see this thing with me im not upset at not having a (((Starbase))) or not having a (((Doff System))) as fed or kdf did not have thes at start but they did have there own Fleet's they did have there own ESD/First City but I am mainly upset as to not having our own fleets that are not tied to fed or kdf
I think many people are in that camp sadly enough.
Oddly I keep thinking about what Cryptic said about this being a model as to how they roll out additional factions in the future! So every new faction is a a redheaded TRIBBLE child of team blue or red then maybe (after some secret number of sales or player metrics) the faction would be worthy of standing on its own with the player only to have to grind out the same stuff we could have been grinding out from the beginning? It does not make sense to me.....
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Oh please, you're the worst of the Cryptic apologists on this forum - it's thanks to people like you that Cryptic (falsely) thinks it can inflict things like Season 7 on the player-base without consequence.
If you actually gave a TRIBBLE about Trek, this game or its players you wouldn't be posting pro-Cryptic drivel like this - you'd either keep your ill-considered thoughts to yourself or at least acknowledge the fact that the Romulans as a race in Star Trek deserve more than being grafted on to the Feds/KDF.
Since when was it your call to virtually stifle someone who is of the opinion that Cryptic isn't doing anything wrong with the Romulan situation? Who are you to tell other people to keep their opinions about the good that is going to happen in May? Also, the Romulans are getting their due respect, and just because they're ALLYING themselves with either the Federation or the Klingon Empire, it doesn't mean that they'll no longer be Romulan.
As a reader of the Star Trek line of novels, the authors of the past four years had the luxury of responding to the Hobus Supernova event from Abram's 2009 film. And several more years telling their version of the weeks, months or years that followed Shinzon's coup seen in the Nemesis film.
In contrast, our game is set 30 years post Nemesis and 22 years post Hobus. So we didn't get the benefit of experiencing the various instability of the Romulan Empire that far back. Only read about it through one or another author's perspective. Or through the Path to 2409, which is STO's original approach as to how matters progressed. Fun reading to be sure.
But not near as much fun as being a participant. This is our (generally speaking) chance.
So I'm somewhat befuddled by the ongoing perspective of some player's that STO's story doesn't begin until endgame levels. Further compounded by the assumption that each and every new content or mechanic brought to the game must also be for the endgame experience. This happens around the forum a lot. I know many of us have been here from game launch. But just as many - if not more - haven't. Player's who don't jump in at endgame and need a solid experience to build from as well.
It sounds like the majority of the LoR expansion is story content that we would have seen in 2010. Had the development time been available to include it at that point. So it's presented as prequel content from the perspective of one, two, or three year STO veteran's. But from a new player perspective - who join an MMO community every week - it permits immersion into a new faction story. At the beginning.
So now the game will be caught up to certain degree. When the game picks up again with Season Updates, perhaps all Romulan, KDF and Fed player's can move forward together? IMO, that sounds fun and worth the wait.
Regarding starship access, recall that the C-store does offer faction specific items. KDF only. Federation only. So a Romulan could buy a T5 B'rel if they want to. Also recall that a Starship Costume tab sits empty at the moment. My bet says that a D7/K't'inga starship comes free from leveling. As well as getting the Fleet version through a KDF fleet. But that Romulan D7 costume with the classic bird on the bottom will come from the C-store as Romulan character's only.
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What you're complaining about has nothing to do with LoR. It's a problem inherent in pretty much all themepark MMOs. I wouldn't even call it a problem. It's just the nature of the beast.
Not at all. As a KDF I get to do KDF-themed Doff missions, PvP vs the KDF's enemy in this 'war' and begrudgingly fight alongside them for the common good. I get to see my KDF's fleet grow and evolve and I get to wear KDF Honor Guard in ground missions.
As a Romulan allied with the Klingons I get to... do KDF-themed Doff missions, PvP vs my own people in a 'war' that isn't mine, I get to support a KDF fleet instead of one of my own and I get to be a Klingon Honor Guard.
Since when was it your call to virtually stifle someone who is of the opinion that Cryptic isn't doing anything wrong with the Romulan situation? Who are you to tell other people to keep their opinions about the good that is going to happen in May? Also, the Romulans are getting their due respect, and just because they're ALLYING themselves with either the Federation or the Klingon Empire, it doesn't mean that they'll no longer be Romulan.
I don't speak for anyone except myself but I get very tired of people supporting poor design and implementation just because they're glad to get anything - the money that people spend on Zen and C-Store purchases pays the developers salaries and honestly, I think the players all the players deserve better than this.
You guys are reading too much into this, as usual. :rolleyes:
The Romulan Republic is a faction. They get their own storyline missions, ships, etc. All they don't have are specific endgame content (which the others don't have either) and specific Romulan fleets (which may be coming in the future).
As somebody else has already noted, Romulus wasn't built in a day.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
You guys are reading too much into this, as usual. :rolleyes:
The Romulan Republic is a faction. They get their own storyline missions, ships, etc. All they don't have are specific endgame content (which the others don't have either) and specific Romulan fleets (which may be coming in the future).
As somebody else has already noted, Romulus wasn't built in a day.
If Romulans dont start together now , they will never be united in a independent faction with fleets and starbases. People will make their Romulans join exisiting fed and kdf fleets and will not want to leave them.
Can Fed allied Roms invite KDF Roms to Fed starbases and vice versa?
Is there an alliance respec?
Does my Fed with maxed Romulan rep unlock Remans for play?
Overall, not far from what I expected. I look forward to Cardassians in the future.
I wonder if faction respecs or species respecs are also being looked into.
Some good questions, I would like to know the answers too as well. :cool:
From my perspective:
Honestly, this is pretty much what I expected from Cryptic.
Since beta they have let themselves down, by constantly over hyping stuff and allowing the playerbase to believe something that they had no intention of delivering.
Some say that they take a perverse thrill out of trolling us the way they do every single time. I have not seen anything that would dissuade me from agreeing with that statement in 3 years so far.
Will I make a Romulan, yes. Will I be happy that I don't have to start another fleetbase and can use my fleets current T5 base, and all it has to offer, yes.
But.....
Am I satisfied with how they have once again given half measures on something they lead us to believe was happening, no, not by a long shot.
All I know is there are a lot of people not very happy right now.....
What the hell is this bullsh*t, I thought the Romulans where going to be a new faction not this TRIBBLE. No fleets or starbases really? No three-way pvp options at all. Well sadly Ill have to put my disrupter pistol back on the shelf and go back to Neverwinter.
What the hell is this bullsh*t, I thought the Romulans where going to be a new faction not this TRIBBLE. No fleets or starbases really? No three-way pvp options at all. Well sadly Ill have to put my disrupter pistol back on the shelf and go back to Neverwinter.
Yeah that'll show 'em. "I don't like what you did in this game so I'm going to leave and go play the other game you made!"
Yeah that'll show 'em. "I don't like what you did in this game so I'm going to leave and go play the other game you made!"
lol...
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
Soo, what i'm getting from this is that the Romulan faction will be a full Faction except when it comes to:
- PvP, which I never cared about
- Starbases, on which I'm burned out already
- PvE queues, which is good for waiting times
In short: A faction without all the annoying baggage.
Bring it on then!
Greens joining Red/Blue is pretty much a non-issue, since we have had ceasefires ever since Gamma Orionis, which is approximately the point in the timeline where Romulan players will have caught up to current events.
So, yeah, there is a war, but nobody is fighting anymore. No civil war necessary.
I have to agree with you 66.6%. I have never played any pvp, but I'm still into maxing out the starbases my toons are on...and I do play pve most of the time. I'm a Trek fan, not a gamer, so I dump way more money into this game that my wife likes, let me tell ya.
If he goes off to play Neverwinter, a game that Cryptic developed, and spends any money there they still get his money.
Yeah they will get money from me for Neverwinter if I stop liking game then they wont. What they wont get is a player playing STO and spending money that way. Ill check out the new stuff in may , doubt Ill stick around after that.
You guys really don't see how absurd that is though? If you're that upset with the changes that you're going to leave I can't see why you would then turn around and go spend money on another one of their products. For example Funcom messed up Age of Conan so badly for me that I left and will never, ever touch another one of their products again. Same for EA. I'll never let EA have any of my money no matter what game they make. I guess it isn't that big of a deal then if you're going to turn around and spend money on the same company.
You guys really don't see how absurd that is though? If you're that upset with the changes that you're going to leave I can't see why you would then turn around and go spend money on another one of their products. For example Funcom messed up Age of Conan so badly for me that I left and will never, ever touch another one of their products again. Same for EA. I'll never let EA have any of my money no matter what game they make. I guess it isn't that big of a deal then if you're going to turn around and spend money on the same company.
There are people who are frustrated by champions online lack of new content but still come over to STO and play this game. All it does is save me more money, if the Romulans get the things I wanted them to have then STO will get more money and playtime from me.
So'Hot's kinda scary looking, but then T'TRIBBLE looks like an idiot so I guess it's still an improvement.
Now, Handsome Phaser Guy with just a mousemat, that I could live with.
I'll bet I know where he's going to be holding that mousemat, after ringing your bell.
(??before, ringing your bell??)
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There are people who are frustrated by champions online lack of new content but still come over to STO and play this game. All it does is save me more money, if the Romulans get the things I wanted them to have then STO will get more money and playtime from me.
Well I'm certainly not going to try and stop you, it's just that it seems so strange to me. In any case, carry on.
Romulans will be asked to choose sides in the war by the time they are level 10.
So when we say that the alliance has an impact on end game, it is in reference to all of the level 40+ missions and end game content that exist for all factions.
We are happy that many players appreciate our decision to have the Romulans join existing FED or KDF fleets at launch. We realize that not everyone understands or agrees with why we did this, but it is the best decision for Star Trek Online.
Dstahl: This is an important question that needs a detailed answer.
The Romulan Republic was created from the ground upas a complete new faction. They have their own backstory, their own exclusive missions and episode series, exclusive costumes, faction-exclusive social hub, unique playable species, a full ship progression line from level 1 to 50, unique HUD UI, and more. What they don?t have are their own Starbases. There are many reasons why we?ve made this decision and here?s one of them.
Dstahl: As has been our plan since we introduced the Featured series, these episodes will remain available to any faction, and thus are available to the new Romulan Republic faction.
Play as a Romulan Play as a Romulan or Reman and immerse yourself in new story-driven missions written exclusively from the Romulan Republic's point of view.
Start as any Faction
Create your first character as a member of the Federation, Klingon Empire, or Romulan Republic and level your captain from 1 to 50.
Okay, I see some major conundrums with what was said.
You said two different things.
*shakes my head*
Something is not right here.
According to Dstahl's original statement, the Romulan Faction was created 'from the ground up'. If I interpret his statement as it stands, I would think Dstahl is talking about an entirely new Romulan faction. After he made the first statement, Dstahl mentioned that 'everything except for certain levels' will be Romulan exclusive.
Once we hit level ten of the Romulan hierarchy, we are forced to ally ourselves with the Feds or Klingons.
If the player is forced to choose an ally at level ten, the individual's avatar will no longer belong to a Romulan faction. Instead of belonging to an exclusive Romulan faction, the player's avatar will become a Federation-Romulan or a KDF-Romulan.
Something is not right with these statements.
Are we going to get a full or partial Romulan faction?
Does the Romulan faction end at level ten; thus, the ally choice you make determines the avatar's faction?
You probably don't know this, but everyone you see with "empire veteran" or "Career officer" or the blue title has paid quite a bit.
So its time for you to rethink things.
I'm sorry "empire veteran" but you have chosen to pay for what is in the game now. I was talking about the Romulan expansion and for that you've paid nothing and you won't have to.
There are definitely some things about this setup that confuse me.
1- Why did the Romulans have to pick a side? Why not make the Romulans a faction that can team freely with either side and queue with either side? Instead they have to permanently ally with one or the other.
2- In recent interviews the current PvP queues were going to be made faction-lesd to let PvPers join in mixed play freely to make queues move faster. Has this been pulled? If not, again the Romulans could have avoided allying themselves.
3- If they ever make territory control they could just add something on the backend to Romulan characters that locks them out of Territory PvP flipping. You help the Feds then you have to wait 24 hours before you can re-enter T-PvP as the KDF helper.
4- Does this mean no Fleet Romulan Disruptors? I know many fleets were going to merge with allies for the new Romulan faction since now they could plan and collect resources from the ground up for a Starbase...
5- What makes them a "Faction"? Technically all the caitians and Andorians need are a couple dozen race-specific missions and a few more ships in order to be a Faction by these standards. I think that is a big reason why so many are complaining. At the end of the day you belong to whatever faction that controls where you get and fix your ships. Be it ESD or Qo'nos. Especially given the build-up to the reveal and the apparently unintentional mis-representation of the Romulan "Faction" on the LoR page. Saying 1-50 as a member of the RR when in fact its 1-10 and you then pick a side and can keep playing RR missions but now you can get an Excelsior...
6- I almost feel like we need another Ask Cryptic just for follow up questions to that single answer.
I get why they did it in the scope of the game as it is today. I guess many were like me and expected the Romulans to change the game. To me both sides being accessible by a single Romulan makes sense. Neither faction would want to freely give the Romulans ships and their tech but both would want to let the Romulans help them or vice versa. Just like they currently do on New Romulus. I also wish Remans were unlocked for LTS since we dont get a Liberated Borg Romulan. This being another sign to me that even Cryptic doesnt consider these Romulans a "true or "complete" faction.
It feels like they just dont have a large enough playerbase to sustain 3 factions. That is probably the driving force behind this since in theory all thats misding to make them their own faction are fleets and starbases.
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I think many people are in that camp sadly enough.
Oddly I keep thinking about what Cryptic said about this being a model as to how they roll out additional factions in the future! So every new faction is a a redheaded TRIBBLE child of team blue or red then maybe (after some secret number of sales or player metrics) the faction would be worthy of standing on its own with the player only to have to grind out the same stuff we could have been grinding out from the beginning? It does not make sense to me.....
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In contrast, our game is set 30 years post Nemesis and 22 years post Hobus. So we didn't get the benefit of experiencing the various instability of the Romulan Empire that far back. Only read about it through one or another author's perspective. Or through the Path to 2409, which is STO's original approach as to how matters progressed. Fun reading to be sure.
But not near as much fun as being a participant. This is our (generally speaking) chance.
So I'm somewhat befuddled by the ongoing perspective of some player's that STO's story doesn't begin until endgame levels. Further compounded by the assumption that each and every new content or mechanic brought to the game must also be for the endgame experience. This happens around the forum a lot. I know many of us have been here from game launch. But just as many - if not more - haven't. Player's who don't jump in at endgame and need a solid experience to build from as well.
It sounds like the majority of the LoR expansion is story content that we would have seen in 2010. Had the development time been available to include it at that point. So it's presented as prequel content from the perspective of one, two, or three year STO veteran's. But from a new player perspective - who join an MMO community every week - it permits immersion into a new faction story. At the beginning.
So now the game will be caught up to certain degree. When the game picks up again with Season Updates, perhaps all Romulan, KDF and Fed player's can move forward together? IMO, that sounds fun and worth the wait.
Regarding starship access, recall that the C-store does offer faction specific items. KDF only. Federation only. So a Romulan could buy a T5 B'rel if they want to. Also recall that a Starship Costume tab sits empty at the moment. My bet says that a D7/K't'inga starship comes free from leveling. As well as getting the Fleet version through a KDF fleet. But that Romulan D7 costume with the classic bird on the bottom will come from the C-store as Romulan character's only.
Not at all. As a KDF I get to do KDF-themed Doff missions, PvP vs the KDF's enemy in this 'war' and begrudgingly fight alongside them for the common good. I get to see my KDF's fleet grow and evolve and I get to wear KDF Honor Guard in ground missions.
As a Romulan allied with the Klingons I get to... do KDF-themed Doff missions, PvP vs my own people in a 'war' that isn't mine, I get to support a KDF fleet instead of one of my own and I get to be a Klingon Honor Guard.
Does that sound Romulan to you?
I don't speak for anyone except myself but I get very tired of people supporting poor design and implementation just because they're glad to get anything - the money that people spend on Zen and C-Store purchases pays the developers salaries and honestly, I think the players all the players deserve better than this.
And heck, I don't even like Romulans.
TRIBBLE. i owe someone some money.
The Romulan Republic is a faction. They get their own storyline missions, ships, etc. All they don't have are specific endgame content (which the others don't have either) and specific Romulan fleets (which may be coming in the future).
As somebody else has already noted, Romulus wasn't built in a day.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
If Romulans dont start together now , they will never be united in a independent faction with fleets and starbases. People will make their Romulans join exisiting fed and kdf fleets and will not want to leave them.
if the answer is anything other than "three," there is no romulan faction.
This is how our fleet reacted when we read the Ask Cryptic: Legacy of Romulus
Can Fed allied Roms invite KDF Roms to Fed starbases and vice versa?
Is there an alliance respec?
Does my Fed with maxed Romulan rep unlock Remans for play?
Overall, not far from what I expected. I look forward to Cardassians in the future.
I wonder if faction respecs or species respecs are also being looked into.
I think you can unlock Remans with maxed Romulan reputation, unless its changed.
Some good questions, I would like to know the answers too as well. :cool:
From my perspective:
Honestly, this is pretty much what I expected from Cryptic.
Since beta they have let themselves down, by constantly over hyping stuff and allowing the playerbase to believe something that they had no intention of delivering.
Some say that they take a perverse thrill out of trolling us the way they do every single time. I have not seen anything that would dissuade me from agreeing with that statement in 3 years so far.
Will I make a Romulan, yes. Will I be happy that I don't have to start another fleetbase and can use my fleets current T5 base, and all it has to offer, yes.
But.....
Am I satisfied with how they have once again given half measures on something they lead us to believe was happening, no, not by a long shot.
All I know is there are a lot of people not very happy right now.....
Yeah that'll show 'em. "I don't like what you did in this game so I'm going to leave and go play the other game you made!"
lol...
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they speak with there money in this case and not there eyes oooooooooooooooo look at the new shiny
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I have to agree with you 66.6%. I have never played any pvp, but I'm still into maxing out the starbases my toons are on...and I do play pve most of the time. I'm a Trek fan, not a gamer, so I dump way more money into this game that my wife likes, let me tell ya.
If he goes off to play Neverwinter, a game that Cryptic developed, and spends any money there they still get his money.
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but for that game not sto....
system Lord Baal is dead
Yeah they will get money from me for Neverwinter if I stop liking game then they wont. What they wont get is a player playing STO and spending money that way. Ill check out the new stuff in may , doubt Ill stick around after that.
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There are people who are frustrated by champions online lack of new content but still come over to STO and play this game. All it does is save me more money, if the Romulans get the things I wanted them to have then STO will get more money and playtime from me.
I'll bet I know where he's going to be holding that mousemat, after ringing your bell.
(??before, ringing your bell??)
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Well I'm certainly not going to try and stop you, it's just that it seems so strange to me. In any case, carry on.
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Reference Link: Ask Cryptic: Legacy of Romulus
Reference Link: Legacy of Romulus Site
Okay, I see some major conundrums with what was said.
You said two different things.
*shakes my head*
Something is not right here.
According to Dstahl's original statement, the Romulan Faction was created 'from the ground up'. If I interpret his statement as it stands, I would think Dstahl is talking about an entirely new Romulan faction. After he made the first statement, Dstahl mentioned that 'everything except for certain levels' will be Romulan exclusive.
Once we hit level ten of the Romulan hierarchy, we are forced to ally ourselves with the Feds or Klingons.
If the player is forced to choose an ally at level ten, the individual's avatar will no longer belong to a Romulan faction. Instead of belonging to an exclusive Romulan faction, the player's avatar will become a Federation-Romulan or a KDF-Romulan.
Something is not right with these statements.
Are we going to get a full or partial Romulan faction?
Does the Romulan faction end at level ten; thus, the ally choice you make determines the avatar's faction?
I'm sorry "empire veteran" but you have chosen to pay for what is in the game now. I was talking about the Romulan expansion and for that you've paid nothing and you won't have to.
1- Why did the Romulans have to pick a side? Why not make the Romulans a faction that can team freely with either side and queue with either side? Instead they have to permanently ally with one or the other.
2- In recent interviews the current PvP queues were going to be made faction-lesd to let PvPers join in mixed play freely to make queues move faster. Has this been pulled? If not, again the Romulans could have avoided allying themselves.
3- If they ever make territory control they could just add something on the backend to Romulan characters that locks them out of Territory PvP flipping. You help the Feds then you have to wait 24 hours before you can re-enter T-PvP as the KDF helper.
4- Does this mean no Fleet Romulan Disruptors? I know many fleets were going to merge with allies for the new Romulan faction since now they could plan and collect resources from the ground up for a Starbase...
5- What makes them a "Faction"? Technically all the caitians and Andorians need are a couple dozen race-specific missions and a few more ships in order to be a Faction by these standards. I think that is a big reason why so many are complaining. At the end of the day you belong to whatever faction that controls where you get and fix your ships. Be it ESD or Qo'nos. Especially given the build-up to the reveal and the apparently unintentional mis-representation of the Romulan "Faction" on the LoR page. Saying 1-50 as a member of the RR when in fact its 1-10 and you then pick a side and can keep playing RR missions but now you can get an Excelsior...
6- I almost feel like we need another Ask Cryptic just for follow up questions to that single answer.
I get why they did it in the scope of the game as it is today. I guess many were like me and expected the Romulans to change the game. To me both sides being accessible by a single Romulan makes sense. Neither faction would want to freely give the Romulans ships and their tech but both would want to let the Romulans help them or vice versa. Just like they currently do on New Romulus. I also wish Remans were unlocked for LTS since we dont get a Liberated Borg Romulan. This being another sign to me that even Cryptic doesnt consider these Romulans a "true or "complete" faction.
It feels like they just dont have a large enough playerbase to sustain 3 factions. That is probably the driving force behind this since in theory all thats misding to make them their own faction are fleets and starbases.
It ain't easy being green.
It's just lockboxes and events now.
There isn't actually a shred of decent content.
Not even a new C-store costume unlock or new power frameworks!
So I put that game on hold until they actually pull their thumb out and do some genuine content updates.
As for Neverwinter, not going to play that.
Add to that an STO faction update I'm not even going to play and well, doesn't look good for Cryptic right now......
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