeing as we have to pay through the nose for dill after they've nerfed the rewards?
see where im going with this? thats why I dont believe the whole upgrade drop rate nerf thing at the moment.
Cryptic, plz dont listen these qqers. U should nerf exp in this sector. Ppl must play Delta Rising but not Tau dewa Japori, and should not be able to fill out all 60 points in one week... it's like allow people to pump all reputation in a couple of days.
And 'superior beam weapons upgrades' aren't R&D related!? *boggle*
Ah, read that wrong. I should be in bed. Either way, still seems more likely than nerfing something that seems to have been in the game for a while. To me anyway.
Cryptic, plz dont listen these qqers. U should nerf exp in this sector. Ppl must play Delta Rising but not Tau dewa Japori, and should not be able to fill out all 60 points in one week... it's like allow people to pump all reputation in a couple of days.
so must grind because space magic fun?
yeah no sorry I refuse to play for days on end just to play a story that shouldnt be gated and get barely anything for it. its no longer fun, its a chore. Id have more fun cleaning my dishing which unfortunately Im in the middle of doing as my computers in the dining room next to the kitchen lol
Superior beam weapons upgrade is tied to it as you have to pay dil to upgrade even 1/4 of your weapons upgrade. people are saying that its because the drop rate is too much from the grinds.
but if thats the case wouldnt that benefit them? seeing as we have to pay through the nose for dill after they've nerfed the rewards?
see where im going with this? thats why I dont believe the whole upgrade drop rate nerf thing at the moment.
Depends on how patient people are with getting dilithium vs levelling.
yeah no sorry I refuse to play for days on end just to play a story that shouldnt be gated and get barely anything for it. its no longer fun, its a chore. Id have more fun cleaning my dishing which unfortunately Im in the middle of doing as my computers in the dining room next to the kitchen lol
Somebody in another one of these tau dewa complaint threads said a dev actually asked people in chat about it before it was taken down. Care to explain that away?
Nope. If the devs do not have streaming metrics about their own product, we're all...
Depends on how patient people are with getting dilithium vs levelling.
But as I said, I read that wrong.
Yeah its no problem.
and well I dont think its a matter of paitences anymore we were paitent with the rep grinds.. we were paitent with bug fixes and we were paitent with the upgrade system (incomplete might I add) and now this...
this is why Im going back to swtor tomorrow.
Im not touching the game again until they listen to their customers/fans.
This thread is nothing compared to the blood-boiling that's going on in-game, I guarantee you.
That's right Cryptic, monitor zone chat if you doubt this statement, You have a bonafide snafu on your hands now. It's no longer just the vocal few who post on the forums.
Troll or not, I do detect a distinct reduction in the amount of sycophantic Cryptic-Defense-Force posts as compared the big threads regarding other past nerfs. Have we finally reached a major breaking point?
yeah didnt realise im pretty tired :P and i have washing up soap in my eyes now >.< dog jumped up at me and made me drop a plate in the water and it splashed and got me in the eye DEM IT!
Have yet to see any official statement of any kind. Rampant speculation by players. Accusations, jumping to conclusions and a few fanning the flames.. But nothing official.
Asked in a few other threads, was either ignored, insulted or pointed to this thread.
See the OP 'quote' a dev.. not a screen shot. not a dev, just one sentence quote.
EVEN IF the quote is legit. (not sure about that) Seems like a lot of conclusions are being made. Could be a bug completely unrelated to anything else. could be something many have speculated about or something else entirely.
Just seems like a LOT of fuss without a lot of specifics so far.
Did i miss something?
Still looking for anyone that can post a screen of this quote.. or confirmation from another source. Stats? anything?
Cryptic, plz dont listen these qqers. U should nerf exp in this sector. Ppl must play Delta Rising but not Tau dewa Japori, and should not be able to fill out all 60 points in one week... it's like allow people to pump all reputation in a couple of days.
I can make the 46,368 xp required per point in several hours, easily. No, not gonna tell a scab like you how, though.
I know people who level up toons to lv 50 within 2 days. It took me all of 1.5 weeks. Glad we have you to tell us how fast we're allowed to go.
Troll or not, I do detect a distinct reduction in the amount of sycophantic Cryptic-Defense-Force posts as compared the big threads regarding other past nerfs. Have we finally reached a major breaking point?
CDF is probably down to like 2-3 people now out of what 10? with about 100 alts each lol.
Honestly, the whole Tau Dewa thing got people teaming with random players, moreso than their "Queue Revamps" by far. I was having a good time with people whom I normally wouldn't have. And I didn't even know about it until I was FINISHED with the content, after wondering what all the "LFG Japori" was about.
And that's after being completely underwhelmed by the new "content" added. I really have very little (if any) desire to repeat the level 50-60 leveling in the Delta Quadrant. I wasn't impressed with the missions, and nothing about any of it makes me want to repeat it.
The STFs are seriously not worth the time involved, and the whole expansion is pretty alt-unfriendly, IMO.
Honestly, the whole Tau Dewa thing got people teaming with random players, moreso than their "Queue Revamps" by far. I was having a good time with people whom I normally wouldn't have. And I didn't even know about it until I was FINISHED with the content, after wondering what all the "LFG Japori" was about.
And that's after being completely underwhelmed by the new "content" added. I really have very little (if any) desire to repeat the level 50-60 leveling in the Delta Quadrant. I wasn't impressed with the missions, and nothing about any of it makes me want to repeat it.
The STFs are seriously not worth the time involved, and the whole expansion is pretty alt-unfriendly, IMO.
Honestly, the whole Tau Dewa thing got people teaming with random players, moreso than their "Queue Revamps" by far. I was having a good time with people whom I normally wouldn't have. And I didn't even know about it until I was FINISHED with the content, after wondering what all the "LFG Japori" was about.
And that's after being completely underwhelmed by the new "content" added. I really have very little (if any) desire to repeat the level 50-60 leveling in the Delta Quadrant. I wasn't impressed with the missions, and nothing about any of it makes me want to repeat it.
The STFs are seriously not worth the time involved, and the whole expansion is pretty alt-unfriendly, IMO.
I noticed this, finally the game became socially fun... and then...
in the beginning there was darkness and then...........BANG.
It's a good sign to the Devs that they fraked up the whole DR thing with super amounts of HP and what not on NPCs instead of making it easier on players.
Many have multiple toons.. so they had to take away the ability to level toons up through other ways then having them play new release content.
Note to Devs... no one likes to slug away at something for 30 minutes when they can do the same thing in five minutes!
I'd like to ask a simple question. Do the devs have too much free time at work?
Because that what it feels like to me.
Let me put this rather straight.
New STF rebalance was a matter of adding few enemies and changing the HP and damage of the NPCs. It didn't invlove actually making a competent AI that would be in any way challenging to the player on equal HP footing. I'd like to say that is the most lazy way of increasing the difficulty I've ever saw. It's the way the Total War Series does it. And Total War games have retared AI and their game devs also don't know how to deal with it.
Few elite queues are missing. Some missions are missing. Bugs known from tribble are an issue on holodeck now. Few STF missions are bugged.
Quite a few "story missions" in delta rising are glorified system patrols.
The Kobali Battlezone is the most boring and utterly pointless battlezone in-game. Waste of time with very little rewards.
Many, much too many people have again the issue with missing tray powers.
In other words, Delta Rising Expansion isn't impressive at all, in fact it so far, it makes to game worse to play.
And what devs decide to do is block patrol missions that are working properly.
Excuse me, but if you're making it a grind, people will find the most effective way to grind it.
The reaction shouldn't be "Oh, they are leveling faster than we thought! Whatever shall we do?"
I'd say, first, fix the ******n bugs. That would be nice. DR is getting to a point of being more
buggy than the LOR, which is a ******n disaster.
This situation is just straight forward silly and shouldn't have happened.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
The beast at Tanagra.
Kadir beneath Mo Moteh. Kiteo, his eyes closed. Chenza at court, the court of silence. Darmok on the ocean.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
I think the "No Fun Allowed" robot image pretty much sums up Cryptic of late.
That and unforgettable "It's not a bug, it's a feature!" line everybody in-game goes with.
It's just stupid. People grind in MMO! EVERYBODY PANIC! Go to red alert! Throw redshirts into the warp core, just whatever you do, don't bother fixing the bugs people were reporting since tribble!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
The beast at Tanagra.
Kadir beneath Mo Moteh. Kiteo, his eyes closed. Chenza at court, the court of silence. Darmok on the ocean.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
I think the "No Fun Allowed" robot image pretty much sums up Cryptic of late.
You know that female fed officer on the poster of DR?
I honestly think thats what some of them have been doing the entire time it was in tribble.
then its like ... okay lets get back to work now its released see wha... NO GOD DAMN IT NO THEY'RE HAVING FUN! *head explodes* ... *nerfbat cutting beam assembled*....*Nerfbat cutting beam fired*...*fun destroyed*.
Every player was hurt and their fun significantly reduced while typing this post.
sidenote/ random hyper plasma torpedo was launched at playerbase, dealing 1200000 critical damage.
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Had plenty of drops of superior beam weapons upgrades from the STF's ISE (pre-delta) they didnt nerf bat then and that was for like a month.
No. The devs have games metric updated hourly, with alerts on anything that exceeds norms.
Nerfbat options and payload discussed.
They knew about this within hours of the 'excessive' use.
Nerfbat targeted.
Management knew about it when the number of players in Tau Dewa exceeded that in Delta Rising.
Nerfbat launched.
And 'superior beam weapons upgrades' aren't R&D related!? *boggle*
Not really, what you are saying is that people should play exactly by the rules YOU think are correct...
The dev's are thinking the same way, but at the same time making rules that prevent people actually having fun in their own way. Most fun I've had in a while was grouping up for those Tau Dewa Patrols, which used to be considered tedious due to STF's being more fun and better rewards. Now STF's are tedious health grinds with little hope of beating until you get a fully epic layout on a T5-U or better ship with access to at least T4 Spire in a Fleet.
Personally I couldn't give a flying fark what YOU want. It's what everyone wants that I give two shicks about. Some want to play it slow, well fine, no need to rush through any content. However limiting those players who want to play competitively at lvl 60 to having to grind through everything so damn slow in the DR areas where not even doing every mission results in a decent amount of expertise, causes frustration. Even moreso when you are playing more than a single character to have different fighting styles on different ships.
TBH I don't think TD grinding was affecting your connection, if it was well that's kinda amusing as that would mean their backend servers aren't able to service even a relatively small fraction of the population doing certain things. Hell it doesn't make sense as they had 1000's of players doing the CCE event a couple of months back and that was just as harsh if not harsher on the systems.
BTW if you are crashing near a social zone, it's most likely your PC not the game. If it's not then I'd be very surprised...
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
Somebody in another one of these tau dewa complaint threads said a dev actually asked people in chat about it before it was taken down. Care to explain that away?
Superior beam weapons upgrade is tied to it as you have to pay dil to upgrade even 1/4 of your weapons upgrade. people are saying that its because the drop rate is too much from the grinds.
but if thats the case wouldnt that benefit them? seeing as we have to pay through the nose for dill after they've nerfed the rewards?
see where im going with this? thats why I dont believe the whole upgrade drop rate nerf thing at the moment.
so must grind because space magic fun?
yeah no sorry I refuse to play for days on end just to play a story that shouldnt be gated and get barely anything for it. its no longer fun, its a chore. Id have more fun cleaning my dishing which unfortunately Im in the middle of doing as my computers in the dining room next to the kitchen lol
But as I said, I read that wrong.
Look at his post count.
Don't feed the troll
Nope. If the devs do not have streaming metrics about their own product, we're all...
Wait, I sense an opportunity.
The Ferengi in me is calling.... BRAZIL!.... da da da da da da, DA DA DA DA DA DAAAA
Yeah its no problem.
and well I dont think its a matter of paitences anymore we were paitent with the rep grinds.. we were paitent with bug fixes and we were paitent with the upgrade system (incomplete might I add) and now this...
this is why Im going back to swtor tomorrow.
Im not touching the game again until they listen to their customers/fans.
That's right Cryptic, monitor zone chat if you doubt this statement, You have a bonafide snafu on your hands now. It's no longer just the vocal few who post on the forums.
Someone's got some splainin to do.
Troll or not, I do detect a distinct reduction in the amount of sycophantic Cryptic-Defense-Force posts as compared the big threads regarding other past nerfs. Have we finally reached a major breaking point?
heh
yeah didnt realise im pretty tired :P and i have washing up soap in my eyes now >.< dog jumped up at me and made me drop a plate in the water and it splashed and got me in the eye
Asked in a few other threads, was either ignored, insulted or pointed to this thread.
See the OP 'quote' a dev.. not a screen shot. not a dev, just one sentence quote.
EVEN IF the quote is legit. (not sure about that) Seems like a lot of conclusions are being made. Could be a bug completely unrelated to anything else. could be something many have speculated about or something else entirely.
Just seems like a LOT of fuss without a lot of specifics so far.
Did i miss something?
Still looking for anyone that can post a screen of this quote.. or confirmation from another source. Stats? anything?
I can make the 46,368 xp required per point in several hours, easily. No, not gonna tell a scab like you how, though.
I know people who level up toons to lv 50 within 2 days. It took me all of 1.5 weeks. Glad we have you to tell us how fast we're allowed to go.
CDF is probably down to like 2-3 people now out of what 10? with about 100 alts each lol.
I don't give out sources....OPSEC. same reason i didn't gloat as to the pseudo exploitation of XP grinding.
And that's after being completely underwhelmed by the new "content" added. I really have very little (if any) desire to repeat the level 50-60 leveling in the Delta Quadrant. I wasn't impressed with the missions, and nothing about any of it makes me want to repeat it.
The STFs are seriously not worth the time involved, and the whole expansion is pretty alt-unfriendly, IMO.
Agreed. +1
I noticed this, finally the game became socially fun... and then...
in the beginning there was darkness and then...........BANG.
Many have multiple toons.. so they had to take away the ability to level toons up through other ways then having them play new release content.
Note to Devs... no one likes to slug away at something for 30 minutes when they can do the same thing in five minutes!
Because that what it feels like to me.
Let me put this rather straight.
New STF rebalance was a matter of adding few enemies and changing the HP and damage of the NPCs. It didn't invlove actually making a competent AI that would be in any way challenging to the player on equal HP footing. I'd like to say that is the most lazy way of increasing the difficulty I've ever saw. It's the way the Total War Series does it. And Total War games have retared AI and their game devs also don't know how to deal with it.
Few elite queues are missing. Some missions are missing. Bugs known from tribble are an issue on holodeck now. Few STF missions are bugged.
Quite a few "story missions" in delta rising are glorified system patrols.
The Kobali Battlezone is the most boring and utterly pointless battlezone in-game. Waste of time with very little rewards.
Many, much too many people have again the issue with missing tray powers.
In other words, Delta Rising Expansion isn't impressive at all, in fact it so far, it makes to game worse to play.
And what devs decide to do is block patrol missions that are working properly.
Excuse me, but if you're making it a grind, people will find the most effective way to grind it.
The reaction shouldn't be "Oh, they are leveling faster than we thought! Whatever shall we do?"
I'd say, first, fix the ******n bugs. That would be nice. DR is getting to a point of being more
buggy than the LOR, which is a ******n disaster.
This situation is just straight forward silly and shouldn't have happened.
Kadir beneath Mo Moteh. Kiteo, his eyes closed. Chenza at court, the court of silence. Darmok on the ocean.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
I think the "No Fun Allowed" robot image pretty much sums up Cryptic of late.
This reminds of the tour the universe nerf that ruined the social aspects of that race as well.
That and unforgettable "It's not a bug, it's a feature!" line everybody in-game goes with.
It's just stupid. People grind in MMO! EVERYBODY PANIC! Go to red alert! Throw redshirts into the warp core, just whatever you do, don't bother fixing the bugs people were reporting since tribble!
Kadir beneath Mo Moteh. Kiteo, his eyes closed. Chenza at court, the court of silence. Darmok on the ocean.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
You know that female fed officer on the poster of DR?
I honestly think thats what some of them have been doing the entire time it was in tribble.
then its like ... okay lets get back to work now its released see wha... NO GOD DAMN IT NO THEY'RE HAVING FUN! *head explodes* ... *nerfbat cutting beam assembled*....*Nerfbat cutting beam fired*...*fun destroyed*.
Every player was hurt and their fun significantly reduced while typing this post.
sidenote/ random hyper plasma torpedo was launched at playerbase, dealing 1200000 critical damage.