... BALANCE.... all ships should be made to be possibly competitive... a use for sci and eng.. not just tactical characters in escorts or go home.... they MUST re-balance this entire game, make DPS pukers also GLASS cannons again, make an eng a tank (what a novel new unheard of concept) and make sci crowd control work and put there stats in the middle (some damage some hull mostly effects) or a "healer" (again novel new and unheard of.. at least by PWE and the cash grab team) if this can be done in well EVERY RPG going back to FF(1) then PWE with all the money they have made (and seem to want to keep making) sweeping changes to base stats and a TOTAL nerf on this escort/tac TRIBBLE must take place.
At about the 1:25 marks 2 Romulan warbirds firing with what looks like cannons.
Thank you sirs. I suppose it could be argued those were plasma torps, but they used the exact same disruptor VFX as Klingon BoPs (and I don't think the words "plasma torpedoes" were used in regards to Romulan armaments until DS9 and the Dominion War), so I'll happily concede the point.
Like the rest of us REAL Romulans (you know those of us loyal to the Romulan Republic) you should be looking at flying the Mogai retrofit or one of the other BoP type ships at T5. Not that hulking whale of a target. It's old. It's dated. It's junk from the RSE's navy that is barely space worthy in the glory of the new Republic. While we REAL Romulans spent our time farming and tagging Epohhs to build a new homeworld for the shattered remnants of our once glorious empire, we learned a lesson. That lesson is Turn Rates of 15 or higher, Battle Cloak or Regular Cloak, and DHCs mixed with high yield torps = success in space.
Give up on the D'Deridex. It's slated to be the Ticklebeam Cloakboat that the REAL Romulans make fun of as we pew pew pew right past it in our Mogais.
Lol I have noticed whatever these epohhs are -they hit you hard:)
The D'Deridex it not old -They have that Rom ship from the 2150s in the game thats OLD:)
Yep, basically. It's the Romulan version of a Galaxy that's a bit slower and with a bit more firepower.
As I recall, the Romulans began phasing out the D'Deridex in favor of the Mogai class to deal with the more powerful offensive oriented cruisers like the Sovereign and Neg'var.
The basic problem with the slow turning ships is that the Beam damage is just stupidly out of whack when compared with cannons, and has been since they decided that crew no longer generate power. Before, the Escorts had severe power problems and cruisers could compete with their 4 full power beams in every direction, now that's simply not the case. And Klingon cruisers can use cannons effectively as they are pretty maneuverable.
Anyone that thinks the 50 degrees that a cruiser can bring all 8 (more usually 6) beams to bear is the same as an escort able to bring everything to bear in a 45 degree arc has not actually played the game, and in any case the escort is always bringing double the dps into its sweet spot, and facing 3 beams and maybe a torp back from the cruisers. Its ridiculous. And since they have slowly made escorts have nearly as tough as cruisers (hi Raptors, Defiants and bug ships) whats the point anymore. Apart from style, which is good enough for me.
Of course any attempt to boost beams back to even competitive status would generate howls of rage from people that might actually die to a fed cruiser, so we are stuck with it till the eng and sci players actually clue the devs in.
Maybe the fact he did carry hundreds of civilians did affect his available options. But what can I know ?
Exactly, what kind of idiot allows or agrees to command a ship with hundreds of civilians knowing full well that sometimes conflict will be unavoidable.
How could you justify better loadout or even turn on D'D when G-R is so crappy ? At least Cryptic is consistent in creating crappy stats for iconic ships. These ships are mirrors more or less, but considering how fleet negh'var is so huge improvmenet over fleet galaxy-r, do not despair, the failaxy will still remain the crappiest ship in game.
Any buff on D'D should be reflected or G-R, otherwise is a slap to the face to everyone who bought one.
For what it's worth, the D'Deridex is my favorite Romulan ship too. The main reason I've looked forward to playing a Romulan is to fly one of these beauties at End Game. I would like to add my voice to this discussion. It's just sad that the iconic Galaxy class ships are so disappointing, and it sounds like they might be doing the same with the DD.
Cryptic, please do not make the D'Deridex a FailBoat.
I have not seen all the stats, I don't know what the singularity powers do, I've not tried it. I admit that. But in general, in this game a 5.5 Turn is terrible. It's no fun to fly.
An Eng-heavy BOff layout doesn't make sense either, given we've seen the NPC DDs use powers like VM, PSW, etc. The DD would feel better if it were a Sci-oriented cruiser.
Lastly, with the current Tribble EPtX changes. All those Ens Eng BOff powers are going to be so very, very useless.
Please be kind and offer us a better ship.
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The good news is that a dev said that the stats of all level 20+ ships are mostly placeholders, as the current beta phase is about levels 1-20. There is still hope for the D'deridex and actual science ships and carriers.....
The good news is that a dev said that the stats of all level 20+ ships are mostly placeholders, as the current beta phase is about levels 1-20. There is still hope for the D'deridex and actual science ships and carriers.....
Oh good. With that in mind I'd guess it's possible they copy/pasted the Gal-R's stats onto the D'd since those two ships are contemporaries.
Ideally an Ambassador layout with the Lt. Cmdr Sci slot and more Tac consoles would be best, but really, just changing that Ensign Eng to literally anything else would be fine.
Oh good. With that in mind I'd guess it's possible they copy/pasted the Gal-R's stats onto the D'd since those two ships are contemporaries.
Ideally an Ambassador layout with the Lt. Cmdr Sci slot and more Tac consoles would be best, but really, just changing that Ensign Eng to literally anything else would be fine.
Considering the Dev who statted the ship said flat out the turn rate on the T4 D'Deridex is supposed to be 5.5 (as opposed to the 5 that's currently displaying), I don't think it's a placeholder.
Considering the Dev who statted the ship said flat out the turn rate on the T4 D'Deridex is supposed to be 5.5 (as opposed to the 5 that's currently displaying), I don't think it's a placeholder.
I don't see how that precludes tweaking the BOff layout? You just said, even the turn rate is presently wrong (slightly too slow) and needs to be changed. Why not the BOff slots, too?
I don't see how that precludes tweaking the BOff layout? You just said, even the turn rate is presently wrong (slightly too slow) and needs to be changed. Why not the BOff slots, too?
Take a look at the responses Archon has put up in the LoR ship feedback thread. If the seating and statting was as wrong as you want it to be, would he be working as hard to defend it?
Besides, ships displaying incorrect turn rates isn't exactly new. Ships displaying wildly incorrect BOFF seating, not so much.
They cannot raise the turn rate of DD and still claim they are following the IP, there is simply no room since they gimp the Galaxy with 6 turn rate and it is used as benchmark for DD performance.
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Granted it's been awhile since I've seen every episode showing a D'Deridex, but I only recall seeing beams and torpedoes. No cannons.
If I'm wrong by all means please correct me with an ep/vid link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEljSCupSI0
At about the 1:25 marks 2 Romulan warbirds firing with what looks like cannons.
With regards to cannons I recall in episodes like TNG:"The Defector" they've only been seen using what amounts to single cannons, not duals.
*EDIT
YUP, just single cannons. No duals in sight*
Thank you sirs. I suppose it could be argued those were plasma torps, but they used the exact same disruptor VFX as Klingon BoPs (and I don't think the words "plasma torpedoes" were used in regards to Romulan armaments until DS9 and the Dominion War), so I'll happily concede the point.
Cmdr eng, LTC, eng, LT eng, Ens Tac, Sci LT.
Turn rate of 5.
Just who thought this would be a good idea.
This fellow.
Lol I have noticed whatever these epohhs are -they hit you hard:)
The D'Deridex it not old -They have that Rom ship from the 2150s in the game thats OLD:)
How can it be a "bruiser cruiser" if you don't give it cannons, when cannons have both higher DPS and better energy efficiency.
The D'Deridex can totally use DHCs!
With a turn rate of 5.
It'll be fun. Trust me.
In May, we totally need to do a D'Deridex and Galaxy-X only PvP fight in which both sides are only using cannons.
(UFP) Ragnar
A bruiser cruiser means it can take a beating. Not that it can give one.
Yep, basically. It's the Romulan version of a Galaxy that's a bit slower and with a bit more firepower.
As I recall, the Romulans began phasing out the D'Deridex in favor of the Mogai class to deal with the more powerful offensive oriented cruisers like the Sovereign and Neg'var.
Anyone that thinks the 50 degrees that a cruiser can bring all 8 (more usually 6) beams to bear is the same as an escort able to bring everything to bear in a 45 degree arc has not actually played the game, and in any case the escort is always bringing double the dps into its sweet spot, and facing 3 beams and maybe a torp back from the cruisers. Its ridiculous. And since they have slowly made escorts have nearly as tough as cruisers (hi Raptors, Defiants and bug ships) whats the point anymore. Apart from style, which is good enough for me.
Of course any attempt to boost beams back to even competitive status would generate howls of rage from people that might actually die to a fed cruiser, so we are stuck with it till the eng and sci players actually clue the devs in.
wait, what? Crew did what?
Exactly, what kind of idiot allows or agrees to command a ship with hundreds of civilians knowing full well that sometimes conflict will be unavoidable.
Lt. Tac
Cmdr. Eng
Ens. Eng
Lt. Sci
LtCmdr. Universal.
Or the Bofflayout of the Chel Gret but with Eng and Sci switched. I hope the will put a more Offensive Bofflayout in this Ship.
My dream layout is:
Commander Universal
Lt. Commander Universal
Lt. Universal
Lt. Universal
Ensign Universal
Your dreams are far too mundane.
Now if only pure tanking weren't a total waste of everybody's time...
agreed 100%
Lt Cmdr Tac
Cmdr Eng
Lt Eng ( or universal)
Lt Sci
Ens Sci
4 eng
2 sci
3 tac (4 for fleet version)
Cryptic, please do not make the D'Deridex a FailBoat.
I have not seen all the stats, I don't know what the singularity powers do, I've not tried it. I admit that. But in general, in this game a 5.5 Turn is terrible. It's no fun to fly.
An Eng-heavy BOff layout doesn't make sense either, given we've seen the NPC DDs use powers like VM, PSW, etc. The DD would feel better if it were a Sci-oriented cruiser.
Lastly, with the current Tribble EPtX changes. All those Ens Eng BOff powers are going to be so very, very useless.
Please be kind and offer us a better ship.
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Oh good. With that in mind I'd guess it's possible they copy/pasted the Gal-R's stats onto the D'd since those two ships are contemporaries.
Ideally an Ambassador layout with the Lt. Cmdr Sci slot and more Tac consoles would be best, but really, just changing that Ensign Eng to literally anything else would be fine.
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Considering the Dev who statted the ship said flat out the turn rate on the T4 D'Deridex is supposed to be 5.5 (as opposed to the 5 that's currently displaying), I don't think it's a placeholder.
I don't see how that precludes tweaking the BOff layout? You just said, even the turn rate is presently wrong (slightly too slow) and needs to be changed. Why not the BOff slots, too?
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Take a look at the responses Archon has put up in the LoR ship feedback thread. If the seating and statting was as wrong as you want it to be, would he be working as hard to defend it?
Besides, ships displaying incorrect turn rates isn't exactly new. Ships displaying wildly incorrect BOFF seating, not so much.