I guess my question is: do you really need to upgrade every single ship?
Do you fly all of them on a regular basis?
Or are you a collector who just HAS to have everything?
I have tac and sci in each faction, plus a fed engi, thats 7 toons. Each toon has ~4 ships that are fitted for different kinds of end-game content (PVP ships, PVE ships for rep grinding, heavies for CCE, carriers, and so forth), so that's ~28 total end-game ships that are built and ready for use. Every one of those now has to be upgraded or replaced to be competitive for their end-game purpose. The gear is going to be obsoleted soon as well.
So you have to pay Zen for the upgrade?, so you have some ships upgradeable for free??,so some are not upgradeable??, so what??... i'm flying a Belephoron.. yes!, tier 3, in STF, in CCE, not destroyed once!, in elite, you know why??, i know my ship, i know how to play and what to do.. it's not the ship you fly folks, it's how you fly it..
So the new ones have more abillities??, so what, i'll go down fighting... and i'll give them hell!, the missions would be more difficult.. you know what, i enyoed the bugged CCE with thousands of ships... it was fun!... and i'll continue to have fin, t6, t5-u or not
Damn Straight!!! I still have a problem with rear admiral ships getting free upgrades instead of vice admiral ships though. But what you said, is how I play too.
Attempting to wrap my head around the info dropped while I was wrapping up my afternoon at work...
Since T6 figures the +hull, +shields, +console from the "baseline" T5s (aka the RALH freebie ships at level 40), they're essentially "fleet" level ships... Is that before or after the whole upgrade path is completed?
Then 10 console T5.5s will upgrade to 11 console ships? Is the "endgame" choice going to wrap up being 11th console slot vs. 13th BOff power slot?
Especially since one can either buy a T6, run 5 levels in it to get the "class ship trait" (which can then run on all other starships) and/or just wait for the "other source of ship traits" to show up in the first DR lockbox...
I'd almost say that this is going to be competitive, if it would be possible to convince some of these set powers to cut back on timers, and only on the 11 console ships - I mean a spare Lt power on a 30 second timer's a touch more powerful than, say, a lot of these 3 minute CD consoles... But even at 1:30, those powers suddenly become very useful and on a par with this 13th slot...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Course, I've got a concern...lol...based on something Geko said in one of the podcasts (which I can't remember which one it was) in talking about options they had for continuing to provide varied ships...where he mentioned ships with two Commander slots. If that 13th ability is taking a LCdr to Cmdr...well uh...yeah, that's a different move than taking an Ens to Lt when comparing it to the -1 console, -10% hull, -10% shields of the T5-U11 boat.
Keep in mind, Geko didn't say that's what the 13th ability slot was - it was just something he was talking about in a previous podcast about possible options they had for doing more ships down the road.
We won't know what that 13th ability slot is until they tell us...
Yeah, if there is a choice between 11 consoles and 2 Cmdr. Boffs, that is no contest.
OP creates a thread stating something that's already being said in multiple other threads. I pointed that out. No conspiracy here, sorry :cool::rolleyes::D
No my topic is more "meta" in that this is an unheard of move in the MMO industry. It's a huge risk to dump a whole section of your catalog -- especially one that contains one of the main attractions of your game, namely canon starships.
I don't know you or your posting history, but I do not appreciate your childish attempts to derail the topic.
Why bother paying for ANY non tier 6 ship at all? Even if you buy an upgrade, a tier 5-u ship is still obsolete and not worth getting.
So in effect, by making tier 5-u less than tier 6 in any way, you guys are crippling your sales. No one will want the ships from the lock boxs, as they will be less than the best, so key sales will drop. Why buy a Z store ship at all? You will have to buy it, then pay for an upgrade, and it still wont be as good as a tier 6 ship.
Better to save your cash and fly around in the same tier 6 ships that everyone else is flying. You will save money. Also without the Z store sales, that will be lost across the board when people stop buying keys, and what are now substandard ships that even when upgraded stay substandard, the game will soon there after be unable to support itself and be shut down.
You people running things need to seriously re think what your doing.
My suggestion, the tier 5-u upgrade package turns a t5 into t6, adding EVERYTHING that a t6 has. Otherwise you will cripple your sales.
Good for you, you can spend mommy and daddy's money on things without any issue. The rest of us don't have that privilege and honestly the rest of us do have the right to give our complaints (or if you prefer to call it...whine) about the fleet ships. As I had stated in an earlier post, you pay on average 20 bucks for the Fleet modules, and that's only for the non-c-store variants. Cryptic in essence is pretty much saying that you're just better off paying for the T6 ships when they come out as opposed to paying 25-30 bucks to upgrade the fleet ships.
Actually, I have a job.
What's a fleet module going for on the exchange? Grind EC. It's free. Or, grind Dilithium, it's also free. Buy yourself some fleet modules. Buy the fleet variant. You haven't paid a dime, just time.
What did cryptic get? A bill for their server. That you played on. So you have to pay five bucks to get a more powerful version. How's that different than buying the regular store ships?
It takes a bit of work, yes, and like most (if not all) F2P games, there's a shortcut that costs IRL money. Nobody makes you spend it. But the servers won't pay for themselves.
Good for you, you can spend mommy and daddy's money on things without any issue. The rest of us don't have that privilege and honestly the rest of us do have the right to give our complaints (or if you prefer to call it...whine) about the fleet ships. As I had stated in an earlier post, you pay on average 20 bucks for the Fleet modules, and that's only for the non-c-store variants. Cryptic in essence is pretty much saying that you're just better off paying for the T6 ships when they come out as opposed to paying 25-30 bucks to upgrade the fleet ships.
And this is NOT good if Cryptic/PWE couldn't tell.
No my topic is more "meta" in that this is an unheard of move in the MMO industry. It's a huge risk to dump a whole section of your catalog -- especially one that contains one of the main attractions of your game, namely canon starships.
I don't know you or your posting history, but I do not appreciate your childish attempts to derail the topic.
Ignore him. There have been posters like him all day. I too would like to know which devs and what they were on when they came up with and implemented this idea.
What's a fleet module going for on the exchange? Grind EC. It's free. Or, grind Dilithium, it's also free. Buy yourself some fleet modules. Buy the fleet variant. You haven't paid a dime, just time.
What did cryptic get? A bill for their server. That you played on. So you have to pay five bucks to get a more powerful version. How's that different than buying the regular store ships?
It takes a bit of work, yes, and like most (if not all) F2P games, there's a shortcut that costs IRL money. Nobody makes you spend it. But the servers won't pay for themselves.
You are not getting it... It's not worth it anymore. Cryptic/PWE just keeps giving us the shaft over, and over, and over, and over again. Same with "repeatable content" aka grinding. We are stuck doing it over, and over, and over, and over again. MMO or not, that's wrong. I've done my bit for king and country.
FYI PWE has lost 30% of their PC gamers because of this. So I'm not the only one here who thinks this.
And this is NOT good if Cryptic/PWE couldn't tell.
That is why they got the yes man at the helm of the EP seat lol. I remember back when he took over and wrote these propaganda blogs about how well received the lockboxes were going when people were outraged about them. Then when the targ dung really hit the fan they said oh look your favorite track record EP is back. So they had this planned for quite awhile and that is why they brought back the current EP lol.
I still just find it sickening and ironic at the same time like in the case of the KDF. We pretty much have no upgrades except for the very very few c-store ships we do have on discounts for fleet modules. So what they are saying is pay out the butt hurting end just to get one that is outclassed compared to fed and romulan ships. Then still be outclassed but pay another 10 dollars/grind another 10 dollars worth out to still be not on par with the other faction ships lol. I pretty much should have given up on cryptic long before this but I knew this day was coming when it didn't mean jack to even play here anymore. Although this will be the final nail in the coffin for us veterans who did stick with them even when they royally screwed up with f2p and the season 7 TRIBBLE.
No my topic is more "meta" in that this is an unheard of move in the MMO industry. It's a huge risk to dump a whole section of your catalog -- especially one that contains one of the main attractions of your game, namely canon starships.
I don't know you or your posting history, but I do not appreciate your childish attempts to derail the topic.
I agree with you, its strange behavior. C-store T5 ship with fleet module and T5-U upgrade module is $30-40 range, and you end up with a ship that is less functional than an equivalent fleet T6 or lockbox T6 that will probably cost the same money. Only a moron would buy T5 ship now. Better to do nothing and wait to buy fleet T6, then you will have a better ship for the same cost. They are basically discouraging people from buying T5 ships, even though they do not have any T6 ships for sale right now, and will only have a handful at release. Its really weird behavior.
No my topic is more "meta" in that this is an unheard of move in the MMO industry. It's a huge risk to dump a whole section of your catalog -- especially one that contains one of the main attractions of your game, namely canon starships.
I don't know you or your posting history, but I do not appreciate your childish attempts to derail the topic.
Except they're not really tossing them out. Unless they're the type that has to have the absolute best stats for everything, people will likely stick with what they like, especially since 1) Cryptic has flat out said that even plain T5 ships will work fine for DR content, and 2) You'll be able to upgrade most of the ships currently used at endgame.
Except they're not really tossing them out. Unless they're the type that has to have the absolute best stats for everything, people will likely stick with what they like, especially since 1) Cryptic has flat out said that even plain T5 ships will work fine for DR content, and 2) You'll be able to upgrade most of the ships currently used at endgame.
Will you pay $40 for T5 with double upgrades that is inferior to T6 with one fleet upgrade?
At page 92 I suspect this will never get read by cryptic, but ah-well.
Isn't this a bit of a mistake in the long term? In the short term it seems like a very good idea, as it will force people to fork over cash. As a lifetimer it doesn't effect me as much, but its the silvers that are going to hurt.
But in the long term this raises two thoughts.
1:
Is anyone here going to invest in new T6 ships after getting the shaft over their tier 5 C-store ones? For example, we spend Zen on a new T6 ship, and then in a year or two BANG Level cap to 70! that'll be even more money please! If I was thinking of buying a new C-store ship, that'd be my first thought.
2:
having T5U and T6 ships is going to cause an issue if you do raise level cap in the future, then what's going to happen to the T5U's? You'll have T5UU's, T6U's and T7's...
So wouldn't it be more sensible from a long term stance just to say all ships get buffed to full T6, for a token cost, such as 100 zen (you know, micro transactions...).
That is why they got the yes man at the helm of the EP seat lol. I remember back when he took over and wrote these propaganda blogs about how well received the lockboxes were going when people were outraged about them. Then when the targ dung really hit the fan they said oh look your favorite track record EP is back. So they had this planned for quite awhile and that is why they brought back the current EP lol.
I still just find it sickening and ironic at the same time like in the case of the KDF. We pretty much have no upgrades except for the very very few c-store ships we do have on discounts for fleet modules. So what they are saying is pay out the butt hurting end just to get one that is outclassed compared to fed and romulan ships. Then still be outclassed but pay another 10 dollars/grind another 10 dollars worth out to still be not on par with the other faction ships lol. I pretty much should have given up on cryptic long before this but I knew this day was coming when it didn't mean jack to even play here anymore. Although this will be the final nail in the coffin for us veterans who did stick with them even when they royally screwed up with f2p and the season 7 TRIBBLE.
That blogger sounds like a typical cryptic fanboy with no basis for anything. Speaking of KDF, the c-store Mogh and Fleet mogh is the last thing I got and, like you said, we are just gonna pay more. sorry, NO. You also forgot to mention the MAJOR rep nerf with season 9. I don't grind rep anymore. only if I need the dilithium. There is no incentive now.
Fleet ships are an improvements upon Tier 5 ships. T5-U Fleet ships are improved versions of T5-U ships. But, yes you will need to pay to upgrade each ship from T5 to T5-U. My advice would be to only upgrade the ship you plan on using.
I am sure someone will eventually have problems over this.
If the T5U is cheaper then the T5F, then new players will go for the cheaper one first unless it is very, very clear that you need the more expensive upgrade first.
ETA: I didn't intend for it, but it does amuse my inner 8 year old to call the new fleet upgrades FU ships :P
So from what I read in the report, if you have, for example, a C-Store Tactical Escort Retrofit. It would be best NOT to buy the Fleet version because the upgrade would make the Fleet ship obsolete and would be a waste of Money and/or Grind to get it or will there be a special upgrade for fleet ships?
T-5 ships have 9 console slots
T-5 Fleet Ships have 10 console slots
T-5 U ships will come with how many now ???? 10 or 11
I am fine with the upgrade cost of $5 of zen. And I wish people would stop complaining about that being 5 real dollars. It doesn't really take that long to grind dilthium into 500 zen. If you have like 8 ships, I can see why that's a problem. But, if you already have 8 fancy ships, you've probably already forked over $$$. You want an upgrade that buffs your old shiny? Here is the price tag for you. Grind/wait or pay/get.
So, I'm fine with all of that.
But the T5U stuff is nonsense. Really? T5 (U)? Just make it T6. Put those bells and whistles in the T6 lock boxes or the T6 Z-store ships. Just let us upgrade our ships to T6. Nobody had to over-think this stuff to this degree.
It is confusing, and it leads to a lot of anger from people who feel invested in the ships that actually look like Fed hero ships. Things could be a lot simpler.
dude how many zen shiops have you got? how many Fleet ships? And if you have a KDF toon that becomes even more of an issue. You could spend enough zen to get a whole new ship or a bundle just trying to upgrade all your ships. Even the most conserative count is this. 2500 zen for a zen ship, 500 zen for a fleet module. another 500 to get to 5.5. so that's 3500 zen just to get a ship that will still be below that t 6 piece of TRIBBLE.
Pay once to permanently upgrade a T5 ship for all characters on your account. That's cool.
But I'm concerned about after you buy the upgrade. Will I have to level up that ship on each character, or will I only have to level up 1 ship on a single character?
I don't like the thought of having such a grind to where I would need to spend time leveling up a Fleet Avenger, for example, on multiple characters. I think leveling up ships you've bought T5U upgrades for should be an account wide permanent increase as well. Otherwise it's just another per-character reputation-like system.
You know you have a good point. Especially if you had to dismiss the ship to make room in the shipyard.
It's going to be very discouraging for players having to start at level 0 all over again. Especially if the ship leveling is slow.
So from what I read in the report, if you have, for example, a C-Store Tactical Escort Retrofit. It would be best NOT to buy the Fleet version because the upgrade would make the Fleet ship obsolete and would be a waste of Money and/or Grind to get it or will there be a special upgrade for fleet ships?
T-5 ships have 9 console slots
T-5 Fleet Ships have 10 console slots
T-5 U ships will come with how many now ???? 10 or 11
Ah, but here's the thing: There will also be Fleet T5-U ships, which means they get 11 console slots while the normal T5-Us get 10
So from what I read in the report, if you have, for example, a C-Store Tactical Escort Retrofit. It would be best NOT to buy the Fleet version because the upgrade would make the Fleet ship obsolete and would be a waste of Money and/or Grind to get it or will there be a special upgrade for fleet ships?
T-5 ships have 9 console slots
T-5 Fleet Ships have 10 console slots
T-5 U ships will come with how many now ???? 10 or 11
T5-U upgrade will add +1 console, so if you upgrade the base ship you get 9+1, if you upgrade the fleet ship you get 10+1. Also the fleet module gives +10% to hull and shields.
And after you are done with all that you only have T5-U not real T6, which probalby costs about the same, so you are better off doing nothing until the T6 ship you want is released.
From what I understood 10 console fleet ships will get a +1 so that's 11. Regular 9 console C-Store ship will get the +1 so that's 10.
Also from what believe fleet ship stats are higher then C-Store stats (minus the Odyssey of course) so your stats on a fleet version will be higher than its counterpart.
Fleet Admiral Thomas Winston James a.k.a. The Grayfox Fleet Leader of:
Liberty Task Force/Liberty Honor Guard
Pride of the Federation/Pride of the Empire
Liberty Guardians U.S.S. Liberty, NX-42813-L, T-6 Legendary Odyssey Class
Everybody kept saying "oh no they won't do that, our tier 5 ships will be fine." Yeah to a point.
Now everybody is at the point of flipping desks and I merely pointed out "this is about what I told you would happen when the first announced the upgrades, and you're shocked it's like this?"
Sorry people got deluided that PWE wouldn't do this stunt. And again I merely pointed out, if the upgrade the tier 5 U to = to tier 6, what's the point of having tier 6?
Though something funny, I'm getting 3 ship upgrades basically for free! DSD's from the winter event last year are upgrading for free. Which tickles me pink.
im sad because after like....5 fleets dying and finally finding a good fleet
i finally got the odyssey......but now its going to be obselete
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I have tac and sci in each faction, plus a fed engi, thats 7 toons. Each toon has ~4 ships that are fitted for different kinds of end-game content (PVP ships, PVE ships for rep grinding, heavies for CCE, carriers, and so forth), so that's ~28 total end-game ships that are built and ready for use. Every one of those now has to be upgraded or replaced to be competitive for their end-game purpose. The gear is going to be obsoleted soon as well.
Damn Straight!!!
Since T6 figures the +hull, +shields, +console from the "baseline" T5s (aka the RALH freebie ships at level 40), they're essentially "fleet" level ships... Is that before or after the whole upgrade path is completed?
Then 10 console T5.5s will upgrade to 11 console ships? Is the "endgame" choice going to wrap up being 11th console slot vs. 13th BOff power slot?
Especially since one can either buy a T6, run 5 levels in it to get the "class ship trait" (which can then run on all other starships) and/or just wait for the "other source of ship traits" to show up in the first DR lockbox...
I'd almost say that this is going to be competitive, if it would be possible to convince some of these set powers to cut back on timers, and only on the 11 console ships - I mean a spare Lt power on a 30 second timer's a touch more powerful than, say, a lot of these 3 minute CD consoles... But even at 1:30, those powers suddenly become very useful and on a par with this 13th slot...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Yeah, if there is a choice between 11 consoles and 2 Cmdr. Boffs, that is no contest.
No my topic is more "meta" in that this is an unheard of move in the MMO industry. It's a huge risk to dump a whole section of your catalog -- especially one that contains one of the main attractions of your game, namely canon starships.
I don't know you or your posting history, but I do not appreciate your childish attempts to derail the topic.
So in effect, by making tier 5-u less than tier 6 in any way, you guys are crippling your sales. No one will want the ships from the lock boxs, as they will be less than the best, so key sales will drop. Why buy a Z store ship at all? You will have to buy it, then pay for an upgrade, and it still wont be as good as a tier 6 ship.
Better to save your cash and fly around in the same tier 6 ships that everyone else is flying. You will save money. Also without the Z store sales, that will be lost across the board when people stop buying keys, and what are now substandard ships that even when upgraded stay substandard, the game will soon there after be unable to support itself and be shut down.
You people running things need to seriously re think what your doing.
My suggestion, the tier 5-u upgrade package turns a t5 into t6, adding EVERYTHING that a t6 has. Otherwise you will cripple your sales.
Actually, I have a job.
What's a fleet module going for on the exchange? Grind EC. It's free. Or, grind Dilithium, it's also free. Buy yourself some fleet modules. Buy the fleet variant. You haven't paid a dime, just time.
What did cryptic get? A bill for their server. That you played on. So you have to pay five bucks to get a more powerful version. How's that different than buying the regular store ships?
It takes a bit of work, yes, and like most (if not all) F2P games, there's a shortcut that costs IRL money. Nobody makes you spend it. But the servers won't pay for themselves.
Ignore him. There have been posters like him all day. I too would like to know which devs and what they were on when they came up with and implemented this idea.
Did anyone question this?
FYI PWE has lost 30% of their PC gamers because of this. So I'm not the only one here who thinks this.
Nobody who's left alive........
That is why they got the yes man at the helm of the EP seat lol. I remember back when he took over and wrote these propaganda blogs about how well received the lockboxes were going when people were outraged about them. Then when the targ dung really hit the fan they said oh look your favorite track record EP is back. So they had this planned for quite awhile and that is why they brought back the current EP lol.
I still just find it sickening and ironic at the same time like in the case of the KDF. We pretty much have no upgrades except for the very very few c-store ships we do have on discounts for fleet modules. So what they are saying is pay out the butt hurting end just to get one that is outclassed compared to fed and romulan ships. Then still be outclassed but pay another 10 dollars/grind another 10 dollars worth out to still be not on par with the other faction ships lol. I pretty much should have given up on cryptic long before this but I knew this day was coming when it didn't mean jack to even play here anymore. Although this will be the final nail in the coffin for us veterans who did stick with them even when they royally screwed up with f2p and the season 7 TRIBBLE.
[Citation needed]
I agree with you, its strange behavior. C-store T5 ship with fleet module and T5-U upgrade module is $30-40 range, and you end up with a ship that is less functional than an equivalent fleet T6 or lockbox T6 that will probably cost the same money. Only a moron would buy T5 ship now. Better to do nothing and wait to buy fleet T6, then you will have a better ship for the same cost. They are basically discouraging people from buying T5 ships, even though they do not have any T6 ships for sale right now, and will only have a handful at release. Its really weird behavior.
Except they're not really tossing them out. Unless they're the type that has to have the absolute best stats for everything, people will likely stick with what they like, especially since 1) Cryptic has flat out said that even plain T5 ships will work fine for DR content, and 2) You'll be able to upgrade most of the ships currently used at endgame.
Will you pay $40 for T5 with double upgrades that is inferior to T6 with one fleet upgrade?
Isn't this a bit of a mistake in the long term? In the short term it seems like a very good idea, as it will force people to fork over cash. As a lifetimer it doesn't effect me as much, but its the silvers that are going to hurt.
But in the long term this raises two thoughts.
1:
Is anyone here going to invest in new T6 ships after getting the shaft over their tier 5 C-store ones? For example, we spend Zen on a new T6 ship, and then in a year or two BANG Level cap to 70! that'll be even more money please! If I was thinking of buying a new C-store ship, that'd be my first thought.
2:
having T5U and T6 ships is going to cause an issue if you do raise level cap in the future, then what's going to happen to the T5U's? You'll have T5UU's, T6U's and T7's...
So wouldn't it be more sensible from a long term stance just to say all ships get buffed to full T6, for a token cost, such as 100 zen (you know, micro transactions...).
That blogger sounds like a typical cryptic fanboy with no basis for anything. Speaking of KDF, the c-store Mogh and Fleet mogh is the last thing I got and, like you said, we are just gonna pay more. sorry, NO. You also forgot to mention the MAJOR rep nerf with season 9. I don't grind rep anymore. only if I need the dilithium. There is no incentive now.
I am sure someone will eventually have problems over this.
T5 -> T5U(upgrade)
T5 -> T5F(fleet) -> T5F(fleet)U(upgrade)
But what about
T5 -> T5U -> T5FU
If the T5U is cheaper then the T5F, then new players will go for the cheaper one first unless it is very, very clear that you need the more expensive upgrade first.
ETA: I didn't intend for it, but it does amuse my inner 8 year old to call the new fleet upgrades FU ships :P
Read PWE's stock report in your newspaper.. there's your citation.
T-5 ships have 9 console slots
T-5 Fleet Ships have 10 console slots
T-5 U ships will come with how many now ???? 10 or 11
That's cute. I forgot that they only have one game... wait...
Also, you're complaining about spending money, and citing a stock report. How would their value go up, if nobody is willing to invest?
dude how many zen shiops have you got? how many Fleet ships? And if you have a KDF toon that becomes even more of an issue. You could spend enough zen to get a whole new ship or a bundle just trying to upgrade all your ships. Even the most conserative count is this. 2500 zen for a zen ship, 500 zen for a fleet module. another 500 to get to 5.5. so that's 3500 zen just to get a ship that will still be below that t 6 piece of TRIBBLE.
You know you have a good point. Especially if you had to dismiss the ship to make room in the shipyard.
It's going to be very discouraging for players having to start at level 0 all over again. Especially if the ship leveling is slow.
Ah, but here's the thing: There will also be Fleet T5-U ships, which means they get 11 console slots while the normal T5-Us get 10
T5-U upgrade will add +1 console, so if you upgrade the base ship you get 9+1, if you upgrade the fleet ship you get 10+1. Also the fleet module gives +10% to hull and shields.
And after you are done with all that you only have T5-U not real T6, which probalby costs about the same, so you are better off doing nothing until the T6 ship you want is released.
Just saying.
Also from what believe fleet ship stats are higher then C-Store stats (minus the Odyssey of course) so your stats on a fleet version will be higher than its counterpart.
Fleet Leader of:
Liberty Task Force/Liberty Honor Guard
Pride of the Federation/Pride of the Empire
Liberty Guardians
U.S.S. Liberty, NX-42813-L, T-6 Legendary Odyssey Class
Game Handle: Grayfox@GrayfoxJames
Website: https://www.libertytaskforce.com
Armada (STOFA Member Fleet): https://www.libertytaskforce.com/stofa
Discord: https://discord.gg/bGp9N7z
Twitter: STOFA@LTFGrayfox
Email: CSDynamix@Hotmail.com
im sad because after like....5 fleets dying and finally finding a good fleet
i finally got the odyssey......but now its going to be obselete
and i cant even upgrade it
at least the New T6 ship looks epic