It looks good, I like the setup, the ability, and the console. It'll be fun to experience as a fed player zipping around with an all-universal layour. I'll grind it out. Might even shell out some lobi and get the old cruiser too though.
Two things guys, both have already been said but I want to express that the people requesting this aren't alone.
I'd really like a breen bridge for these ships.
And please give us frigate pets of these in the dil store for carrier captains that can't get other frigates.
Edit: The Mk XII breen set in the lobi store would be pretty neat too. Ok, that's all of my christmas list for now.
Hopefully this answers the majority of your Plesh Brek questions. I'll be poking around in this thread to make sure I don't miss anything. I hope you all enjoy the Plesh Brek as much as I do.
Flanking damage in space huh? Is this the direction you're planning on heading(ish) with other raider-class ships?
Yes. Klingon Raiders will get the ability to Flank as well. Although Klingon Raider flanking will be slightly less powerful than the Plesh Brek Heavy Raider's Improved Flanking.
Almost full Universal BOFF laodout.
Correct. That's pretty standard for a raider.
Is the bonus to damage a bonus to base or a bonus to final?
The bonus works in the same way that buffs like Attack Pattern Alpha does, as opposed to a damage bonus granted by a tactical console.
I like it,
I also like that there was no mention of Feddie ships getting the flanking feature. .. that was my favorite part actually.
Currently Starfleet doesn't have access to Raiders. So, no starfleet ships will get getting flanking for the forseeable future.
Isn't it missing a Weapon slot? 4/2 seems kinda low, should be 4/3 shouldn't it?
Raiders have 4/2 weapon configurations, that's why this ship might appear to be short 1 rear weapon slot if you're comparing it to an escort.
Could the Aquarius and Fleet Aquarius receive this "Improved Flanking" in the future as well? In its current state the ship is terribly underpowered and such buff would surely make it at least somewhat more desirable. It would also be a great opportunity to give the Fed's their pseudo-raider without having to create a brand new ship. And Fleet Aquarius needs a buff one way or another. Think about it, Cryptic.
I agree that the Aquarius would definitely benefit from some improvement, however the Aquarius isn't intended to be a Raider. It's an escort, just not a terribly effective one at the moment.
And how much is the reduced PvP "flanking" damage?
You benefit from 1/3 of the flanking damage bonus versus players. So it's an 11% damage buff against players and a 33% damage buff against NPCs.
Why the 25% for KDF raiders? The Presh has 5 tactical consoles, kdf raiders have at best 4 (F-Hohsus) and averagely 3 (B'rel, etc). They could use the 33% a lot more.
KDF raiders have Battle Cloak and Improved Battle Cloak, the Plesh Brek does not have any sort of cloak. So, it was given a moderate flanking bonus over KDF Raiders.
I don't think I like the separation of PvE/PvP mechanics. I'd rather have a counter to it than artificial reductions.
We actually discussed this internally, and generally I agree. However, right now KDF Raiders are already viable in PvP, they're much less so in PvE. So, this upcoming change seeks to address this. In general we like to avoid powers and items having different effects versus NPCs and players. An exception was made here.
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if these are accurate, omg. thats actually better than i thought. I assumed 12.5 and a final calculator, but not a sum final calculator.
Dontdrunkimshoot is 100% correct.
I have a question about the flanking bonus - obviously useless with the Borg??
While this makes sense canonically, we prefer mechanics to work consistently and if at all possible I'd like to avoid negating a ship class' mechanic due to lore reasons. We did discuss this briefly as well.
2 eng - armor slots - 0.88 shield mod - and no cloak - how many npc's can you get behind before you are ripped apart??
With the right load out, you might be surprised how survivable and destructive this ship can be if you play to its strengths.
I wonder how to flank borg cube, or sphere...
...very carefully, but seriously, it's a little tricky to identify their rear arc, but it can be done.
If I want this ship to have it then you must make a Breen bridge.
Both the Chell Grett and the new Plesh Brek will have a breen bridge. The blog post was updated, now with screenshots of the unique bridge. Enjoy!
The enemy target interface towards the top of your screen has an arrow that points toward the current arc you are facing.
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Wha? You mean... I never noticed...!
Dang. You'd think I would have noticed something like that as long as I've been playing this game.
Couldn't you guys have put that in a tooltip somewhere? lol :rolleyes:
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My question didn't seem to be answered is if the the 25% flanking bonus is modified by the 5 second ambush cloak. I can see the lesser damage bonus if the KDF raiders having that applied to the bonus.
Other main thing I disagree with is the reduction for player issues because what happens is when something is beneficial for the KDF there are always handicaps but never for federation based even though they can get the new breen ship. If this is the case they should be getting handicaps on their kumari, vesta, avenger when it comes to pvp as well.
Is this now going to be the only bridge option for Breen ships or can we still chose our own faction bridges if we chose to?
It will be the only option for the Plesh Brek, but we didn't want to take away the faction options from the Chel Grett as players had access to them already.
My question didn't seem to be answered is if the the 25% flanking bonus is modified by the 5 second ambush cloak. I can see the lesser damage bonus if the KDF raiders having that applied to the bonus.
It sounds like you're asking if the Ambush bonus damage percentage and the Flanking bonus damage percentage stack. If so, then yes. They'll stack in the same way that powers like Attack Pattern Alpha and Attack Pattern Omega do.
getting the chel on all my engineers, cause i was lazy and only got it on 1 fed and 1 kdf each, probably get the frigate on my tacts, and on my sci's not sure yet.
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Other main thing I disagree with is the reduction for player issues because what happens is when something is beneficial for the KDF there are always handicaps but never for federation based even though they can get the new breen ship. If this is the case they should be getting handicaps on their kumari, vesta, avenger when it comes to pvp as well.
What Federation advantages? What game mechanic do Fed players have that others don't? Not C-store offerings (I prefer the KDF ones anyways), not numbers of players, but game mechanic?
1. Can these ship boxes be made bind-to-account instead of bind-to-character? It would be nice to be able to save the ship for new characters that one may create in the future.
2. Can we trade these autographed pictures of Q for something other than a ship---perhaps, fleet marks or reputation marks? Some players have pictures saved from last year, but might not want a new ship.
Hopefully this answers the majority of your Plesh Brek questions. I'll be poking around in this thread to make sure I don't miss anything. I hope you all enjoy the Plesh Brek as much as I do.
Both the Chell Grett and the new Plesh Brek will have a breen bridge. The blog post was updated, now with screenshots of the unique bridge. Enjoy!
Regards,
Phil "Gorngonzolla" Zeleski
Thanks for 'poking around'. I personally think it'd be easier to make the Aquarius a raider (so flanking, maybe a little bit more turn) and be done with it. But if you'll be updating it in any way, it's good.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Cruisers got a cruiser command to tank (higher threat and lowered threat for allies within 5 KM)
And now, we get an Flanking Bonus, which would, by chance, get you outside of the Cruisers comand range? Invalidating the whole command which enables them to hold threat against the higher dmg output of escorts?
The KDF in me says the more the merrier, but this makes no sense to give a ship that can flank any ship with zero effort a bonus.
The Raiders are the fastest and the most maneuverable ships in the game and they were designed to decloak shoot and re-cloak in a matter of seconds. Its not like they have a regular cloak were they need to wait to be out of combat to re-cloak, if that were the case then it would make sense.
Do you Devs understand that raiders don?t stay in combat longer than 30 seconds?
You (Devs) went out of your way to adjust the double Beam overload because it gave an unfair advantage to ships that have cloaks, now you are going to give them (Raiders) extra damage.
Why not just give them an instant kill and re-cloak button and give yourself the year off.
This eliminates the waste of time of trying to adjust this new ability.
Out of all the things that this game needs you guys are going to waste your time on this.
Hows about you guys start pushing out the fixes for all the new bugs that came out with season 8.
as game developers you guys really suck in pushing out new content , every content that?s come out has had more bugs issues not even related to the new content.
The new stuff I understand, but when we as players start running into bugs that have nothing to do with the new content that just shows how poorly you Devs as a team care about this game.
Everything is always on the back burner with you guys.
Why don?t you guys do your jobs and come up with fixes for all these bugs instead of adding new mechanic which will most likely be bugged and cause other stuff to be bugged
I'll be getting this ship - 'cause it's Breen, and Breen is awesome - but I must say the stats (without even regular cloak) are kind of lackluster.
I foresee this ship popping - a lot. My Corvette has:
- Better weapon slots by one aft,
- Better shields by .02
- Better inertia by 15
- One more ENG console
- More crew by 100(lol, crew!)
- 5 more bonus power
- A better impulse modifier by .03
- And a better turn rate by 2
That's not a ship that needs a cloak.
The Plesh Brek, however, has only:
- Marginally better hull (2,700 is just a few DHC hits or one super-weak BO from being zero.)
- One more TAC console
- A flanking bonus (too unreliable to be a legitimate balance for no cloak, especially with the cloaking raiders getting a [albeit slightly less powerful] version)
- A more flexible BOff setup (though the Corvette's isn't bad at all)
- And can equip the Breen consoles, though I know the first one isn't all that impressive on anything but a drain build.
Even if it got it's flanking boost reduced to that of the cloaking raiders, if it got even regular, non-battle cloak, this ship would be legitimate in comparison to the Corvette.
on the subject of this ship, a quick question about this, Designer?s Comments:
Consistently attacking an enemy's rear arc (where their aft shield facing is) can require some clever positioning, practice and planning. Flanking requires that you strike the rear arc of the target ship and will provide a 33% damage bonus. It should be noted that this damage bonus is significantly reduced against players and it doesn't apply to mines and summon powers like the Scorpion Fighter device, Gravity Well or Tyken's Rift. It does apply to all energy weapons, all torpedoes (that don't spawn mines) and damage powers like Tractor Beam and Photonic Shockwave.
It sounds like you're asking if the Ambush bonus damage percentage and the Flanking bonus damage percentage stack. If so, then yes. They'll stack in the same way that powers like Attack Pattern Alpha and Attack Pattern Omega do.
What Federation advantages? What game mechanic do Fed players have that others don't? Not C-store offerings (I prefer the KDF ones anyways), not numbers of players, but game mechanic?
Just a few examples like the bortasqu' snare there is a counter to it.
Same with teleport console there is a counter.
With this new flanking there is a counter basically with damage nerf vs players where the only other thing in the game with a nerf to it is stasis field vs players. They should just remove that 1/3 stuff though because a good pilot no matter what ship you are using isn't going to allow you to sit around hitting your flank.
My overall point though when something is heavy sided for federation only or for where mostly federation based/allied players get something there is never a pvp nerf on it. So if they plan on putting restrictions like that on a power they need to do it for both sides or none at all.
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Look at the target's statusbar and watch the shield facings, they are fore/aft/port/starboard
Two things guys, both have already been said but I want to express that the people requesting this aren't alone.
I'd really like a breen bridge for these ships.
And please give us frigate pets of these in the dil store for carrier captains that can't get other frigates.
Edit: The Mk XII breen set in the lobi store would be pretty neat too. Ok, that's all of my christmas list for now.
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yes, and its great
Your Javelin deals 125417 (89066) Disruptor Damage(Critical) to Tholian Recluse. > lol
Hopefully this answers the majority of your Plesh Brek questions. I'll be poking around in this thread to make sure I don't miss anything. I hope you all enjoy the Plesh Brek as much as I do.
Yes. Klingon Raiders will get the ability to Flank as well. Although Klingon Raider flanking will be slightly less powerful than the Plesh Brek Heavy Raider's Improved Flanking.
Correct. That's pretty standard for a raider.
The bonus works in the same way that buffs like Attack Pattern Alpha does, as opposed to a damage bonus granted by a tactical console.
Currently Starfleet doesn't have access to Raiders. So, no starfleet ships will get getting flanking for the forseeable future.
Raiders have 4/2 weapon configurations, that's why this ship might appear to be short 1 rear weapon slot if you're comparing it to an escort.
I agree that the Aquarius would definitely benefit from some improvement, however the Aquarius isn't intended to be a Raider. It's an escort, just not a terribly effective one at the moment.
You benefit from 1/3 of the flanking damage bonus versus players. So it's an 11% damage buff against players and a 33% damage buff against NPCs.
KDF raiders have Battle Cloak and Improved Battle Cloak, the Plesh Brek does not have any sort of cloak. So, it was given a moderate flanking bonus over KDF Raiders.
We actually discussed this internally, and generally I agree. However, right now KDF Raiders are already viable in PvP, they're much less so in PvE. So, this upcoming change seeks to address this. In general we like to avoid powers and items having different effects versus NPCs and players. An exception was made here.
Dontdrunkimshoot is 100% correct.
While this makes sense canonically, we prefer mechanics to work consistently and if at all possible I'd like to avoid negating a ship class' mechanic due to lore reasons. We did discuss this briefly as well.
With the right load out, you might be surprised how survivable and destructive this ship can be if you play to its strengths.
...very carefully, but seriously, it's a little tricky to identify their rear arc, but it can be done.
Both the Chell Grett and the new Plesh Brek will have a breen bridge. The blog post was updated, now with screenshots of the unique bridge. Enjoy!
Regards,
Phil "Gorngonzolla" Zeleski
I've updated the blog to add a little surprise! http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=1054921
Scroll down to the bottom :eek:
Cheers,
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Wha? You mean... I never noticed...!
Dang. You'd think I would have noticed something like that as long as I've been playing this game.
Couldn't you guys have put that in a tooltip somewhere? lol :rolleyes:
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A Breen bridge?
You sneaky devil Bran!
You shouldn't need to as there is an additional event reputation slot that was added.
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Other main thing I disagree with is the reduction for player issues because what happens is when something is beneficial for the KDF there are always handicaps but never for federation based even though they can get the new breen ship. If this is the case they should be getting handicaps on their kumari, vesta, avenger when it comes to pvp as well.
Is this now going to be the only bridge option for Breen ships or can we still chose our own faction bridges if we chose to?
It will be the only option for the Plesh Brek, but we didn't want to take away the faction options from the Chel Grett as players had access to them already.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
It sounds like you're asking if the Ambush bonus damage percentage and the Flanking bonus damage percentage stack. If so, then yes. They'll stack in the same way that powers like Attack Pattern Alpha and Attack Pattern Omega do.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
11 chars and two of them will have both ships
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What Federation advantages? What game mechanic do Fed players have that others don't? Not C-store offerings (I prefer the KDF ones anyways), not numbers of players, but game mechanic?
1. Can these ship boxes be made bind-to-account instead of bind-to-character? It would be nice to be able to save the ship for new characters that one may create in the future.
2. Can we trade these autographed pictures of Q for something other than a ship---perhaps, fleet marks or reputation marks? Some players have pictures saved from last year, but might not want a new ship.
Something for the BoPs to look forward to is nice as well, and with their cloaks, very useful.
Thanks for 'poking around'. I personally think it'd be easier to make the Aquarius a raider (so flanking, maybe a little bit more turn) and be done with it. But if you'll be updating it in any way, it's good.
Oh Cryptic, you win this one!
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Cruisers got a cruiser command to tank (higher threat and lowered threat for allies within 5 KM)
And now, we get an Flanking Bonus, which would, by chance, get you outside of the Cruisers comand range? Invalidating the whole command which enables them to hold threat against the higher dmg output of escorts?
A flanking bonus on Raiders? Why?
The KDF in me says the more the merrier, but this makes no sense to give a ship that can flank any ship with zero effort a bonus.
The Raiders are the fastest and the most maneuverable ships in the game and they were designed to decloak shoot and re-cloak in a matter of seconds. Its not like they have a regular cloak were they need to wait to be out of combat to re-cloak, if that were the case then it would make sense.
Do you Devs understand that raiders don?t stay in combat longer than 30 seconds?
You (Devs) went out of your way to adjust the double Beam overload because it gave an unfair advantage to ships that have cloaks, now you are going to give them (Raiders) extra damage.
Why not just give them an instant kill and re-cloak button and give yourself the year off.
This eliminates the waste of time of trying to adjust this new ability.
Out of all the things that this game needs you guys are going to waste your time on this.
Hows about you guys start pushing out the fixes for all the new bugs that came out with season 8.
as game developers you guys really suck in pushing out new content , every content that?s come out has had more bugs issues not even related to the new content.
The new stuff I understand, but when we as players start running into bugs that have nothing to do with the new content that just shows how poorly you Devs as a team care about this game.
Everything is always on the back burner with you guys.
Why don?t you guys do your jobs and come up with fixes for all these bugs instead of adding new mechanic which will most likely be bugged and cause other stuff to be bugged
I foresee this ship popping - a lot. My Corvette has:
- Better weapon slots by one aft,
- Better shields by .02
- Better inertia by 15
- One more ENG console
- More crew by 100(lol, crew!)
- 5 more bonus power
- A better impulse modifier by .03
- And a better turn rate by 2
That's not a ship that needs a cloak.
The Plesh Brek, however, has only:
- Marginally better hull (2,700 is just a few DHC hits or one super-weak BO from being zero.)
- One more TAC console
- A flanking bonus (too unreliable to be a legitimate balance for no cloak, especially with the cloaking raiders getting a [albeit slightly less powerful] version)
- A more flexible BOff setup (though the Corvette's isn't bad at all)
- And can equip the Breen consoles, though I know the first one isn't all that impressive on anything but a drain build.
Even if it got it's flanking boost reduced to that of the cloaking raiders, if it got even regular, non-battle cloak, this ship would be legitimate in comparison to the Corvette.
Consistently attacking an enemy's rear arc (where their aft shield facing is) can require some clever positioning, practice and planning. Flanking requires that you strike the rear arc of the target ship and will provide a 33% damage bonus. It should be noted that this damage bonus is significantly reduced against players and it doesn't apply to mines and summon powers like the Scorpion Fighter device, Gravity Well or Tyken's Rift. It does apply to all energy weapons, all torpedoes (that don't spawn mines) and damage powers like Tractor Beam and Photonic Shockwave.
just which side of a borg cube is the front?
Sci.
Yeah that was what I was referring too.
Thanks for that info
Just a few examples like the bortasqu' snare there is a counter to it.
Same with teleport console there is a counter.
With this new flanking there is a counter basically with damage nerf vs players where the only other thing in the game with a nerf to it is stasis field vs players. They should just remove that 1/3 stuff though because a good pilot no matter what ship you are using isn't going to allow you to sit around hitting your flank.
My overall point though when something is heavy sided for federation only or for where mostly federation based/allied players get something there is never a pvp nerf on it. So if they plan on putting restrictions like that on a power they need to do it for both sides or none at all.