More like they allocated too many of STO's shards to Neverwinter and now they just lack the hardware capacity. I understand the need for queues to keep the login servers from crashing.. But when you get into 10,000 - 25,000 person queues, that just shows that they don't have the maximum server capacity that should be expected in almost any modern MMO. The only way this is going to be fixed? Is if they upgrade the hardware, allocate shards back to STO, or if 10,000 - 25,000 people quit.
Which brings me back to my point from yesterday. Why in the name of Q would you ever have multiple games on a single server network. That's crazy. Star Trek should have an independent server, flat out.
I hope they're learning their lesson on this.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
A new Star Trek movie came out recently and with this anticipated update with playable Romulans coming to the game how could anyone not expect a lot of people coming to try to play the game?
This is Star Trek their are a lot of fans from all over the world I am not surprised one bit by how many are trying to play the game except I though their would be even more.
I do not know how anyone could not of expected a large number of players showing up. They should of been prepared for this many people after all we are not talking about millions or even hundreds of thousands. I have seen games with no such fan base that Star Trek has be able to handle a large increase of players showing up why cant they handle it for this game?
That's exactly what I was saying, though. I think you're applying knowledge we have now to a situation that existed before we had that knowledge, and I think you're wrong for doing so. They could have done everything they could think of, but I don't think they could have anticipated the volume of people coming in.
Boy is it ever nice to be logged in with my Silver account. Wait times, amirite, Gold players?
Seriously, that's the level of maturity we're getting from Subscribers. I almost expect them all to be 13 year old girls with divorced parents and iPhones.
More like they allocated too many of STO's shards to Neverwinter and now they just lack the hardware capacity. I understand the need for queues to keep the login servers from crashing.. But when you get into 10,000 - 25,000 person queues, that just shows that they don't have the maximum server capacity that should be expected in almost any modern MMO. The only way this is going to be fixed? Is if they upgrade the hardware, allocate shards back to STO, or if 10,000 - 25,000 people quit.
Come on Cryptic, I feel Like a second class citizen here. You want people to play the game, but you make them wait. What if a new player wanted to login? His first impression of the game would be him waiting 8 hours to play. Thats a great way to promote your game.
I suspect what happened was that Starfleet Dental (or some other hackers) loaded up a lot of dummy players to fill the servers with idle people. There is no way that the Devs could have put the entire game on a server that cannot handle the typical load of players, and no way that -200,000- new players -on top of- the number of players that were currently playing came onto the scene right after a patch.
Sorry, but having not been able to get into the game -at all- for the last two hours because of a 150,000 player queue is beyond unbelievable. It's either a bug, a hack, or the Devs are completely incompetent in how they set up their game server. Of those three, I find the second the most probable, as I know they'd have stated it was a bug (not 'we're trying to get you into the game as soon as possible'), and no one this bad at their job would have any right to keep it.
So...a hack.
Let's hope the Devs catch them soon.
You might be onto something there, but not exactly right.
I recall seeing some FAQs where it was mentioned that you can have multiple characters on one profile exchange dilithium to a single character, thus getting around the limit on how much you can refine in one day.
With the launch of the expansion, you likely have a number of people running multiple laptops with multiple characters to harvest large quantities of dilithium and running the Duty Officers to get as much of the new goodies as possible in as shot a period of time as possible.
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
I don't know why it takes 3 hours to play a on line free game I put money in this game for my self an my crew an ships its like pay me an then wait this is worse than second life at least it will handle 50,00 pleolpe at one time on there server
Why couldn't they take a lesson from the best online game launch of all time...
Unreal Tournament 2k4
Hundreds of thousands of users, no crashes, no queues and that was almost 10 years ago, I'm sure technology has improved since then.
Reading on the Xbox One launch, Xbox Live currently runs on 15,000 servers. When Xbox One launches that's getting upped to 300,000.
Now we know neither Cryptic nor Perfect world have the cash to put that much in, nor any need for that matter, but seriously, isn't it better to have and not need than to need and not have.
And in total agreement on the rationale of just renting extra servers for the month.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
Which brings me back to my point from yesterday. Why in the name of Q would you ever have multiple games on a single server network. That's crazy. Star Trek should have an independent server, flat out.
I hope they're learning their lesson on this.
Ask EA Games, they're the ones who wrote the book for that business model :mad:
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Which brings me back to my point from yesterday. Why in the name of Q would you ever have multiple games on a single server network. That's crazy. Star Trek should have an independent server, flat out.
I hope they're learning their lesson on this.
Their games are on separate servers. When STO underwent maintenance last night, I logged out, and logged in to Neverwinter. Ran a dungeon. By the time I was done, STO was back up. Log off NW, log back into STO. There was no que.
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pissed me off last night, after hours of waiting, I finally got on, only to get a message that they are shutting down in 15 min for maint. All I could do was laugh...
Does anyone really expect Cryptic to invest in additional servers in order to tolerate an influx of players that will only last... a week? a month maybe?
Don't get me wrong, long term, STO will have more people playing because of the expanded content; but numbers like we're seeing this week will not last. You can't expect them to invest in major expansion to cover a relatively short term deluge of interest.
These log on queues are a sign that Cryptic probably played this whole thing correctly from a business standpoint. And when Cryptic plays things correctly, the game does better for everyone in the long run.
Jolan Tru, Cryptic. I'll be patient in my queue, and I'll enjoy the game when I get in.
!00% correct in your statements...but...
that issue brings along ethical questions, not from a moralism point of view, but from a behaviour perpective one must have in any seller-customer relation.
When i buy a given product i should not be "expecting" anything...im not opening a Christmas gift or a pandora box. No! Im exchanging my money for a selected product or service, wich i demand to be as described/reported.
So, what can you say to everyone that spent their money in this game, and now waiting in a Q to play?
They will have to w8 in the Q to play, rested assure that by next week half of the players already left the game, so then they can play STO with the same number of ppl it had before this expansion.
Their games are on separate servers. When STO underwent maintenance last night, I logged out, and logged in to Neverwinter. Ran a dungeon. By the time I was done, STO was back up. Log off NW, log back into STO. There was no que.
More like they allocated too many of STO's shards to Neverwinter and now they just lack the hardware capacity. I understand the need for queues to keep the login servers from crashing.. But when you get into 10,000 - 25,000 person queues, that just shows that they don't have the maximum server capacity that should be expected in almost any modern MMO. The only way this is going to be fixed? Is if they upgrade the hardware, allocate shards back to STO, or if 10,000 - 25,000 people quit.
is that they actually swapped memory from STO to NW?
That seems like a serious waste of time now.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
honestly hope you don't get D/C'd... i'd laugh too hard
its weird, yesterday i finished work 2 hours later then today and got in the Q at 5378... today 2 hours earlier and im 18k.... why are there more people now! lol TRIBBLE
*sighs* Two hours fifteen minutes waiting, disconnected, was 5,095/18,240
Now I'm 18,044/18,057
Lets see where I am two hours from now.
At least I've had enough time to think up names for my Romulan character and ship - _ -
That's a good idea...I mean I'm not starting my Romulan til probably Friday, but thinking about the naming and such ahead of time makes sense.
It's sad you don't get to see New Romulus on the queue screen. It at least moves.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
In other words, the game is actually slowly dying and they know it, and outside of a few incidents of rubbernecking, the population isn't increasing, because if it were, they'd need that extra horsepower anyway. So rather than expanding space to deal with increased growth, they're going to wait it out because they know there isn't going to be any, despite their public claims to the contrary.
This is an entirely reasonable position to take. It is also a strong vote of no confidence from the insiders themselves. Combined with the LTS "sale", it becomes clear that they're trying to sell tickets on a sinking ship.
Think about that when you consider your LTS purchase: Cryptic, by their own actions, admits this game is dying. Perhaps slowly, but dying nonetheless. They may claim otherwise, but actions speak louder than words, and a non-expansionistic policy is a demonstration that they are planning for slow death.
Yes...but no. See, they did the same thing when Neverwinter went live. HUUUUGE ques ...and a solution to the que. They gave a link to the Founders of the North pack, which put you to the front of the ques.
Less then a week later, the servers got pumped and the ques went away. My suggestion, dont get scammed into buying the LTS package, and wait about a week or so. (Maybe as little as a few more days)
A few days, the ques will vanish, and they will go back to selling massive amounts of keys and ships at 50$ a pop.
(BTW, check out the "set" where you have to buy two c store ships to get it...)
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well was gonna buy life member ship before patch but thought id wait till after , now im glad i did ,waiting in a que no thanks you having a laugh right???
paying for life time membership now = 0 %
if i pay for something i want to play it not wait in a que for 1 hour then play , i only usually get 1 to 2 hours to play anyway , so now it would be a waste of time paying for something i wouldn't be able to play because of the que time
can i ask those of you who actually have brains why asking for a free item like skill point boost or duty officer pack is being met with such resistance. most people think i'm asking for a handout but i'm not. my thinking is that buy giving us a free minor item gift
1. they are apologizing and
2. there giving it cause the want us to stay
im not begging or trying to force anything but i wanna understand why the idea is being resisted so much. am i wrong in thinking this error is beyond unacceptable and that should a been prepared for it and should apologize
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What's this about a free ship I keep reading on here?
Unreal Tournament 2k4
Hundreds of thousands of users, no crashes, no queues and that was almost 10 years ago, I'm sure technology has improved since then.
Which brings me back to my point from yesterday. Why in the name of Q would you ever have multiple games on a single server network. That's crazy. Star Trek should have an independent server, flat out.
I hope they're learning their lesson on this.
That's exactly what I was saying, though. I think you're applying knowledge we have now to a situation that existed before we had that knowledge, and I think you're wrong for doing so. They could have done everything they could think of, but I don't think they could have anticipated the volume of people coming in.
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Seriously, that's the level of maturity we're getting from Subscribers. I almost expect them all to be 13 year old girls with divorced parents and iPhones.
You might be onto something there, but not exactly right.
I recall seeing some FAQs where it was mentioned that you can have multiple characters on one profile exchange dilithium to a single character, thus getting around the limit on how much you can refine in one day.
With the launch of the expansion, you likely have a number of people running multiple laptops with multiple characters to harvest large quantities of dilithium and running the Duty Officers to get as much of the new goodies as possible in as shot a period of time as possible.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Reading on the Xbox One launch, Xbox Live currently runs on 15,000 servers. When Xbox One launches that's getting upped to 300,000.
Now we know neither Cryptic nor Perfect world have the cash to put that much in, nor any need for that matter, but seriously, isn't it better to have and not need than to need and not have.
And in total agreement on the rationale of just renting extra servers for the month.
"SWEET JESUS ITS TAKING LONG ENUFF"
Ask EA Games, they're the ones who wrote the book for that business model :mad:
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Their games are on separate servers. When STO underwent maintenance last night, I logged out, and logged in to Neverwinter. Ran a dungeon. By the time I was done, STO was back up. Log off NW, log back into STO. There was no que.
Come join the 44th Fleet.
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!00% correct in your statements...but...
that issue brings along ethical questions, not from a moralism point of view, but from a behaviour perpective one must have in any seller-customer relation.
When i buy a given product i should not be "expecting" anything...im not opening a Christmas gift or a pandora box. No! Im exchanging my money for a selected product or service, wich i demand to be as described/reported.
So, what can you say to everyone that spent their money in this game, and now waiting in a Q to play?
They will have to w8 in the Q to play, rested assure that by next week half of the players already left the game, so then they can play STO with the same number of ppl it had before this expansion.
Is that what we should say?
is that they actually swapped memory from STO to NW?
That seems like a serious waste of time now.
And closing.
Hmph, he'll be back.
Now I'm 18,044/18,057
Lets see where I am two hours from now.
At least I've had enough time to think up names for my Romulan character and ship - _ -
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
honestly hope you don't get D/C'd... i'd laugh too hard
its weird, yesterday i finished work 2 hours later then today and got in the Q at 5378... today 2 hours earlier and im 18k.... why are there more people now! lol TRIBBLE
That's a good idea...I mean I'm not starting my Romulan til probably Friday, but thinking about the naming and such ahead of time makes sense.
It's sad you don't get to see New Romulus on the queue screen. It at least moves.
VERY, VERY, VERY small..... they aren't meant to handle this load but they'll eventually think something up
Yes...but no. See, they did the same thing when Neverwinter went live. HUUUUGE ques ...and a solution to the que. They gave a link to the Founders of the North pack, which put you to the front of the ques.
Less then a week later, the servers got pumped and the ques went away. My suggestion, dont get scammed into buying the LTS package, and wait about a week or so. (Maybe as little as a few more days)
A few days, the ques will vanish, and they will go back to selling massive amounts of keys and ships at 50$ a pop.
(BTW, check out the "set" where you have to buy two c store ships to get it...)
paying for life time membership now = 0 %
if i pay for something i want to play it not wait in a que for 1 hour then play , i only usually get 1 to 2 hours to play anyway , so now it would be a waste of time paying for something i wouldn't be able to play because of the que time
1. they are apologizing and
2. there giving it cause the want us to stay
im not begging or trying to force anything but i wanna understand why the idea is being resisted so much. am i wrong in thinking this error is beyond unacceptable and that should a been prepared for it and should apologize