Ditto. Can't think of any offensive four letter words that fit the OP's description that would make sense in that sentence.
This thread also got me thinking how much slang differs from country to country, and that STO is a global community. I can think of several words that are offensive in the US but have different meanings in the UK, & Australia. And vice versa I know of some things that are offensive to say in those countries that most Americans wouldn't recognize.
to the OP: Will you be my "mate" (friend ?)? If that offended you, you are "*****" (weird / strange). So just put on profanity filters or hit ignore and lets have a "TRIBBLE" ( happy / fun ) ole time.
and to others i dont even think c**t would sound correct used that way. maybe revers the words Club c**t ,but welcome to the C**t club NAH .
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
In the context of the quote it's not a big deal....when it's used referring to children and being lengthy troll-fests in zone chat and still Cryptic does nothing about it?
Complacency and trivialization are the enemies here.
i disagree.
trivialization is the greatest weapon a person has against things like taboos, double standards and such. more things need to get trivialized.
people would have less ammo to use as weapons against innocents, so that getting labeled as an X isn't a grave insult that will ruin an innocent man's career or even life just because some idiot didn't like his views.
and btw. you trivialized the word yourself, comparing an underage kid's trashtalking and trying to look cool and edgy on the internet to the actual act. way to go, hypocrite.
Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of me.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
I was just in a PvP zone when a player from another zone announced in chat "welcome to the **** club, whos first?" Poor punctuation aside, I've reported the offender, and would like to encourage all of my fellow gamers to do the same when they see this kind of behavior. I'm not opposed to a bit of trash talk, but there's no room in this community for such blatantly sexist language.
What's in the asterisks? A word that starts with R and ends with A-P-E? That has nothing to do with misogyny. Men can be raped too, and I find it very offensive that you're implying otherwise.
But that's a pretty sexist thing on the OP's part to make that into a sexist/misogynistic comment rather than just a vulgar comment...and probably why it simply did not come to me, because I was looking for something that was actually misogynistic.
I can definitely see it as offensive...but not misogynistic.
Though, I guess somebody did bring up the point earlier in the thread that the word wasn't sexist.
Don't mind people yelling for me to die. That was not the implication of the language being used.
Complacency and trivialization are the enemies here.
Heh... you've never played a MMO before I take it? It used to be really bad in STO around launch, my mailbox got overloaded with mails from PvPers afterwards that they'd cut my throat, find me rl and beat me to an inch of my life etc. Obviously reported them but Cryptic/PWE never gave a sh*t so do what I did then: Ignore list!
It works and the little twits that keep yelling at you magically go silent, it's well worth it!
Oh, this is precious. Look at all the Mens' Rights idiots crawling out of the woodwork. Can't say I'm surprised, but to have them concentrated in one thread, jumping down the OP's throat is absolutely wonderful.
The MRA jihadists in here have a singular, albeit weak, point: it can happen to men, you're right, but when looking at victims in terms of sheer percentages, it's pretty clear which gender more ofen than not is target, usually systematically so, in the military, in universities, and so on.
I'd appreciate it if you would stop mislabeling people. I can't speak for everyone, but I personally do not identify as neither a feminist nor an MRA, even though by definition, I count as a feminist.
Regardless of that oversight, r*** simply isn't something to joke about. If you are all that concerned about male r***, then you would come to the same conclusion as the OP in regards to the language used in zone, instead of rushing to condemn him because of one (generally true, but perhaps in this case, misused) word.
Freaking hilarious.
But that's wrong. You're ignoring the possibility that while people can hold male and female rape equally, the same people can also consider it something to joke about, as joking about serious topics like that is a defense mechanism to help cope with the reality of it.
What's in the asterisks? A word that starts with R and ends with A-P-E? That has nothing to do with misogyny. Men can be raped too, and I find it very offensive that you're implying otherwise.
It is somethnig more commonly threatened towards women than men, and thus usually betrays a fundamental mysogynistic attitude. Unless it was used against men and women equally in the scenario described, I would assume misogyny before mere offensiveness.
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But that's a pretty sexist thing on the OP's part to make that into a sexist/misogynistic comment rather than just a vulgar comment...and probably why it simply did not come to me, because I was looking for something that was actually misogynistic.
I can definitely see it as offensive...but not misogynistic.
Though, I guess somebody did bring up the point earlier in the thread that the word wasn't sexist.
Hrmm, okay then...meh.
This.
I was thinking c**t, or maybe they miscounted the *'s and meant bi**hes. When I read that it started with R and ended with E, I was honestly stumped.
While nabreeki may, sort of, have a point, I'm not sure if the poster means it, or is following their usual M.O..
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Michael Jackson's hit songs
You can't...
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Oh, this is precious. Look at all the Mens' Rights idiots crawling out of the woodwork. Can't say I'm surprised, but to have them concentrated in one thread, jumping down the OP's throat is absolutely wonderful.
The MRA jihadists in here have a singular, albeit weak, point: it can happen to men, you're right, but when looking at victims in terms of sheer percentages, it's pretty clear which gender more ofen than not is target, usually systematically so, in the military, in universities, and so on. Not many men get honked and catcalled while walking down the street.
Regardless of that oversight, r*** simply isn't something to joke about. If you are all that concerned about male r***, then you would come to the same conclusion as the OP in regards to the language used in zone, instead of rushing to condemn him because of one (generally true, but perhaps in this case, misused) word.
Freaking hilarious.
This.
The only time that word should be used is as it was intended, to name the criminal act itself. It certainly shouldn't be used for "trash talking", "banter" or to describe an "act" within "cyber space", as to do so trivialises the word and the criminal act to which it refers.
You probably posted just to stir the thread up, but I am going to bite anyway, as even if your intent was just to troll, in this case the ends justify the means in that it still gets an important message across.. :P
I'm not sure this belongs in general discussion however.
It is somethnig more commonly threatened towards women than men, and thus usually betrays a fundamental mysogynistic attitude. Unless it was used against men and women equally in the scenario described, I would assume misogyny before mere offensiveness.
It doesn't matter how commonly it's used against either sex. If it's not specified by whom said it, it's dishonest for someone else to claim that it is sexist either way, especially when it's not directed at a certain person.
The only time that word should be used is as it was intended, to name the criminal act itself. It certainly shouldn't be used for "trash talking", "banter" or to describe an "act" within "cyber space", as to do so trivialises the word and the criminal act to which it refers.
It does no such thing. Actual rape is as big of a deal with or without this use of it.
I'm not convinced that anyone trivializes it at all other than those who claim that it trivializes it.
It doesn't matter how commonly it's used against either sex. If it's not specified by whom said it, it's dishonest for someone else to claim that it is sexist either way, especially when it's not directed at a certain person.
I don't think one is dishonest when one says to consider the term misogynistic. You can disagree with the opinion, of course, but that doesn't make the opinion dishonest.
But I also think, yes, it does matter how it's commonly used.
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I don't think one is dishonest when one says to consider the term misogynistic. You can disagree with the opinion, of course, but that doesn't make the opinion dishonest.
But I also think, yes, it does matter how it's commonly used.
I can when there is clear logic that is grounded in reality that demonstrates it. Assuming something so ignorantly is very dishonest.
I was just in a PvP zone when a player from another zone announced in chat "welcome to the **** club, whos first?" Poor punctuation aside, I've reported the offender, and would like to encourage all of my fellow gamers to do the same when they see this kind of behavior. I'm not opposed to a bit of trash talk, but there's no room in this community for such blatantly sexist language.
i honestly cant say i have seen anything very bad in chat on sto, the occational bit of friendly banter maybe, or pehaps the odd swear word cleverly disguised with expletives so only an adult would understand the comment.
but even then not directed at any one person but usually at some NCP that isnt functioning as desired.
cant say i have seen anything that is downright offensive or that would require me to report another player.
sadly i cant say the same of other MMO`s i have played on occation.
one certain tank game springs to mind strait away as a game where the players can be very rude, unfriendly and obnoxious, and that just the members of your own team, the enemy are even worse.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Yes, logging on to STO PvP, tossing around the R-word is surely a defense mechanism helping particular players cope with the serious, sad reality of r*pe, as in directing that word to other players, telling them they are getting r*ped if losing in PVP.
I wouldn't call it a defense mechanism in that case, but definitely no worse than any other words players use in that context.
Yes, this all seems well-adjusted to me, Orange, thank god you came in here and brought your high horse, your soapbox, and waved the whole thing away as just a defense mechanism. I'm sure that player really was just reaching out to others, trying to make light of his suffering.
I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you're making the sarcasm too obvious. It would be nice to engage you in an honest, rational discussion.
Please do not label me in such a manner, I'd appreciate it if you would not. I defend the positions that I feel are correct, but I am more than ready to change my mind if convinced otherwise. Throwing insults will get us nowhere. If you wish to get somewhere, you should try convincing me instead of automatically labeling me as the enemy without further thought. Automatically bringing out the "if you're not with me then you're against me" card is very unproductive.
Good Lord, I actually find myself agreeing with Nabreeki. It must truly be a sign of the end times.
He's a person just like any of us. He has thoughts and opinions, views and beliefs just like the rest of us. I'm not sure why assuming otherwise would be beneficial to anyone.
Or, he was being an a*s, knowing full-well he was being an a*s in zone, in which case, he should have been reported.
or he was just a kid, trying to look all cool and edgy. but i guess that's pretty much the same thing.
Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of me.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
I've seen and heard worse form both genders and all i do about it is laugh and move on at lest it's not as bad as tera online if this offends you tera would trigger a self induced coma.
I've seen and heard worse form both genders and all i do about it is laugh and move on at lest it's not as bad as tera online if this offends you tera would trigger a self induced coma.
the point isnt that many games are worse, the point is that this behavior is not acceptable period
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to the OP: Will you be my "mate" (friend ?)? If that offended you, you are "*****" (weird / strange). So just put on profanity filters or hit ignore and lets have a "TRIBBLE" ( happy / fun ) ole time.
and to others i dont even think c**t would sound correct used that way. maybe revers the words Club c**t ,but welcome to the C**t club NAH .
The word is R**E
In the context of the quote it's not a big deal....when it's used referring to children and being lengthy troll-fests in zone chat and still Cryptic does nothing about it?
That's when I get angry and frustrated.
trivialization is the greatest weapon a person has against things like taboos, double standards and such. more things need to get trivialized.
people would have less ammo to use as weapons against innocents, so that getting labeled as an X isn't a grave insult that will ruin an innocent man's career or even life just because some idiot didn't like his views.
and btw. you trivialized the word yourself, comparing an underage kid's trashtalking and trying to look cool and edgy on the internet to the actual act. way to go, hypocrite.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
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But that's a pretty sexist thing on the OP's part to make that into a sexist/misogynistic comment rather than just a vulgar comment...and probably why it simply did not come to me, because I was looking for something that was actually misogynistic.
I can definitely see it as offensive...but not misogynistic.
Though, I guess somebody did bring up the point earlier in the thread that the word wasn't sexist.
Hrmm, okay then...meh.
Heh... you've never played a MMO before I take it? It used to be really bad in STO around launch, my mailbox got overloaded with mails from PvPers afterwards that they'd cut my throat, find me rl and beat me to an inch of my life etc. Obviously reported them but Cryptic/PWE never gave a sh*t so do what I did then: Ignore list!
It works and the little twits that keep yelling at you magically go silent, it's well worth it!
That has exactly nothing to do with this topic.
But that's wrong. You're ignoring the possibility that while people can hold male and female rape equally, the same people can also consider it something to joke about, as joking about serious topics like that is a defense mechanism to help cope with the reality of it.
Your emotional rants are misguided, Nabreeki.
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I was thinking c**t, or maybe they miscounted the *'s and meant bi**hes. When I read that it started with R and ended with E, I was honestly stumped.
While nabreeki may, sort of, have a point, I'm not sure if the poster means it, or is following their usual M.O..
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This.
The only time that word should be used is as it was intended, to name the criminal act itself. It certainly shouldn't be used for "trash talking", "banter" or to describe an "act" within "cyber space", as to do so trivialises the word and the criminal act to which it refers.
You probably posted just to stir the thread up, but I am going to bite anyway, as even if your intent was just to troll, in this case the ends justify the means in that it still gets an important message across.. :P
I'm not sure this belongs in general discussion however.
It does no such thing. Actual rape is as big of a deal with or without this use of it.
I'm not convinced that anyone trivializes it at all other than those who claim that it trivializes it.
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But I also think, yes, it does matter how it's commonly used.
RIP George Carlin. ;_; You were a comedic legend.
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It's in the Lobi Store, but you can only use it until L50 unless you buy the upgrade for it...
It's part of the DR ops pack I think.
In response to your thread J. Jonah Jameson puts it very eloquently. <---
but even then not directed at any one person but usually at some NCP that isnt functioning as desired.
cant say i have seen anything that is downright offensive or that would require me to report another player.
sadly i cant say the same of other MMO`s i have played on occation.
one certain tank game springs to mind strait away as a game where the players can be very rude, unfriendly and obnoxious, and that just the members of your own team, the enemy are even worse.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
i cant hold it in :P DDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM
I wouldn't call it a defense mechanism in that case, but definitely no worse than any other words players use in that context.
I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you're making the sarcasm too obvious. It would be nice to engage you in an honest, rational discussion.
Please do not label me in such a manner, I'd appreciate it if you would not. I defend the positions that I feel are correct, but I am more than ready to change my mind if convinced otherwise. Throwing insults will get us nowhere. If you wish to get somewhere, you should try convincing me instead of automatically labeling me as the enemy without further thought. Automatically bringing out the "if you're not with me then you're against me" card is very unproductive.
He's a person just like any of us. He has thoughts and opinions, views and beliefs just like the rest of us. I'm not sure why assuming otherwise would be beneficial to anyone.
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We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
the point isnt that many games are worse, the point is that this behavior is not acceptable period