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Season 8 Dev Blog #27

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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    towani wrote: »
    WOW. If I got a ship from a lockbox that was Hull Strength: 29,700
    Shield Modifier: 0.88 - I'd be REALLY UPSET! That's terrible.

    Those are above average stats for a raider. Take a look at the KDF raider class and see.
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    westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,247 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    It stll doesn't have battle cloak so that's one reason why it got higher hull and more flanking bonus.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    woerligen wrote: »
    Does the ship have a unique prefix, something like CSS (Confederacy StarShip) or BSS (Breen Starship)?

    Great to see the nimble ship put in the spotlight again. :cool:
    Or BCS? (Breen Confederacy Ship)
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    towanitowani Member Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Those are above average stats for a raider. Take a look at the KDF raider class and see.

    So I'm not / wasn't familiar with Klingon and/or raider ships. I've flown the Fleet MVAE and Breen ship, and recently the Avenger throughout the past 18 months. So the state on that new Breen ship just seemed terribly low. But, if it's in line with other raider / SCI ships, then so be it. But wow, they must be at a serious disadvantage, lol ;)
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    f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Or BCS? (Breen Confederacy Ship)

    Not sure about that but I do know you can remove the prefix ... select "none" at least.
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    f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    towani wrote: »
    So I'm not / wasn't familiar with Klingon and/or raider ships. I've flown the Fleet MVAE and Breen ship, and recently the Avenger throughout the past 18 months. So the state on that new Breen ship just seemed terribly low. But, if it's in line with other raider / SCI ships, then so be it. But wow, they must be at a serious disadvantage, lol ;)

    Sounds like you like heavier ships which is still cool.

    If you already have the previous breen ship ... You might go for this new one just for the console.

    Even if the ship isn't for you, you might like the console on your other breen ship + the set bonus for having both.
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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    towani wrote: »
    So I'm not / wasn't familiar with Klingon and/or raider ships. I've flown the Fleet MVAE and Breen ship, and recently the Avenger throughout the past 18 months. So the state on that new Breen ship just seemed terribly low. But, if it's in line with other raider / SCI ships, then so be it. But wow, they must be at a serious disadvantage, lol ;)

    No worries. Raiders are generally squishy but their Universal Slots and other advantages make up for it on most builds. The new Flanking mechanic will hopefully bring them back to parity for gameplay.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

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    f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    No worries. Raiders are generally squishy but their Universal Slots and other advantages make up for it on most builds. The new Flanking mechanic will hopefully bring them back to parity for gameplay.

    You going for the new ship?
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    dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    towani wrote: »
    I was so excited about this ship until I saw it wasn't an end game ship (T4 at best). Therefore, it's useless.

    FAIL. Should have made it a T5 ship.

    Has 10 consoles, full boff stations, max raider weapons and turn rate/speed is super high....ya I'd say it's t5 bro
    Chive on and prosper, eh?

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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    genhauk wrote: »
    You going for the new ship?

    Yes. I already have the breen cruiser.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    genhauk wrote: »
    Not sure about that but I do know you can remove the prefix ... select "none" at least.
    It was a suggestion. AFAIK this ship doesn't have a special prefix. :(
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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    towani wrote: »
    WOW. If I got a ship from a lockbox that was Hull Strength: 29,700
    Shield Modifier: 0.88 - I'd be REALLY UPSET! That's terrible.
    Free advice: Dont ever buy a fleet BOP cause they have less hull
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    burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Yes. I already have the breen cruiser.

    As only my sci fed has the breen cruiser, I plan to get him the raider (for the console set - I'm not playing a fed in a ship thats more kdf than a sodding bop)

    My KDFs...
    my Norgh tac will get the raider (so I can set it up identically and see just how good it is)
    My carrier jockeys...can stay carrier-ing
    My kdf sci... has a corvette atm, but the raider looks far more sci- tilted potentially, perfect for a corvette-speed sci spammer
    My kdf eng... Likely will stick with the corvette as hes an Ork and 'Red wunz goez fasta'

    ...My romulans really do not need such ships as I got a scimtar pack... and flying them is easy massacre mode by numbers

    IF I could run my rommies to get account bound ships so I could give my kdfs the other ship I would (the lobi consortium can kiss my [redacted] if they think I'll pay for the glossies) , but as it is...I'll only be running three, possibly four toons this year
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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Free advice: Dont ever buy a fleet BOP cause they have less hull

    You sure? My Fl. Brel and Fl.HoH have more hull than their former versions.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

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    oakland4lifeoakland4life Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Free advice: Dont ever buy a fleet BOP cause they have less hull

    I have bought a Fleet B'rel and it done wonders of bringing death to fed players in PvP ^_^

    Not sure why ppl complaining about Breen raider ship stats and saying it's weak or claiming it's not a T5 ship which it's clearly is T5 and clearly not weak under a good player. Also i'm not sure why ppl complaining about KDF Raider having a flanking ability, do they even understand that even with this flanking ability that raiders will still be offensively weaker (by stat terms) compare to most Fed Escorts and Rom Tactical Warbirds? not to mention that this aft flaking ability damage will be reduce vs players in PvP to 1/3.

    My question is why reduce the Raider flanking damage ability in PvP to begin with? does Cryptic even know that the main reason of the successes of the BoP in PvP is because KDF have better PvP players in general terms when compared to their Fed counterparts? i've seen KDF PvP players flown the Jem'Hadar Attack Ships (a Lock Box Ship) far better to most Feds using that same ship in PvP, does not mean the KDF version is OP because it's not, since every faction player can use it.

    But what interests me the most is Cryptic mentions they gonna add minor improvements to KDF raiders... maybe a slight hull increase? slight speed mod. increase? or even a 12th boff ability with possible a 5 Boff station?... only time will tell.


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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    You sure? My Fl. Brel and Fl.HoH have more hull than their former versions.
    Fleet ships get 10% bonus over the retrofits, but he was complaining about the 29,700 capacity, which is more than any fleet BOP has. http://sto.gamepedia.com/Raider take a look

    29700 is the same as a Fleet T'varo
    But what interests me the most is Cryptic mentions they gonna add minor improvements to KDF raiders... maybe a slight hull increase? slight speed mod. increase? or even a 12th boff ability with possible a 5 Boff station?... only time will tell.
    I have been asking for a buff to hull so they could survive in furballs a little better, and also been asking for a buff to impulse so that they could be more effective against fast attack ships. I would like to see consoles redistributed too. Basically the ships should be tuned for piloting, rather than being crutched up with buffs to moar damage.
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    bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Flanking damage makes perfect sense to me as a dynamic for a class of ship designed for fast or surprise attacks and Targ pack tactics.


    You mean I'm not supposed to tank in my BoP?

    It explains so much....

    ;)
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    sarvour0sarvour0 Member Posts: 382 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    ?Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Ensign Universal, 2 Lieutenant Universal, 1 Lieutenant Commander Universal
    ?Console Modifications: 5 Tactical, 2 Engineering, 3 Science

    Are these stats for real? If so then this ship is anything but useless! This is one of the most versatile builds i've seen yet!

    Not a Science vessel, but one most of my Sci Cpts can have fun with! Adding 'dusting off ye olde DHCs' to holiday cleaning! Though i doubt i'll be able to pry my 1st Sci from his Chel Grett, even if i had a legion of Klingon Warriors to do so...

    The decisions i have to make for the QWW events just got 10,000x harder...
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    reximuzreximuz Member Posts: 1,172 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    The enemy target interface towards the top of your screen has an arrow that points toward the current arc you are facing.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=

    This is the wrong answer, Borg Ships don't have a front or back, and should not be able to be flanked.

    I realize from a programming standpoint its difficult to program a borg to act like it has no front or back, but the combat rules should at least act like it does.
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    zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    bluegeek wrote: »
    You mean I'm not supposed to tank in my BoP?

    It explains so much....

    ;)

    I can tank in a bop but its something you need lots of experience to pull off. Also some view it as squishy but its designed for you to use high regen items as well as to constantly be on the move.
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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    bluegeek wrote: »
    You mean I'm not supposed to tank in my BoP?

    It explains so much....

    ;)

    Ive only ever met one BoP healer. He was pure heal though with no damage, and was very very good at it.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
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    killdozer9211killdozer9211 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    woerligen wrote: »
    Does the ship have a unique prefix, something like CSS (Confederacy StarShip) or BSS (Breen Starship)?

    Great to see the nimble ship put in the spotlight again. :cool:

    That would be a great touch, I hope they consider that.
    Or BCS? (Breen Confederacy Ship)

    Seems the most fitting, but I like CSS too. Either would work!
    wayofdera wrote: »
    I would just like a playable Suliban race. That's all I want for Christmas.:(

    Funny story, in a dev blog Q&A interview type deal before LoR dropped but after they had shown us the first few missions, suliban boffs were requested and we were told it was almost certain and that we'd at least get the parts in the alien generator for our captains. Looks like we only ever got doffs though and no one cared enough to push for it.


    Also, devs, thanks for the bridge, it looks great! Now about those frigate pets...
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    jelly0jelly0 Member Posts: 560 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I was hoping I could get the ship I missed out on last year :(
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    lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    jelly0 wrote: »
    I was hoping I could get the ship I missed out on last year :(
    You can. Just run the Chel Grett project instead of the Plesh Brek project.

    If you have Photos saved from last year and/or are willing to spend (possibly a lot) of Lobi, you can get both ships this year.

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    breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    So, the two ship projects for the Winter Event are:

    Claim a Breen Cruiser
    Claim a Breen Raider

    Does the Breen Cruiser this year differ from the Chel Grett last year, and does the Breen Cruiser we get this year have access to any of the Cruiser Commands?
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    meimeitoo wrote: »
    I do not like Geko ether.
    iconians wrote: »
    With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.​​
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    it's the same Chel grett, and AFAIK no.
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    breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    it's the same Chel grett, and AFAIK no.

    So it's still not actually a Cruiser, it's a Destroyer, to clarify? We should still not expect a Cruiser when we queue the project, correct?
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    meimeitoo wrote: »
    I do not like Geko ether.
    iconians wrote: »
    With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.​​
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    lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    So it's still not actually a Cruiser, it's a Destroyer, to clarify? We should still not expect a Cruiser when we queue the project, correct?
    ...I can tell you this right now though... the Chel' Grett is considered a destroyer, so it will not get cruiser commands.

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    breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited December 2013

    Oh, that I'd seen, I just wondered if there was a variant being introduced with the Winter Event this year since it says "Claim a Breen Cruiser" not "Claim a Breen Destroyer". I was hoping the project name was intentional, rather than a mistake, since the Winter Event started after the old Chel Grett was given Destroyer status by the devs. Plus, the Raider gets the Flanking that will be applied to all Raiders, whereas the Cruiser does not get the Commands that apply to all Cruisers.

    Just a text error, but it got my hopes up a tad.
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    meimeitoo wrote: »
    I do not like Geko ether.
    iconians wrote: »
    With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.​​
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    lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Oh, that I'd seen, I just wondered if there was a variant being introduced with the Winter Event this year since it says "Claim a Breen Cruiser" not "Claim a Breen Destroyer". I was hoping the project name was intentional, rather than a mistake, since the Winter Event started after the old Chel Grett was given Destroyer status by the devs. Plus, the Raider gets the Flanking that will be applied to all Raiders, whereas the Cruiser does not get the Commands that apply to all Cruisers.

    Just a text error, but it got my hopes up a tad.
    Ah. I see your confusion/basis of hope. It's just one of those annoying inconsistencies with the game. The Breen Chel Grett is labeled a Cruiser, but it's considered a Destroyer. Don't ask me why they don't rename it to Breen Chel Grett Destroyer. :rolleyes:

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