Honestly, the whole Tau Dewa thing got people teaming with random players, moreso than their "Queue Revamps" by far. I was having a good time with people whom I normally wouldn't have. And I didn't even know about it until I was FINISHED with the content, after wondering what all the "LFG Japori" was about.
And that's after being completely underwhelmed by the new "content" added. I really have very little (if any) desire to repeat the level 50-60 leveling in the Delta Quadrant. I wasn't impressed with the missions, and nothing about any of it makes me want to repeat it.
The STFs are seriously not worth the time involved, and the whole expansion is pretty alt-unfriendly, IMO.
This is exactly what I came here to say: the team-ups in Tau Dewa were some of the best interactions I've had with other STO players. Way to ruin it, Cryptic.
It's interesting to contrast STO with Eve in this regard. In Eve, emergent behavior is celebrated, and they've got a thriving community, with devs going to pubs with players, throwing huge Icelandic parties, etc. In STO, emergent behavior is stifled, and there's an extremely hostile and adversarial relationship between the dev team and the player base.
STO's players frequently seem like victims of abuse, if you were to listen to them long enough. They don't seem like people having fun.
I know I'm not having fun since Kerrat ceased to exist for level 60 players, and restoring it clearly isn't as high a priority for Cryptic as deathstomping any attempt to circumvent the loathsome, mind-numbing grind this game's become as of late. A grind required to simply get back to where we were before it came along, mind you.
The beast at Tanagra.
Kadir beneath Mo Moteh. Kiteo, his eyes closed. Chenza at court, the court of silence. Darmok on the ocean.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Lets say they are nerfing it, for whatever reason. Are they gonna nerf everything?
they just released a major content expansion and no one is playing it because they are all in Japori. Has it occured to anyone that the patrol missions in the delta quadrant are just as effective as the ones in Tau Dewa? Has anyone tried? You can pick up chains of them from your episode tab, get a group and do it. Maybe the xp and drops will be even Better!
Imagine how lively the Delta Quadrant would be if all the people in Japiri were spread out across it in convoys, instead of all clustered around Japori in Tau Dewa.
How good would it look for them if they could show the gaming world a brand new zone full of people playing together in groups. It wouls almost look like a healthy MMO, and it might just attract enough attention to expand the playerbase.
I know you all want to hate, and spit your vitriolic bile at the devs, but if you try to think rationally for a moment you might realize that cryptic isnt out to pop your baloon.
This reminds of the tour the universe nerf that ruined the social aspects of that race as well.
Oh, you mean the thing that everyone was saying "DOOOOOM" over, and then was basically forgotten about after about a week or two by everyone but a select few?
Oh hey, you're actually playing something that's been in the game for almost the past year and a half and not causing it to spit out numbers that it wasn't already supposed to? EXPLOIT!!!
Edit: But seriously, this is the kind of poor PR response that any company should really be trying to avoid. If there was actually any exploit involved, then why did it take them since last May to detect it? Nope, just have to make a vague statement accusing the players of wrongdoing instead of fessing up to any possible lack of foresight on the company's part.
I wasn't trying to blame the players....sorry if it came off that way
That was more pointed at the Dev's, kinda saying WTF!!! I only had one more system to get my marks for the day, ...
For Pete's sake, if you are looking for the Marks, then finish off with two Deep Space encounters. 15% for each. I sometimes run seven in a row to get the Daily done. They are quicker and work just like the system patrols. Keep going right back in.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The only people to blame for this is Cryptic. Had they properly beta tested and listened to the feedback. Theyd have known people in general were going to avoid grinding in the Delta Quadrant if they could do it with less hassle elsewhere.
Theyre now incringing on other aspects of the game instead of fixing what is driving people to Tau Dewa.
The thing I find most humorous about the announcement is that no Cryptic employee would have their name associated with that post. No one was willing to jump on that grenade. Instead, the company hides behind the anonymous "Q" account.
Right after you finish mindscape you get a popup window that explains the exp in delta rising is no longer going to get you one level per mission and the patrol mission wrapper is there to guide you to the ones linked to story. It also recommends doing other patrols to keep leveling.
I don't particularly think it was a great idea, but yes it is intended.
And by intended we know they really mean "because we wanted to make less story missions! ´cause story missions are like a repellent to us over at Cryptic".
Wow this has gotten so bad I'm not even angry anymore, instead genuinely laughing aloud. This launch has gotten so stupid its moved into self-parody territory. Crashes and bug fixes would be an improvement. Just wow.
And by intended we know they really mean "because we wanted to make less story missions! ´cause story missions are like a repellent to us over at Cryptic".
and in their minds they are saying "DIE LITTLE ROLEPLAYERS DIE! MWHAHAHA"
Wow this has gotten so bad I'm not even angry anymore, instead genuinely laughing aloud. This launch has gotten so stupid its moved into self-parody territory. Crashes and bug fixes would be an improvement. Just wow.
I was thinking the same thing. If I didn't know better (and I don't), Id say that they're genuinely trying to make people mad.
Wow this has gotten so bad I'm not even angry anymore, instead genuinely laughing aloud. This launch has gotten so stupid its moved into self-parody territory. Crashes and bug fixes would be an improvement. Just wow.
well I just logged in and had a graphics glitch (probably my gpu being stupid) but on my screen my ship was literally a rainbow in space quite amusing
It's interesting to contrast STO with Eve in this regard. In Eve, emergent behavior is celebrated, and they've got a thriving community, with devs going to pubs with players, throwing huge Icelandic parties, etc. In STO, emergent behavior is stifled, and there's an extremely hostile and adversarial relationship between the dev team and the player base.
STO's players frequently seem like victims of abuse, if you were to listen to them long enough. They don't seem like people having fun.
I know I'm not having fun since Kerrat ceased to exist for level 60 players, and restoring it clearly isn't as high a priority for Cryptic as deathstomping any attempt to circumvent the loathsome, mind-numbing grind this game's become as of late. A grind required to simply get back to where we were before it came along, mind you.
In EVE that kind of adversarial relationship would not be tolerated. Those devs would be falling on their swords and looking for work period. Say what you will about EVE but at least those devs give the illusion of working for the players. The last time devs in EVE tried to get greedy with things like monocles a statue in Jita got shot at by a lot of players and the GM had to issue an apology. Here we get accused of using an exploit. What is that exploit you may ask? *gasp* trying to level faster using legal in game means so I dunno we can keep the story going without having to grind a bunch of nonsense. Instead of crpytic GM's sitting back and saying hey at least people are grouping together and playing the game, they see trying to level as efficiently as possible as an exploit. To me an exploit would be using a broken instance that is accidentally awarding far more XP then it should be and players are trying to power grind it before it is fixed. This is doing no more then using enhanced rewards from the new difficulty setting to maximize leveling. Just unbelievable.
Oh wait and another dumb question, if using tau dewa to power level is an exploit then what do you call double XP events for players to power level their toons to 50? Because its not in official cryptic sanctioned and directed activity? How about instead of creating artificial barriers to force people to play longer and inflate your numbers you release a product that people actually want to play for the same amount of time that's actually fun and not a grind. When a player is saying to himself "TRIBBLE I have to login to do my daily" you have failed...just saying.
and in their minds they are saying "DIE LITTLE ROLEPLAYERS DIE! MWHAHAHA"
And now I'm picturing D'angelo in his office, bashing plastic starships into each other as he says this. Then Smirk comes in to ask him about something....
"DID YOU SEE ANYTHING?!"
"No sir! I didn't see you playing with your dolls again!"
Oh, they must mean that leveling first then playing mediocre content later is EXPLOITATIVE?!?!
These dudes are seriously delusional. Then by their logic, ALL ATTEMPTS AT LEVELING OUTSIDE DQ IS EXPLOITATIVE, UP TO AND INCLUDING ALL LEGITIMATE MISSIONS, PvE, AND STF'S
Explain the logic please. I will sit here and wait.
WELL IF THE JAPORI INCIDENT HAS TAUGHT ME ANYTHING, IT'S THAT MY EXISTENCE IS AN EXPLOIT. THANKS CRYPTIC.
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This is exactly what I came here to say: the team-ups in Tau Dewa were some of the best interactions I've had with other STO players. Way to ruin it, Cryptic.
It's exploitative behaviour of some kind.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1265971
STO's players frequently seem like victims of abuse, if you were to listen to them long enough. They don't seem like people having fun.
I know I'm not having fun since Kerrat ceased to exist for level 60 players, and restoring it clearly isn't as high a priority for Cryptic as deathstomping any attempt to circumvent the loathsome, mind-numbing grind this game's become as of late. A grind required to simply get back to where we were before it came along, mind you.
Grinding in the MMO is exploitative...:eek:
Kadir beneath Mo Moteh. Kiteo, his eyes closed. Chenza at court, the court of silence. Darmok on the ocean.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Lets say they are nerfing it, for whatever reason. Are they gonna nerf everything?
they just released a major content expansion and no one is playing it because they are all in Japori. Has it occured to anyone that the patrol missions in the delta quadrant are just as effective as the ones in Tau Dewa? Has anyone tried? You can pick up chains of them from your episode tab, get a group and do it. Maybe the xp and drops will be even Better!
Imagine how lively the Delta Quadrant would be if all the people in Japiri were spread out across it in convoys, instead of all clustered around Japori in Tau Dewa.
How good would it look for them if they could show the gaming world a brand new zone full of people playing together in groups. It wouls almost look like a healthy MMO, and it might just attract enough attention to expand the playerbase.
I know you all want to hate, and spit your vitriolic bile at the devs, but if you try to think rationally for a moment you might realize that cryptic isnt out to pop your baloon.
Ah, so that's how they'll justify the inevitable rollback - by accusing the player base of exploiting.
nerfing the upgrade drops doesnt help them.
nerfing the exp makes players play to how the devs want them to.
you can decide which one is exploitive. lol which is neither anyway.
Oh, you mean the thing that everyone was saying "DOOOOOM" over, and then was basically forgotten about after about a week or two by everyone but a select few?
Oh hey, you're actually playing something that's been in the game for almost the past year and a half and not causing it to spit out numbers that it wasn't already supposed to? EXPLOIT!!!
Edit: But seriously, this is the kind of poor PR response that any company should really be trying to avoid. If there was actually any exploit involved, then why did it take them since last May to detect it? Nope, just have to make a vague statement accusing the players of wrongdoing instead of fessing up to any possible lack of foresight on the company's part.
For Pete's sake, if you are looking for the Marks, then finish off with two Deep Space encounters. 15% for each. I sometimes run seven in a row to get the Daily done. They are quicker and work just like the system patrols. Keep going right back in.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
+1 stated perfectly sir
They couldn't even show their own face, so they used the Q account.
The thing I find most humorous about the announcement is that no Cryptic employee would have their name associated with that post. No one was willing to jump on that grenade. Instead, the company hides behind the anonymous "Q" account.
edit- wtf was that quoting about? oopsie
Can I quote you on that?
The only person in the office at this hour was probably an intern just taking advantage of the free internet connection.
You sir hit the nail on the head.
Have a cookie !
Meh, I see Smirk posting right now...so....yea...not..
You just did!
And by intended we know they really mean "because we wanted to make less story missions! ´cause story missions are like a repellent to us over at Cryptic".
I was trying to be funny. Apparently I failed *hangs head in shame*
and in their minds they are saying "DIE LITTLE ROLEPLAYERS DIE! MWHAHAHA"
I was thinking the same thing. If I didn't know better (and I don't), Id say that they're genuinely trying to make people mad.
well I just logged in and had a graphics glitch (probably my gpu being stupid) but on my screen my ship was literally a rainbow in space quite amusing
In EVE that kind of adversarial relationship would not be tolerated. Those devs would be falling on their swords and looking for work period. Say what you will about EVE but at least those devs give the illusion of working for the players. The last time devs in EVE tried to get greedy with things like monocles a statue in Jita got shot at by a lot of players and the GM had to issue an apology. Here we get accused of using an exploit. What is that exploit you may ask? *gasp* trying to level faster using legal in game means so I dunno we can keep the story going without having to grind a bunch of nonsense. Instead of crpytic GM's sitting back and saying hey at least people are grouping together and playing the game, they see trying to level as efficiently as possible as an exploit. To me an exploit would be using a broken instance that is accidentally awarding far more XP then it should be and players are trying to power grind it before it is fixed. This is doing no more then using enhanced rewards from the new difficulty setting to maximize leveling. Just unbelievable.
Oh wait and another dumb question, if using tau dewa to power level is an exploit then what do you call double XP events for players to power level their toons to 50? Because its not in official cryptic sanctioned and directed activity? How about instead of creating artificial barriers to force people to play longer and inflate your numbers you release a product that people actually want to play for the same amount of time that's actually fun and not a grind. When a player is saying to himself "TRIBBLE I have to login to do my daily" you have failed...just saying.
There is only doom and seriousness
And now I'm picturing D'angelo in his office, bashing plastic starships into each other as he says this. Then Smirk comes in to ask him about something....
"DID YOU SEE ANYTHING?!"
"No sir! I didn't see you playing with your dolls again!"
Oh, they must mean that leveling first then playing mediocre content later is EXPLOITATIVE?!?!
These dudes are seriously delusional. Then by their logic, ALL ATTEMPTS AT LEVELING OUTSIDE DQ IS EXPLOITATIVE, UP TO AND INCLUDING ALL LEGITIMATE MISSIONS, PvE, AND STF'S
Explain the logic please. I will sit here and wait.
IF YOU ARE READING MY SIG - THEN YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG