The D"Deridex was also supposed to have more firepower then the Galaxy, which is why Picard was always hesitant to fight one solo, and prefered to talk, or have allies like Klingon Vorcha's show up to help. I don't think the Enterprise itself ever managed to solo a D'Deridex.
So if it turns slower but has DHCs it WOULD have more firepower than a Galaxy. As far as piccard.. well, you know, it was picard for crying out loud! The poster child for lame captainship in any combat situation.
So if it turns slower but has DHCs it WOULD have more firepower than a Galaxy. As far as piccard.. well, you know, it was picard for crying out loud! The poster child for lame captainship in any combat situation.
Maybe the fact he did carry hundreds of civilians did affect his available options. But what can I know ?
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I honestly don't know what people are expecting here. The D'Deridex has always been a huge whale, even more than the Galaxy. Expecting anything higher than the turnrate of a carrier or dreadnought is a silly fantasy.
anyone who saw the episodes of the romulan d'deridex in TNG will realize the thing is alot more maneuverable then is given credit for. while isnt have the outright manuverability of something like a Prometheus class ship, it isnt far behind that. the only thing it really lacks is a strong warp speed, these things usually cant go above warp 8, even if they did go over the warp limit for extended travel time it would burn out the engines. so the original warbird the t4 ship would have no higher then a singularity core that can take the engines no faster then that unless equipped with borg engines. as for the retrofit, thats another matter entirely since stuff would be replaced. when in local space its maneuverable enough and quick despite the thoughts of it being heavy.
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We have never seen a Warbird make any kind of high-speed maneuver outside of very brief bursts explainable by EM. The rest of the time it just sits there, being fat and warbirdy.
The bigger question is, "Why can't it do any of the things we presently see it do in game?". It has no boff seating for VM, PSW, or any of the nasty things it does to you in-game.
But yeah, you're stuck with the D'Derpidex. You knew it was gonna be bad the moment they said "Firepower Comparable To a Galaxy".
People need to calm the eff down. What's on Tribble right now is very unlikely to be the final stage of the ships. You're all in danger of working yourselves into another foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy about the Romulan faction being shortchanged, just like you did with the announcement.
Just sit down and watch, stop speculating yourselves into disappointment.
no. Cryptic has a really bad track record on this kind of issue so piping up NOW is the right time to do it. Especially if they expect people to dump money on their expansion.
hmm a turn rate of 2 huh? it makes my ATROX turn like a sci ship lol...edit: i did read on another thread that it has a 5.5 turnrate...
and WTH devs.....TAC and ENG based -_- is should be tac and sci based to match the NPC version...this will make me hold off on that legacy pack thats for sure....not until we get official stats..
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yup i saw that...Boff layout is TRIBBLE though from what I've read...why do the devs have to be lazy (great job with the story so far for the romulans though)and copy/paste.....especially of a ship that has been yelled about for months now at how bad it is.
Lame, really, really lame. I started new toon to get myself up to speed (after some break) with game and PvP so that I can fly a DD. But now there is no reason too. For cloak? Gal-X seems to be better choice in that case.
They should have made D'Deridex a battleship - with tac layout and battlecloak (or whatever romulan equivalent). Big, slow turning with enough firpower to decloak and alpha strike someone and the hide again.
Lame, really, really lame. I started new toon to get myself up to speed (after some break) with game and PvP so that I can fly a DD. But now there is no reason too. For cloak? Gal-X seems to be better choice in that case.
They should have made D'Deridex a battleship - with tac layout and battlecloak (or whatever romulan equivalent). Big, slow turning with enough firpower to decloak and alpha strike someone and the hide again.
Cmdr.
lt.cmdr. lt. lt.,
ens.
But with that setup, it would not be true to the IP and had not "roughly the same" firepower as Galaxy and be "tougher" than Galaxy. Kind of dilemma here we have. They made the Galaxy so bad, that now when you use it as benchmark for similar ships, you will always end up with a crappy ship.
There is only one way out of this mess. Improve the Galaxy, improve the D'Deridex...
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cheyenne: "heavy cruiser"
Dimensions : Length : 394 m2
Beam : 250 m
Height : 113 m
Decks : 20
Mass : 1,305,000 metric tons
turn rate 8 source
its pretty obvious where the devs interests are.
unless the deri gets re-branded it will get scudded hardcore, because if it didnt there would be no room for the excuses used to leave the big ships in this game as targets for ships that amount to being star fighters. and no excuse for leaving similar sized ships so out of whack with each other just to keep the bogus 'class' stats.
Did...did you just use DITL.org as a source?
Seriously?
Everything on that page that is in white letters in fanfiction and the guy who made the site even admitted it sometimes contradicts established facts.
I suggest you read the colour key (a button in the upper right corner) for that site.
"White Text : Anything in white is my own invention. Sometimes this is just extrapolation - I guesstimated that the Nebula class has eight phaser arrays compared to the Galaxy classes twelve, for example, because the Nebula class is slightly smaller so probably slightly less powerful. But here and there I have gone into invention meltdown, inventing entire histories for ships about which we know little. Now and again I have even made up new backgrounds to known events just to make them sound a bit more dramatic. So be warned, if it's in white you can take it or leave it!"
But with that setup, it would not be true to the IP
Actually, it would. There was episode with DD going out of cloak with alpha strike on Enterprise-D, crippling her with one pass. such setup would be perfectly true to the IP. Each time DD was fighting in the open it was loosing. Each time it was showing knifes in the enemy backs out of cloak - it was master of the day.
Actually, it would. There was episode with DD going out of cloak with alpha strike on Enterprise-D, crippling her with one pass. such setup would be perfectly true to the IP. Each time DD was fighting in the open it was loosing. Each time it was showing knifes in the enemy backs out of cloak - it was master of the day.
But it would not happen. Not in Escorts Online.
Judging by series appearence can be misleading. The only time you saw G-X on screen for example, it shoot through Negh'Var and destroyed it before it could do anything...?
The moral of the story is. STO DD is going to be bad, because G-R is bad..or rather because the dev responsible for it's stats stubborny refuses to admit it.
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I would rather believe that the dev in question has some reasons for believing that a boff layout like that of the Galaxy-R is actually useful for something. I wonder what those reasons might be, though.
Maybe they will update more engineer boff abilities in the coming weeks?
Maybe in this decade, yes. But maybe not.
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I've flown Pretty much every ship in the game. The Galaxy Layout IS THE MOST USELESS. Three fracking Ensign Engineers. THREE. Emergency Power to I'm Screwed now. Seriously. If they want this ship as well as the Negh'var and the Galaxy Retrofit to get ANY good use they need to create NEW Ensign Level Abilities for Tac, Sci and Eng. Because this is getting annoying. This game is Three years old now and the only new abilities have come from Universal Consoles. CAN WE HAVE SOME CREATIVITY PLEASE. every ship build has been done to death. Even as a PVPer I think of builds in my sleep and it pains me to even look at These three ships now.
2.) The boff layout does look sub-optimal, especially given the so-far-unrecanted changes to Emergency Power skills. It used to be that a layout like this invited dual copies of EPTW1 and an engineering team, which was alright.
3.) As far as ship metrics.. That 2 is supposed to be a 5, pretty much guaranteed. Yes, with a turn rate like that it will handle like a dying whale beached on ice. However, consider the D'deridex also gets a battle cloak. For those who haven't used one on the BOPs before, unlike a regular cloaking device the battle cloak can be turned on even if you're in the middle of combat. It's a powerful tool for BOPs, it might be even more powerful for a big ship with the hull points and armor to survive those lucky parting torpedoes. There's no other heavy cruiser with a battle cloak to compare it to.
4.) Do not ignore the unique feature of the Romulan ships, the "singularity core". The plasma burst on the starter ship doesn't really thrill me purely because it takes so long to charge up, but that may change as you go up ship tiers. The D'deridex shipyard page also claims to have 5 different abilities that it can use in relation to its singularity core.
So.... Wait and see, is my suggestion. They may remove their Cryptic Fix to EPTx, and the rest of the ship has enough unknowns going for it that we really need to see it in action.
Did...did you just use DITL.org as a source?
Seriously?
Everything on that page that is in white letters in fanfiction and the guy who made the site even admitted it sometimes contradicts established facts.
I suggest you read the colour key (a button in the upper right corner) for that site.
Don't get him started on that. Next thing you know he'll be spouting off about how every ship should have stats based solely on their in-universe dimensions and mass, while blissfully refusing to actually provide anything resembling verifiable in-universe measurements.
Bortasque like enhancements will almost certainly come....
For Cryptic's Ha'apax Warbird. You know, the Cryptic designed ship that's even bigger than the D'Deridex, that turns even slower and has a built in disembarking pet. They'll package the Ha'apax up into a three pack with all the enhancements that you're asking to happen to the D'Deridex.
However, consider the D'deridex also gets a battle cloak. For those who haven't used one on the BOPs before, unlike a regular cloaking device the battle cloak can be turned on even if you're in the middle of combat. It's a powerful tool for BOPs, it might be even more powerful for a big ship with the hull points and armor to survive those lucky parting torpedoes. There's no other heavy cruiser with a battle cloak to compare it to.
They should have made D'Deridex a battleship - with tac layout and battlecloak (or whatever romulan equivalent). Big, slow turning with enough firpower to decloak and alpha strike someone and the hide again.
Cmdr.
lt.cmdr. lt. lt.,
ens.
But that's not what a D'Dreidex is.... it's a bruiser cruiser. In fact, it shouldn't be able to even fit cannons. It's suppose to be a beam boat.
You can't just put your favorite BO layout on a ship because you like it and be damned with the canon.
Because of inertial dampeners perhaps? They remove the inertia from the ships so every ship in this game should turn on a dime regardless of size.
Just...no.
Inertial dampeners keep things inside the ship from getting salsified by the extreme acceleration forces incurred during spaceflight (especially FTL travel). They have no effect whatsoever on the ship's flight characteristics.
so then what is our consensus opinion here ....is the DD a Fail or not?
I'll hold off on that until
1.) the revamp of the Emergency Power to X abilities is done
2.) I can actually test a ship with 40k hull, a battlecloak and a s**tload of goofy singularity abilites
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So if it turns slower but has DHCs it WOULD have more firepower than a Galaxy. As far as piccard.. well, you know, it was picard for crying out loud! The poster child for lame captainship in any combat situation.
Well that would skip the forum rage explosion part, which would make it less dramatic.
Maybe the fact he did carry hundreds of civilians did affect his available options. But what can I know ?
anyone who saw the episodes of the romulan d'deridex in TNG will realize the thing is alot more maneuverable then is given credit for. while isnt have the outright manuverability of something like a Prometheus class ship, it isnt far behind that. the only thing it really lacks is a strong warp speed, these things usually cant go above warp 8, even if they did go over the warp limit for extended travel time it would burn out the engines. so the original warbird the t4 ship would have no higher then a singularity core that can take the engines no faster then that unless equipped with borg engines. as for the retrofit, thats another matter entirely since stuff would be replaced. when in local space its maneuverable enough and quick despite the thoughts of it being heavy.
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The bigger question is, "Why can't it do any of the things we presently see it do in game?". It has no boff seating for VM, PSW, or any of the nasty things it does to you in-game.
But yeah, you're stuck with the D'Derpidex. You knew it was gonna be bad the moment they said "Firepower Comparable To a Galaxy".
no. Cryptic has a really bad track record on this kind of issue so piping up NOW is the right time to do it. Especially if they expect people to dump money on their expansion.
and WTH devs.....TAC and ENG based -_- is should be tac and sci based to match the NPC version...this will make me hold off on that legacy pack thats for sure....not until we get official stats..
yes the NPC version doesnt have ANY eng abilites....
http://www.stowiki.org/D%27deridex_Battleship
That is how i would see the player version....but maybe a commander tac with, lt eng lt com sci. and perhaps an ensign universal?
if I don't wont to read 3 pages of QQ I don't have to your not the forums poe poe
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They should have made D'Deridex a battleship - with tac layout and battlecloak (or whatever romulan equivalent). Big, slow turning with enough firpower to decloak and alpha strike someone and the hide again.
Cmdr.
lt.cmdr.
lt.
lt.,
ens.
But with that setup, it would not be true to the IP and had not "roughly the same" firepower as Galaxy and be "tougher" than Galaxy. Kind of dilemma here we have. They made the Galaxy so bad, that now when you use it as benchmark for similar ships, you will always end up with a crappy ship.
There is only one way out of this mess. Improve the Galaxy, improve the D'Deridex...
Did...did you just use DITL.org as a source?
Seriously?
Everything on that page that is in white letters in fanfiction and the guy who made the site even admitted it sometimes contradicts established facts.
I suggest you read the colour key (a button in the upper right corner) for that site.
"White Text : Anything in white is my own invention. Sometimes this is just extrapolation - I guesstimated that the Nebula class has eight phaser arrays compared to the Galaxy classes twelve, for example, because the Nebula class is slightly smaller so probably slightly less powerful. But here and there I have gone into invention meltdown, inventing entire histories for ships about which we know little. Now and again I have even made up new backgrounds to known events just to make them sound a bit more dramatic. So be warned, if it's in white you can take it or leave it!"
Actually, it would. There was episode with DD going out of cloak with alpha strike on Enterprise-D, crippling her with one pass. such setup would be perfectly true to the IP. Each time DD was fighting in the open it was loosing. Each time it was showing knifes in the enemy backs out of cloak - it was master of the day.
But it would not happen. Not in Escorts Online.
Judging by series appearence can be misleading. The only time you saw G-X on screen for example, it shoot through Negh'Var and destroyed it before it could do anything...?
The moral of the story is. STO DD is going to be bad, because G-R is bad..or rather because the dev responsible for it's stats stubborny refuses to admit it.
Maybe in this decade, yes. But maybe not.
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2.) The boff layout does look sub-optimal, especially given the so-far-unrecanted changes to Emergency Power skills. It used to be that a layout like this invited dual copies of EPTW1 and an engineering team, which was alright.
3.) As far as ship metrics.. That 2 is supposed to be a 5, pretty much guaranteed. Yes, with a turn rate like that it will handle like a dying whale beached on ice. However, consider the D'deridex also gets a battle cloak. For those who haven't used one on the BOPs before, unlike a regular cloaking device the battle cloak can be turned on even if you're in the middle of combat. It's a powerful tool for BOPs, it might be even more powerful for a big ship with the hull points and armor to survive those lucky parting torpedoes. There's no other heavy cruiser with a battle cloak to compare it to.
4.) Do not ignore the unique feature of the Romulan ships, the "singularity core". The plasma burst on the starter ship doesn't really thrill me purely because it takes so long to charge up, but that may change as you go up ship tiers. The D'deridex shipyard page also claims to have 5 different abilities that it can use in relation to its singularity core.
So.... Wait and see, is my suggestion. They may remove their Cryptic Fix to EPTx, and the rest of the ship has enough unknowns going for it that we really need to see it in action.
Don't get him started on that. Next thing you know he'll be spouting off about how every ship should have stats based solely on their in-universe dimensions and mass, while blissfully refusing to actually provide anything resembling verifiable in-universe measurements.
For Cryptic's Ha'apax Warbird. You know, the Cryptic designed ship that's even bigger than the D'Deridex, that turns even slower and has a built in disembarking pet. They'll package the Ha'apax up into a three pack with all the enhancements that you're asking to happen to the D'Deridex.
Wait, is that confirmed?
It says it on the shipyard page, so does every other romulan ship. So. Probably?
I think I said something about needing to wait and see how the unknowns shake out....
But that's not what a D'Dreidex is.... it's a bruiser cruiser. In fact, it shouldn't be able to even fit cannons. It's suppose to be a beam boat.
You can't just put your favorite BO layout on a ship because you like it and be damned with the canon.
Because of inertial dampeners perhaps? They remove the inertia from the ships so every ship in this game should turn on a dime regardless of size.
Just...no.
Inertial dampeners keep things inside the ship from getting salsified by the extreme acceleration forces incurred during spaceflight (especially FTL travel). They have no effect whatsoever on the ship's flight characteristics.
From what's on TRIBBLE, all Warbirds get a battlecloak and can equip DCs and DHCs.
[The retrofit of the T1 BoP gets an EBC, a fixed BO layout and a turnrate of 18.]
funny in the show I saw them use both
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I'll hold off on that until
1.) the revamp of the Emergency Power to X abilities is done
2.) I can actually test a ship with 40k hull, a battlecloak and a s**tload of goofy singularity abilites